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Two 5th graders in the State of Washington brought a gun and a knife to school with the intention of killing classmates.
QuoteStaff members asked the 10-year-old boy why he had the gun. The boy reportedly told staff he was going to "get" an 11-year-old classmate who had been mean to them and "do her in." The Spokesman reported the two planned to stab the girl with a knife and then keep everyone else a bay with the gun.
The boys admitted to the teacher that there were other students they wanted to kill. They also allegedly admitted to the teacher they were going to kill the girl on the day the weapons were found.
Not included in the article. One of the boys paid another student $80 in hush money to keep quiet about the plot, and is being charged with witness tampering.
And the powers that be will probably try to bury the kid under the prison for life.. at 10 I probably planned similar plots and got my ass paddled.. Obviously I turned into a mass murderer.. :roll:
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"And the powers that be will probably try to bury the kid under the prison for life.. at 10 I probably planned similar plots and got my ass paddled.. Obviously I turned into a mass murderer.. :roll:
Did you bring weapons to school in order to carry out the deed? I had similar plots, even throughout high school, but never brought the means to carry it out. This was no mere fantasy.
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"And the powers that be will probably try to bury the kid under the prison for life.. at 10 I probably planned similar plots and got my ass paddled.. Obviously I turned into a mass murderer.. :roll:
My initial reaction to the article was shock, but in retrospect, I suppose it's not all that unusual. In 8th grade (Chicago), one of my classmates brought a gun to school and threatened a classmate. He was expelled, and of course the cops came and took him away, but I lost track after that, so I don't know what happened to him.
10 year olds overreact regularly. At 10 this kid can be shown different ways of dealing with problems.. Perhaps the school needs to review how they deal with problems as well to prevent them before kids feel the need to kill.
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"10 year olds overreact regularly. At 10 this kid can be shown different ways of dealing with problems.. Perhaps the school needs to review how they deal with problems as well to prevent them before kids feel the need to kill.
I'm guessing this will be informally addressed, if not formally. I remember teachers taking time out to deal with similar problems at that age. Some schools have formal anger management programs already in place.
Quote from: "drunkenshoe"But the problem here is 10 year olds shouldn't get their hands on guns this easily.
Absolutely. The problem we have here is that irresponsible parents don't meet consequences when these things happen. There will likely be a CPS case, but that will amount to nothing at all, as there are no laws preventing a parent from keeping gun out in the open in their home. While the lefties are legislating bans on legitimate tools, we should be legislating penalties for leaving guns readily accessible to children.
Quote from: "drunkenshoe"Yeah children are children. But the problem here is 10 year olds shouldn't get their hands on guns this easily.
No! NO! Arm 10 year olds to prevent this 10 year old's actions because nothing says a well rounded education like a shootout among school children! :D
Quote from: "drunkenshoe"Yeah children are children. But the problem here is 10 year olds shouldn't get their hands on guns this easily.
One of the reader comments I read after one of the articles was, "These kids brought a knife, gun, and $80 to school? Do they have parents?"
I chuckled over that one, but it makes a reasonable point.
Quote from: "SGOS""These kids brought a knife, gun, and $80 to school? Do they have parents?"
Certainly not responsible ones.
I think this is partially the parents' fault for that kid having access to a gun, but I think the larger problem is cultural. Our American culture needs adjustment. This kind of thing should be absolutely fall-over shocking to the whole country but it's become the norm.
And what culturally do you think we should fix? It SHOULD BE shocking, correct, but the reason it is not has nothing to do with us being complacent with this situation so much as us being complacent with children having unfettered access to weapons, which then makes these situations a common occurrence. The cultural problem here is that it IS the parents fault for allowing their children this kind of access. The reason it's the norm is that we don't fix this problem of parents having the right to give children access to deadly tools before they're mature enough to understand the consequences of using these tools.
Quote from: "buttfinger"The cultural problem here is that it IS the parents fault for allowing their children this kind of access. The reason it's the norm is that we don't fix this problem of parents having the right to give children access to deadly tools before they're mature enough to understand the consequences of using these tools.
I don't agree that this problem lies solely on the shoulders of parents. That's pretty simplistic.
It's access to guns. It's permissive parenting. It's cultural. It's in the media and in advertising. It's a very very very complex problem that has 1000 solutions, not one.
Quote from: "drunkenshoe"Yeah children are children. But the problem here is 10 year olds shouldn't get their hands on guns this easily.
Ten year olds shouldn't get their hands on guns at all, unless they're being supervised, and they should
never be able to get their hands on hand guns at that age.
Ha! Got my first shotgun (.410) at 8 and shot it in the woods. ALWAYS supervised. Was taught gun safety first, demonstrated it before receiving ammo, and was directed on what to shoot and when. Safety first.
Quote from: "Mermaid"It's access to guns.
Whose access? Which guns?
QuoteIt's permissive parenting.
As I've said myself.
QuoteIt's cultural. It's in the media and in advertising.
I agree with this, actually. The media shows all these huge massacres, spends hours showing sobbing family members, and all the carnage. When a child gets pissed off at his classmates, or some suicidal schmuck is pissed off at the world, they see the carnage that others have inflicted before them, and THIS is what they have in mind when they take it out on the public. This will be the case so long as parents are not held responsible for allowing children access and it will continue for as long as we allow the background check system to be as fucked as it is right now. When these are addressed, the problem will be MUCH less than it is, without trampling on the rights of law abiding, mature (relatively speaking, in some cases) adults.
Quote from: "buttfinger"Quote from: "Mermaid"It's access to guns.
Whose access? Which guns?
QuoteIt's permissive parenting.
As I've said myself.
QuoteIt's cultural. It's in the media and in advertising.
I agree with this, actually. The media shows all these huge massacres, spends hours showing sobbing family members, and all the carnage. When a child gets pissed off at his classmates, or some suicidal schmuck is pissed off at the world, they see the carnage that others have inflicted before them, and THIS is what they have in mind when they take it out on the public. This will be the case so long as parents are not held responsible for allowing children access and it will continue for as long as we allow the background check system to be as fucked as it is right now. When these are addressed, the problem will be MUCH less than it is, without trampling on the rights of law abiding, mature (relatively speaking, in some cases) adults.
You seem like you really want to argue here, but I don't think we disagree on this. Kids (and adults) see horrible violence dozens of times a day with no apparent consequence other than "Oh, that's too bad". You can shoot a guy in a video game and watch his brains come out, and then he gets another life. I think we've lost the connection between committing acts of violence on other people and the true consequences of that violence.
To answer your first question, it is too easy to purchase guns in my opinion. I don't have an issue with people owning guns, make no mistake. We have one in the house at the moment ourselves. It was freakishly easy, however, to get one. There are too fucking many. But I don't see guns as the fundamental problem. They are just a tool. A very efficient and deadly tool.
Quote from: "drunkenshoe"Quote from: "SvZurich"Ha! Got my first shotgun (.410) at 8 and shot it in the woods. ALWAYS supervised. Was taught gun safety first, demonstrated it before receiving ammo, and was directed on what to shoot and when. Safety first.
That doesn't mean it was a right thing to do though Kimmie. And how many years ago was this?
Sure... get me to reveal my age through trickery. ;) Had you actually paid attention to the board's main page on the day that my birthday occurred, you'd know the answer to that.
It WAS the right thing to do. Mom's 2nd and 3rd husbands are/were gun nuts with lots of firearms. In that situation, teaching kids gun safety is a must for safety.
I admit the thing that raised my eyes was the 80 bucks. Are the parents dealers of just fearful of banks, leave money around the house? WTF?