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Scientist at CERN announced today the existance of the Higgs Boson (//http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/14/higgs-boson-discovery-confirmed-cern-large-hadron-collider_n_2874975.html?).  They state there is still testing to be done to verify what kind of Higgs, but the God Particle is real.

Interesting. Now lets see what the next step is :)

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(Just kidding)

Thankfully they do not called alah particle, imagine what the theocrats would not do, if they started to understand physics?

I'm not (kidding)

Quote from: "Alaric I"Scientist at CERN announced today the existance of the Higgs Boson (//http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/14/higgs-boson-discovery-confirmed-cern-large-hadron-collider_n_2874975.html?).  They state there is still testing to be done to verify what kind of Higgs, but the God Particle is real.

STOP CALLING IT THE "GOD PARTICLE" PLEASE, IT FEEDS THE FUNDIES!

I fucking hate that language, just like the "God Gene". FUCK that shit seriously, we have enough on our hands with superstition in general, when scientists use this language it makes my dick itch!

Quote from: "Mathias"Thankfully they do not called alah particle, imagine what the theocrats would not do, if they started to understand physics?

I'm not (kidding)

EXACTLY, since there is no such thing as a god just call it a particle.

+1 about calling it the God Particle. The article I read this morning about this story was the first one I think I've ever read where they made no mention of that nickname. I was pleasantly surprised...then I log on to ATHEISTforums.com and bam! God Particle.
 :Hangman:

ETA: This article via reddit: http://www.interactions.org/cms/?pid=1032641 (http://www.interactions.org/cms/?pid=1032641). Makes sense since it's a particle physics publication, but still.

P1: Particles exist.
P2: The God Particle exists.
Therefore god exists.

Hallelujah! Praise Jeeeeeeezuzzzz!!!! :rolleyes:

Lets get back to calling it the Higgs Boson then.

Quote from: "Atheon"P1: Particles exist.
P2: The God Particle exists.
Therefore god exists.

Hallelujah! Praise Jeeeeeeezuzzzz!!!! :rolleyes:

STOP SERIOUSLY! I know you are kidding, but we really don't need to be feeding delusional people. I am not kidding, when laypeople hear "God particle" far to many people SERIOUSLY  go "SEE SEE SEE SEE".

No different than when idiots watch the X Files and think it is a real documentary on government files.

Would you let a nut out of the funny farm who thought they were Napoleon and buy them a horse? Please don't feed them. :P

The god particle ? This sounds very ridiculous. :-?

The funny thing about it being called the "God Particle" is that it's existance is just one more thing that makes creator gods unnecessary.

So what made the God particle  :rollin:

Quote from: "mendacium remedium"So what made the God particle  :rollin:

Particle!

Wait, did I get that backwards...

I still prefer its original name - the goddamned particle.

Quote from: "Colanth"I still prefer its original name - the goddamned particle.

Right. So when a fundie spouts uneducated bullshit about the god particle, you can just tell them that the full name is goddamned particle.

Or use it in the original context: "I wish you'd shut up about the goddamned particle."

Quote from: "BarkAtTheMoon"The funny thing about it being called the "God Particle" is that it's existance is just one more thing that makes creator gods unnecessary.

This This This ^^^

I also think the term is a crap, but there is a bright side:

Whenever a "fundie" proudly mentions the "god particle" I explain why and they do silly face, priceless!!

This name should be dropped .

This is why I love science. You can predict something so potentially groundbreaking yet with no way to confirm it beyond mathematics and logic, then 50 years later your prediction comes to fruition. Let's see a theologian do that!

More importantly though: when can we begin defying gravity with it?

Quote from: "Rasputin"This is why I love science. You can predict something so potentially groundbreaking yet with no way to confirm it beyond mathematics and logic, then 50 years later your prediction comes to fruition. Let's see a theologian do that!

Two thousand years later and they're still watching the skies for a dead Jewish carpenter.

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Quote from: "Rasputin"This is why I love science. You can predict something so potentially groundbreaking yet with no way to confirm it beyond mathematics and logic, then 50 years later your prediction comes to fruition. Let's see a theologian do that!

Two thousand years later and they're still watching the skies for a dead Jewish carpenter.

And those who think they will be caught up with the body and all by the cosmic jew ???

:-|

The Man Who Coined 'The God Particle' Explains: It Was A Joke! (//http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/03/15/174440162/the-man-who-coined-the-god-particle-explains-it-was-a-joke)

I heard this on NPR today. The guys who wrote the book "The God Particle" are both atheists - they suggested the name to the publisher as a joke. The publisher liked it.

I suggest we simply take this as another opportunity to laugh at those who don't understand the first thing about science, yet wish to claim that science proves god.

Why don't they just stick to the "Higgs boson" without giving theists more ammunition?

"Scientists Prove Existence of God
particle. At a recent conference, CERN researchers announced that their
analysis of data from the Large Hardon Collider confirms the existence of the Biggs
Bosom..."

Romans 1:19, 20

I'm terribly sorry,but i couldn't link, and I've misplaced my bible since the move 5 months ago. Here is why some Christians think this is a huge problem for atheists!

