Texas teenager arrested after a homemade clock was mistaken for a bombA ninth grader from Texas makes a clock and brings to school to impress his engineering teacher. But unfortunately he is a muslim with a name of Ahmed Mohamed, so he was arrested because that might be a bomb!
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34272642
Below is the entire news feed from BBC.
QuoteA 14-year-old boy has been arrested in Texas after a homemade clock he wanted to show his school teachers was mistaken for a bomb.
Ahmed Mohamed brought it into MacArthur High School in Irving to show his engineering teacher.
Another teacher saw it and, concerned it looked like a bomb, alerted school authorities who called the police.
What? islamophobia? It is not real!
Police says that the kid
couldn't make any explanation for making a clock and bringing it to school to his teacher and that's why he was arrested. Apparently, there should be a 'broader explanation' for making a clock to impress your engineering teacher.
Later, Obama invited the kid to white house...etc. PR.
The suspicious clock:
(http://i2.wp.com/makezine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/0916ahmedclockannotated.png?resize=620%2C375)
We are a nation of xenophobic morons.
Not unique to your nation, Mermaid.
Oddly, I was more pissed off that they handcuffed him. They handcuffed a 14 years old, probably in front of his friends for obvious bullshit.
Yup there is no such thing as Islamophobia!
Quote from: Mermaid on September 17, 2015, 08:20:21 AM
We are a nation of xenophobic morons.
Well, Texas wants to be its own nation, so I say move out all the smarter people, leave the rest, and launch it into the middle of the Atlantic. Then you can turn the space into a reservoir, solving the drought some states are facing.
(http://i.imgur.com/yL3Fcf3.jpg)
Texas is a strange place.
Quote from: Munch on September 17, 2015, 01:16:25 PM
Well, Texas wants to be its own nation, so I say move out all the smarter people, leave the rest, and launch it into the middle of the Atlantic. Then you can turn the space into a reservoir, solving the drought some states are facing.
They have a bullshit reservoir down there somewhere. It is called Ted Nugent.
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 17, 2015, 01:22:26 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/yL3Fcf3.jpg)
Texas is a strange place.
He's a black kid in texas that isn't either controlled by the state (like the cop) or in prison yet, so he's guilty of anything said against him.
Yeah because being black is the problem here, but not a muslim. Pfffft.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 17, 2015, 04:00:55 PM
Yeah because being black is the problem here, but not a muslim. Pfffft.
Implying that one would be worse than the other.
Quote from: Munch on September 17, 2015, 01:42:30 PM
He's a black kid in texas that isn't either controlled by the state (like the cop) or in prison yet, so he's guilty of anything said against him.
But he isn't black...
Quote from: Munch on September 17, 2015, 01:16:25 PM
Well, Texas wants to be its own nation, so I say move out all the smarter people, leave the rest, and launch it into the middle of the Atlantic. Then you can turn the space into a reservoir, solving the drought some states are facing.
Right, not an American thing; thats why Muslims get the shit beat out of them in the subways of New York City, the capital of Texas. And the Mosque vandalizations in San Diego and Santa Cruz, the shooting at Muslims in Coachella, the vandalization of Muslim graves in Washington state all were by Texans.
Note; those are all "liberal bastion" states, and NYC is one of the most ethnically diverse cities in the world. Hate crimes against Muslims (100-150 confirmed cases a year on average) is an American thing, not a Texan or even Southern thing.
QuoteImplying that one would be worse than the other.
Uh... yes, implying such a thing because in the mind of the person committing the crime or society that encourages it... one WOULD be worse than the other.
The photo actually looks like a bomb for a moment. Better arrested and make sure it's safe. I don't even see how this is even news worthy other than the face that OMG he's Muslim.
(http://i2.wp.com/makezine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/0916ahmedclockannotated.png?resize=620%2C375)
hmmm, yeah, I think I would be a mite worried as well, after all, there was a time when a simple pressure cooker wouldn't raise alarms either eh?
No, in fact there is no such thing as Islamophobia, but there is fear of things which look like bombs, and there is fear of people who resemble those who make bombs or deliver them to likely targets. I don't suppose it's occurred to others here that some Muslims don't have swarthy skin and dark hair, and that they don't have to have Arabic, Persian, or Turkish - sounding names either? Now I'm not saying that it's at all ok to treat anybody who fits the the general appearance of an ignorant and violent fanatic such as Bin Laden with suspicion, but that when they do it isn't about what ideas they believe, it's who they appear to be. Being afraid of those who resemble those who have harmed you has unfortunately unjust consequences, but it is a natural defense mechanism in people, and the US is hardly any worse than other countries regarding this.
Having observed the above, I think it takes a truly half-assed engineering teacher to promote a simple clock to a bomb, especially when it carries nothing which even resembles an explosive load.
Quote from: CrucifyCindy on September 17, 2015, 04:54:58 PM
But he isn't black...
my mistake, I glanced at the photo with blurry eyes. But to be frank, in both regards, black or muslim, it be the same thing in Texas. Is your not white, christian republican, your either a criminal, or need to be controlled by the state.
Quote from: peacewithoutgod on September 17, 2015, 07:51:16 PM
No, in fact there is no such thing as Islamophobia, but there is fear of things which look like bombs, and there is fear of people who resemble those who make bombs or deliver them to likely targets. I don't suppose it's occurred to others here that some Muslims don't have swarthy skin and dark hair, and that they don't have to have Arabic, Persian, or Turkish - sounding names either? Now I'm not saying that it's at all ok to treat anybody who fits the the general appearance of an ignorant and violent fanatic such as Bin Laden with suspicion, but that when they do it isn't about what ideas they believe, it's who they appear to be. Being afraid of those who resemble those who have harmed you has unfortunately unjust consequences, but it is a natural defense mechanism in people, and the US is hardly any worse than other countries regarding this.
Having observed the above, I think it takes a truly half-assed engineering teacher to promote a simple clock to a bomb, especially when it carries nothing which even resembles an explosive load.
Senator Graham is this you?
Quote from: Shiranu on September 17, 2015, 06:32:06 PM
Right, not an American thing; thats why Muslims get the shit beat out of them in the subways of New York City, the capital of Texas. And the Mosque vandalizations in San Diego and Santa Cruz, the shooting at Muslims in Coachella, the vandalization of Muslim graves in Washington state all were by Texans.
Note; those are all "liberal bastion" states, and NYC is one of the most ethnically diverse cities in the world. Hate crimes against Muslims (100-150 confirmed cases a year on average) is an American thing, not a Texan or even Southern thing.
Hate crimes are a world wide thing. but you can look on a census map to get an idea of just how much more racism is in some parts of america then the rest.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/03/article-2572449-1C03CAB000000578-512_964x554.jpg)
The more southern parts of america do have a higher influx of hate groups then the northern regions
GENERAL HATE?? wtf is that? Hell about half of us could fit into a "general hate" club….I hate okra!
Quote from: Munch on September 17, 2015, 08:06:46 PM
Hate crimes are a world wide thing. but you can look on a census map to get an idea of just how much more racism is in some parts of america then the rest.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/03/article-2572449-1C03CAB000000578-512_964x554.jpg)
The more southern parts of america do have a higher influx of hate groups then the northern regions
They seem to be more clustered up there in the northeast if you look at that map
Quote from: Munch on September 17, 2015, 08:06:46 PM
Hate crimes are a world wide thing. but you can look on a census map to get an idea of just how much more racism is in some parts of america then the rest.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/03/article-2572449-1C03CAB000000578-512_964x554.jpg)
The more southern parts of america do have a higher influx of hate groups then the northern regions
3 of the 4 most hate-group states are also "liberal stronghold" states, with California being the darkest... and over half the states are in the North East (or California).
That map doesn't even remotely show you where is more racist or isn't... if anything, all it shows you is which parts of the United State has a decent population vs. which doesn't...
An interesting map to go with that one...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/DBR96/Maps/Populationdensityranking2010.png)
The states with more people have more organizations... that is a shocker.
I will say this though; I am quite shocked that Louisiana doesn't have more recognized hate groups.
Quote from: CrucifyCindy on September 17, 2015, 07:58:14 PM
Senator Graham is this you?
Cindy's asshole is trolling again...**sigh**
Quote from: peacewithoutgod on September 17, 2015, 08:44:52 PM
Cindy's asshole is trolling again...**sigh**
Quit yer whining. Maybe you won't be such an easy target to be teased if you weren't so.... reactive.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 17, 2015, 07:22:27 AM
Texas teenager arrested after a homemade clock was mistaken for a bomb
A ninth grader from Texas makes a clock and brings to school to impress his engineering teacher. But unfortunately he is a muslim with a name of Ahmed Mohamed, so he was arrested because that might be a bomb!
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34272642
Below is the entire news feed from BBC.
What? islamophobia? It is not real!
Police says that the kid couldn't make any explanation for making a clock and bringing it to school to his teacher and that's why he was arrested. Apparently, there should be a 'broader explanation' for making a clock to impress your engineering teacher.
Later, Obama invited the kid to white house...etc. PR.
The suspicious clock:
(http://i2.wp.com/makezine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/0916ahmedclockannotated.png?resize=620%2C375)
I'm not the only person here that thinks this looks like a bomb, right?
It kind of looks like its right out of Rush Hour 2 or something.
If I saw that laying around, I'd be suspicious even if I don't know who made it. It sucks that the kid got arrested and is possibly scarred for life, but if I saw that... I'd worry a bit about it being a bomb.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on September 17, 2015, 10:52:10 PM
I'm not the only person here that thinks this looks like a bomb, right?
It kind of looks like its right out of Rush Hour 2 or something.
If I saw that laying around, I'd be suspicious even if I don't know who made it. It sucks that the kid got arrested and is possibly scarred for life, but if I saw that... I'd worry a bit about it being a bomb.
Except there is no explosive or chemical compounds attach to it. Beleive or not...not many bombs have clocks attach to them except in the movies. If it was a cell phone attached to some electronics and anything that looked like a chemical compound then I would be worried.
P.S. Not that I know anything about making any sort of bomb ( just in case the NSA is watching). You go NSA! Keep us safe!
That may be true, but for someone that is not an expert in bombs, like me, a few other people on this forum, and probably most people in western civilization... Something like that brings up the the thought "bomb!?", because the only bombs we've seen are small, consumer-grade firecrackers and bombs on TV and movies.
Like I said, it sucks that that kid got arrested, but I can't blame someone for being cautious. I would probably be afraid of that if anyone brought that near me without knowing ahead of time what it is. No matter what age or skin color.
Hopefully the president can inspire him to continue his pursuit of learning technology and this can be an example of why we need 1. better science education and 2. we need to lighten up on the racism because someone's skin isn't the color of my toilet bowl (aka white)
Quote from: PickelledEggs on September 17, 2015, 10:52:10 PMI'm not the only person here that thinks this looks like a bomb, right?
It kind of looks like its right out of Rush Hour 2 or something.
If I saw that laying around, I'd be suspicious even if I don't know who made it. It sucks that the kid got arrested and is possibly scarred for life, but if I saw that... I'd worry a bit about it being a bomb.
It doesn't look like a bomb to me, personally. I might do a double-take and ask couple friendly questions, but no, I wouldn't call the cops over that. It actually reminds me of this:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzeFeSOCQAIUOoL.jpg)
^ Yes, that is a computer, not a bomb.
For comparison, actual bombs:
(http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/ikv3cvEU2eg/hqdefault.jpg)
(http://adaderana.lk/news_images/772599731IED_Baghdad.jpg)
(http://goodguymovies.com/images/SuperHeroes/Fantastic-Four/Fantastic-Four-2015-poster.jpg)
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 18, 2015, 01:04:47 AM
For comparison, actual bombs:
(http://goodguymovies.com/images/SuperHeroes/Fantastic-Four/Fantastic-Four-2015-poster.jpg)
I love that.
Please understand we once had a 14 year white kid build a nuclear reator in his garage and he wasn't arrested or suspected of being a terrorist. If we are going to be doing some profiling when it comes to white kids building bombs...well you know the rest.
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 18, 2015, 01:04:47 AM
It doesn't look like a bomb to me, personally. I might do a double-take and ask couple friendly questions, but no, I wouldn't call the cops over that. It actually reminds me of this:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzeFeSOCQAIUOoL.jpg)
^ Yes, that is a computer, not a bomb.
For comparison, actual bombs:
(http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/ikv3cvEU2eg/hqdefault.jpg)
(http://adaderana.lk/news_images/772599731IED_Baghdad.jpg)
(http://goodguymovies.com/images/SuperHeroes/Fantastic-Four/Fantastic-Four-2015-poster.jpg)
This. My first thought was that it was a very rudimentary homemade radio.
If this kid was named John Jacob Shoemaker, from a Middle Class, White Protestant household there would not have been any fuss over him bringing this to school. But combine that skin colour with that name and suddenly every thing he does is going to be looked through the filtered glasses of bigotry because, "...he is more likely to be a terrorist!"... even though almost all American bombers have been white.
You scared of bombs at school? Start racially profiling white males, they are the one's most likely to blow you up, shoot you, stab you or mortally wound you in one way or another or commit acts of terror. That's why the stupidly overwhelming majority of terrorist acts and mass shootings in the United States aren't committed by Abdullahs and Afifys but McFeys, Harris-es and idiots who think they are the Joker.
Trying to picture how this situation evolved:
Science teacher: OK, class. I'm assigning you guys a science project. Have it ready by the end of the month.
Time passes.
Science teacher: All right, please share with the class what you did for your science project.
Lily White: Here's mine. It's an erupting volcano. See how it shoots out hot lava?
Science teacher: Very nice, Lily. Who's up next? How about you, Osama... I mean Ahmed? What have you got for us?
Ahmed Mohammed: It's a clock I built. Pretty cool, huh?
Science teacher: Eek, it's a bomb! I knew it! You Mooslims are all terrorists. Help, police!!!
Quote from: Shiranu on September 18, 2015, 01:41:21 AM
This. My first thought was that it was a very rudimentary homemade radio.
Yep.
Exposed wiring = homemade electronic device
Exposed wiring + explosive = homemade bomb
Quote from: CrucifyCindy on September 17, 2015, 11:43:08 PMP.S. Not that I know anything about making any sort of bomb ( just in case the NSA is watching). You go NSA! Keep us safe!
Anarchist cookbook. All its recipes were garbage. I almost burned down the kitchen and nothing tasted good.
Quote from: peacewithoutgod on September 17, 2015, 07:51:16 PM
but there is fear of things which look like bombs
Everything looks like bombs.
Kid leaves his backpack unattended; must be a bomb. Now we need those unattended baggage messages in schools and airports.
Kid brings a paper Papier-mâché volcano to school; how do we know he didn't Papier-mâché a bomb inside?
Kid wearing a large vest; must have a suicide bomber vest on.
Potatoes with some wires and a digital display; must be a potato-bomb, who's ever heard of a potato-clock anyway.
Quote from: Poison Tree on September 18, 2015, 03:01:03 AM
Everything looks like bombs.
Literally everything (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Boston_bomb_scare).
Quote from: Poison Tree on September 18, 2015, 03:01:03 AMKid leaves his backpack unattended; must be a bomb. Now we need those unattended baggage messages in schools and airports.
For schools this would be a new and disturbing practice. For airports, however... this has been the case for as long as I can remember.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on September 17, 2015, 04:06:57 PM
Implying that one would be worse than the other.
Yeah, it is since 9/11.
The clock reminded me those ancient cube cd players with deck on top and speakers built in sides. They came in metalic dark blue and grey.
Quote from: Atheon on September 18, 2015, 02:13:57 AM
Trying to picture how this situation evolved:
Science teacher: OK, class. I'm assigning you guys a science project. Have it ready by the end of the month.
Time passes.
Science teacher: All right, please share with the class what you did for your science project.
Lily White: Here's mine. It's an erupting volcano. See how it shoots out hot lava?
Science teacher: Very nice, Lily. Who's up next? How about you, Osama... I mean Ahmed? What have you got for us?
Ahmed Mohammed: It's a clock I built. Pretty cool, huh?
Science teacher: Eek, it's a bomb! I knew it! You Mooslims are all terrorists. Help, police!!!
I read a different article that had a different teacher making the call, not the science teacher.
Hindsight is always easier when there is a false alarm eh? or if it had been a...you know....device.
Quote from: Poison Tree on September 18, 2015, 03:01:03 AM
Everything looks like bombs.
Kid leaves his backpack unattended; must be a bomb. Now we need those unattended baggage messages in schools and airports.
Kid brings a paper Papier-mâché volcano to school; how do we know he didn't Papier-mâché a bomb inside?
Kid wearing a large vest; must have a suicide bomber vest on.
Potatoes with some wires and a digital display; must be a potato-bomb, who's ever heard of a potato-clock anyway.
There's nothing the least bit rational about our ancient survival instincts, no news there. I'm just saying that it's natural to have "bomb" on your mind when you see factors which are known to amount to a bomb, but it takes a serious jerk and an incredibly incompetent excuse for an "engineering" teacher not to further evaluate what is presented by the most unlikely person in the US (where there have never actually been any suicide vests, much less child-bombers) before he does something which could ruin the poor kid's life.
i don't know. looks the kids life is looking pretty damn good now. The kid should thank the teacher that made the call.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on September 17, 2015, 10:39:43 PM
Quit yer whining. Maybe you won't be such an easy target to be teased if you weren't so.... reactive.
It takes a serious asshole for a mod to discourage people from speaking their minds, and you have stunk like that before.
Quote from: aitm on September 18, 2015, 09:19:01 AM
i don't know. looks the kids life is looking pretty damn good now. The kid should thank the teacher that made the call.
You understand that kid is lucky, right? That he could have ended up in a different position, especially if this happened a few years earlier?
Quote from: aitm on September 18, 2015, 09:19:01 AM
i don't know. looks the kids life is looking pretty damn good now. The kid should thank the teacher that made the call.
Chuckled to this. I think he should kiss his luck that the president in the office is not a republican, but a communist/satanist/muslim...I forgot the rest....anyway, may be he can make something out of it.
Quote from: peacewithoutgod on September 18, 2015, 09:49:42 AM
It takes a serious asshole for a mod to discourage people from speaking their minds, and you have stunk like that before.
I don't know how much of "speaking your mind" it is to comment simply with saying "Cindy's asshole is trolling again...**sigh**"
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Quote from: Atheon on September 18, 2015, 02:13:57 AM
Trying to picture how this situation evolved:
Science teacher: OK, class. I'm assigning you guys a science project. Have it ready by the end of the month.
Time passes.
Science teacher: All right, please share with the class what you did for your science project.
Lily White: Here's mine. It's an erupting volcano. See how it shoots out hot lava?
Science teacher: Very nice, Lily. Who's up next? How about you, Osama... I mean Ahmed? What have you got for us?
Ahmed Mohammed: It's a clock I built. Pretty cool, huh?
Science teacher: Eek, it's a bomb! I knew it! You Mooslims are all terrorists. Help, police!!!
:rotflmao:
The real bit behind all this is that they can't even think that a muslim kid would be able to make somethig like that by himself for the science class. The bomb paranoia completes the scene. If there wasn't a 9/11, the kid sparents would have been called and asked "who made this?!"
Quote from: peacewithoutgod on September 18, 2015, 09:10:06 AM
I'm just saying that it's natural to have "bomb" on your mind when you see factors which are known to amount to a bomb
By "factors which are known to amount to a bomb" you mean electronics? Wires?
Know what usually is inside a bomb? Explosives, shrapnel, a detonator/fuse and a trigger. What's in this kid's clock? Explosives? no. Shrapnel? no. Detonator? no. A Trigger? Sure, a clock or some wires
could be part of a trigger for a bomb. So could a clock or watch someone bought. Or a cell phone. Things that most of the kids in that school would have been walking around with.
Maybe I can understand a nervous teacher thinking it is a bomb--although if a kid did bring a bomb to school, why would he show it to teachers while calling it a clock? Wouldn't he just, you know, blow shit up?--but for the police to look in it, see no explosives, no shrapnel and to think "we better arrest this guy just in case" is moronic. I don't think the police actually thought that it was a bomb. If they had, wouldn't they have evacuated the school and sent in the bomb squad? Yet they still arrested him and the school still suspended him. I suppose that if some kid brought oregano to Home Ec he would have been arrested and suspended even after it became clear that it wasn't actually marijuana.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O21xFX7QBpE
I think that if a white Christian boy came to school with the same shit he would be treated just the same.
Except, no invitation to the White House.
Quote from: aitm on September 18, 2015, 09:05:34 AMI read a different article that had a different teacher making the call, not the science teacher.
It was the English teacher. Cue stereotype about english teachers not knowing anything about technology.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on September 18, 2015, 11:17:33 AM
I don't know how much of "speaking your mind" it is to comment simply with saying "Cindy's asshole is trolling again...**sigh**"
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It so happens that Cindy doe little else other than troll around here, and there's a confession yesterday in black and white "yes, I am fucking with people here".
You tend to use that word "whining" a lot, plus no small degree of snark. Both are bad form when a moderator addresses forum members, as I've seen you do with others. You're supposed to be the mature person here.
You realise he is not a kindergarten teacher, right?
Peacewithoutgod... You jumped to conclusions saying "Cindy's asshole is trolling again".
There isn't any reason to call her an asshole and I am addressing that. Now stop arguing and whining that I'm talking to you about this, move on, and stop needlessly insulting other members.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 18, 2015, 11:45:47 AM
You realise he is not a kindergarten teacher, right?
Kreist, for the kids I sure hope not!
Quote from: CrucifyCindy on September 17, 2015, 04:54:58 PM
But he isn't black...
According to the Supreme Court, if he has 1/8 Negro blood in him, then he is Negro. Plessy vs Ferguson.
Quote from: peacewithoutgod on September 18, 2015, 11:51:41 AM
Kreist, for the kids I sure hope not!
That was aimed at you, not to him. Hint.
If Cindy wants to fuck with us on this board, that's fine with me, as long as she insists that I wear a condom.
LOL @ Mike
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 18, 2015, 12:05:29 PM
If Cindy wants to fuck with us on this board, that's fine with me, as long as she insists that I wear a condom.
And probably you are among just a very few here who can say something like that and doesn't sound a bit crass or sexist. :kiss: Well, imho.
I used to live about 6 blocks from McArthur HS in Irving so I'm guessing that the real crime was he wasn't wearing shoulder pads and a football helmet because the HS's in Irving all have stadiums big enough to rival most big 10 stadiums. Science classes are fairly low on the list of importance there.
By Irving standards anyone not playing football are automatically suspect and making a clock is akin to being an actual terrorist.
Quote from: pr126 on September 18, 2015, 11:24:03 AM
I think that if a white Christian boy came to school with the same shit he would be treated just the same.
Except, no invitation to the White House.
We had a white Christian boy build a working nuclear reactor in his garage and no one blinked an eye.
Quote from: CrucifyCindy on September 18, 2015, 03:02:27 PM
We had a white Christian boy build a working nuclear reactor in his garage and no one blinked an eye.
Yeah---but did he take it to school?