Quote from: "hrdlr110"Romans 1:19, 20

I'm terribly sorry,but i couldn't link, and I've misplaced my bible since the move 5 months ago. Here is why some Christians think this is a huge problem for atheists!

By "this", I mean the Higgs boson particle.

Here it is:

Quote19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world,[a] in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

I don't see how this would be a problem to atheists because the Higgs Boson is

A) not plain to anyone, it took as almost 2000 years of science to come up with it and another 50 years and one of the biggest machines ever built to prove it existed
B) not clearly perceived, because see above
C) not shown to us by god, because see above

It's just yet another case of people trying desperately to use the bible to say that they knew all along, which of course they didn't.

Thanks for digging that out for me plu, and yeah........clearly perceived???
Of course now it was all in god's plan - and thanks to science and CERN, it can be clearly perceived. I'm beginning to think it is impossible to penetrate the fortress of stupid that christians use to shield their faith.

Quote from: "hrdlr110"I'm beginning to think it is impossible to penetrate the fortress of stupid that christians use to shield their faith.

Faith is pride. So that's what needs to be broken before you can get to the actual person.

PeopleNeedToStopStopFuckingCallingItTheGodParticleGoddamit, You'reJustEncouragingChristiansToBeIdiots.

Space. :)

I haven't heard theists talking about the "god particle" as "ammunition" to religious proselytism, but in compensation I'm already pissed off when they speak of evolution as "just a theory"!

I don't bother acknowledging those who will misconstrue science to suit their own needs. I have no problem with honest religious belief but I have zero toleration for people claiming scientific evidence for the existence of their god. But I digress, I'm more interested in the follow up on this amazing discovery and would like to quote my friend The Rev.

Quote from: "url=http://thinkinguniverse.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=219&p=2968#p2968]trdsf[/url] "]I remember watching the announcement ceremony last summer; I tuned in just as they introduced Peter Higgs himself. That was pure magic -- it brought to mind a story about Einstein talking with some of the experimental physicists at Princeton in the early 1950s, being told that they were just then confirming a few of the weirder predictions of general relativity. He was partly amused and partly amazed, repeating over and over "Ist das wirklich so?' (Loosely, "Seriously?" or "Really?"), not having really expected some of them to be testable within his lifetime. Failing to include Higgs in this year's Physics Nobel would be a serious oversight. Probably going to be Higgs, and the heads of the two CERN teams, if I had to make a guess.

I wonder if this discovery will someday lead to a way to 'streamline' matter.  That is, partially or fully negate the intrinsic mass of an object by limiting or eliminating its interaction with the Higgs field.

Space travel would become way more convenient. Think of it...

Combine this with an eventual understanding of quantum gravity, and we could unchain ourselves from sticky concepts like mass and gravity, and perhaps even relativity.

I only regret that I definitely won't live long enough to see any of it.

Quote from: "Seabear"I wonder if this discovery will someday lead to a way to 'streamline' matter.  That is, partially or fully negate the intrinsic mass of an object by limiting or eliminating its interaction with the Higgs field.

Space travel would become way more convenient. Think of it...

Combine this with an eventual understanding of quantum gravity, and we could unchain ourselves from sticky concepts like mass and gravity, and perhaps even relativity.

I think we'd have to first find out just how matter and life behaves if that is possible. I'd hate to be some chap who had been de-massed only for some crazy shit I can't imagine happens. :X

Quote from: "Rasputin"I only regret that I definitely won't live long enough to see any of it.

You never know. If the ability to significantly extend our lives is created in the coming decades, you may well live to see it. :)

Quote from: "GurrenLagann"I think we'd have to first find out just how matter and life behaves if that is possible. I'd hate to be some chap who had been de-massed only for some crazy shit I can't imagine happens. :X

Perhaps we'll enter the fifth dimension. xD

QuoteYou never know. If the ability to significantly extend our lives is created in the coming decades, you may well live to see it. :)

If I could I'd live forever, with the ability to off myself when I do choose of course, but that's a different story.

So I ran the "God Particle" article on my FB page and lots of people started talking about god.   I don't think they quite 'got it' that a god-particle indicates a serious lack for a creator (?)  
Their stance- the god-particle (thus named) indicates GOD made the particle.

help me
 :rollin:

Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Their stance- the god-particle (thus named) indicates GOD made the particle.

They're idiots. The term is short and minced for "goddamned particles"

Quote from: "the_antithesis"[quote="WitchSabrina"Their stance- the god-particle (thus named) indicates GOD made the particle.

They're idiots. The term is short and minced for "goddamned particles"[/quote]

It's a little retarded huh?  I debated to explain or not - and opted for "not".  lol

But their called the goddamn particles. If they were called the fucking particles, would they believe they were the essence of sex?

Quote from: "the_antithesis"But their called the goddamn particles. If they were called the fucking particles, would they believe they were the essence of sex?

(they're - ?)

 :rollin:  :rollin:  :rollin:  for *fucking* particles= sex.