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 18, 2015, 03:29:37 PM
Yeah---but did he take it to school?
Does that really matter when you build a nuclear reactor in your garage?
Quote from: Shiranu on September 17, 2015, 06:32:06 PM
Right, not an American thing; thats why Muslims get the shit beat out of them in the subways of New York City, the capital of Texas. And the Mosque vandalizations in San Diego and Santa Cruz, the shooting at Muslims in Coachella, the vandalization of Muslim graves in Washington state all were by Texans.
Note; those are all "liberal bastion" states, and NYC is one of the most ethnically diverse cities in the world. Hate crimes against Muslims (100-150 confirmed cases a year on average) is an American thing, not a Texan or even Southern thing.
Uh... yes, implying such a thing because in the mind of the person committing the crime or society that encourages it... one WOULD be worse than the other.
Poor you and Stephen Amell. The Internet Outrage Machine is all in a twitter about his tweets on how we shouldn't be stereotyping Texas. And he is right, we shouldn't be saying that this is just a Texas thing.
Quote from: CrucifyCindy on September 18, 2015, 03:35:44 PM
Does that really matter when you build a nuclear reactor in your garage?
Well, yeah....................if he had then an eye would have blinked I think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZoSXQ7Wl_A
analysis (http://blogs.artvoice.com/techvoice/2015/09/17/reverse-engineering-ahmed-mohameds-clock-and-ourselves/)
[spoiler](https://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/2547/3836/original.jpg)[/spoiler]
Quote from: pr126 on September 19, 2015, 10:37:25 AM
analysis (http://blogs.artvoice.com/techvoice/2015/09/17/reverse-engineering-ahmed-mohameds-clock-and-ourselves/)
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Good paragraph here:
QuoteI keep thinking: what would I do, if I were a "stupid security guard" and a kid came into the school with something that resembled a bomb? Would I think to myself, "Well, it looks kind of like a bomb, but I'll just let it slide."? Or would I do what I'm supposed to do, which is to try to keep people from blowing up the kids?
For those of us with short memories, there are people who want to blow other people up, using things that kind of look like this kid's device. "Stupid security guards" try to keep that from happening.
Quote from: pr126 on September 19, 2015, 10:37:25 AM
analysis (http://blogs.artvoice.com/techvoice/2015/09/17/reverse-engineering-ahmed-mohameds-clock-and-ourselves/)
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aitm et. al. - You know what else looks like a bomb? This.
(http://targus.com/content/images/thumbs/0003402_17-groove-backpack.jpeg)
Here is another one...
(http://mtnweekly.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Igloo-Regiment-Olive-Backpack-DUO.jpg)
Here is a
Muslim woman...
woman more likely to be a terrorist... woman who is less likely to be a terrorist than a white male carrying one of these devices.
(http://us.123rf.com/450wm/michaeljung/michaeljung1303/michaeljung130300539/18500671-attractive-female-arabic-college-student-isolated-on-white.jpg?ver=6)
Terrifying.
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If someone is going to bring a bomb to school, it's going to either be hidden in a backpack because... well, what good does a bomb do if you get tackled before you could detonate it... or you are going to hide it in a bathroom or under a desk or in an office. You aren't going to pull that shit out in the middle of class and be like, "Hey guys... this is totally not a bomb! Look at me not doing anything that would be setting said bomb off! Look at how there is nothing here that could detonate or launched! So uh... any questions? No? Okay well gonna pack it in and go home now. Later guys!".
Here are some common devices used for bomb making...
Edit: On second though, don't want to show up on an FBI watch list for posting pictures, so...
-Nails
-PVC pipes
-Pressure Cookers
Are we going to start stopping carpenters, plumbers and cooks because they have devices that look like bombs as well?
(https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-0/p280x280/12004781_10206911426640800_6594967329672141346_n.jpg?oh=d5b4c1204916ec3691abe7e186a42c1b&oe=56A61C59)
Or 7 kids who brought clocks that "look like bombs" to school and nothing happened... or one kid who brought AN ACTUAL BOMB TO SCHOOL, AND NOTHING HAPPENED.
http://gawker.com/7-kids-not-named-mohamed-who-brought-homemade-clocks-to-1730999866
Quote from: Shiranu on September 19, 2015, 06:58:30 PM
*inserts a cute story about a little girl on an airplane challenging a grumpy atheist*…..or some other made up drivel that he thinks make a point…..ho-hum…just more of shir being "all that".
Quote from: aitm on September 19, 2015, 08:35:46 PM
Quote from: Shiranu on September 19, 2015, 06:58:30 PM
*inserts a cute story about a little girl on an airplane challenging a grumpy atheist*…..or some other made up drivel that he thinks make a point…..ho-hum…just more of shir being "all that".
Made up drivel? Which part, if you don't mind me asking? Just put an x by the ones that you think are true for for me, thanks.
-People don't carry bombs in backpacks.
-White people aren't more likely to be terrorists or bombers in the United States.
-Nails, PVC and Pressure Cookers are not common devices for HME's, such as pipe bombs and the cookers the Tsaernevs used.
-That those stories are all made up, and someone spent time to forge the newspapers just to prove a point about a story people will not care about in a week or so.
Thanks again for being so kind as to point out what I got wrong and was making up. I hate that I made you feel like a persecuted victim, that was never my intention by posting these lies, so I will greatly appreciated.
I know, I know,,anyone that looks unlike "normal" white people should never be suspected ever ever again…we get it.
Quote from: aitm on September 19, 2015, 08:46:59 PM
I know, I know,,anyone that looks unlike "normal" white people should never be suspected ever ever again…we get it.
The fact that is what you get out of everything said says a lot about your prejudices. It's okay, you have great company in fellow victim white people...
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/12/21/white.persecution/
Edit: also, still curious what the made up cute story drivel was so I can fix it. Thanks!
Yeah, and you always, "after the fact" take great umbrage against people who have taken on more responsibility than you care to. You talk like you can, but it takes you a month to work up the courage to talk to a girl. Putting you in charge of protecting anything would be a disaster. You take great delight in besmirching people willing to take on the challenges of protecting people while you sit on the side complaining they can't do anything right. Get off your horse punk, oh who am I kidding, you don't have the balls to get on a horse.
Quote from: aitm on September 19, 2015, 09:01:25 PM
Yeah, and you always, "after the fact" take great umbrage against people who have taken on more responsibility than you care to. You talk like you can, but it takes you a month to work up the courage to talk to a girl. Putting you in charge of protecting anything would be a disaster. You take great delight in besmirching people willing to take on the challenges of protecting people while you sit on the side complaining they can't do anything right. Get off your horse punk, oh who am I kidding, you don't have the balls to get on a horse.
The execution was sloppy, but I will give you a B for effort. You faded really bad after the initial insult and I give that ending jab a F-minus for sounding like it came from a James Cameron take that was left on the cutting room floor.
If your going to play the role of the butthurt, grumpy old man who takes things way to personally... I recommend more practice. I have seen you spewing this for several weeks now and your form is just all sorts of sloppy.
So, now that little pissing match is out of the way, do tell... What part of my post was made up drivel.
Preach on Bill:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/09/19/bill-maher-tears-into-liberals-angered-over-muslim-student-arrested-for-homemade-clock-what-if-it-had-been-a-bomb/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/09/19/bill-maher-tears-into-liberals-angered-over-muslim-student-arrested-for-homemade-clock-what-if-it-had-been-a-bomb/)
Quote from: aitm on September 20, 2015, 11:57:57 AM
Preach on Bill:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/09/19/bill-maher-tears-into-liberals-angered-over-muslim-student-arrested-for-homemade-clock-what-if-it-had-been-a-bomb/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/09/19/bill-maher-tears-into-liberals-angered-over-muslim-student-arrested-for-homemade-clock-what-if-it-had-been-a-bomb/)
Relevant video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=469&v=aGit-XltUB4
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on September 20, 2015, 12:08:59 PM
Relevant video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=469&v=aGit-XltUB4
Islam is the one culture that is blowing up shit around the world? O rly?
You guys are really funny. But ok I play. 'Murica! Fuck yeah! Woohoo 'Murica! Kill them Satanist Commie Mooslims!
Quote from: CrucifyCindy on September 20, 2015, 01:04:13 PM
Islam is the one culture that is blowing up shit around the world? O rly?
You guys are really funny. But ok I play. 'Murica! Fuck yeah! Woohoo 'Murica! Kill them Satanist Commie Mooslims!
I didn't say I agreed, I just wanted to save everyone the trouble of digging through aitm's article in order to find the video.
well, I am not the only normal person who questions this whole bullshit thing
https://www.facebook.com/topic/Richard-Dawkins/109819012377631?source=whfrt&position=1&trqid=6196752710227722063 (https://www.facebook.com/topic/Richard-Dawkins/109819012377631?source=whfrt&position=1&trqid=6196752710227722063)
Quote from: aitm on September 20, 2015, 08:07:18 PM
well, I am not the only normal person who questions this whole bullshit thing
https://www.facebook.com/topic/Richard-Dawkins/109819012377631?source=whfrt&position=1&trqid=6196752710227722063 (https://www.facebook.com/topic/Richard-Dawkins/109819012377631?source=whfrt&position=1&trqid=6196752710227722063)
Are you seriously calling Dawkins normal?
My sophomore year of high school (at a religious boarding academy) it was discovered that one of my class-mates was building explosives in his dorm room. The police came in, guns drawn, and apprehended him outside the dorm--he started to run, they tackled, cuffed and carried him off. Not only did they evacuate the boys dormitory, the administration building (which was adjacent) and the gymnasium (which was maybe 50 feet away) but also the girls dormitory and the church, both of which were more than 400 feet away. Everyone had to leave on foot because no one was allowed to start a car on campus. The bomb squad came in and removed the device, put it in a bomb containment chamber on center campus and detonated it. They then swept the buildings and cars for further explosives, which was probably overkill but it is what you do when someone had explosives.
Compare that to the reaction to this Texas teen's device. A teacher (English teacher, I believe) carried it to the principal's office. The principal (presumably after looking around inside) called the police. The police sent regular officers to wait in the principal's office (and presumably look inside the device) while the student was called in--into close proximity to the device. No evacuation. No bomb squad. No urgency detaining the student.
If the teacher, principal or police actually thought that it was a bomb then they fucked up spectacularly in how they responded. If they did not think that it was a bomb then they overreacted by arresting and suspending the teen.
Quote from: Mermaid on September 17, 2015, 08:20:21 AM
We are a nation of xenophobic morons.
Would the exact opposite of a xenophobe be someone who promiscuously embraces foreign cultures while snobbishly rejecting their own culture?
Are you the opposite of a xenophobe?
Quote from: baronvonrort on September 21, 2015, 12:12:39 AM
Would the exact opposite of a xenophobe be someone who promiscuously embraces foreign cultures while snobbishly rejecting their own culture?
Are you the opposite of a xenophobe?
I don't reject my culture being American. I am rather proud of being American. I just reject what is wrong with my culture. I reject the fear and suspicious of xenophobia, I reject the blinding philosophy of nationalism which leave you no choice but to declare you love of country right or wrong (Like Thomas Paine I will criticise my country when it is wrong), I reject it's consumerism and blind conformity to the status quo. I reject it's racism and it's sexism. I reject a lot about American culture but I embrace a lot of it...especially rock and roll!
Ahmed Mohammed's clock was a torn apart Radio Shack clockhttp://blogs.artvoice.com/techvoice/2015/09/17/reverse-engineering-ahmed-mohameds-clock-and-ourselves/
QuoteSo, this story about a 14 year old boy in Texas that was arrested on suspicion of creating a bomb hoax (who, apparently just wanted to show off his latest electronics project to his teachers) that has blown up (no pun intended) all over the news and social media, caught my attention immediately. Not because of his race, or his religion, the seeming absurdity of the situation, the emotionally charged photo of a young boy in a NASA t-shirt being led off in hand cuffs, the hash tags, the presidential response… no, none of that. I’m an electronics geek. I was interested in the clock! I wanted to figure out what he had come up with.
I found the highest resolution photograph of the clock I could. Instantly, I was disappointed. Somewhere in all of this â€" there has indeed been a hoax. Ahmed Mohamed didn’t invent his own alarm clock. He didn’t even build a clock. Now, before I go on and get accused of attacking a 14 year old kid who’s already been through enough, let me explain my purpose. I don’t want to just dissect the clock. I want to dissect our reaction as a society to the situation. Part of that is the knee-jerk responses we’re all so quick to make without facts. So, before you scroll down and leave me angry comments, please continue to the end (or not â€" prove my point, and miss the point, entirely!)
For starters, one glance at the printed circuit board in the photo, and I knew we were looking at mid-to-late 1970s vintage electronics. Surely you’ve seen a modern circuit board, with metallic traces leading all over to the various components like an electronic spider’s web. You’ll notice right away the highly accurate spacing, straightness of the lines, consistency of the patterns. That’s because we design things on computers nowadays, and computers assist in routing these lines. Take a look at the board in Ahmed’s clock. It almost looks hand-drawn, right? That’s because it probably was. Computer aided design was in its infancy in the 70s. This is how simple, low cost items (like an alarm clock) were designed. Today, even a budding beginner is going to get some computer aided assistance â€" in fact they’ll probably start there, learning by simulating designs before building them. You can even simulate or lay out a board with free apps on your phone or tablet. A modern hobbyist usually wouldn’t be bothered with the outdated design techniques. There’s also silk screening on the board. An “M†logo, “C-94†(probably, a part number â€" C might even stand for “clockâ€), and what looks like an American flag. More about that in a minute. Point for now being, a hobbyist wouldn’t silk screen logos and part numbers on their home made creation. It’s pretty safe to say already we’re looking at ’70s tech, mass produced in a factory.
So I turned to eBay, searching for vintage alarm clocks. It only took a minute to locate Ahmed’s clock. See this eBay listing, up at the time of this writing. Amhed’s clock was invented, and built, by Micronta, a Radio Shack subsidary. Catalog number 63 765.
So the debate will rage as to the actions of the police, but the kid is a fake. He was trying to pawn his torn down Ebay special as a legitimate project.
Guess its because I'm an old man, but I think its better to let the dust settle before one gets emotional about shit. The jury is still out, but I doubt MIT is now interested and if Obama still wants to shake the kid's hand he is either continuing to politicize the issue or he just doesn't give a shit.
QuoteSo the debate will rage as to the actions of the police, but the kid is a fake. He was trying to pawn his torn down Ebay special as a legitimate project.
Guess its because I'm an old man, but I think its better to let the dust settle before one gets emotional about shit. The jury is still out, but I doubt MIT is now interested and if Obama still wants to shake the kid's hand he is either continuing to politicize the issue or he just doesn't give a shit.
I really have yet to see why the clock being real or not is relevant. The crux of the issue is the failure of the police and school to react in an even remotely sensible matter, not what the kid did.
What would happen if a person tried to take this clock through an airport security?
Quote from: pr126 on September 21, 2015, 02:28:42 AM
What would happen if a person tried to take this clock through an airport security?
Not much (http://www.latimes.com/opinion/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-tsa-airport-security-charade-20150608-story.html) same as if it had actually been a bomb going through airport security
Quote from: pr126 on September 21, 2015, 02:28:42 AM
What would happen if a person tried to take this clock through an airport security?
Cuing Doctor Aitm to the, "comparing apples to spaceships" triage, stat!
Quote from: aitm on September 20, 2015, 08:07:18 PM
well, I am not the only normal person who questions this whole bullshit thing
https://www.facebook.com/topic/Richard-Dawkins/109819012377631?source=whfrt&position=1&trqid=6196752710227722063 (https://www.facebook.com/topic/Richard-Dawkins/109819012377631?source=whfrt&position=1&trqid=6196752710227722063)
Dawkins posistion seems to be (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2015/09/21/should-richard-dawkins-be-criticized-for-what-he-said-about-ahmed-mohamed-on-twitter/) a bit more confused and not as hostile to the teen then that link or your description of Dawkins position would suggests.
Quote from: stromboli on September 21, 2015, 01:40:38 AM
but the kid is a fake. He was trying to pawn his torn down Ebay special as a legitimate project.
I've looked around a bit on makers and electronic forums to see their takes on this. Some of them think he did simply take a clock out of its normal case and put it into a pencil case; some of them think he changed the display for a modern LED; some of them think it looks like a kit job; some of them think that it is impossible to tell from one poor quality picture. Two quotes that most succinctly sum up their opinions are "trivial beginner project" and "that's how I got my start in electronics too". I certainly agree that the praise he has been getting for his project is not based on the merit.
The first story I saw on this said that the teen threw it together in 20 minutes (http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/northwest-dallas-county/headlines/20150915-irving-ninth-grader-arrested-after-taking-homemade-clock-to-school.ece), although it also refereed to it as his "invention". I've actually never seen the teen quoted calling it his "invention"--although certainly have not watched all the interviews with him, so I readily conceded that he may have and I simply missed it. I've seen the media claim that he "invented" it in every story the write. I've seen the teen claim that he "built" it. If asked, I'd tell you that I built the computer I'm using and I doubt that I did anything more creative than this teen did. My dad (who has actually designed and built computers [mostly monitors] from the ground up) would probably say that he "built" the computer running his sprinkler system, which is a Raspberry (https://www.raspberrypi.org/help/what-is-a-raspberry-pi/) with some extra bits added on.
I don't have a problem with the teen claiming that he "built" a clock. When he, or the media, say he "invented" it that is, at best, an exaggeration (even if he had built the clock from scratch, unless it has some novel feature, he still would not have "invented" anything). The accolades his project have brought him are clearly excessive. But to claim, as others around the web have done, that because this clock was a half-assed project the teen
must have intended it to be a viewed as a bomb threat or that lazy work on his part indicates that the school and police handled this incident correctly is, I believe, wrong.
Either way it is a fine example of over reacting to a kid with a science project. School over reacted, cops over reacted, the media, everybody. 20 years ago this would never have happened and been a non issue. I'm smart enough to know the difference between a radio and a bomb. That the school people didn't think this kid was safe after attending there for some period smacks of homophobia- more focused on his last name than on his schooling or his attendance. Silliness all the way around.
If You See Something, (think hard before you) Say Something (http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/09/if_you_see_something_think_hard_before_you_say_something.html)
Quote from: stromboli on September 21, 2015, 01:40:38 AM
Ahmed Mohammed's clock was a torn apart Radio Shack clock
http://blogs.artvoice.com/techvoice/2015/09/17/reverse-engineering-ahmed-mohameds-clock-and-ourselves/
So the debate will rage as to the actions of the police, but the kid is a fake. He was trying to pawn his torn down Ebay special as a legitimate project.
Guess its because I'm an old man, but I think its better to let the dust settle before one gets emotional about shit. The jury is still out, but I doubt MIT is now interested and if Obama still wants to shake the kid's hand he is either continuing to politicize the issue or he just doesn't give a shit.
That and the fact that the kid took his "clock" to one class where the teacher apparently said, "oh, that's nice", then took it to another class, same reaction... it was not only after the 6th class that a teacher reacted differently - she was suspicious and alerted her superior. So it seems that not only he did not build anything ingenuous but his behavior - going from class to class without engaging with any of the 6 teachers he met with that day - it would seem that he wanted something else. Maybe luring the school to act out and he would get publicity, which he did. So, not smart in building a clock, but smart in getting a whole lot of publicity.
I also believe that this was a setup which has worked beyond expectation.
His father is a sharia law activist. (Parental guidance?) (http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/09/18/briefcase-clock-maker-ahmed-mohamed-is-son-of-muslim-activist/)
You have been had (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/18/if-it-walks-like-an-influence-operation/)
Yep, they played the system quite well, and it paid off for a while. But now the gig is up.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 22, 2015, 10:09:36 AM
Yep, they played the system quite well, and it paid off for a while. But now the gig is up.
OMG! The kid is a supervillian with mind control powers! How will the Justice League save us from his dastardly plan to rule the world?!
Quote from: CrucifyCindy on September 22, 2015, 10:57:01 AM
OMG! The kid is a supervillian with mind control powers! How will the Justice League save us from his dastardly plan to rule the world?!
Which part of "they" don't you understand?
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 22, 2015, 11:58:13 AM
Which part of "they" don't you understand?
And who exactly is "they"? I hear a lot about "they". The other day I heard someone talking how "they" are responsible why the rent is so damn high.
Quote from: CrucifyCindy on September 22, 2015, 12:04:45 PM
And who exactly is "they"? I hear a lot about "they". The other day I heard someone talking how "they" are responsible why the rent is so damn high.
"They" is found in PR126's linky. That would explainy for youy.
Quote from: CrucifyCindy on September 22, 2015, 12:04:45 PM
And who exactly is "they"? I hear a lot about "they". The other day I heard someone talking how "they" are responsible why the rent is so damn high.
Yeah, like they as in the family, in particular his father, Mohamed El-Hassan Mohamed, who ran twice for the presidency in Sudan. That he is a politician should raise eyebrows. He was also involved in a mock trial against Terry Jones. He is also known as a Sharia Law activist. No sooner was his son arrested, the mayor of the town was attacked by the Muslim community not because of the school incident but because the mayor had moved against the implementation of Sharia Law in early spring. Perhaps the boy's mishap is just that, a mishap. Perhaps NOT.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 22, 2015, 08:51:43 AM
it was not only after the 6th class that a teacher reacted differently - [. . .] going from class to class without engaging with any of the 6 teachers he met with that day
I'm curious where you found out which class period it was where the teacher took the clock. I've looked and have been unable to find source that put a time to it.
Quote from: Poison Tree on September 22, 2015, 01:10:38 PM
I'm curious where you found out which class period it was where the teacher took the clock. I've looked and have been unable to find source that put a time to it.
Mark Cuban made that revelation on Bill Maher show on HBO. He had contact the kid, like many other celebrities, and had asked the kid certain details about what exactly had happened in school.
Here's the clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGit-XltUB4
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 22, 2015, 02:16:10 PM
Mark Cuban made that revelation on Bill Maher show on HBO. He had contact the kid, like many other celebrities, and had asked the kid certain details about what exactly had happened in school.
So you beleive the anecdotes of a meatheaded jock is an accurate source of information?
Quote from: CrucifyCindy on September 22, 2015, 02:41:03 PM
So you beleive the anecdotes of a meatheaded jock is an accurate source of information?
He has every interest in lying, riiiight...
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 22, 2015, 02:44:40 PM
He has every interest in lying, riiiight...
Yeah right..D-list celebrities bullshitting on cable talk shows never happens
Quote from: CrucifyCindy on September 22, 2015, 02:47:54 PM
Yeah right..D-list celebrities bullshitting on cable talk shows never happens
Yep, everything you see on cable TV is bullshitting, riiight...
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 22, 2015, 02:49:23 PM
Yep, everything you see on cable TV is bullshitting, riiight...
For the most part...yes. I have seen Fox news.
Quote from: CrucifyCindy on September 22, 2015, 02:57:39 PM
For the most part...yes. I have seen Fox news.
So having seen Fox News, you can logically say that every cable news network is more or less most of the times bullshitting. Great thinking!?!!?