Let's run with that one - shall we? :rollin:

Quote from: "Seabear"I wonder if this discovery will someday lead to a way to 'streamline' matter.  That is, partially or fully negate the intrinsic mass of an object by limiting or eliminating its interaction with the Higgs field.

Unfortunately the vast majority of mass in the protons and neutrons which make up matter comes from the strong nuclear force.
Eliminate that and you would be in a bit of trouble :)

Michio Kaku isn't helping. (//http://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2013/03/18/what-the-god-particle-hath-wrought/)

QuoteYou've doubtless heard the joke: We can't call the Higgs boson the "God Particle" any more, because now we have tangible evidence that it exists.

But the label "God Particle," attached to the poor unsuspecting Higgs boson by Leon Lederman and Dick Teresi, continues to wreak havoc on physicists' attempts to clearly explain what is going on. Last week's announcements from CERN that the new particle discovered last July is looking more and more like the Higgs predicted by the Standard Model generated stories like this one, from CBS news:

The Higgs boson is often called "the God particle" because it's said to be what caused the "Big Bang" that created our universe many years ago. The nickname caught on so quickly (even though scientists and clergy alike do not care for it) partly because it's a great explanation of what it's supposed to do — the Higgs boson is what joins everything and gives it matter.

That might be the worst paragraph I've ever read about the Higgs boson, and I've read quite a few. (H/t Faye Flam.) Originally I thought the journalist was just making things up, but it turns out that it's Michio Kaku's fault. (H/t Matt Strassler on Facebook.) There is a video linked to the article, in which Kaku says that the Higgs helped cause the Big Bang, and that's why it's called the God Particle. Another example where it would have been tempting to rag on sloppy popular journalism, where actually it's a supposed scientist who is largely to blame. (Although the above paragraph is also wrong about things it should be easy to get right.)

For the record, the Higgs had nothing whatsoever to do with causing the Big Bang. (Kaku tries to link it to inflation, but they're not related.) It also doesn't "join everything," whatever that means. It does give mass to elementary particles like electrons and quarks, which isn't the same as giving "matter" (since that kind of doesn't make any sense), and besides which it doesn't give mass to protons and neutrons and therefore most of the mass in ordinary objects.

The "God Particle" label, despite being very catchy and therefore leading to more publicity than most elementary particles manage to muster, has done more harm than good for the public understanding of science. Non-experts, hearing that physicists have named something after God, might actually think they were being serious. Imagine that.

It's not going away any time soon. Leon Lederman and Chris Hill have a sequel to the original book coming out, Beyond the God Particle, due later this year. I'm sure the book will be great at explaining the physics, and I'm equally sure the title will generate a lot more confusion. Get your disclaimers ready!

 :rollin:

Quote from: "Seabear"I wonder if this discovery will someday lead to a way to 'streamline' matter.  That is, partially or fully negate the intrinsic mass of an object by limiting or eliminating its interaction with the Higgs field.

It gives particles (electrons and quarks) mass, allowing them to join together (along with protons and neutrons) into mass.  Eliminate the Higgs field's effect and you eliminate clumping, which means that matter itself would change.  (But most of the mass - from protons and neutrons - would remain.)

Discovery of the Higgs is one of those uninteresting (to the scientists involved) discoveries - it just confirms what theory predicted years ago.  Finding that the Higgs field didn't do what theory predicts it does would be a real discovery.

Quote from: "Colanth"

Quote from: "Seabear"I wonder if this discovery will someday lead to a way to 'streamline' matter.  That is, partially or fully negate the intrinsic mass of an object by limiting or eliminating its interaction with the Higgs field.

It gives particles (electrons and quarks) mass, allowing them to join together (along with protons and neutrons) into mass.  Eliminate the Higgs field's effect and you eliminate clumping, which means that matter itself would change.  (But most of the mass - from protons and neutrons - would remain.)

Discovery of the Higgs is one of those uninteresting (to the scientists involved) discoveries - it just confirms what theory predicted years ago.  Finding that the Higgs field didn't do what theory predicts it does would be a real discovery.

Time for someone to invent a disruptor pistol... Kill someone by shooting them with a beam that shuts off the higgs field of whatever you shoot.

QuoteTime for someone to invent a disruptor pistol... Kill someone by shooting them with a beam that shuts off the higgs field of whatever you shoot.

That sounds rather ineffective. Why not just shoot them with a small bit of metal traveling at high speed?

Quote from: "Plu"

QuoteTime for someone to invent a disruptor pistol... Kill someone by shooting them with a beam that shuts off the higgs field of whatever you shoot.

That sounds rather ineffective. Why not just shoot them with a small bit of metal traveling at high speed?

Because if you vaporize them there's less evidence.

Dude has a point. :lol:

Might be interesting as an assassination weapon, though judging by the size of the Hadron Collider, I don't think it'll be very concealable  :rollin:

Maybe it'll be like computers and get smaller over time.

Quote from: "Fluffhead"[ Image (//https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6415913472/h63AB56E9/) ]

 :rollin:

It's tragicomedy, really a shame and I (still) haven't had the opportunity of telling this kind of people how much they're ingorants! Fucking shit !