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 22, 2015, 03:01:18 PM
So having seen Fox News, you can logically say that every cable news network is more or less most of the times bullshitting. Great thinking!?!!?
Yes I do especially poor copies of The Daily Show produce by HBO. Does that make me a bad person?
Quote from: CrucifyCindy on September 22, 2015, 03:07:15 PM
Yes I do especially poor copies of The Daily Show produce by HBO. Does that make me a bad person?
Bill Maher is not the daily show, and most likely doesn't care about Jon Stewart, let alone trying to copy his show, whatever... but on that basis, you can automatically deduce that Mark Cuban was lying. Great thinking. Keep that up and I'll nominate you for the next Noble prize in... oh wait, there's no such thing as a Noble prize for those who make bullshit about anything they don't agree with. Sorry!
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 22, 2015, 03:15:52 PM
Bill Maher is not the daily show, and most likely doesn't care about Jon Stewart, let alone trying to copy his show, whatever... but on that basis, you can automatically deduce that Mark Cuban was lying. Great thinking. Keep that up and I'll nominate you for the next Noble prize in... oh wait, there's no such thing as a Noble prize for those who make bullshit about anything they don't agree with. Sorry!
So basically you are defending some bullshit you heard on a cable comedy show expressed by a meatheaded jock as accurate. I am kind of befuddled as to why you think this is an argument you can win. Please explain.
Quote from: CrucifyCindy on September 22, 2015, 03:36:18 PM
So basically you are defending some bullshit you heard on a cable comedy show expressed by a meatheaded jock as accurate. I am kind of befuddled as to why you think this is an argument you can win. Please explain.
It's not a win, I'm just exposing the kind of crap thinking you keep spewing on this forum. Mark Cuban is a meatheadded jock; Bill Maher is not up to par with the Daily Show; cable TV is like Fox News, all crap... blah, blah, blah... All expressions you give out as if these were facts - NO THERE NOT FACTS JUST YOUR FUCKING OPINIONS - but you think you've got it right, everyone else is bullshitting. No, the fucking bullshit is coming right out from your two-pea-sized little brain.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Rc8k_D3yYoE/Tw4IyOKMysI/AAAAAAAAAls/awgasVzJMfA/s320/Stephen-Colbert-Popcorn.gif)
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 22, 2015, 02:16:10 PM
Mark Cuban made that revelation on Bill Maher show on HBO. He had contact the kid, like many other celebrities, and had asked the kid certain details about what exactly had happened in school.
Here's the clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGit-XltUB4
So you are willing to conclude that the kid was trolling through teachers looking for one who would act out and give him publicity because school officials (who were under legal obligation not to release information) told Mark Cuban, "second hand", what really happened
Quote from: Poison Tree on September 22, 2015, 04:27:58 PM
So you are willing to conclude that the kid was trolling through teachers looking for one who would act out and give him publicity because school officials (who were under legal obligation not to release information) told Mark Cuban, "second hand", what really happened
I wouldn't go solely on Cuban's account, but as I mentioned in my post above (#100), you need to look at his family, in particular his father, Mohamed El-Hassan Mohamed, who ran twice for the presidency in Sudan, a politician who was also involved in a mock trial against Terry Jones, and also known as a Sharia Law activist.
There is also the fact that no sooner was the kid arrested, the mayor of the town was attacked by the Muslim community not because of the school incident but because the mayor had moved against the implementation of Sharia Law.
In that context, it isn't a story about just a brilliant student who invented ( Not really, more like building) a clock, who was arrested just because he is a Muslim. There's a lot more to that.
QuoteI wouldn't go solely on Cuban's account, but as I mentioned in my post above (#100), you need to look at his family, in particular his father, Mohamed El-Hassan Mohamed, who ran twice for the presidency in Sudan, a politician who was also involved in a mock trial against Terry Jones, and also known as a Sharia Law activist.
This slander is getting a bit old.
http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php?article54000
Yes, a politician who called for Sudan to ratify human right laws and other intentional regulations on human rights... sounds like a really terrible guy. Just because Fox News and The Sun tell you he is some radical American hating Muslim doesn't make it so.
QuoteThere is also the fact that no sooner was the kid arrested, the mayor of the town was attacked by the Muslim community not because of the school incident but because the mayor had moved against the implementation of Sharia Law.
Yeah, "no sooner"... even though those criticisms have been going on for nearly a month, something I posted an article about 3 weeks or so ago.
Having to result to misinformation, slander and blatant lies is hardly a convincing argument... wait, lying, Muslims are allowed to do that... OH MY GOD, YOU TWO ARE MOOSLIMS!
Illumnati CONFIRRRMED!!!
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 22, 2015, 04:54:49 PM
I wouldn't go solely on Cuban's account, but as I mentioned in my post above (#100), you need to look at his family, in particular his father, Mohamed El-Hassan Mohamed, who ran twice for the presidency in Sudan, a politician who was also involved in a mock trial against Terry Jones, and also known as a Sharia Law activist.
"Known as a Sharia Law activist" who's Sudanese presidential platform called for the abolition of apostasy laws, the institution of "laws that conform to international conventions on human rights that would achieve social justice and assert individual freedoms" and complying with all international treaties that deal with human rights. Too bad he only received 0.76% of the votes in 2015 (and wasn't even on the ballot in 2010).
Quote from: Poison Tree on September 22, 2015, 05:26:56 PM
Too bad he only received 0.76% of the votes in 2015 (and wasn't even on the ballot in 2010).
well good heavens that certainly looks like the majority of mooslims are actually moderates eh?
Quote from: aitm on September 22, 2015, 05:37:46 PM
well good heavens that certainly looks like the majority of mooslims are actually moderates eh?
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P.S. - Still waiting for evidence where I made something up. Also, I am sure you are going to hold PR and J. to the same standards, amirite?
Quote from: Shiranu on September 22, 2015, 05:43:56 PM
"Known as a Sharia Law activist" who's Sudanese presidential platform called for the abolition of apostasy laws, the institution of "
laws that conform to international conventions on human rights that would achieve social justice and assert individual freedoms" and complying with all international treaties that deal with human rights. And he received less that 1% of the vote. OH yeah preach on shir how the mooslims are mostly moderate….
Quote from: Poison Tree on September 22, 2015, 05:26:56 PM
"Known as a Sharia Law activist" who's Sudanese presidential platform called for the abolition of apostasy laws, the institution of "laws that conform to international conventions on human rights that would achieve social justice and assert individual freedoms" and complying with all international treaties that deal with human rights. Too bad he only received 0.76% of the votes in 2015 (and wasn't even on the ballot in 2010).
Fine, he's a politician, and saying the pc right thing when you don't have a chance of winning doesn't merit much in my book. I'm not saying that the guy has evil intentions. I don't know him. I don't know Mark Cuban either. Is he lying? I don't know. Is he telling the truth? I don't know. I wasn't there. You weren't there. Do we know that what comes out from the media true? Not really.
But in the context of what has come out, anyone who holds to the view that
this is a story of a young man arrested because he is a Muslim is a bit naïve.
Quote from: aitm on September 22, 2015, 05:48:43 PM
"Known as a Sharia Law activist" who's Sudanese presidential platform called for the abolition of apostasy laws, the institution of "laws that conform to international conventions on human rights that would achieve social justice and assert individual freedoms" and complying with all international treaties that deal with human rights.
And he received less that 1% of the vote. OH yeah preach on shir how the mooslims are mostly moderate….
Lol. And Russia is still deeply homophobic. OH yeah, preach on how the West is mostly moderate...
Still waiting to see what was made up, and for you to hold PR and J. to hold to the same standards.
QuoteBut in the context of what has come out, anyone who holds to the view that this is a story of a young man arrested because he is a Muslim is a bit naïve.
Do tell, what was the police's motivation then given that no one apparently ever thought it really was a bomb or even a bomb threat?
Quote from: Shiranu on September 22, 2015, 05:53:06 PM
Do tell, what was the police's motivation then given that no one apparently ever thought it really was a bomb or even a bomb threat?
You would have to ask them. Good luck.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 22, 2015, 02:16:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGit-XltUB4
Here is something I don't understand: when Jorge Ramos says this was because the teen was Muslim, Bill Maher vehemently objects. But Maher also goes on a speal about how the arrest was understandable because, in part, young Muslim men blow shit up. Doesn't this imply that even Maher thinks that the teen being a Muslim had a little something to do with his being arrested?
Quote from: Poison Tree on September 22, 2015, 06:30:50 PM
Here is something I don't understand: when Jorge Ramos says this was because the teen was Muslim, Bill Maher vehemently objects. But Maher also goes on a speal about how the arrest was understandable because, in part, young Muslim men blow shit up. Doesn't this imply that even Maher thinks that the teen being a Muslim had a little something to do with his being arrested?
Yes, but you need to take his statement in the context of what was being discussed in that show: not more than 25 miles away from the school incident, a Muslim extremist attempted to kill a cartoonist who had drawn a picture of Mohammed, that the student had not engaged the teachers when he presented himself in several classes with the clock, and for a teacher refusing to alert the authorities solely on the ground that it might be due his "white privilege", which Maher said in a mocking tone. I believe that Maher's statement about the young teen being a Muslim must be taken in that context. You can't just focus on a statement, and disregard the context in which it was said.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 22, 2015, 06:27:10 PM
You would have to ask them. Good luck.
Right.
So in a state renowned for it's bigotry, it's completely irrational to believe that police arrested a kid of colour and the wrong religion because of bigotry... especially when they admit he did nothing wrong and no one believed it was a bomb (hence the reason 0 protocol for bomb threats being followed). All in a city that is recently dealing with a non-issue of, "OMG SHARIA TAKING OVER!!! MUSLIMS ARE GOING TO GET US!".
Yeah, that seems totally improbable, especially considering when the same thing happens with a white kid bringing a clock or an actual bomb to school (as linked before) there is no reaction from anyone; the teachers, the police, no one.
I am sure his minority status didn't at all play a role.
Why is everyone so quick to jump on the bandwagon of, "DEM TEXANS SURE BE BIGOTS!", but as soon as the bigotry is against someone they don't like... "Nah, Texas? I could never imagine bigotry happening there! It has to be the minorities' fault! Look... here is 6 pages of lies, clearly it was all the brown guys fault!".
Weird how that works...
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 22, 2015, 06:49:41 PM
Yes, but you need to take his statement in the context of what was being discussed in that show: not more than 25 miles away from the school incident, a Muslim extremist attempted to kill a cartoonist who had drawn a picture of Mohammed, that the student had not engaged the teachers when he presented himself in several classes with the clock, and for a teacher refusing to alert the authorities solely on the ground that it might be due his "white privilege", which Maher said in a mocking tone. I believe that Maher's statement about the young teen being a Muslim must be taken in that context. You can't just focus on a statement, and disregard the context in which it was said.
I don't think I did disregard the context. Surly the mention of the nearness of a Muslim terrorist attack only serves to emphasize Maher's point that we have reason to be suspect of Muslims--not only do they blow things up, but they shot (or tried to shoot) people recently and close to this school. Yes, Maher mentioned other factors--"in part" was intended to signal my recognition of that--but surly the focus on Muslims as terrorists and the recent Muslim terror attack in Texas were indications that Maher believes that the teen being a Muslim did and, in Maher's opinion, should have played a roll in the response to the device he brought to school.
Quote from: Shiranu on September 22, 2015, 06:58:03 PM
Right.
So in a state renowned for it's bigotry, it's completely irrational to believe that police arrested a kid of colour and the wrong religion because of bigotry... especially when they admit he did nothing wrong and no one believed it was a bomb (hence the reason 0 protocol for bomb threats being followed). All in a city that is recently dealing with a non-issue of, "OMG SHARIA TAKING OVER!!! MUSLIMS ARE GOING TO GET US!".
Yeah, that seems totally improbable, especially considering when the same thing happens with a white kid bringing a clock or an actual bomb to school (as linked before) there is no reaction from anyone; the teachers, the police, no one.
I am sure his minority status didn't at all play a role.
Why is everyone so quick to jump on the bandwagon of, "DEM TEXANS SURE BE BIGOTS!", but as soon as the bigotry is against someone they don't like... "Nah, Texas? I could never imagine bigotry happening there! It has to be the minorities' fault! Look... here is 6 pages of lies, clearly it was all the brown guys fault!".
Weird how that works...
Please cut out the crap, and stick to the issue. The boy was arrested on suspicion. There was no bomb. He was released. That would have been the end if the story had it not been sensationalized. You would have to ask why it was sensationalized ? Who has profited from that? Certainly, not the police.
Quote from: Poison Tree on September 22, 2015, 07:07:24 PM
I don't think I did disregard the context. Surly the mention of the nearness of a Muslim terrorist attack only serves to emphasize Maher's point that we have reason to be suspect of Muslims--not only do they blow things up, but they shot (or tried to shoot) people recently and close to this school. Yes, Maher mentioned other factors--"in part" was intended to signal my recognition of that--but surly the focus on Muslims as terrorists and the recent Muslim terror attack in Texas were indications that Maher believes that the teen being a Muslim did and, in Maher's opinion, should have played a roll in the response to the device he brought to school.
Yes, he acknowledged it, but as I previously said, it was said within a context of several facts. I don't remember him saying that:
just on the fact he was Muslim, and only that fact alone, he should be arrested!!!
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 22, 2015, 07:15:29 PM
I don't remember him saying that: just on the fact he was Muslim, and only that fact alone, he should be arrested!!!
Nor do I remember saying that he did.
Irving Mayor: Ahmed Mohamed’s Family Blocking Release of Records; Obama Tweeted Support Even Before “Clock†Pic Released (http://townhall.com/columnists/kyleshideler/2015/09/22/irving-mayor-ahmed-mohameds-family-blocking-release-of-records-obama-tweeted-support-even-before-clock-pic-released-n2055545)
QuoteLast night, Irving Texas Mayor Beth Van Duyne revealed that the family of Ahmed Mohammed has repeatedly refused to meet with city officials, refused to released records exonerating police conduct, and that President Obama had tweeted about the case even before pictures of the so-called “clock†were publicly available.
Appearing on Glenn Beck’s The Blaze TV, Van Duyne noted how reporting on the interaction between Mohammed and police had been remarkably one-sided, in part because the Mohammed family refused to release records noting:
“As a juvenile, they can not release those records. The school district, a number of times, has asked the family, to release the records, so that you can have the balanced story out there. The family is ignoring the request from the ISD.â€
Van Duyne told Beck it would “help to describe why it progressed as it did†if the records were available. “Nobody is going to walk in and say, ‘oh you’re a 14-year old child, you’re totally cooperating, we have all the answers we need, let’s arrest you,’†Van Duyne added.
A spokesperson for the Irving Police Department has said there have been multiple open records requests for the full police reporting, but that those requests remained in the hands of the city’s legal advisor. The available police report describes the event only as, “…Arrestee being in possession of a hoax bomb at MacArthur High School.â€
Van Duyne said that according to the information she had seen, Mohammed had been “non-responsive†and “passive aggressive†in response to questions from police officers.
The refusal to amiably resolve the situation continued as the family rushed to bring Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) representatives into the case, and repeatedly cancelled meetings with the school district and city officials before finally speaking to the media.
“We had tried to reach out to the family a number of times; this was before it ever even hit the papers on Wednesday,†Van Duyne said pointing out that the family repeatedly canceled attempts to discuss the matter.
“At the exact same time they were supposed to be meeting with us, they were on their front lawn with a press conference,“ she said.
Van Duyne also pointed out that President Obama, like many others, had rushed to judgment before the facts in the case had become available.
“We never even got a call from anybody at the White House asking to verify any of that information. I don’t think the picture of the hoax bomb was even released before he tweeted ‘cool clock kid.’†Van Duyne said.
Cui bono?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WV2EdDGq5I
And now Glenn Beck's program is being cited.
Tier 1 brilliance. I tip my hat to you, dear sir, you have outdone yourself.
Quote from: Shiranu on September 23, 2015, 01:42:29 AM
And now Glenn Beck's program is being cited.
Tier 1 brilliance. I tip my hat to you, dear sir, you have outdone yourself.
I am still waiting for someone to cite Alex Jones. Afterall Mark Cuban is now an accurate source of information they might as well go balls out and cite Alex Jones or maybe Bristol Palin
Quote from: stromboli on September 21, 2015, 01:35:41 PM
Either way it is a fine example of over reacting to a kid with a science project. School over reacted, cops over reacted, the media, everybody. 20 years ago this would never have happened and been a non issue. I'm smart enough to know the difference between a radio and a bomb. That the school people didn't think this kid was safe after attending there for some period smacks of homophobia- more focused on his last name than on his schooling or his attendance. Silliness all the way around.
But why did they over react? That's the thing, isn't it? It's not 20 years. just before 9/11 is fine.
9/11 was over 10 years ago, but I think it wouldn't matter if it was 10 or 40 years ago. The media in this country has a way of fear-mongering things to make people feel like it just happened only an hour ago. This is (in part) a result of that.
Quote from: Poison Tree on September 22, 2015, 07:29:11 PM
Nor do I remember saying that he did.
Please see pr's video reply#133, in which it is said that the boy went from class to class, which is what Mark Cuban also said, even that the engineering teacher had warned the boy not to show to anyone else, and the boy ignored that warning.
Quote from: Shiranu on September 23, 2015, 01:42:29 AM
And now Glenn Beck's program is being cited.
Tier 1 brilliance. I tip my hat to you, dear sir, you have outdone yourself.
Those incidents were also reported by other media. I supposed from your pov, they are all conspiring when events contradict your cherish beliefs. Keep up with your knee-jerk reaction. You're doing fine.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 23, 2015, 02:00:47 AM
But why did they over react? That's the thing, isn't it? It's not 20 years. just before 9/11 is fine.
There was an attempt to kill a cartoonist that had drawn pictures of Mohammed in Garland Texas, 25 miles from Irving Texas. So overreaction? Perhaps, but not necessarily so.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 23, 2015, 07:30:09 AM
There was an attempt to kill a cartoonist that had drawn pictures of Mohammed in Garland Texas, 25 miles from Irving Texas. So overreaction? Perhaps, but not necessarily so.
Really? That kid didn't register to school just a few months ago. He is a student of that school. Neither he went into some public building as a perfect stranger during some exhibition or a special event or some other place he wasn't belonged to.
He made a clock and brought it to his class in his school who has every information about him. That's it. And he was arrested for not making a 'broader explanation' than making a clock for the science class.
You people are trying so hard to normalise this and chalk it up to some 'safety issue' you are out of rational approach and it's bordering 'lying to oneself'. Ahmed got arrested because he is a muslim kid. And he wouldn't if he was a Christian boy.
This is a photo of a 14 year old NERD. Not a terrorist.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPAFMKrUkAABI2a.jpg)
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 23, 2015, 08:05:35 AM
Really? That kid didn't register to school just a few months ago. He is a student of that school. Neither he went into some public building as a perfect stranger during some exhibition or a special event or some other place he wasn't belonged to.
He made a clock and brought it to his class in his school who has every information about him. That's it. And he was arrested for not making a 'broader explanation' than making a clock for the science class.
You people are trying so hard to normalise this and chalk it up to some 'safety issue' you are out of rational approach and it's bordering 'lying to oneself'. Ahmed got arrested because he is a muslim kid. And he wouldn't if he was a Christian boy.
Lets look at the facts: the boy brought a clock-in-a-case that looked like a hoax bomb to the uninformed into school; his engineering teacher told him not to show it around, yet he showed it around; the police showed up, and he was allegedly uncooperative; they decided he was innocent and released him.
There's no scandal here, and definitely not worthy of national attention. So ask the hard questions: why was it sensationalized? And who is profiting from this?
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 23, 2015, 08:14:04 AM
Lets look at the facts: the boy brought a clock-in-a-case that looked like a hoax bomb to the uninformed into school; his engineering teacher told him not to show it around, yet he showed it around; the police showed up, and he was allegedly uncooperative; they decided he was innocent and released him.
There's no scandal here, and definitely not worthy of national attention. So ask the hard questions: why was it sensationalized? And who is profiting from this?
Ah no sorry. We have the cop's feed who arrested him. Did you see it? He is saying that the kid was arrested because he couldn't make an explanation for making a clock.
Facts; they handcuffed and arrested him, took his prints.
He has a record in the system as someone arrested for suspicion of terrorism. They suspended him for 3 days even though he was perfectly innocent and this was known. And had to leave the school afer all that shit. He won't have a normal life as a kid, highly likely nor as an adult. He wil be a target. Can you imagine the bullshit this kid will have to deal just in his next school?
These are going to follow him for the rest of his life, after that 'sensation' dies out soon he will be left alone to deal with it. It's the fucked up xenophobic American culture who put the kid in this position and it is AGAIN the fucked up American media who profits from it.
Why are you talking about the media sensation and the hype AS IF the kid planned all this to have that? The kid has nothing to do with any of this. Stop blaming the kid!
Like I said, people are trying so hard to normalise this just not to face what it really is, rationality is out of the window. That is more alarming than the whole event.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 23, 2015, 08:36:44 AM
Ah no sorry. We have the cop's feed who arrested him. Did you see it? He is saying that the kid was arrested because he couldn't make an explanation for making a clock.
Facts; they handcuffed and arrested him, took his prints. He has a record in the system as someone arrested for suspicion of terrorism. They suspended him for 3 days even though he was perfectly innocent and this was known. And had to leave the school afer all that shit. He won't have a normal life as a kid, highly likely nor as an adult. He wil be a target. Can you imagine the bullshit this kid will have to deal just in his next school?
These are going to follow him for the rest of his life, after that 'sensation' dies out soon he will be left alone to deal with it. It's the fucked up xenophobic American culture who put the kid in this position and it is AGAIN the fucked up American media who profits from it.
Why are you talking about the media sensation and the hype AS IF the kid planned all this to have that? The kid has nothing to do with any of this. Stop blaming the kid!
Like I said, people are trying so hard to normalise this just not to face what it really is, rationality is out of the window. That is more alarming than the whole event.
Just google hoax bombs in the US schools, and you will see that there are many such cases, and few made it in the national news. Also what the police did is standard practice. Also, some students were suspended for that kind of stuff. Here's few examples:
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fake-bomb-promposal-gets-washington-state-student-suspended-n347621
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_UwdI4kGtw
Here's case in which the kid was autistic, suspended just for DRAWING a bomb:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/autistic-boy-suspended-south-carolina-middle-school-drawing-cartoonish-picture-bomb-article-1.1487547
Also, I'm not implying the kid sensationalized this. But take a hard look at his father, a known politician who is extremely familiar with dealing with the media.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 23, 2015, 08:51:47 AM
Also, I'm not implying the kid sensationalized this. But take a hard look at his father, a known politician who is extremely familiar with dealing with the media.
So now the suspicious thing that the kid has a politician father -or some muslim politcians have kids or that they are living in the US?- or that a politician is familiar with dealing with media? Do you know a successful politician who is not familiar with dealing with the media? You are out of things to make up, aren't you?
The politician father is the reason to the high profile invitation to the White House. Saudi Arabia is an important and privileged ally of United States of America. OIL.
The example you gave is irrelevant and nothing to compare with Ahmed's case.
The only thing I see that how hard the American society is trying to make this into something it is not and how it is falling apart from every side.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 23, 2015, 11:07:05 AM
The politician father is the reason to the high profile invitation to the White House.
That answers the question: who is profiting from this.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 23, 2015, 11:07:05 AM
Saudi Arabia is an important and privileged ally of United States of America. OIL.
The father is from Sudan. Get your facts straightened out.
QuoteThe only thing I see that how hard the American society is trying to make this into something it is not and how it is falling apart from every side.
What I see is a disservice to the Muslim community. By acting with a knee-jerk reaction and giving the appearance of an opportunist, the father's action is a setback to the Muslim community as this incident-turned-fiasco will be used in the future as an example of the community screaming "wolf" when there was nothing, and any legitimate outcry from that community will be quickly dismissed. You can thank Mohamed el-Hassan Mohamed for that.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 23, 2015, 11:58:05 AM
That answers the question: who is profiting from this.
I don't get why that changes anything about the insane xenophobia; specifically islamophobia, or the fact that the kid was arrested because he was a muslim.
Oh a politician is using something done to his family?! This must be a first in the US! /Sarcasm.
What is the point here, the politician using this opportunity or that it is NOT OK because he is not an American or a Christian one?
QuoteThe father is from Sudan. Get your facts straightened out.
My mistake. And then now it is actually even a bigger PR and targeting the muslim population in the world.
QuoteWhat I see is a disservice to the Muslim community. By acting with a knee-jerk reaction and giving the appearance of an opportunist, the father's action is a setback to the Muslim community as this incident-turned-fiasco will be used in the future as an example of the community screaming "wolf" when there was nothing, and any legitimate outcry from that community will be quickly dismissed. You can thank Mohamed el-Hassan Mohamed for that.
-> You realise that the kid was invited to the White House
by the president of the USA, right? The person nobody would question, if he didn't do it. And the reason he was invited was to COMPENSATE for and fix the comical, an embarassing international incident, right?
Why aren't you criticising the president, for making this something bigger than it is, if you think that way, but just call the father an opportunist? This is something that can whiten his son's position, have you ever thought of that? Besides, why wouldn't he go with it? And why would this be a 'disservice' to the muslim community AND by the way, which muslim community?
Why aren't you criticising the media for blowing it out of proportions? But insist on blaming the family? You sound like you don't know the media in your country. And if Obama didn't invite the kid, would they make it this big in the news? The highest ranking person in your country made this official.
Nobody is seeing this as you describe, Joseph. This is important in an interntaional level, not what Americans see in a domestic level, watching Bill Maher. This politics -inivitation- are NOT made for American society or people. And when a similar thing happens again, it will repeat itself.
The majority of the world is thinking "oh wow, this is fucked up". NOT making up a stories like, 'now if this happens again, then this will happen because this happened and this too in the future, because it is the father's fault and it is a disservice to the muslim community'.
What are you talking about?
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 23, 2015, 01:25:02 PM
Why aren't you criticising the president, for making this something bigger than it is, if you think that way, but just call the father an opportunist?
I believe that Obama, along many celebrities, got sucked in. Yes, at first view, it did look like the boy was arrested because he is a Muslim, as the father decried. But other facts came out, and the situation is no longer that clear. Now had the father come out in 6 months from now, had conducted a thorough inquiry and then had shown that all the facts he had uncovered pointed to his claim, then I would be taking him seriously. But that's not what happened. Within two hours of the release of his son, he called a press conference and made his claim. That is an indication of a knee-jerk reaction, to say the least, and more cynically, the work of an opportunist.
QuoteWhy aren't you criticising the media for blowing it out of proportions?
It was blown out proportions from the father's quickly calling a press conference. The father, well known by the media, knew this would make the headlines. Otherwise, no one would be talking about it.
QuoteYou sound like you don't know the media in your country.
He's a tip for you. If you want to know what's happening in the States, you need to read from both the Left and the Right, to get all the pieces. If you read only Left-wing media, you get half the facts, half the story and a lot of knee-jerk reactions. If you read only Right-wing media, you'll get half the facts, half the stories, and not necessarily the same as from your Left-wing media, and a lot of distortions. But that's the only way you can get a good glimpse of what takes place. I happen to be neither on the Left, nor on the Right. So I don't shy from reading from both sides. Failing to read from both sides and you'll get it wrong, 100% of the time.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 23, 2015, 01:49:34 PM
Here's a tip for you. If you want to know what's happening in the States
...never listen to Mark Cuban's bullshit.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 23, 2015, 01:49:34 PM
I believe that Obama, along many celebrities, got sucked in. Yes, at first view, it did look like the boy was arrested because he is a Muslim, as the father decried. But other facts came out, and the situation is no longer that clear. Now had the father come out in 6 months from now, had conducted a thorough inquiry and then had shown that all the facts he had uncovered pointed to his claim, then I would be taking him seriously. But that's not what happened. Within two hours of the release of his son, he called a press conference and made his claim. That is an indication of a knee-jerk reaction, to say the least, and more cynically, the work of an opportunist.
Of course he got sucked in. But why did he feel like he had to invite the kid? He could have just made a mention one of his coming speechs? He didn't have to make it a big show. Forget Mark Zuckerberg, how about Hillary?
OK, then let me learn those other facts too? I am asking an honest question. What are those facts that proves this is not what it looks?
And I still don't get why the father making a press conference is a big issue. He is a politician and isn't he expected to do something like this?
Celebrities with less importance cannot shag, shit or breed without makinga press conference in the US. If this came out after 6 months then you would probbaly say, 'why did he wait for that long, but make this known after it happened?' wouldn't you?
Sounds like you are blaming the father for integrating into American society too well.
QuoteIt was blown out proportions from the father's quickly calling a press conference. The father, well known by the media, knew this would make the headlines. Otherwise, no one would be talking about it.
Again, why this is an issue?
QuoteHe's a tip for you. If you want to know what's happening in the States, you need to read from both the Left and the Right, to get all the pieces. If you read only Left-wing media, you get half the facts, half the story and a lot of knee-jerk reactions. If you read only Right-wing media, you'll get half the facts, half the stories, and not necessarily the same as from your Left-wing media, and a lot of distortions. But that's the only way you can get a good glimpse of what takes place. I happen to be neither on the Left, nor on the Right. So I don't shy from reading from both sides. Failing to read from both sides and you'll get it wrong, 100% of the time.
Joseph, I have seen the news in the
Jerusalam Post first. You don't get more right and religious and against islam than that. And then I googled it and posted here.
:sign0023:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 23, 2015, 02:07:13 PM
OK, then let me learn those other facts too? I am asking an honest question. What are those facts that proves this is not what it looks?
Fact: engineering teacher told the kid not to show it to other class, and kid ignored that warning.
Fact: kid brought the thing to several classes. It was an English teacher who was concerned and reported it to the school administration. That's her job.
Fact: the clock was not a class assignment, and therefore bringing it along, with the fact that it can be taken as an explosive device by the uninformed it could cause suspicion, and the kid knew about that way before bringing the thing into school.
Fact: kid was unresponsive when interrogated by the police as to his motivation of why he brought the thing to school. Granted as young as he is, he might have not been savvy in his response, but you can't blame the cops for the arrest. They really had little choice at this point. Under Texan law, even a hoax bomb gets you in the slammer.
Fact: Father calls a press conference, that his son was arrested because he is a Muslim, when he has not a shred of any evidence for his claim. What follows is sensationalism at its best.
QuoteJoseph, I have seen the news in the Jerusalam Post first. You don't get more right and religious and against islam than that. And then I googled it and posted here.
You need to do better than that. Read Left and Right
from the US, not from Jerusalem or any other place.
How wonderful. Adults trolling a 14 year old kid. You must be proud of yourselves.
Quote from: CrucifyCindy on September 23, 2015, 02:53:31 PM
How wonderful. Adults trolling a 14 year old kid. You must be proud of yourselves.
Why don't you give that sound advice to the father who sensationalized the incident for his own personal gain.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 23, 2015, 03:01:27 PM
Why don't you give that sound advice to the father who sensationalized the incident for his own personal gain.
Yes, let's blame the guy who brought up an important issue, rather than the people who
didn't do their fucking job properly!
It looks jack-all like a bomb. If you think it looks like a bomb, that is your ignorance... not the kid's fault. Might as well start arresting kids who bite their cookie and make it look like a gun (wait...) or calling the police for someone carrying a piece of pvp in workshop. And apparently no one actually thought it was a bomb since there was no measures taken; no evacuations, no bomb squads, leaving the "bomb" unattended, etc. etc..
-No one claimed it was a bomb or made a threat.
-No one apparently ever thought it really was a bomb, hence the reaction.
-The object in question doesn't look remotely like a bomb.
So how is getting the police involved at all somehow a logical point to be at, where he would even be put in a situation to be arrested. At the very least, this shows terrible judgment on the part of the teachers. But it's the knee-jerk (and yes, that is what you people are doing... thanks for the projection) reaction of, "Oh my god! He MUST be lying because it made the news! It's a conspiracy!" that is the most pathetic.
You people are quoting fucking Glenn Beck's program, you are slandering a person you have never met and accusing them of being "radical Islamic Sharia-ists!" when in truth they were proponents of human rights and secularization (all to fit your little agenda) and trying to deflect the blame over and over to, "Oh my god, was it REALLLLLY a clock HE MADE THOUGH? THAT CHANGES EVERYYYTHING!!!"...
And when you get called on it, do you apologise? Do you admit your sources are AT BEST extremely dubious (akin to quoting FOX News as truth about Christianity's oppression in the states)? Do you admit that you are misleading by saying, "Muslims just started protesting!" when it's been pointed out that has been going on for awhile now? No, just more deflections and rather personal insults and closing your ears and saying, "Lalala, everyone who disagrees with me is an idiot!"
I'm sorry, but the only "knee jerk reaction" bullshit is the people who refuse to accept that a cigar is sometimes just a cigar... that a state that the forum continually lambastes for being bigoted suddenly could never be bigoted and it's just a misunderstanding that the minority guy had coming... in a city that has just recently passed laws against the "Radical Sharia Muslims" that
don't fucking exist in their community... that we have to scramble to find the most dubious and misleading sources because, "OH MY GOD, GOTTA PROVE IT'S A MEDIA CONSPIRACY TO MAKE AN ISSUE OUT OF A NON-ISSUE!"...
Btw aitm, still waiting for you to tell me which parts of my post were drivel and false. I have shown you the courtesy of doing so for yours, so if you could just point out which parts were incorrect, or get so toxic with your pals because how dare they lie! Danke.
Quote from: Shiranu on September 23, 2015, 04:00:29 PM
-No one apparently ever thought it really was a bomb, hence the reaction.
The English teacher thought otherwise and was alarmed enough to bring it up to the principal. She was there. You weren't. After that, the principal and the police followed standard procedure. You have no case.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 23, 2015, 04:22:02 PM
The English teacher thought otherwise and was alarmed enough to bring it up to the principal. She was there. You weren't. After that, the principal and the police followed standard procedure. You have no case.
http://safety.gsu.edu/emergency-management/hazards-threats/bomb-threat/
http://www.popcenter.org/problems/bomb_threats/PDFs/planCanada.pdf
https://www.diversifiedriskmanagement.com/articles/bomb-threats/
Would you like me to go on?
They didn't follow anything remotely resembling procedure for a bomb threat?
-Don't touch the bomb... oops.
-Get people away from the immediate vicinity of the bomb... oops.
-Do anything that even remotely looks like you are at all concerned about the potential bomb... oops...
Tell me, in what country do you live where, in time of bomb threat, the procedure is to pick up the bomb and carry it to an unattended office? I am quite curious, because here in America it is pretty common knowledge that you
don't fucking touch a potential bomb.
So again...
-No threat.
-Nothing that looks remotely like a bomb.
-Handling of the "potential bomb".
Yeah, tell me more how everything went to procedure and fit like a glove. Are you even reading the shit you post?
Quote from: Shiranu on September 23, 2015, 04:53:05 PM
They didn't follow anything remotely resembling procedure for a bomb threat?
No, but they did think it could be a hoax, and under the law that is still punishable. ( See: http://penalcode.austintexascriminaldefense.com/46.08.html). When they realized it might not even be a hoax, they released the kid. It should have been the end of that story. The guy that turned this unfortunate incident into a sensation is the father. No one else.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 23, 2015, 04:59:07 PM
No, but they did think it could be a hoax, and under the law that is still punishable. ( See: http://penalcode.austintexascriminaldefense.com/46.08.html). When they realized it might not even be a hoax, they released the kid. It should have been the end of that story. The guy that turned this unfortunate incident into a sensation is the father. No one else.
Nice moving goalposts.
For a hoax, it is the same procedure. And the moment you see a potential bomb you
DO NOT TOUCH IT.
No one
FUCKING CARES who turned it into a sensation. The fact that you are so fixating on that is silly... the fact of the matter is this was handled extremely poorly at best, and showed the bigotry inherent in our culture at worse. God forbid people point potential bigotry out in a case that reeks of it, what an asshole!
Quote from: Shiranu on September 23, 2015, 05:02:12 PM
Nice moving goalposts.
For a hoax, it is the same procedure.
No, it's not.
The only thing I'm fixated are the facts. And so it seems you are totally ignorant of them, here they are one more time:
Fact: engineering teacher told the kid not to show it to other class, and kid ignored that warning.
Fact: kid brought the thing to several classes. It was an English teacher who was concerned and reported it to the school administration. That's her job.
Fact: the clock was not a class assignment, and therefore bringing it along, with the fact that it can be taken as an explosive device by the uninformed it could cause suspicion, and the kid knew about that way before bringing the thing into school.
Fact: kid was unresponsive when interrogated by the police as to his motivation of why he brought the thing to school. Granted as young as he is, he might have not been savvy in his response, but you can't blame the cops for the arrest. They really had little choice at this point. Under Texan law, even a hoax bomb gets you in the slammer.
Fact: Father calls a press conference, that his son was arrested because he is a Muslim, when he has not a shred of any evidence for his claim. What follows is sensationalism at its best.
Now, if you can contradict those facts, I will listen. I will not listen to your rant, which is totally baseless so far. Deal with the facts.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 23, 2015, 05:08:56 PM
No, it's not.
The only thing I'm fixated are the facts. And so it seems you are totally ignorant of them, here they are one more time:
Fact: engineering teacher told the kid not to show it to other class, and kid ignored that warning.
Fact: kid brought the thing to several classes. It was an English teacher who was concerned and reported it to the school administration. That's her job.
Fact: the clock was not a class assignment, and therefore bringing it along, with the fact that it can be taken as an explosive device by the uninformed it could cause suspicion, and the kid knew about that way before bringing the thing into school.
Fact: kid was unresponsive when interrogated by the police as to his motivation of why he brought the thing to school. Granted as young as he is, he might have not been savvy in his response, but you can't blame the cops for the arrest. They really had little choice at this point. Under Texan law, even a hoax bomb gets you in the slammer.
Fact: Father calls a press conference, that his son was arrested because he is a Muslim, when he has not a shred of any evidence for his claim. What follows is sensationalism at its best.
Now, if you can contradict those facts, I will listen. I will not listen to your rant, which is totally baseless so far. Deal with the facts.
And where did you get all this information? And you better not say Mark Cuban.
Quote from: CrucifyCindy on September 23, 2015, 05:20:45 PM
And where did you get all this information? And you better not say Mark Cuban.
Google it.
QuoteThe only thing I'm fixated are the facts.
Deal with the facts.
Hmmm...
QuoteHe is also known as a Sharia Law activist.
QuoteNo sooner was his son arrested, the mayor of the town was attacked by the Muslim community not because of the school incident but because the mayor had moved against the implementation of Sharia Law in early spring.
Repeated lie number one, citing third hand evidence as solid evidence...
QuoteI wouldn't go solely on Cuban's account, but as I mentioned in my post above (#100), you need to look at his family, in particular his father, Mohamed El-Hassan Mohamed, who ran twice for the presidency in Sudan, a politician who was also involved in a mock trial against Terry Jones, and also known as a Sharia Law activist.
Repeating lie #2...
QuoteThere is also the fact that no sooner was the kid arrested, the mayor of the town was attacked by the Muslim community not because of the school incident but because the mayor had moved against the implementation of Sharia Law.
Admitting you don't know if the evidence is true or not, yet holding it as the golden standard to how we should view the case...
QuoteI'm not saying that the guy has evil intentions. I don't know him. I don't know Mark Cuban either. Is he lying? I don't know. Is he telling the truth? I don't know.
Taking third-hand evidence as the golden standard on how to view the case again...
Quote
Please see pr's video reply#133, in which it is said that the boy went from class to class, which is what Mark Cuban also said, even that the engineering teacher had warned the boy not to show to anyone else, and the boy ignored that warning.
Assumption on the motive of the cops with zero evidence and even admit "allegedly"...
Quotethe police showed up, and he was allegedly uncooperative...
You admit you don't know what happen, yet say with such conviction it was all a hoax.
QuoteBy acting with a knee-jerk reaction and giving the appearance of an opportunist, the father's action is a setback to the Muslim community as this incident-turned-fiasco will be used in the future as an example of the community screaming "wolf" when there was nothing, and any legitimate outcry from that community will be quickly dismissed.
This lie...
QuoteAfter that, the principal and the police followed standard procedure.
Look, at least just admit its your fucking opinion... but don't come in here acting like you are some saint of intelligence and your position is purely based on fact with not an iota of opinion to effect it. If you gave half a shit about the truth, you would be far more busy picking apart aitm and PR for blatant lies they posted... blatant lies that you then nodded your head and said, "Yup, yup! This here proves my point!".
You don't give a shit about the truth, you just want to find an excuse for having your opinion. Just have the balls to say it, at least aitm and PR don't try to hide their intentions behind this pompous wall of bullshit.
Quote from: Shiranu on September 23, 2015, 05:31:52 PM
you just want to find an excuse for having your opinion.
Yes I have an opinion, but it's based on facts, the facts that I gave you, but since you are still ignorant of those, I will repeat them.
Fact: engineering teacher told the kid not to show it to other class, and kid ignored that warning.
Fact: kid brought the thing to several classes. It was an English teacher who was concerned and reported it to the school administration. That's her job.
Fact: the clock was not a class assignment, and therefore bringing it along, with the fact that it can be taken as an explosive device by the uninformed it could cause suspicion, and the kid knew about that way before bringing the thing into school.
Fact: kid was unresponsive when interrogated by the police as to his motivation of why he brought the thing to school. Granted as young as he is, he might have not been savvy in his response, but you can't blame the cops for the arrest. They really had little choice at this point. Under Texan law, even a hoax bomb gets you in the slammer.
Fact: Father calls a press conference, that his son was arrested because he is a Muslim, when he has not a shred of any evidence for his claim. What follows is sensationalism at its best.
You're wasting time Joe, long before the facts have been made up the facts have been known, people have decided. Let's all wait for the dust to clear before we see if the hanged man is dead or not eh?
So supposedly Ben Carson said he made a million bucks in the 24 hours after he said that muslims should not be president. This addressees the base fear of people. We (atheists) have long known that fear is the driving force in religion, we cannot fight fear with rationalism, sometimes it cannot be fought with education. Fear is something that THEY must overcome.
Many of you think that people should simply "stop" having prejudices or even uncomfortable thoughts if they interfere with what you believe is rational. You already know that this is most likely not going to happen. When only two months ago muslims tried to attack an event only a few miles away you think that people would actually be able to ignore this when faced with even a remote possibility.
I walk my grandkid across the street when a person is biking down the sidewalk, it has nothing to do with the person or the bike but with the odds that in a given space things will collide. It is not rational perhaps but it is reaction.
IF, according to some sources, the family refused to talk to the school or the authorities in favor of talking to the press, then yes, I would like to know why would they NOT want to talk to the source?
Quote from: aitm on September 23, 2015, 08:10:25 PM
IF, according to some sources, the family refused to talk to the school or the authorities in favor of talking to the press, then yes, I would like to know why would they NOT want to talk to the source?
What I read so far is that the parents have refused to meet with city officials and refused to released records exonerating police conduct, I don't know about their refusal to meet with the school but it would be in character with the refusals I've just mentioned. The other hard question is: what are the evidence on which the father based his accusation that his son was arrested because he was Muslim? Did he look at all the facts that took place that day in school? I can understand he was upset, any parent would, but was his rant necessary, especially that he doesn't seem to have all the facts at hand, or he does know but refuses to release the report as it would negate the justification of his outrage.
There is more...
‘Man, I Went Viral’: My Day With Ahmed Mohamed, the Most Famous Boy on Earth (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/17/man-i-went-viral-my-day-with-ahmed-moahmed-the-most-famous-boy-on-earth.html)
Ahmed's sister:QuoteAfter the MSNBC segment, Eyman and I sit down in the hallway where she says the same thing happened to her as Ahmed.
“I got suspended from school for three days from this stupid same district, from this girl saying I wanted to blow up the school, something I had nothing to do with.â€
Eyman talks with the slightest lisp, almost imperceptible, but it becomes stronger as she gets emotional.
“I got suspended and I didn’t do anything about it and so when I heard about Ahmed, I was so mad because it happened to me and I didn’t get to stand up, so I’m making sure he’s standing up because it’s not right. So I’m not jealous, I’m kinda likeâ€"it’s like he’s standing for me.â€
Eyman said her suspension was in her first year of middle school, “my first year of attempting middle school in America. I knew English, but the culture was different, the people were different.â€
Eyman said her suspension was in her first year of middle school, “my first year of attempting middle school in America. I knew English, but the culture was different, the people were different.â€
This part of Texas is a hotbed of Islamophobia. Irving Mayor Beth Van Duyne in March claimed Muslim clergy were “bypassing American courts†by offering to mediate disputes between worshippers according to Islamic law. Residents of Farmersville last month fought against creation of a Muslim cemetery in their town. Garland was the site of a “draw Muhammad†contest hosted by anti-Islam activist Pamela Geller that was subsequently attacked by two gunmen inspired by ISIS.
Irving Mayor Beth Van Duyne is clearly an islamophobe. How dare she oppose Islamic (sharia) law?
Jospeh, you have said "But other facts came out, and the situation is no longer that clear." in your post. This gives the impression that some facts came out proving that something happened before the incident or that somehow this was planned. Or anything of that sort that would change what really happened. You are reporting like Fox news.
You are not telling anything we don't know. These are not some facts proving that Ahmed or his father did anything wrong. We know them and they are clear, the incident is clear until they can prove that something was at play before all this. And even in that situation a 14 year old is not responsible.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 23, 2015, 02:40:52 PM
Fact: engineering teacher told the kid not to show it to other class, and kid ignored that warning.
Really? Did the teacher tell the kid that he could have been arrested and got into serious trouble for showing his clock? And a 14 year old didn't listen his teacher for showing off? What a surprise.
And this is a fact that works pretty much against you and every other person who is still whining about it.
The teacher didn't take the clock from him, he knew it was perfectly harmless and guess what highly likely he examined it and look in to it. A 14 year old nerd kid would show off something he made to everyone AND this is not some fact against him in this case.
QuoteFact: kid brought the thing to several classes. It was an English teacher who was concerned and reported it to the school administration. That's her job.
Again, he would show it to other classes. This doesn't change anything. Yeah she did it because the kid is a muslim kid. That's the point. I am curious if she even asked the engineering teacher about it.
QuoteFact: the clock was not a class assignment, and therefore bringing it along, with the fact that it can be taken as an explosive device by the uninformed it could cause suspicion, and the kid knew about that way before bringing the thing into school.
That's not a fact Joseph. You have just madeit out of your ass.
No, a 14 year old kid wouldn't understand the grave danger of a xenophobic society. He cannot get it EVEN you wold say to him. He made something and wanted to show off. You are thinking like an adult.
QuoteFact: kid was unresponsive when interrogated by the police as to his motivation of why he brought the thing to school.
Again. Wrong. He wasn't unresponsive. He said why he did it, but cops weren't satisfied with the answer and they already said that "he couldn't give a 'broader answer' than making a clock to impress his science teacher". Trying to impress a science teacher is a pretty good motivation for a 14 year old nerd.
On the other hand, there is nothing wrong with a 14 year old kid staying unresponsive under those circumstances, he WOULD be unresponsive if cops handcuff him and pu him in an interrogation room. But according to the cops he wasn't. Adults gave this reaction.
QuoteGranted as young as he is, he might have not been savvy in his response, but you can't blame the cops for the arrest. They really had little choice at this point. Under Texan law, even a hoax bomb gets you in the slammer.
I do blame those cops morons for his arrest becaus ethey are guilty AND THEY DIDN'T DO THEIR JOB PROPERLY.
The thing is he DIDN'T HAVE A HOAX BOMB. His engineering teacher has already seen it. An authority figure didn't take it from him.
QuoteFact: Father calls a press conference, that his son was arrested because he is a Muslim, when he has not a shred of any evidence for his claim. What follows is sensationalism at its best.
His son was arrested because he is a muslim. Every parent who found that that their 14 year old kid was handcuffed, arrested and recorded as suspicious of something as serious as terrorist activity would do everything in their power to get their kid out in that position, if possible save his future.
Ahmed's father is a politician and he has the power of doing more than another one. He has resources, connection and he used them. There is NOTHING wrong or weird with it.
This is not some fact against him.
QuoteYou need to do better than that. Read Left and Right from the US, not from Jerusalem or any other place.
And I have. I have just seen it FIRST there.
Joseph, you and a group of other people bending side ways, backwards, twisting this and that way to find some way to blame the family and the kid; making up 'facts' from natural reactions of a 14 year old kid and a father trying to protect his son AND make something out of this, and I need to do better? PFFFFFFT
This is the point you arrived. And instead of recognising how fucked up it is, you choose to burry your hand in the sand and get back with 'father made it as a media sensation'. It's a fcuking spade. The kid got arrested because he is a muslim.
And exactly like Cindy says, you are trolling a 14 year old.
QuoteIrving Mayor Beth Van Duyne is clearly an islamophobe. How dare she oppose Islamic (sharia) law?
Well, considering it was less than a non-issue in Texas and no Muslim with even an iota of power inside the Islamic community was proposing it... yeah, it looks kinda goofy to wage war against it.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 24, 2015, 03:34:20 AM
Jospeh, you have said "But other facts came out, and the situation is no longer that clear." in your post. This gives the impression that some facts came out proving that something happened before the incident or that somehow this was planned. Or anything of that sort that would change what really happened. You are reporting like Fox news.
You are not telling anything we don't know. These are not some facts proving that Ahmed or his father did anything wrong. We know them and they are clear, the incident is clear until they can prove that something was at play before all this. And even in that situation a 14 year old is not responsible.
I'm not trying to prove that they did anything wrong. The issue at hand is what the father has claimed: that his son was arrested BECAUSE he is a Muslim. There is no proof in the events that took place that day. The kid took to school what could be taken as a bomb. A teacher reported it. The kid was arrested on suspicion of having a hoax bomb. When that was cleared, it was just a stupid clock, he was released. Case closed. The whole Muslim thing is just a pure fabrication.
Now had they arrested him BECAUSE HE IS A MUSLIM, then even after they found out that it was just a stupid clock, they would have continue to detain, since he is still a Muslim. And he would be right now in prison, since he is still a Muslim. Get it!!! And he better watch out, since he is still a Muslim, he will get arrested over and over until he is no longer a Muslim... duh...
Quote from: Shiranu on September 24, 2015, 04:20:18 AM
Well, considering it was less than a non-issue in Texas and no Muslim with even an iota of power inside the Islamic community was proposing it... yeah, it looks kinda goofy to wage war against it.
Muslims are ANGRY at Texas Mayor After She Stops “Sharia Courtâ€â€¦ Here Is Her EPIC Response! (http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/muslims-are-angry-at-texas-mayor-after-she-stops-sharia-court-here-is-her-epic-response/)
QuoteIn a very close 5-4 vote, the city of Irving ruled to back the Texas state bill banning foreign law from the state. The bill doesn’t mention Sharia or any religion, but it’s a huge defeat for Sharia supporters, as such courts are in violation of the U.S. Constitution.
Quote from: pr126 on September 24, 2015, 06:27:50 AM
Muslims are ANGRY at Texas Mayor After She Stops “Sharia Courtâ€â€¦ Here Is Her EPIC Response! (http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/muslims-are-angry-at-texas-mayor-after-she-stops-sharia-court-here-is-her-epic-response/)
Don't show that to the die-hard apologists - predictably, they are in denial.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 24, 2015, 05:55:54 AM
I'm not trying to prove that they did anything wrong. The issue at hand is what the father has claimed: that his son was arrested BECAUSE he is a Muslim. There is no proof in the events that took place that day. The kid took to school what could be taken as a bomb. A teacher reported it. The kid was arrested on suspicion of having a hoax bomb. When that was cleared, it was just a stupid clock, he was released. Case closed. The whole Muslim thing is just a pure fabrication.
Now had they arrested him BECAUSE HE IS A MUSLIM, then even after they found out that it was just a stupid clock, they would have continue to detain, since he is still a Muslim. And he would be right now in prison, since he is still a Muslim. Get it!!! And he better watch out, since he is still a Muslim, he will get arrested over and over until he is no longer a Muslim... duh...
Please make little sense. No, they wouldn't have continued to detain him. Why would they detain a 14 year old kid when it is obvious that he is innocent and it was nothing. This should be the point you get it, not me. They let him go because it was an obvious screw up. They
arrested him because he is a muslim in the first place.
The knee jerk reaction and clumsy fucked up position is belonged to the cops. They screwed up bad and it got huge.
You are bending backwards and forwards trying so hard NOT to see this as what it is, you started this conversation with how suspicious that the father 'being familiar dealing with the media' as a politician no less and then one by one you kept trying to paint everything as you'd like to see them. Surprise, it doesn't happen that way.
On the other hand, if the kid was a son of a well known christian and got in to some stupid trouble and ended the father trying to use anything in her power wouldn't even take attention.
If they have waited 6 month, people would go "why now and not then? Oh see now they are trying to get something out of it."
If the kids was a white christian kid, everyone wuold go "oh what did we become?!"
But now, doesn't matter who wants to paint it what way, this BOTHERS everyone. And the rest will come. Those cops did a very stupid thing when every thing was obvious and the reason is that the kid, is a muslim kid.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 24, 2015, 07:26:55 AM
Don't show that to the die-hard apologists - predictably, they are in denial.
Denial? EXACTLY like
Shiranu said, they have no power. So what
pr did was just to prove his point. Being angry doesn't give anyone a sharia law power in USA.
But then this post of yours explains a lot about your way of seeing the Islamic minority in the US. You cannot be taken seriously at all.
Most posters here have no clue what sharia is.
It can be found out, it is on the Internet, but why bother?
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 24, 2015, 07:31:19 AM
Please make little sense. No, they wouldn't have continued to detain him. Why would they detain a 14 year old kid when it is obvious that he is innocent and it was nothing. This should be the point you get it, not me. They let him go because it was an obvious screw up. They arrested him because he is a muslim in the first place.
The knee jerk reaction and clumsy fucked up position is belonged to the cops. They screwed up bad and it got huge.
You are bending backwards and forwards trying so hard NOT to see this as what it is, you started this conversation with how suspicious that the father 'being familiar dealing with the media' as a politician no less and then one by one you kept trying to paint everything as you'd like to see them. Surprise, it doesn't happen that way.
On the other hand, if the kid was a son of a well known christian and got in to some stupid trouble and ended the father trying to use anything in her power wouldn't even take attention.
If they have waited 6 month, people would go "why now and not then? Oh see now they are trying to get something out of it."
If the kids was a white christian kid, everyone wuold go "oh what did we become?!"
But now, doesn't matter who wants to paint it what way, this BOTHERS everyone. And the rest will come. Those cops did a very stupid thing when every thing was obvious and the reason is that the kid, is a muslim kid.
You're entitled to your opinion. And I'm entitled to disagree: none of the facts support your claim.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 24, 2015, 07:33:53 AM
Denial? EXACTLY like Shiranu said, they have no power. So what pr did was just to prove his point. Being angry doesn't give anyone a sharia law power in USA.
But then this post of yours explains a lot about your way of seeing the Islamic minority in the US. You cannot be taken seriously at all.
They have no power that doesn't mean they are not trying to get more power. It's a fact that many Muslims are trying in whatever way to get their Sharia law accepted in western countries. Sorry, but that has to be stopped at every corner where people are trying this.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 24, 2015, 07:40:29 AM
They have no power that doesn't mean they are not trying to get more power. It's a fact that many Muslims are trying in whatever way to get their Sharia law accepted in western countries. Sorry, but that has to be stopped at every corner where people are trying this.
Yeah. Sure. And the same goes for the United States of America and its policies. They have been trying to do that longer than Islamist extremists everywhere around the world. More power, more resource, more more more everything; invade, destory; kill and make that an industry and a job for your citizens.
Sorry, but that has to be stopped too. USA policies have fucked the world up for its own benefit and profit for a long time. Turns out you can't just do that and walk away and not expect nothing to happen, eh? I know that 239 years feel so long and established to you, but it is a little amount of time in history out of the USA time scale. And sooner or later it is going to happen. And it won't happen by any wars or even military conflict.
'America' will be a completely different country in the near future and people like you living then, will whine like the white Christians do right now.
But your 'Ä°slam is coming to get USA' paranoia is amusing. :lol:
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 24, 2015, 08:05:56 AM
Yeah. Sure. And the same goes for the United States of America and its policies. They have been trying to do that longer than Islamist extremists everywhere around the world. More power, more resource, more more more everything; invade, destory; kill and make that an industry and a job for your citizens.
That's why after Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the US turned around and told every country: surrender or we will nuke you... oh wait, that never happened...
QuoteSorry, but that has to be stopped too. USA policies have fucked the world up for its own benefit and profit for a long time.
Yes, the US did screw up. But to paint a wide brush over all American citizens is quite amazing on your part. Indeed, let us forget that many have opposed the actions of their government. They don't count.
Quote'America' will be a completely different country in the near future
I agree.
Quotewill whine like the white Christians do right now.
I have very little in common with the Christians. I despise them as much as I despise Muslims. They get equal treatment.
QuoteBut your 'Ä°slam is coming to get USA' paranoia is amusing. :lol:
Glad to have entertained you.
Joseph, I was talking about USA policies, NOT American people. And with 'kill and make that an industry and a job for your citizens' I meant how is the militarism in your country designed with those domestic and intenrational policies so it would work. It's a paid job. People get paid to travel to the other side of the world to invade and annihilate. Mercenary, hence the industry.
When I said 'like white christians' I meant people in your position then will be in theirs. Your opinions pretty much point to that.
USA doesn't need to threaten anyone with nukes. It's doing/has done a better job with many other ways. And you know that very well.
Overall, I was saying something good and saying 'let's look at it from this way'. So calm down. And let's drop this.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 24, 2015, 09:09:17 AM
Joseph, I was talking about USA policies, NOT American people. And with 'kill and make that an industry and a job for your citizens' I meant how is the militarism in your country designed with those domestic and intenrational policies so it would work. It's a paid job. People get paid to travel to the other side of the world to invade and annihilate. Mercenary, hence the industry.
I think there is a misconception, not only on your part, but many throughout the world that the US is in to create an empire. Most Americans are driven by capitalism, free enterprise and free trade. These people are very good at making money, and so of course, they see socialism/communism as bad since it's on the opposite side of the political spectrum. Now take Steve Jobs who took is manufacturing part of his business to China. For the detractors, he was exploiting the Chinese since they have low wages, low job security, and so on. If you had asked him, he would have said he was bringing jobs to a poor country, lifting their standard of living. Who is right? Depends on your point of view. Yes in that pursuit of the all-mighty dollar, the US often screwed up, but their intentions were never to enslave people, but rather free them with the naïve perception that they will embrace democracy and freedom which in that frame of mind means capitalism, free enterprise and free trade. Contrary to that wish, more often than not, it backfired as greed and corruption have a way of defeating your best intentions. Now that doesn't explain every action that the US has undertaken in the last 50 years. There were different administrations, with different plans. And to go into this would require a book of several hundreds of pages, not suitable for a post on an internet forum.
But thanks for the US IS OUT TO CONQUER THE WORLD. That was very entertaining. :lol:
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 24, 2015, 09:33:34 AM
I think there is a misconception, not only on your part, but many throughout the world that the US is in to create an empire. Most Americans are driven by capitalism, free enterprise and free trade. These people are very good at making money, and so of course, they see socialism/communism as bad since it's on the opposite side of the political spectrum. Now take Steve Jobs who took is manufacturing part of his business to China. For the detractors, he was exploiting the Chinese since they have low wages, low job security, and so on. If you had asked him, he would have said he was bringing jobs to a poor country, lifting their standard of living. Who is right? Depends on your point of view. Yes in that pursuit of the all-mighty dollar, the US often screwed up, but their intentions were never to enslave people, but rather free them with the naïve perception that they will embrace democracy and freedom which in that frame of mind means capitalism, free enterprise and free trade. Contrary to that wish, more often than not, it backfired as greed and corruption have a way of defeating your best intentions. Now that doesn't explain every action that the US has undertaken in the last 50 years. There were different administrations, with different plans. And to go into this would require a book of several hundreds of pages, not suitable for a post on an internet forum.
But thanks for the US IS OUT TO CONQUER THE WORLD. That was very entertaining. :lol:
Thank you Ayn Rand. Most amusing. pure capitalism is simply pure at heart. It's the people who screw it up. Well, Karl Marx would tell you the same about his brand of communism. It is pure at heart. It's only the people who screw it up. Same with all the religions of the world--they are all pure at heart.
As an example, the US went into Iraq for profit. Period. The political message was for expediency--that was a corporate driven decision. I don't care if you label it imperialism or not. It is still greed driven. Which is what unchecked capitalism will get you--greed. There is not perfect system. All need to be checked.
Some people are saying that Islam has no power, nothing to worry about.
Yet, it has changed the world in a way that we could not imagine it 20 years ago.
The evidence is for all to see, hear, or read about, unless one is willfully deaf blind and dumb.
Does any one think this will just blow over and everything will return to what it was? NO.
Europe is being over run by migrants. Will the USA escape this invasion?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbI4CFa9fpk
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 24, 2015, 08:05:56 AM
But your 'Ä°slam is coming to get USA' paranoia is amusing.
Well you have to admit, even you, that watching what Islam does to countries they do occupy is less than a stellar social success for all involved. So being a tad overzealous to prevent this may seem ridiculous to some. But then again, Turkey may be falling before our eyes and it will be too late to be overzealous then.
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 24, 2015, 09:43:43 AM
Thank you Ayn Rand. Most amusing. pure capitalism is simply pure at heart. It's the people who screw it up. Well, Karl Marx would tell you the same about his brand of communism. It is pure at heart. It's only the people who screw it up. Same with all the religions of the world--they are all pure at heart.
As an example, the US went into Iraq for profit. Period. The political message was for expediency--that was a corporate driven decision. I don't care if you label it imperialism or not. It is still greed driven. Which is what unchecked capitalism will get you--greed. There is not perfect system. All need to be checked.
Ayn Rand had little to do with US policies. Ask Ron Paul, and his son, Rand Paul. And it's a good thing. Ayn Rand is pure trash. And so are the political platforms of the these two.
I guess you overlooked the words "naïve perception". Read it again.
:lol:
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 24, 2015, 09:33:34 AM
I think there is a misconception, not only on your part, but many throughout the world that the US is in to create an empire. Most Americans are driven by capitalism, free enterprise and free trade. These people are very good at making money, and so of course, they see socialism/communism as bad since it's on the opposite side of the political spectrum. Now take Steve Jobs who took is manufacturing part of his business to China. For the detractors, he was exploiting the Chinese since they have low wages, low job security, and so on. If you had asked him, he would have said he was bringing jobs to a poor country, lifting their standard of living. Who is right? Depends on your point of view. Yes in that pursuit of the all-mighty dollar, the US often screwed up, but their intentions were never to enslave people, but rather free them with the naïve perception that they will embrace democracy and freedom which in that frame of mind means capitalism, free enterprise and free trade. Contrary to that wish, more often than not, it backfired as greed and corruption have a way of defeating your best intentions. Now that doesn't explain every action that the US has undertaken in the last 50 years. There were different administrations, with different plans. And to go into this would require a book of several hundreds of pages, not suitable for a post on an internet forum.
But thanks for the US IS OUT TO CONQUER THE WORLD.
Conquer? Have I ever used the word CONQUER in any of my post about USA policies. NO.
Because, when you can divide, mess up and suck the resource, and manipulating and crippling their own economies, installing dictators and playing war games IS FAR MORE PROFITABLE than CONQUERINGing the world. Capitalism works for the powerful and the rich.
Also it is hard to convert people to your culture when you invade their countries and kill them in masses. Guess why.
And you are unblievably naive. :lol:
QuoteThat was very entertaining. :lol:
Yeah and I wish you didn't miss it. :lol:
Quote from: aitm on September 24, 2015, 09:49:09 AM
Well you have to admit, even you, that watching what Islam does to countries they do occupy is less than a stellar social success for all involved. So being a tad overzealous to prevent this may seem ridiculous to some. But then again, Turkey may be falling before our eyes and it will be too late to be overzealous then.
Ah come on, do you relly believe islamists can get any influencial power in the US, aitm? :lol:
Yes Turkiye may fall. However, people already did get overzealous -and I mean the seculars- and that translates to far right nationality in that 'heat' (fear) and trust me it is not different than the other bullshit.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 24, 2015, 09:50:56 AM
Ayn Rand had little to do with US policies. Ask Ron Paul, and his son, Rand Paul. And it's a good thing. Ayn Rand is pure trash. And so are the political platforms of the these two.
I guess you overlooked the words "naïve perception". Read it again.
:lol:
Then why didn't you skip it and get to what he is really saying. Capitalism. How is that working for ya? :lol:
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 24, 2015, 09:50:56 AM
Ayn Rand had little to do with US policies. Ask Ron Paul, and his son, Rand Paul. And it's a good thing. Ayn Rand is pure trash. And so are the political platforms of the these two.
I guess you overlooked the words "naïve perception". Read it again.
:lol:
I overlooked nothing. Maybe you should ponder your own 'naive perception.'
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 24, 2015, 09:53:09 AM
Conquer? Have I ever used the word CONQUER in any of my post about USA policies.
No but it's your underlining point of view as you next paragraph indicates, :lol:
QuoteBecause, when you can divide, mess up and suck the resource, and manipulating and crippling their own economies, installing dictators and playing war games IS FAR MORE PROFITABLE than CONQUERINGing the world.
Yep, there goes the word CONQUERINGing. Yep, but the US does it but differently than say, the Romans. I get it.
QuoteCapitalism works for the powerful and the rich.
No kidding.
QuoteAlso it is hard to convert people to your culture when you invade their countries and kill them in masses.
No kidding.
QuoteAnd you are unblievably naive.
Yep, you've got that right. :lol:
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 24, 2015, 10:05:18 AM
I overlooked nothing. Maybe you should ponder your own 'naive perception.'
Why don't you get to the point, asshole.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 24, 2015, 09:57:17 AM
Ah come on, do you relly believe islamists can get any influencial power in the US, aitm? :lol:
There is that golden nugget of a old quote in part: give them an inch...
Here is what I think is going to happen. Within a few years, there will be another attack that is going to trigger Bubba, BillyBob, Jethro and the rest of their redneck buddies and people looking like Muslims are going to start being gunned down in the street, and mosques all over the country are going to be up in flames. Compared to a few of us in here that you think are "phobes" you ain't seen shit yet.
Quote from: aitm on September 24, 2015, 10:09:46 AM
There is that golden nugget of a old quote in part: give them an inch...
I didn't get a word from this. Sometimes you forget that I am not a native with Americanish.
QuoteHere is what I think is going to happen. Within a few years, there will be another attack that is going to trigger Bubba, BillyBob, Jethro and the rest of their redneck buddies and people looking like Muslims are going to start being gunned down in the street, and mosques all over the country are going to be up in flames. Compared to a few of us in here that you think are "phobes" you ain't seen shit yet.
First of all, I honestly, don't think people here are 'phobes' or believe that they would support any of that shit. We are talking in a forum. May be I am naive about that, dunno.
Secondly, I actually said similar things, including white christian nutjobs (scenarios) like in the past in this forum and I was blamed with 'hating Americans' and seeing them as 'murderers' over all. :lol: And what you are saying is not a surprising a bit.
Anyway, just 'pray' that Turkiye wouldn't fall, because if here becomes the 'inhabitable shit hole' you always think it is and I don't die, I may have to run away to the USA. :sad2: You wouldn't want that would you? :lol: If a sense similar to shivery comes to you, it could mean I stepped on US soil. I was offended you didn't feel it before. :snooty:
Give them an inch and they'll take a mile.
You are welcome here! How are you at making a sammich?
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 24, 2015, 10:07:32 AM
Why don't you get to the point, asshole.
My, you are so persuasive.
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 24, 2015, 10:30:42 AM
My, you are so persuasive.
What's to be persuasive with an asshole?!!? You've clearly entered into this discussion just to be an asshole. So get lost.
(http://i.imgur.com/soM0KMv.gif)
There are 57 Islamic Countries (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Organisation_of_Islamic_Cooperation_member_states_by_GDP_%28PPP%29). Any one of them is a stable, peaceful society with reasonable economies?
What do you think is the common cause for the moral, social, cultural, economic, intellectual failures that beset these countries?
Quote from: aitm on September 24, 2015, 10:28:30 AM
Give them an inch and they'll take a mile.
Aah. OK. and why don't you give this idea a chance in other disscussions we cannot agree? I will write that too you in the next one. You guess which one it is.
QuoteYou are welcome here! How are you at making a sammich?
*Rolls eyes.
E: And I saw the other post too. :axe:
Not to mention we have a world famous cuisine and you are asking for a sandwich. Americans? or Men? Can't decide. :lol:
Quote from: pr126 on September 24, 2015, 10:39:29 AM
There are 57 Islamic Countries (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Organisation_of_Islamic_Cooperation_member_states_by_GDP_%28PPP%29). Any one of them is a stable, peaceful society with reasonable economies?
What do you think is the common cause for the moral, social, cultural, economic, intellectual failures that beset these countries?
It's one of the reasons that sometimes I say, let ISIS run their caliphate. It won't take long before the people under their rule will see how rotten it is, and then I change my mind when I see millions who are displaced and fleeing for their lives, that has to be stopped.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 24, 2015, 10:54:33 AM
It's one of the reasons that sometimes I say, let ISIS run their caliphate. It won't take long before the people under their rule will see how rotten it is, and then I change my mind when I see millions who are displaced and fleeing for their lives, that has to be stopped.
If this is not a joke, you can't really be taken seriously and you don't know the first thing about what is happening in the world.
I am putting you on the same box with pr and baronvonrort box.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 24, 2015, 10:54:33 AM
It's one of the reasons that sometimes I say, let ISIS run their caliphate. It won't take long before the people under their rule will see how rotten it is, and then I change my mind when I see millions who are displaced and fleeing for their lives, that has to be stopped.
They are fleeing alright. But where are they fleeing to? Not to any Islamic country.
But who wants to stop them? Merkel, Hollande, Cameron, Obama? Not likely.
The new European:
(https://ejbron.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/screenshot_414.png)
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 24, 2015, 10:59:33 AM
If this is not a joke, you can't really be taken seriously and you don't know the first thing about what is happening in the world.
What joke? That I vacillate between "let ISIS RULE", and "let stop them"? If that's a joke for you, then whatever floats your boat.
QuoteI am putting you on the same box with pr and baronvonrort box.
Oooo, scary...
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 24, 2015, 11:09:44 AM
What joke? That I vacillate between "let ISIS RULE", and "let stop them"? If that's a joke for you, then whatever floats your boat.
Oooo, scary...
:neutral:
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 24, 2015, 10:34:02 AM
What's to be persuasive with an asshole?!!? You've clearly entered into this discussion just to be an asshole. So get lost.
I will enter into whatever conversation I wish to enter into. If you don't like it, tough shit. Or don't post. In any case why not quit whining--fucking cry baby.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 24, 2015, 10:34:02 AM
What's to be persuasive with an asshole?!!? You've clearly entered into this discussion just to be an asshole. So get lost.
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 24, 2015, 11:31:02 AM
I will enter into whatever conversation I wish to enter into. If you don't like it, tough shit. Or don't post. In any case why not quit whining--fucking cry baby.
Now now, children...
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 24, 2015, 11:31:02 AM
I will enter into whatever conversation I wish to enter into. If you don't like it, tough shit. Or don't post. In any case why not quit whining--fucking cry baby.
The whining comes from you as you are just a fucking shit disturber, and my calling you out makes you whine like a fucking baby.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 24, 2015, 11:43:02 AM
The whining comes from you as you are just a fucking shit disturber, and my calling you out makes you whine like a fucking baby.
Look, Joe, if I wanted any shit out of you I'd just squeeze your head.
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 24, 2015, 12:34:16 PM
Look, Joe, if I wanted any shit out of you I'd just squeeze your head.
Unless you're 6'6, I'll be looking down on you.
QuoteLook, Joe, if I wanted any shit out of you I'd just squeeze your head.
QuoteUnless you're 6'6, I'll be looking down on you.
Is this some sort of an idea of a poe you guys came up with?
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 24, 2015, 01:11:16 PM
Is this some sort of an idea of a poe you guys came up with?
Shoot, you're too smart for me. I give up.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 24, 2015, 01:20:13 PM
Shoot, you're too smart for me. I give up.
Calm down, that was an honest question.
I am really not so sure this whole thing isn't a giant case of overblown PC going wild. Todays kids can be suspended for bringing: practically any medicine, even prescribed, toy guns, things that look like toy guns, plastic knives, any thing that looks like a weapon. And kids have been questioned by the police for bringing toy guns or toy knives so what is the outrage for? A teacher freaks out. Okay, cops come, kid gets squirrely and boom. Off ya go.
Me thinks this isn't a case about a Muslim getting arrested by the cops, but a kid who got arrested who happens to be muslim and all the PC's of the world think it was about him being muslim. Meh.
When the dust settles we should know more, but ain't it fun busting each others chops over a story where no one really knows what happened yet?
Gee, that's never happened in this forum before eh?
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 24, 2015, 01:21:12 PM
Calm down, that was an honest question.
That was an honest reply...
Quote from: aitm on September 24, 2015, 01:22:27 PM
Me thinks this isn't a case about a Muslim getting arrested by the cops, but a kid who got arrested who happens to be muslim and all the PC's of the world think it was about him being muslim. Meh.
Like a muslim husband killing his wife or some muslim man raping a girl and then suddenly the whole christian world is commenting on the countless hyped up western news feeds of the event if it is something unprecedented with how that particular religion alone makes men beat and kill their wives and rape girls?
Yeah, I guess you have a point. :wink2:
PS I was serious about that poe. Will you look at their squabble and see how adorable it is? They are like toddlers getting at it. :syda:
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 24, 2015, 01:26:29 PM
That was an honest reply...
I meant, did you guys plan that so we would think you are having a go at each other while actually it is nothing, to have fun. Because you sounded weird to me.
I guess it is not and just cultural difference. I didn't meant to stir.
PS Well at least you are tipsy or a drunk a bit I am sure of that. :ppp
Muslim Parent Warns School Board ‘We’re Going to Be the Majority Soon’ as Meeting Gets Heated and Security Is Needed (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/09/22/were-going-to-be-the-majority-soon-security-gets-involved-as-school-board-meeting-gets-heated-over-muslim-holiday/)
It is not related to Ahmed, but the warning is there. Watch your step!
Entitlement, superiority, special pleading. Does the school observe Jewish, Hindu etc. holidays? No.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 24, 2015, 01:28:42 PM
Yeah, I guess you have a point.
The point being is that kids, even white ones, get suspended and some even arrested for bringing toy guns to school, this kid brought an odd looking device that scared someone. Period. There is absolutely NOTHING that suggests him being a muslim accelerated the case. Now, if and when that gets proven then VOILA! You have your phobes. But even then, when only a few months ago less than a hundred miles away some people associated with islam attempt to attack people then I think you have every right to be vigilant.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with this, other than it appears ole dad is getting fitted for some new clothes for TV.
Quote from: aitm on September 24, 2015, 01:43:13 PM
The point being is that kids, even white ones, get suspended and some even arrested for bringing toy guns to school, this kid brought an odd looking device that scared someone. Period. There is absolutely NOTHING that suggests him being a muslim accelerated the case. Now, if and when that gets proven then VOILA! You have your phobes. But even then, when only a few months ago less than a hundred miles away some people associated with islam attempt to attack people then I think you have every right to be vigilant.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with this, other than it appears ole dad is getting fitted for some new clothes for TV.
The wrong you should see here is something bigger than a kid, muslim or not, bringing something to school other than a weapon OR the society that gets to have its feathers ruffled with bullshit like this fighting for this or the other way, aitm.
Why did this get that big? Why did it bother everyone in some way? Just media hype? Myeah...
There is more than two sides arguing about the incident here. Hint.
Quote from: pr126 on September 24, 2015, 01:40:36 PM
Muslim Parent Warns School Board ‘We’re Going to Be the Majority Soon’ as Meeting Gets Heated and Security Is Needed (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/09/22/were-going-to-be-the-majority-soon-security-gets-involved-as-school-board-meeting-gets-heated-over-muslim-holiday/)
It is not related to Ahmed, but the warning is there. Watch your step!
Entitlement, superiority, special pleading. Does the school observe Jewish, Hindu etc. holidays? No.
:lol: Come on pr, you can do better.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 24, 2015, 01:55:16 PM
Why did this get that big? Why did it bother everyone in some way? Just media hype? Myeah...
Because it is media hype.
But hey 15 pages of repeating ourselves really doesn't produce anything new. So, until the next time.....
Quote from: aitm on September 24, 2015, 02:00:53 PM
Because it is media hype.
But hey 15 pages of repeating ourselves really doesn't produce anything new. So, until the next time.....
I am not repeating myself. I have just written something evaluating it overall. But hey, who I am to argue with denial and optimism shagging senseless. :lol:
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 24, 2015, 12:48:32 PM
Unless you're 6'6, I'll be looking down on you.
Jesus H. Christ, Joe. Grow up. Okay, so you are a 6'5 giant of a guy and you are going to prove your point with a beat down. Okay--I'm scared. You win.
Quote from: aitm on September 24, 2015, 01:22:27 PMTodays kids can be suspended for bringing: practically any medicine, even prescribed, toy guns, things that look like toy guns, plastic knives, any thing that looks like a weapon. And kids have been questioned by the police for bringing toy guns or toy knives so what is the outrage for?
I find all of this to be outrageous.
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 24, 2015, 02:21:43 PM
Jesus H. Christ, Joe. Grow up. Okay, so you are a 6'5 giant of a guy and you are going to prove your point with a beat down. Okay--I'm scared. You win.
See, that was easy...;-)
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 24, 2015, 02:03:58 PM
I am not repeating myself. I have just written something evaluating it overall. But hey, who I am to argue with denial and optimism shagging senseless. :lol:
Every Muslim apologist is in denial. Ok, more seriously, why do the Islam apologists mainly come from the Left?
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 24, 2015, 02:39:50 PM
Every Muslim apologist is in denial. Ok, more seriously, why do the Islam apologists mainly come from the Left?
More importantly, what are you drinking and is it good?
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 24, 2015, 02:39:50 PM
Every Muslim apologist is in denial. Ok, more seriously, why do the Islam apologists mainly come from the Left?
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 24, 2015, 02:40:43 PM
More importantly, what are you drinking and is it good?
I don't drink. Did my question strike a nervous chord?
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 24, 2015, 02:37:35 PM
See, that was easy...;-)
https://youtu.be/fqQD4dzVkwk
I mean for real...where is your sense of decency?
Quote from: CrucifyCindy on September 24, 2015, 02:49:23 PM
I mean for real...where is your sense of decency?
You've caught me, I have none.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 24, 2015, 02:44:55 PM
I don't drink. Did my question strike a nervous chord?
LOL, no your squabble with Mike struck a motherly one.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 24, 2015, 03:20:50 PM
LOL, no your squabble with Mike struck a motherly one.
It was just mensch stuff.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 24, 2015, 03:28:51 PM
It was just mensch stuff.
Oh I see. *Nods. Aw. <totally sarcasm, don't buy it>
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 24, 2015, 03:35:40 PM
Oh I see. *Nods. Aw. <totally sarcasm, don't buy it>
Who says I was selling?
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 24, 2015, 03:51:28 PM
Who says I was selling?
Lol, no, you are the one who shouldn't buy it. Are you sure you are not 'drinking/smoking' anything? I have said 'totally sarcasm, don't buy it'. :lol:
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 24, 2015, 04:16:54 PM
Lol, no, you are the one who shouldn't buy it.
Ok, I thought your "don't buy it" was meant to mean "I don't buy it" as it often happens on the net the "I" is missing.
QuoteAre you sure you are not 'drinking/smoking' anything?
As difficult it is for you to believe it, no I don't drink, don't smoke, don't do drugs. I like to be in total control of my mind and body.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 24, 2015, 04:26:07 PM
Ok, I thought your "don't buy it" was meant to mean "I don't buy it" as it often happens on the net the "I" is missing.
OK.
As difficult it is for you to believe it, no I don't drink, don't smoke, don't do drugs. I like to be in total control of my mind and body.
[/quote]
What's your outlet then? Needless to say you don't have to answer, but you are a human being and I guess you need one.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 24, 2015, 04:31:40 PM
What's your outlet then? Needless to say you don't have to answer, but you are a human being and I guess you need one.
I read... a lot...
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 24, 2015, 04:40:16 PM
I read... a lot...
Seriously? Now, I get that you are not selling anything, but I am not buying that. See, reading and writing is my job, Joseph. Something I am obssessed with it beyond the usual schizophrenia of the translator and the solid reader and I would tell you it is not really an outlet but a heavy put in.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 24, 2015, 04:51:32 PM
Seriously? Now, I get that you are not selling anything, but I am not buying that. See, reading and writing is my job, Joseph. Something I am obssessed with it beyond the usual schizophrenia of the translator and the solid reader and I would tell you it is not really an outlet but a heavy put in.
I read not because it's a job for me but a compulsion. I read before going to bed. I wake up at 3 am, and read. I read when I get up, while eating my breakfast. And so on. I'll go from physics, to economics, to politics, to current events, to fiction novels, and anything that grabs my attention. It's a drug, my drug...
Quote from: pr126 on September 24, 2015, 01:40:36 PM
Muslim Parent Warns School Board ‘We’re Going to Be the Majority Soon’ as Meeting Gets Heated and Security Is Needed (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/09/22/were-going-to-be-the-majority-soon-security-gets-involved-as-school-board-meeting-gets-heated-over-muslim-holiday/)
It is not related to Ahmed, but the warning is there. Watch your step!
Entitlement, superiority, special pleading. Does the school observe Jewish, Hindu etc. holidays? No.
I don't know about hindu holidays... but they sure do honor Jewish holidays by me. Depending on the holiday, of course. Some holidays are not "day off" holidays but there are some that are... I just forget which ones though...
Quote from: PickelledEggs on September 24, 2015, 08:46:44 PM
I don't know about hindu holidays... but they sure do honor Jewish holidays by me. Depending on the holiday, of course. Some holidays are not "day off" holidays but there are some that are... I just forget which ones though...
Perhaps the let the kid have a day off. But I don't think they shut the school down for that day.
Quote from: pr126 on September 24, 2015, 11:38:43 PM
Perhaps the let the kid have a day off. But I don't think they shut the school down for that day.
Nope. They shut down all the elementary and high schools in the area completely, in my neck of the woods at least.
Sent from your mom.
The story is not over yet.
Here comes the litigation jihad.
Ahmed Mohamed's family retains legal counsel (http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/2015/09/23/ahmeds-family-hires-lawyers-to-help-get-clock-from-irving-police/72675964/)
QuoteIRVING -- The family of a 14-year-old Irving student arrested for bringing a homemade clock to school earlier this month has retained lawyers and is seeking to regain his science project from the Irving Police Department.
Ahmed Mohamed's parents say they've un-enrolled their three children from the Irving School District "because of religious persecution" and have decided to home-school them. Mohamed's arrest made national headlines, prompting invites from the White House, Facebook and other tech companies.
"The family says that Ahmed has been severely traumatized. The family wants justice and to ensure no family will ever have to experience what Ahmed went through again," a press release sent Wednesday stated.
The family hired Reggie London and Thomas Bowers, well-known for representing Jana Weckerly in her sexual assault case against Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones
I'll be very surprised if they won't be cashing in on this episode.
He does look traumatized. Poor boy.
(http://www.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Ahmed-Mohamed-and-gifts.jpg)
Quote from: pr126 on September 25, 2015, 02:39:42 PM
The story is not over yet.
Here comes the litigation jihad.
Ahmed Mohamed's family retains legal counsel (http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/2015/09/23/ahmeds-family-hires-lawyers-to-help-get-clock-from-irving-police/72675964/)
I'll be very surprised if they won't be cashing in on this episode.
Yep, no surprise after the father quickly held a press conference within two hours of the kid being released, instead of making his own inquiry into the events to get to know what really happened. This guy is a real opportunist, no surprise here as he is a politician. The media, celebrities, and even Obama took the bite like fish in a barrel.
A 14 year old kid has taken everybody for a ride. And to the cleaners too by the look of things.
Success beyond their wildest dreams.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzUtR5TvuzQ
Quote from: pr126 on September 25, 2015, 03:00:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzUtR5TvuzQ
Excellent.
Unfortunately even the facts coming from the mouth of the kid won't dissuade Islam apologists.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 25, 2015, 03:23:06 PM
Excellent.
Unfortunately even the facts coming from the mouth of the kid won't dissuade Islam apologists.
Wait but doesn't everything in that video contradict Mark Cunan's recounting of events?
Quote from: CrucifyCindy on September 25, 2015, 04:57:00 PM
Wait but doesn't everything in that video contradict Mark Cunan's recounting of events?
No.
Quote from: CrucifyCindy on September 25, 2015, 05:16:48 PM
But Mark Cuban said he showed it to 6 teachers
If the kid went from class to class, 6 is in that ball park -that's how many classes the kid would go through in any normal day. For that not to happen, the kid would have had to put his metal box in his locker. In the interview, there is no indication he did that. So he had to carry from class to class. Was it exactly 6? Who cares if it's 4,5 or 6 as that is very irrelevant to the story.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 25, 2015, 05:41:20 PM
If the kid went from class to class, 6 is in that ball park -that's how many classes the kid would go through in any normal day. For that not to happen, the kid would have had to put his metal box in his locker. In the interview, there is no indication he did that. So he had to carry from class to class. Was it exactly 6? Who cares if it's 4,5 or 6 as that is very irrelevant to the story.
I don't know what sort of backwater education you have but there is a difference between to 2 and 6 and it is relevant to you insistinng that Mark Cuban was somehow a reliable sorce.
Quote from: CrucifyCindy on September 25, 2015, 05:44:01 PM
I don't know what sort of backwater education you have but there is a difference between to 2 and 6 and it is relevant to you insistinng that Mark Cuban was somehow a reliable sorce.
My position is based not on one witness, but on several sources which you can find on the internet. Even pr126, who lives in the UK, is doing a better job than you in finding sources on this. In the meantime, your position is solely based on a press conference given by a father who is proving to be nothing but an opportunist politician.
How's that working for you?
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 25, 2015, 06:34:50 PM
My position is based not on one witness, but on several sources which you can find on the internet. Even pr126, who lives in the UK, is doing a better job than you in finding sources on this. In the meantime, your position is solely based on a press conference given by a father who is proving to be nothing but an opportunist politician.
How's that working for you?
You can have a thousand sources and if they are all bullshit then your sources aren't worth shit. You do not seem to have the capacity to understand that. So far every source you have posted has been a source of unmitigated bullshit up to and including Mark Cuban who you defended as an accurate source of information.
It gets better. Now the kid said that other kids had called him a terrorist. So one day, he decides to bring a metal box, carrying some electronic equipment that may be taken for a bomb. Even though one teacher told straightforwardly, it looks like a bomb, don't show it around, he purposely went to another teacher, and personally ask that teacher to look at what he brought. Surprise, surprise, this teacher ALSO thinks it's a bomb. So he gets arrested and his father can now call a press conference to denounce that his son was arrested BECAUSE he is a Muslim. And now the parents can sue the police, the schools, and who ever. The kid is a GENIUS. Fucking dumb Americans falling for the bait...:lol:
http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/all-in-exclusive-with-ahmed-mohamed-526948931844
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4KOW92fbSM
Quote from: pr126 on September 26, 2015, 12:01:36 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4KOW92fbSM
All those students who were interviewed were paid off... says the left-wing Islamic apologist...:lol:
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 24, 2015, 05:06:26 PM
I read not because it's a job for me but a compulsion. I read before going to bed. I wake up at 3 am, and read. I read when I get up, while eating my breakfast. And so on. I'll go from physics, to economics, to politics, to current events, to fiction novels, and anything that grabs my attention. It's a drug, my drug...
Twins separated at birth ;-) Reading is a good drug!
Quote from: Baruch on September 26, 2015, 08:09:15 AM
Twins separated at birth ;-) Reading is a good drug!
Yeah, I can never understand why people want to do drugs. There's enough knowledge to absorb for the next 500 years. Who the fuck has time for drugs.. sheeesh...
Hi, bro...:lol:
Quote from: josephpalazzo on September 26, 2015, 08:20:41 AM
Yeah, I can never understand why people want to do drugs. There's enough knowledge to absorb for the next 500 years. Who the fuck has time for drugs.. sheeesh...
Hi, bro...:lol:
Yeah, and when one adds in PC games, then I look forward to reincarnation. That would be the only way I could hope to keep up.
I think young Mohammed should sue Apple for not giving him an iPhone 6s Plus for his efforts.
Maybe he could take it apart and turn it into something more exiting.
The latest news: Parents Claim Ahmed Mohamed is ‘Severely Traumatized’
QuoteIn spite of the purported trauma, the 14-year-old darling of social justice media made the rounds this week â€" from Google to Comedy Central to Dr. Oz and the United Nations. During his stint on The Nightly Show, Comedy Central host Larry Wilmore kibitzed with clock-in-a-box boy, asking if it was “cool†to get arrested.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/09/27/parents-claim-ahmed-mohamed-severely-traumatized/
Oh darnish...
QuoteThe only thing I'm fixated are the facts.
Quotehttp://www.breitbart.com...
Quotehttp://www.breitbart.com...
Makes several bold face lies, quotes from Glenn Beck, The Sun and now Breitbart's legacy, claims to be fixated on facts.
One of these things does not belong with the other...
For those of you who don't know about Breitbart.com, I thought I would share with you some of their other headline articles...
Quotehttp://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/09/26/washington-post-confirms-hillary-clinton-started-the-birther-movement/
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/25/u-n-womens-group-calls-for-web-censorship/
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/26/its-official-ground-zero-mosque-defeated/
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/26/brigitte-gabriel-europe-is-eurabia-right-now/
A bastion of facts, because that's what you care about.
Quote from: Shiranu on September 27, 2015, 07:34:44 PM
Makes several bold face lies, quotes from Glenn Beck, The Sun and now Breitbart's legacy, claims to be fixated on facts.
One of these things does not belong with the other...
For those of you who don't know about Breitbart.com, I thought I would share with you some of their other headline articles...
A bastion of facts, because that's what you care about.
Yes, but had you read the whole thread you would have noticed this:
Post #264 - Breitbart, a Right-wing media, as you mentioned. BUT Post #257, MSNBC is a Left-wing media.
You see, contrary to you, I do not get my sources
ONLY from the Left-wing media. I get it from both sides of the political spectrum. This is exactly what I said in post #147 (http://atheistforums.com/index.php?topic=8455.msg1093868#msg1093868)
MSNBC... Left wing...
Right then.
And I'm sorry, getting news from the far right tabloid is not "being open minded" and getting news from both sides, no more than learning about, "Kim Kardashian discovers UFO on Kanyes bed...is he cheating with extraterrestrials!?" at the tabloid counter makes you open minded. It's all provocative bullshit at best, bold face lies with a shitty agenda at worst. And that goes for all tabloids... Leftist, right wing or on the cashier's display.
Of course given the last bit, I suppose that would only make it natural for you to like it.
Quote from: Shiranu on September 28, 2015, 06:38:36 AM
MSNBC... Left wing...
Right then.
And I'm sorry, getting news from the far right tabloid is not "being open minded" and getting news from both sides, no more than learning about, "Kim Kardashian discovers UFO on Kanyes bed...is he cheating with extraterrestrials!?" at the tabloid counter makes you open minded. It's all provocative bullshit at best, bold face lies with a shitty agenda at worst. And that goes for all tabloids... Leftist, right wing or on the cashier's display.
Of course given the last bit, I suppose that would only make it natural for you to like it.
You're getting worse and worse. There's a difference between facts and opinions. When I read Left or Right wing media I discard the opinions they spread their news with as both sides are full of bullshit. I only filter the facts. For that requires intelligent which you seem to have little of.
Again, implying MSNBC is left wing...
Again, you lied straight through your teeth from a bullshit tabloid article.
Again, maybe stop thinking your self some divine intellectual. If you are going to talk shit about, "...not intelligent enough to separate the bullshit...", could you at least not do it in a thread where you did exactly that several times?
My god, you are a special type of stupid... Momma always did say tabloids are brain rot though...
Quote from: Shiranu on September 28, 2015, 11:04:19 AM
Again, implying MSNBC is left wing...
Flash news: it is.
QuoteAgain, you lied straight through your teeth from a bullshit tabloid article.
All articles, either from tabloid or other venues, are bullshit. The problem with little brainless twits like you is you only believe those media outlets that reinforce your biases. In your case, left-wing propaganda outlets. The fact that you think MSNBC is not left wing speaks loud and clear that you are incapable of making such clear judgments.
QuoteAgain, maybe stop thinking your self some divine intellectual.
From someone like you who believes that Islam is a sacred cow to be defended at all absurd cost, that's rich.
How could anyone think that MSNBC is anything but left wing? It's more left wing than The Young motherfucking Turks!
Secretly a Warsie.
I gotta admit this makes one scratch their head.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-boy-arrested-for-making-a-clock-meets-sudan’s-president-an-accused-war-criminal/ar-AAfvdCQ
Dictators out of favor with Washington, need all the PR they can get? But our dictators are so much better ;-)
'Clock Boy’ Ahmed’s Dad: Incident will ‘Spread Islam’ in America (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/15/clock-boy-ahmeds-dads-arabic-post-incident-will-spread-islam-america/)
QuoteMohamed Elhassan Mohamed, father of ‘Clock Boy’ Ahmed, shared another 9/11 ‘Truther’ Facebook post, only this time in Arabic, claiming that the clock incident will lead to spreading Islam in America.
Inshallah.
QuoteAmerican society has come to live in fear of all that is Muslim or black due to the state-controlled media. And I would add:
It is a fear that will turn into confidence in all that is Muslim, because what the American media present is nothing more than a lie that has no relation to reality.
This will lead to the spread of Islam.
The Muslims are endowed with the noble qualities of their moralsâ€"they must exploit every opportunity to reveal the truth of Islam:
“Call the way to your Lord with wisdom and goodly exhortation, and have disputations with them in the best manner; surely your Lord best knows those who go astray from His path, and He knows best those who follow the right way.â€â€"scripture from the Qur’an; Surat al-Nahl (The Bee), 16: 125.
There you have it, You bigoted racist Islamophobes. :sign0151:
This proves the school and police justified... How again?
A comment from another blog:
Quote“Moreover, what happened to Ahmed Mohammed would not have occurred were he not Muslim and Sudanese.â€
True . . . were he not Muslim, he would not have been invited to the White House by Obama; he would not have been invited to NASA; he would not have been interviewed by various mainstream media hosts; nor would he have been offered a scholarship to attend MIT. or showered with expensive gifts. Instead, his flippant derriere would have been thrown unapologetically into the juvenile criminal justice system where it belongs.
Clearly an Islamophobe, a racist bigot.
joseph, you look so cute dressed confirmation bias head to toe. Esp. with that height. :d030:
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 17, 2015, 06:35:40 AM
joseph, you look so cute dressed confirmation bias head to toe. Esp. with that height. :d030:
Oh please, you've definitely ran out of arguments. You can't accept the reality that this was a total sham. US media is as gullible as it comes, and the father of this kid took full advantage of that.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on October 17, 2015, 06:43:29 AM
Oh please, you've definitely ran out of arguments. You can't accept the reality that this was a total sham. US media is as gullible as it comes, and the father of this kid took full advantage of that.
So the school and police were justified.
Good to know some of us don't hold our employees to any sort of standard.
Quote from: Shiranu on October 17, 2015, 07:49:51 AM
So the school and police were justified.
Good to know some of us don't hold our employees to any sort of standard.
There's always room for improvement. But I don't see what the school or the police did was terribly wrong. Maybe they need to fine-tune their protocol, I don't see any reason to vilify them.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on October 17, 2015, 08:00:17 AM
There's always room for improvement. But I don't see what the school or the police did was terribly wrong. Maybe they need to fine-tune their protocol, I don't see any reason to vilify them.
Yes, just don't follow any procedures as if there was a bomb threat, then arrest the kid anyways.
Close enough.
Quote from: Shiranu on October 17, 2015, 08:01:33 AM
Yes, just don't follow any procedures as if there was a bomb threat, then arrest the kid anyways.
Close enough.
I think we've done this before, and I won't argue as it is a waste of time discussing anything with you, but for the record, from what I have read so far, the police was acting on a hoax bomb, not on a bomb threat. And when they realized it wasn't even a hoax bomb, they released the kid. If you think that is so horrible, get a grip.
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 17, 2015, 01:22:26 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/yL3Fcf3.jpg)
Texas is a strange place.
I know which kid I'd be more scared to see on the street. Hint: it's not the one in glasses.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on October 17, 2015, 06:43:29 AM
Oh please, you've definitely ran out of arguments. You can't accept the reality that this was a total sham. US media is as gullible as it comes, and the father of this kid took full advantage of that.
I see that confirmation bias outfit is pretty felxible, because you are still bending backwards and forwards to deflect.
This is about how the police responded to a kid with a clock. WHo cares about his father. Pfffft.
But if you are going to make an argument how unexpected is a thing for a politician -or someone in general - to take advantage of something happened to them in American societ, I'd like to watch that. Would be amusing. :lol:
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 17, 2015, 10:33:00 AM
This is about how the police responded to a kid with a clock.
A clock that look like a hoax bomb. The kid was told exactly that by his engineering teacher. The same teacher told him NOT to show it anywhere else. What does the kid do? Of course, he shows it to another teacher who then reported to the administration. The police had no choice but to investigate once they were called. When they realized it wasn't meant to be a hoax bomb, they released the kid. There's nothing improper here, just the antics of Islamic apologists.
QuoteWHo cares about his father. Pfffft.
He's the guy who called a press conference and turned this into a media fuckfest.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on October 17, 2015, 01:24:07 PM
A clock that look like a hoax bomb. The kid was told exactly that by his engineering teacher. The same teacher told him NOT to show it anywhere else. What does the kid do? Of course, he shows it to another teacher who then reported to the administration. The police had no choice but to investigate once they were called. When they realized it wasn't meant to be a hoax bomb, they released the kid. There's nothing improper here, just the antics of Islamic apologists.
He's the guy who called a press conference and turned this into a media fuckfest.
:djparty:
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 17, 2015, 01:25:54 PM
:djparty:
The self-appointed great expert on Islam has just answered. I'm impressed.
Build Your Own Clock (https://www.boston.com/news/2015/10/17/cambridge-teens-can-build-their-own-clocks-just-like-ahmed/3AAnSK3mhZW6pF2JdHrV4O/story.html)
(https://p.o0bc.com/rf/image_360w/Boston/2011-2020/2015/10/17/Boston.com/BCOM/Images/ahmed.JPG)
‘Clock kid’ Ahmed Mohamed and his family will move to Qatar (https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/clock-kid-ahmed-mohamed-and-his-family-will-move-to-qatar/2015/10/20/a95ed296-7762-11e5-b9c1-f03c48c96ac2_story.html)
QuoteLess than 24 hours after Ahmed Mohamed met President Obama, his family decided it’s time to leave America for good.
The 14-year-old Texas boy who was arrested for bringing to school a homemade clock that authorities said resembled a bomb will soon be living in Qatar.
“After careful consideration of all the generous offers received, we would like to announce that we have accepted a kind offer from Qatar Foundation for Education, Science and Community Development (QF) for Ahmed to join the prestigious QF Young Innovators Program, which reflects the organization’s on-going dedication to empowering young people and fostering a culture of innovation and creativity,†the family said in a news release Tuesday.
Anthony Bond, a close family friend and the founder of the Irving, Texas, chapter of the NAACP said the family made the decision to leave the U.S. within the past 24 hours. They have spent those hours in Washington, where Ahmed has been on a mini-press tour in anticipation of his visit to the White House.
See what youu done? The most promising young [Muslim] inventor of the century was chased away by you, you bigoted hateful Islamophobic bastards.
I hope you are proud of yourselves. :38:
It hilarious all the media attention and celebrity attention this kid is getting. They all pretend hes some kind of genius yet we know hes nothing more than a chess piece to the big guys. They do not give a fuck about his accomplishments, they just want some delicious PR.
Makes me want to convert to the Religion of Peace for all the adulations and special privileges the chosen people are getting.
Just terrorize and kill a few infidels and the rest will do your bidding. They never had a more promising future in centuries.
Quote from: pr126 on October 21, 2015, 02:36:01 AM
‘Clock kid’ Ahmed Mohamed and his family will move to Qatar (https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/clock-kid-ahmed-mohamed-and-his-family-will-move-to-qatar/2015/10/20/a95ed296-7762-11e5-b9c1-f03c48c96ac2_story.html)
QuoteLess than 24 hours after Ahmed Mohamed met President Obama, his family decided it’s time to leave America for good.
The 14-year-old Texas boy who was arrested for bringing to school a homemade clock that authorities said resembled a bomb will soon be living in Qatar.
“After careful consideration of all the generous offers received, we would like to announce that we have accepted a kind offer from Qatar Foundation for Education, Science and Community Development (QF) for Ahmed to join the prestigious QF Young Innovators Program, which reflects the organization’s on-going dedication to empowering young people and fostering a culture of innovation and creativity,†the family said in a news release Tuesday.
Anthony Bond, a close family friend and the founder of the Irving, Texas, chapter of the NAACP said the family made the decision to leave the U.S. within the past 24 hours. They have spent those hours in Washington, where Ahmed has been on a mini-press tour in anticipation of his visit to the White House.
See what youu done? The most promising young [Muslim] inventor of the century was chased away by you, you bigoted hateful Islamophobic bastards.
I hope you are proud of yourselves. :38:
He can always work on the clocks for the FIFA world cup in 2022. You know those things never really work well in tournaments...
’Clock kid’ seeking $15 million in damages (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/%E2%80%99clock-kid%E2%80%99-seeking-dollar15-million-in-damages/ar-BBnm4ae?li=BBnb7Kz)
QuoteTwo months after “clock kid†Ahmed Mohamed made international headlines, new details of his controversial arrest emerged Monday in a letter his attorney has sent to school and city officials in Irving, Tex.
As many as seven adults teamed up to interrogate the 14-year-old boy after a teacher mistook his homemade clock for a bomb and pressured him to sign a confession, according to the “letter of demand†from his lawyer warning of plans to file a $15 million suit.
Ahmed’s September arrest, deemed an overreaction by many observers, drew waves of sympathy and extensive news coverage; President Obama invited him to join several other science-inclined students at the White House’s “Astronomy Night†last month.
But his family, which shortly thereafter took up a benefactor’s offer to relocate to Qatar, argued in the letter that the boy’s reputation has been “permanently scarred.†They are seeking not only financial reparations but written apologies from the city’s mayor and police chief.
[‘Clock kid’ Ahmed Mohamed and his family will move to Qatar]
“Everyone in the country and around the world believes this has been a wonderful experience for Ahmed’s family, and in some ways, it has been,†said Anthony Bond, a family friend. “But now they are settled in Qatar, they have realized they are tremendously traumatized.â€
Quote from: pr126 on November 23, 2015, 11:12:48 PM
’Clock kid’ seeking $15 million in damages (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/%E2%80%99clock-kid%E2%80%99-seeking-dollar15-million-in-damages/ar-BBnm4ae?li=BBnb7Kz)
(http://www.troll.me/images/facepalm-picard/oh-for-fuck-sake-not-this-shit-again.jpg)
Quote from: pr126 on November 23, 2015, 11:12:48 PM
“But now they are settled in Qatar, they have realized they are tremendously traumatized.â€
>$15 million in damages
what the actual fuck
(http://static1.techinsider.io/image/560022e2bd86ef13008bbcfb-730-487/10.jpg)
He surely looks tremendously traumatized...
So it's a money-grab...
My thoughts on how people are reacting...
A. Yes, he is a douchebag... as is his family who are likely the one's really pulling the strings. You want to hate him for that, have at it.
B. No, it still doesn't justify how the school and cops reacted... no more than a douchebag getting randomly mugged and beaten by someone who never met them is justified just cause the guy was a douchebag.
C. On that photo: I don't think that necessarily proves he is traumatized or not. Do I think he is? Likely not, but it is still possible with his entire life being completely flipped over night (for worse or for better). However you can find pictures of veterans smiling and laughing and that does not prove them to be healthy anymore than this does.
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on November 24, 2015, 05:40:22 PM
So it's a money-grab...
Truth, justice and the American way!
Quote“But now they are settled in Qatar, they have realized they are tremendously traumatized.â€
or…..they looked around at where they are living and though…"how the fuck we gonna get outa this shit hole?" We need 15 million to escape.
so he turns out to be a little shit who got media attention and now milking it for all he can, or his parents are.
Well the world has its eric cartmans, just gonna wait for him to be forgotten.
Quote from: Shiranu on November 24, 2015, 05:43:52 PM
My thoughts on how people are reacting...
A. Yes, he is a douchebag... as is his family who are likely the one's really pulling the strings. You want to hate him for that, have at it.
B. No, it still doesn't justify how the school and cops reacted... no more than a douchebag getting randomly mugged and beaten by someone who never met them is justified just cause the guy was a douchebag.
C. On that photo: I don't think that necessarily proves he is traumatized or not. Do I think he is? Likely not, but it is still possible with his entire life being completely flipped over night (for worse or for better). However you can find pictures of veterans smiling and laughing and that does not prove them to be healthy anymore than this does.
(http://www.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Clock_bomb.jpg)
Get off your damn high horse. The bomb squad was called to my school 10 years ago because someone left a
note threatening to bomb it. No actual bomb was found. This kid got off easy considering how jumpy Americans are these days.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on November 24, 2015, 08:34:54 PM
(http://www.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Clock_bomb.jpg)
Get off your damn high horse. The bomb squad was called to my school 10 years ago because someone left a note threatening to bomb it. No actual bomb was found. This kid got off easy considering how jumpy Americans are these days.
Actually to address your picture; the fact that he is Muslim has nothing to do with it, it's my disdain for cops over-reacting that I have a problem with.
It looks jackall like a bomb because
there is nothing to explode. It looks as much like a bomb as if I opened up a computer in the library. Might as well have the cops standing by for any and every science class because someone might possibly bring something remotely looking like a possible explosive, maybe.
No one is fucking crying over the cops being called, the issue is they detained him for awhile after no threat was discovered and the item in question was clearly not a bomb (hence the reason they didn't follow any procedures of an actual bomb threat). If they had at least even remotely acted like it was a possible bomb, then that's one thing. But they never seemed to think it was, so why should they detain someone who never made any threats and is not in possession of anything they think is remotely a bomb?
Jesus christ. If John Smith from Whiteville, Kentucky had the same thing happen I would be just as annoyed, because
there is no fucking need for the cops to be involved over a teacher over-reacting, and there is no need to detain John Smith while following no procedures actually related to a suspected bomb.
It's the same bullshit of, "OH, this child ate a animal cracker and made it look like a gun! We gotta suspend him!" taken to the next level.
Maybe get off your damn high horse of assuming why anyone could be annoyed at the situation when you apparently don't have a clue. And yeah, you can go look back at basically every thread that cops are brought up to show my distaste for when they overstep their authority; are you going to start holding that over my head as well that I am some radical cop-hater apologist?
Most people aren't trained in explosives, including most teachers. Maybe only guys from the Hurt Locker should be teachers?
Either was a very bad idea, or a set up by the father.
And yes ... there is xenophobia, that takes many forms. But I don't think it happened in this case. Usually it is unarmed blacks or handicapped being offed by the cops.
Quote from: Baruch on November 24, 2015, 09:29:24 PM
Most people aren't trained in explosives, including most teachers. Maybe only guys from the Hurt Locker should be teachers?
Either was a very bad idea, or a set up by the father.
And yes ... there is xenophobia, that takes many forms. But I don't think it happened in this case. Usually it is unarmed blacks or handicapped being offed by the cops.
See, I completely agree it was a bad idea. But apparently because I am a Muslim apologist that means jack shit that I said the kid was in the wrong as well and is most likely an asshole. All people can see is, "HUR DURRRR, Shirnur defendered the Mooslims!" while ignoring any point I make about how "they" were in the wrong... even though I said jackshit about Muslims here.
And yes, most people are untrained... including myself. The problem is the school followed NO bomb threat protocol, nor did the cops apparently ever take it as a serious bomb threat, so we cant sit around and say, "But, but... think of the poor people who were afraid it was a bomb!". No one ever fucking thought it was a bomb besides the one teacher who called the police... otherwise it wouldn't have been handled, moved, left in an office and people would have been evacuated... things that don't happen (and then do) when an
ACTUAL BOMB THREAT is going on.
Quote from: mauricio on November 24, 2015, 01:41:24 AM
(http://static1.techinsider.io/image/560022e2bd86ef13008bbcfb-730-487/10.jpg)
He surely looks tremendously traumatized...
I don't think this argument should ever be used. I don't think it's ever been an acceptable argument on here. This is the Sandy Hook truther argument. Was James Foley really beheaded? His sister was on the news right after his beheading, laughing, smiling, and smirking. She couldn't keep the smirk off her face. Her behaviour seemed quite bizarre to me. Why would someone have trouble keeping a smirk off of their face when their brother was just beheaded? I don't know. There is no correct way to react when you lose a loved one. You can't just look at a smile and say that the person is obviously not experiencing any trauma. A smile is not enough. You need to know much more than that to really get to the truth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OFfv4Cw3_E
Ahmed shouldn't have brought the clock to school, and he should have followed the advice of the teacher that told him to keep it put away, but if it's true that they tried to get him to sign a confession under the threat of expulsion, they went too far with that imo. I don't really have much of an opinion on him and his family one way or the other, but hey, people sue for all types of things all the time. People sue after getting burned by hot coffee, and they sometimes win even though it's their own fault. His family can go ahead and sue for all I care.
http://news.yahoo.com/richard-dawkins-compares-clock-boy-180307575.html
What happened to Richard Dawkins
Quote from: FaithIsFilth on November 25, 2015, 04:25:42 AM
I don't think this argument should ever be used. I don't think it's ever been an acceptable argument on here. This is the Sandy Hook truther argument. Was James Foley really beheaded? His sister was on the news right after his beheading, laughing, smiling, and smirking. She couldn't keep the smirk off her face. Her behaviour seemed quite bizarre to me. Why would someone have trouble keeping a smirk off of their face when their brother was just beheaded? I don't know. There is no correct way to react when you lose a loved one. You can't just look at a smile and say that the person is obviously not experiencing any trauma. A smile is not enough. You need to know much more than that to really get to the truth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OFfv4Cw3_E
Ahmed shouldn't have brought the clock to school, and he should have followed the advice of the teacher that told him to keep it put away, but if it's true that they tried to get him to sign a confession under the threat of expulsion, they went too far with that imo. I don't really have much of an opinion on him and his family one way or the other, but hey, people sue for all types of things all the time. People sue after getting burned by hot coffee, and they sometimes win even though it's their own fault. His family can go ahead and sue for all I care.
You are putting the argument on my mouth I simply showed a negative correlation between his emotional state shown in the media and the symptoms of trauma, which is not the same as claiming the logical necessity: suffers heavy trauma, therefore must not be posing happily in photos a few days later. It just shows a lack of evidence that he may have suffered heavy trauma, which makes me incredulous.
Emotional and psychological symptoms of trauma:
Shock, denial, or disbelief
Anger, irritability, mood swings
Guilt, shame, self-blame
Feeling sad or hopeless
Confusion, difficulty concentrating
Anxiety and fear
Withdrawing from others
Feeling disconnected or numb
Physical symptoms of trauma:
Insomnia or nightmares
Being startled easily
Racing heartbeat
Aches and pains
Fatigue
Difficulty concentrating
Edginess and agitation
Muscle tension
These symptoms and feelings typically last from a few days to a few months, gradually fading as you process the trauma. But even when you’re feeling better, you may be troubled from time to time by painful memories or emotionsâ€"especially in response to triggers such as an anniversary of the event or an image, sound, or situation that reminds you of the traumatic experience.
Quote from: CloneKai on November 25, 2015, 06:04:49 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/richard-dawkins-compares-clock-boy-180307575.html
What happened to Richard Dawkins
Dawkins is clearly a shit head ... or misquoted ;-) ... but never a thing as Islamaphobia.
Quote from: Baruch on November 25, 2015, 08:29:48 PM
Dawkins is clearly a shit head ... or misquoted ;-) ... but never a thing as Islamaphobia.
He was clearly refuting the fact that being a kid does not make you an angel, since kids are capable of great evil. And obviously his enemies gotta misinterpret him in the worst possible way. This has being going on for years.
Quote from: mauricio on November 25, 2015, 08:33:59 PM
He was clearly refuting the fact that being a kid does not make you an angel, since kids are capable of great evil. And obviously his enemies gotta misinterpret him in the worst possible way. This has being going on for years.
Well then ... lets send all the kiddies to Guantanamo before they off us in our sleep ;-) Just because the kid isn't an angel, isn't enough to compare him to Isis ... or are all Latin Americans the same as General Pinochet? Didn't think so.
If those are his own words ... just saying ... then he gets to own them ... not because other folks have been picking on him.
Quote from: Baruch on November 25, 2015, 08:38:36 PM
Just because the kid isn't an angel, isn't enough to compare him to Isis ...
That's the thing, he didn't. He just showed an example of an evil kid to refute the "it's just a kid" argument. He never said that clock kid was equivalent to a child soldier and he even made that explicit in his later tweet.
Then he needs to pick a real kid who is really evil ... and not mix the stupid in with the evil. I would be like comparing someone who bet on a football game with the TBTF bankers who destroyed trillions of dollars of paper value.
Quote from: Baruch on November 25, 2015, 08:50:51 PM
Then he needs to pick a real kid who is really evil ... and not mix the stupid in with the evil. I would be like comparing someone who bet on a football game with the TBTF bankers who destroyed trillions of dollars of paper value.
what? Like I said he is not comparing anything hes just doing this:
A claims all men are mortal
B presents an immortal man, therefore A argument is not valid.
He presented an evil kid to demonstrate the "it's just a kid" is not a valid argument, that's it. Basically age is meaningless to his argument, which is what the idiot tried to use to attack him:
QuoteYou're a 74-year-old picking on a kid. You've completely squandered the good you could've done as an ambassador for science.
he makes it clear on his later tweet:
QuoteHORRIFIED anyone thinks I could POSSIBLY liken Ahmed to a killer. My ONLY point of comparison was their AGES: kids not immune to criticism.
Quote from: mauricio on November 25, 2015, 08:59:42 PM
he makes it clear on his later tweet:
This. So he was in effect, misquoted.
Quote from: Baruch on November 25, 2015, 08:29:48 PM
Dawkins is clearly a shit head ... or misquoted ;-) ... but never a thing as Islamaphobia.
Quote from: mauricio on November 25, 2015, 08:33:59 PM
He was clearly refuting the fact that being a kid does not make you an angel, since kids are capable of great evil. And obviously his enemies gotta misinterpret him in the worst possible way. This has being going on for years.
I don't know much about social media, but is it normal for reputable doctors to follow stupid stories of some stupid kids in another country or something.
this guy is calling the kid a hoax boy, posting youtube links that might or might not be true but still not really relevant, and then showing pic of some muslim terrorist boy to prove that this kid might not be innocent, knowing the fact the problem started with people thinking that this kid was a possibly a terrorist.
I mean does he follow stupid shit in all countries or just in usa?
and do doctors put their reputation on line like this on social media?
Quoteand do doctors put their reputation on line like this on social media?
Dawkins' relevance in the social sphere has to do with his out-spoken criticism of dogmatic religion more than any of his biology work... which is a bit sad, because some of his layman-aimed works on evolution are absolutely beautiful. But controversy is what sells, and Dawkins knows this.
His reputation as a biologist is probably pretty solidly set, this is more a side-gig for him.
One could suspect ... suspect that Dawkins is paranoid. Or at least he choses very poor examples to illustrate his points.
dawkins just does not give a fuck about PR, he just says what he believes about any issue that comes to his attention. And people always try to find bigotry in between the lines of what he is actually saying. He's probably used to it and does not care or we can go with the theory of he does it for the clicks! Imo the ones who do it for the clicks are the people who make news out of trying to smear him as a bigot.
So ... you like loud mouth louts? You must be a Trump-bot ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on November 26, 2015, 10:01:55 PM
So ... you like loud mouth louts? You must be a Trump-bot ;-)
no i like honest people and therefore give no fucks about your 'MURICAN political circus =D
Quote from: mauricio on November 26, 2015, 10:02:59 PM
no i like honest people and therefore give no fucks about your 'MURICAN political circus =D
Not a circus! Freak show ;-) Next President will be a carnival geek, with nukes ;-))
weren't people saying they like Donald Trump because he is honest and doesn't worry about pc.
doesn't dawkin think it is possible that the video is a hoax instead of the clock? it all just seems so silly to take such a stand on something you barely know about.
Quote from: CloneKai on November 27, 2015, 04:07:25 AM
weren't people saying they like Donald Trump because he is honest and doesn't worry about pc.
doesn't dawkin think it is possible that the video is a hoax instead of the clock? it all just seems so silly to take such a stand on something you barely know about.
Public figures frequently open mouth and insert foot ;-) They would all flunk speech making class these days. We expect Internet trolls who are actually communicating from the prison cafeteria ... to be know-it-alls ... but we don't expect boorish behavior from the Elite.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on November 24, 2015, 08:34:54 PM
(http://www.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Clock_bomb.jpg)
Get off your damn high horse. The bomb squad was called to my school 10 years ago because someone left a note threatening to bomb it. No actual bomb was found. This kid got off easy considering how jumpy Americans are these days.
No valid comparison there, a bomb threat requires action by longstanding written procedures. A clock, on the other hand, which is presented as a clock involves no threat, and no evidence of explosive materials or bulk that could be reasonably suspected as explosive materials or shrapnel gives nobody the excuse to treat it as a bomb.
However, I would lean toward the side of anyone who suspects foul play with the law, which this kid knowingly participated in. He was warned to stop showing that clock, and he directly disobeyed that directive. It turns out he isn't really a tinkerer (lack of other tricks to show), and the clock bears more the workmanship of an amaturish bombmaker or a smart 9-year old than a serious clock hobbyist at age 14.
this video shows some evidence I had not seen before, makes me even more suspicious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UGLM31S6II
Quote from: mauricio on November 27, 2015, 03:03:20 PM
this video shows some evidence I had not seen before, makes me even more suspicious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UGLM31S6II
what new evidence? all these things were already reported.
the thing CoD didn't mention was he showed it to an engineer teacher too. who would probably had asked question on how it works and how he did it.
and what about the forcing this kid to sign that letter of confession.
It is a pencil case, a briefcase like. i would buy it too, because that looks cool.
yes, it could be a prank. not good enough reason to take him out of school in handcuffs though.
meeting a war criminal OMG, wait, is Bush a war criminal? no. ok, then this meeting isn't such a big deal either.
I think the people fucked it up, he could have been suspended, police could have question him, but there was no need to handcuff him and take him like that. and if the letter of confession part is true then ........
Quote from: mauricio on November 25, 2015, 07:41:00 PM
You are putting the argument on my mouth I simply showed a negative correlation between his emotional state shown in the media and the symptoms of trauma, which is not the same as claiming the logical necessity
You're right. You did say you doubt his claims rather than believe the opposite of his claims to be true. Still, I don't think it is useful to comment on a picture of someone smiling as they are showing off gifts they received. People usually get cheered up when they get something nice. A death row inmate might have a smile on their face when they get their last meal, but that does't mean that they aren't miserable a lot of the time. You didn't make a claim you can't back up, but commenting on a smiling picture like that is kind of like saying "Foley's sister is smiling. She surely looks tremendously traumatized".
I definitely agree that all claims should be questioned, and anything we see in the media should be questioned. Maybe James Foley's siblings were reading off a script in part. They are both military and perhaps their brother really did die, but the Army told the siblings what to say in the media as far as the "We need to go after ISIS and take care of them" message. I have no problem believing that may very well be the case. Ahmed or his parents may very well have planned this all to get back at the school district for his sister getting in trouble for the bomb threats or whatever. Maybe suing for all that money was the plan before Ahmed even went to school with that clock. Who knows?
Quote from: CloneKai on November 27, 2015, 04:42:23 PM
what new evidence? all these things were already reported.
the thing CoD didn't mention was he showed it to an engineer teacher too. who would probably had asked question on how it works and how he did it.
and what about the forcing this kid to sign that letter of confession.
It is a pencil case, a briefcase like. i would buy it too, because that looks cool.
yes, it could be a prank. not good enough reason to take him out of school in handcuffs though.
meeting a war criminal OMG, wait, is Bush a war criminal? no. ok, then this meeting isn't such a big deal either.
I think the people fucked it up, he could have been suspended, police could have question him, but there was no need to handcuff him and take him like that. and if the letter of confession part is true then ........
new evidence for me, i had not looked deeply into the issue. I agree with what you say about the whole overzealous policing of school it is dumb and wrong in general, but I don't think it was racially motivated, since i has happened to many white kids too, the security measures in USA schools are just over the top. And I think the media made such a fuzz to milk a clickbaity story and I think the parents of the kid saw this as a great opportunity to get rich with a lawsuit.
Quote from: mauricio on November 28, 2015, 07:42:21 PM
new evidence for me, i had not looked deeply into the issue. I agree with what you say about the whole overzealous policing of school it is dumb and wrong in general, but I don't think it was racially motivated, since i has happened to many white kids too, the security measures in USA schools are just over the top. And I think the media made such a fuzz to milk a clickbaity story and I think the parents of the kid saw this as a great opportunity to get rich with a lawsuit.
umm
agree with everything you said here
Kids are being suspended from school for merely drawing a picture of a gun….children are being thrown out of school because they have talked about guns……and you think that a kid who brings a object to school that looks nothing like a clock, but says it is and suggests this "clock' is worthy of reward even thought it doesn't even look like a fucking clock should be given a kiss on the head and a pat on the back? I think there is far more in this story. I will wait for all the lies to fret away and wait for the "truth". Though it may never happen because it looks like there is now some dubious backdoor work involved.
only reason i got interested in this story was amount asskissing was being done by the likes of Microsoft, facebook and the president. hell, even MIT.
sure, don't arrest the kid for making a clock, but making a clock isn't that difficult. little coding and circuitry can do it. but everyone acting as if this kid is the next Einstein or something.
its a stupid case, and there are plenty of them happening around. so don't really care that much, other than the amount of feeling it is generating.
luckily, when i was in US, i twisted a kids arm, but that was before 9/11 so it wasn't considered a possible terrorist plot. thanks all@h
:celebrate:
Quote from: aitm on November 28, 2015, 10:18:59 PM
Kids are being suspended from school for merely drawing a picture of a gun….children are being thrown out of school because they have talked about guns……and you think that a kid who brings a object to school that looks nothing like a clock, but says it is and suggests this "clock' is worthy of reward even thought it doesn't even look like a fucking clock should be given a kiss on the head and a pat on the back? I think there is far more in this story. I will wait for all the lies to fret away and wait for the "truth". Though it may never happen because it looks like there is now some dubious backdoor work involved.
What "should" happen should never be determined by insanely unreasonable precedent. Especially in a country where most children are raised to be either fodder for the world's largest army by ludicrous proportions, or for a breeding role in the Stepford Wives hive.
It's hard to believe some people didn't see this lawsuit coming from day 1. I had all my chips on this outcome and was called a loon. There was genius involved, just not the kind some thought.
As long as people follow the leaders and have no idea how their mind numbing technologies work, they will be wearing woolen head coverings at half mast on their ship of fools.
(https://memecrunch.com/meme/17V1Y/wait-wut/image.png?w=500&c=1)
Quote from: peacewithoutgod on December 01, 2015, 11:39:18 PM
What "should" happen should never be determined by insanely unreasonable precedent. Especially in a country where most children are raised to be either fodder for the world's largest army by ludicrous proportions, or for a breeding role in the Stepford Wives hive.
What "should" have happened did. What should "not" have happened also did.
Quote from: aitm on December 02, 2015, 08:20:46 PM
What "should" have happened did. What should "not" have happened also did.
That is quantum mechanics for you ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on December 02, 2015, 08:53:49 PM
That is quantum mechanics for you ;-)
Yep, the chances were 100%. YAY chances!
Quote from: JBCuzISaidSo on December 03, 2015, 02:06:23 AM
Yep, the chances were 100%. YAY chances!
You can't lose, if the game is ... heads I win, tails I win. But what happens when the Establishment says ... heads I lose, tails I lose? The first category is only for the denizens of the country clubs ... move along peasants!
Quote from: Baruch on December 03, 2015, 07:36:14 AM
You can't loose
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Quote from: Baruch on December 03, 2015, 07:36:14 AM
if the game is ... heads I win, tails I win.
The more usual verbiage is: Heads I win, Tails you lose.
Quote from: aitm on December 03, 2015, 09:57:23 AM
The more usual verbiage is: Heads I win, Tails you lose.
Not the way I play it ... I simply win all the time ;-) You can, if you are a banking buddy of the FRB.
Quote from: Baruch on December 03, 2015, 07:45:12 PM
Not the way I play it ... I simply win all the time ;-)
but what I wrote IS actually winni…..ah….nm
Quote from: aitm on December 03, 2015, 08:04:24 PM
but what I wrote IS actually winni…..ah….nm
Slight semantic difference. The way you wrote it ... I would actually care that you lost. The way I wrote it, your participation is irrelevant ;-)
I'm pretty sure this kid is either special needs or at least not that smart. He's certainly not the young genius the media is making him out to be. I saw an interview with him where he was showing off a circuit board he took out of something and said of this piece he removed from something else, "This isn't my first invention and it won't be my last." The kid didn't actually "make" anything. He just took apart a clock and put the pieces in a metal case, which he then took to school which, let's be honest, since Columbine and all the horrors to follow, is also not the smartest thing any student has ever done.
On the subject of Islamophobia, no, it is not a real thing. It is a made-up word to shame anyone who speaks out against Islam which, let's face it, is a horrible religion, certainly at least as much as Christianity is. Are we all Christiophobes? Never heard that word? That's because I just made it up. We have all been speaking out against Christianity for some time, but nobody has made up a word other than "atheist" to describe us. The word "Islamophobia" is a blatant "special pleading" fallacy used to redefine and redirect an argument in much the same way "Support our troops!" actually meant, "If you say anything against America's many pointless wars you are un-American!"
Yes, there are people who are bigoted against Islam and even all Muslims. But that doesn't make Islam in any way special because it's not in any way unique to Islam. The last time I checked there were 7 countries, all of them Muslim, where, by law, being an atheist could carry the death penalty and many more where, while not technically on the books, you wouldn't exactly expect jail time for killing an atheist. There are zero countries where being Muslim, or Christian, or Hindu, or Buddhist, or anything else carries the death penalty actually in the laws of the land, at least that I know of. And it is far easier for an openly Muslim person to be elected to office in America than for an openly atheist person. But there's no such word as "atheophobia" either. That makes "Islamophobia" a blatant "special pleading" fallacy, as far as I can see. I'm not saying Islamophobia is not a real thing, a real issue or a real problem, but I am saying it is no more so than for any other religious view and much less so than for atheism, specifically, assuming you take the world as a whole instead of cherry-picking particular areas where the problem you champion as being "the problem" is disproportionately worse. It is not deserving of having a word made up to describe it when no such word exists to pander to other religious views, some of which have it much worse than Islam in the world as a whole.
i just wish they just use the word anti-Semitism. you know add muslim in with jews.
you hate jews, you are anti-Semitism, you hate muslims, you are also anti-Semitism.
makes everything simpler.
Quote from: CloneKai on December 04, 2015, 02:54:05 PM
i just wish they just use the word anti-Semitism. you know add muslim in with jews.
you hate jews, you are anti-Semitism, you hate muslims, you are also anti-Semitism.
makes everything simpler.
Actually, antisemitism is nothing like Islamophobia in that an anti-Semite hates Jews, the race, not Jews, the religious group. The two have nothing in common.
Jew race :eek:
I am guessing Islamophobia is being scared of muslims or discriminating against them. that is why I said anti-Semitism could be used instead.
i mean there no need for the word anti-Semitism either. a number of words could be used instead, but it exist. might as well make it useful for now.
Quote from: CloneKai on December 04, 2015, 03:24:35 PM
Jew race :eek:
I am guessing Islamophobia is being scared of muslims or discriminating against them. that is why I said anti-Semitism could be used instead.
i mean there no need for the word anti-Semitism either. a number of words could be used instead, but it exist. might as well make it useful for now.
I'm not sure what that first line is about, but I'm assuming you are aware of the difference between "ethnic Jews", "racial Jews" and "religious Jews". There are two different meaning for the word "Jew", one referring to religious views, the other referring to ethnicity. A person can be both "Jewish" and "Christian" or "atheist" at the same time with no conflict if the "Jewish" in the descriptor refers to ethnicity.
While anti-Semitism may refer to any of the three, it is specific to "Jew" (thus cannot encompass Islam) and, so far as I know, is generally against the Jewish race or ethnicity, not religion, which again means that it cannot encompass Islam, which is strictly a religion alone. Check out the first sentence in the Wikipedia page here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism)
Now the Jews, of course, have suffered very real persecution, necessitating the actual and substantial need for a word to describe this prejudice or hatred, which resulted in real harm to those associated as "Jews". One would be hard pressed to argue that Islam suffers anywhere near the same level of injustice, necessitating the need for such a word.
No, "Islamophobe" is just the politically correct way of shaming people who speak out against Islam much the same way as you see on "Real Time" all the time where Bill Maher will say, "Islam is a bad religion" and someone on the panel will argue against him as if he had said, "All Muslims are evil". It's a way of twisting the argument and controlling what someone who disagrees with you seems to have said to stack the argument in your favor, a tool most used by those with no real argument to begin with. The word "Islamophobe" is a tool of the weak and weak minded PC police used to chastise and threaten any who may disagree before the conversation even begins. It is thrown at anyone who dares say anything disparaging about Islam in general or any particular Muslim. If you say, "That Muslim is bad" they argue as if you had you said, "All Muslims are bad and should be killed". It is because of nonsensical made-up words like this that it is becoming increasingly difficult to call Republicans out on their nonsense. They simply say, "They're just throwing this word at me to make me look bad", the general public see that this actually does happen and, being the uneducated buffoons many of them are, say, "Yep, they did it there, so it must be true here!".
ANY AND ALL dishonest arguments weaken all honest arguments, unfortunately.
Quote from: widdershins on December 04, 2015, 03:58:03 PM
I'm not sure what that first line is about, but I'm assuming you are aware of the difference between "ethnic Jews", "racial Jews" and "religious Jews". There are two different meaning for the word "Jew", one referring to religious views, the other referring to ethnicity. A person can be both "Jewish" and "Christian" or "atheist" at the same time with no conflict if the "Jewish" in the descriptor refers to ethnicity.
While anti-Semitism may refer to any of the three, it is specific to "Jew" (thus cannot encompass Islam) and, so far as I know, is generally against the Jewish race or ethnicity, not religion, which again means that it cannot encompass Islam, which is strictly a religion alone. Check out the first sentence in the Wikipedia page here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism)
Now the Jews, of course, have suffered very real persecution, necessitating the actual and substantial need for a word to describe this prejudice or hatred, which resulted in real harm to those associated as "Jews". One would be hard pressed to argue that Islam suffers anywhere near the same level of injustice, necessitating the need for such a word.
No, "Islamophobe" is just the politically correct way of shaming people who speak out against Islam much the same way as you see on "Real Time" all the time where Bill Maher will say, "Islam is a bad religion" and someone on the panel will argue against him as if he had said, "All Muslims are evil". It's a way of twisting the argument and controlling what someone who disagrees with you seems to have said to stack the argument in your favor, a tool most used by those with no real argument to begin with. The word "Islamophobe" is a tool of the weak and weak minded PC police used to chastise and threaten any who may disagree before the conversation even begins. It is thrown at anyone who dares say anything disparaging about Islam in general or any particular Muslim. If you say, "That Muslim is bad" they argue as if you had you said, "All Muslims are bad and should be killed". It is because of nonsensical made-up words like this that it is becoming increasingly difficult to call Republicans out on their nonsense. They simply say, "They're just throwing this word at me to make me look bad", the general public see that this actually does happen and, being the uneducated buffoons many of them are, say, "Yep, they did it there, so it must be true here!".
ANY AND ALL dishonest arguments weaken all honest arguments, unfortunately.
ethnic Jews", "racial Jews" and "religious Jews"
no, i really don't know the difference. i come from wrong part of the world. we only have one type of jews.
The race thing i don't really believe in. i believe some old studies divided human into three race Caucasoid, Negroid, and Mongoloid. i am not even sure how accepted this idea is.
Jews like most minorities in the world have suffered very real persecution. they are not special, like the west try to make people believe.
Anti-Semitism, i believe comes from the term Semitic, which includes Arab people. but for some reason its only used for jews. i am sure there won't be problem to add arabs in the definition for Anti-Semitism.
I don't know how much problem the term "Islamophobe", is creating, but Muslims are a minority in USA (I believe around 3%) and USA has been at war with islamic people for nearly 15 years and arabs has never been shown in good light in media either. so being slightly careful is ok, in my opinion. some idiot came up with islamophobe, muslimophobe would have been little better. or better yet, use bigot or racist. but unfortunately, anti-semitism set a precedent, if you have one for Jews, a group defined by their religious or their religious myth, you will require one for muslims.
Bill Maher is kind of a muslim hater, he almost always tries to the blame muslims so i understand some people might have some problem with that.
I also see the term Anti-Semitism used to defend Israel government policies too. people throwing words around like this is unfortunately common.
Quote from: CloneKai on December 04, 2015, 02:54:05 PM
i just wish they just use the word anti-Semitism. you know add muslim in with jews.
you hate jews, you are anti-Semitism, you hate muslims, you are also anti-Semitism.
makes everything simpler.
Needed clarification ... there is xenophobia ... it is universal in human beings. What varies is what you unconsciously object to. Another problem ... given that the majority of Muslims are not Arabs ... being anti-Semitic against them is impossible, since they are not Semites. Hence "Islamophobia". But if we want ... we can say "xenophobic against X specific group". It also depends on where you live. In the US, the majority of Muslims are African-Americans who were formerly part of the Nation of Islam cult. So in America, anti-Muslim/anti-Black play in the same sand box. In Germany, the majority of Muslims are Turkish ... so there anti-Turk would be most appropriate (unless the number of Syrian refugees gets too high, but then we can consider opposition to that as anti-refugee). Yes, how you name it is political. So? Everything is politics these days.
Another historical clarification ... anti-Semitism was a racial statement, and was invented around 1750 by the Frenchman, Voltaire. All anti-Jewish feeling before that, even with Muhammad, was anti-Judaism the religion, not anti-Jewish the race. And for some time afterward from 1750 - 1950 there was a gradual transition from anti-Judaism to anti-Semite. So it also depends on which time period we are talking about, not just the geography.
Anti-Semitism in Israel is the worst mess. Most of the Israeli Jews are racially hardly Jewish at all, hardly ethnic Jewish at all, hardly religiously Jewish at all. They are technically Jewish under Israeli law. They are European invaders ... from W and E Europe ... mixed race, mixed European ethnicity, non-religious. Actual racial Jews, of Jewish ethnicity, who are religious ... actually support Hamas. So in Israel, we have anti-Semitic (anti-Arab Palestinian) non-Semites oppressing the Palestinians, while defending themselves against criticism, by claiming the criticism is anti-Semite. Ridiculous. I know a Jewish person at work, who is more racially and ethnically Jewish than I am, but who is an atheist. Nothing wrong with that, but since I am Jewishly religious, I am in that respect more Jewish than he is. When modern Israeli was founded, one orthodox rabbi was heard to say ... "The only thing worse than Goyim are Jewish Goyim".
just confusing terminologies which are misused.
Anti-Jew would have been better but we got Anti-Semite instead, kind like calling anti-turk, anti-european instead without including the rest of europeans.
To me anti-semite holds much more weight then Islamophobe, but the funny part would be
that huge amount of people who hate muslims are die hard supporters of Israel, so anti-semite being used there would be so much interesting to watch. that why i said maybe something like that would be better than the word islamaphobe, a word which is kinda misleading.
Quote from: CloneKai on December 05, 2015, 06:17:58 AM
just confusing terminologies which are misused.
Anti-Jew would have been better but we got Anti-Semite instead, kind like calling anti-turk, anti-european instead without including the rest of europeans.
To me anti-semite holds much more weight then Islamophobe, but the funny part would be
that huge amount of people who hate muslims are die hard supporters of Israel, so anti-semite being used there would be so much interesting to watch. that why i said maybe something like that would be better than the word islamaphobe, a word which is kinda misleading.
All words are misleading ... to the speaker and the hearer ... Zen.