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Title: American religious affiliation at lowest point in history
Post by: Valigarmander on March 13, 2013, 12:35:06 PM
http://newscenter.berkeley.edu/2013/03/ ... believers/ (http://newscenter.berkeley.edu/2013/03/12/non-believers/)

QuoteBERKELEY —
Religious affiliation in the United States is at its lowest point since it began to be tracked in the 1930s, according to analysis of newly released survey data by researchers from the University of California, Berkeley, and Duke University. Last year, one in five Americans claimed they had no religious preference, more than double the number reported in 1990.


UC Berkeley sociologists Mike Hout and Claude Fischer , along with  Mark Chaves of Duke University, analyzed data on religious attitudes as part of the General Social Survey, a highly cited biannual poll conducted by NORC, an independent research institute at the University of Chicago.

Results of the survey – which looked at numerous issues, including attitudes about gun ownership and how tax dollars should be spent, and is funded in part by the National Science Foundation – are being released now and in coming weeks.

On American attitudes toward religion, UC Berkeley researchers found that 20 percent of a nationally representative group reported no religious preference. That's a jump from 1990 when all but 8 percent of Americans polled identified with an organized faith.

 "This continues a trend of Americans disavowing a specific religious affiliation that has accelerated greatly since 1990," said Hout, lead author of the study.

Hout and Fischer are authors of the General Social Survey study that in 2002 first identified a rise in the number of "unchurched." They are careful to distinguish the survey category of "no religion," which means individuals who are not part of an organized religion, from "atheists," who do not believe in God and made up just 3 percent of those interviewed last year. Meanwhile, just 8 percent of those surveyed said they were raised with no religion.

Responses in the survey were to the question, "What is your religious preference? Is it Protestant, Catholic, Jewish, some other religion, or no religion?"

An analysis of the results suggests the following:

-Liberals are far more likely to claim "no religion" (40 percent) than conservatives (9 percent)
-Men are more likely than women to claim "no religion" (24 percent of men versus 16 percent of women).
-More whites claimed "no religion" (21 percent) compared to African Americans (17 percent) and Mexican Americans (14 percent).
-More than one-third of 18-to-24-year-olds claimed "no religion" compared to just 7 percent of those 75 and older.
-Residents of the Midwestern and Southern states were least likely to claim "no religion" compared to respondents in the Western, Mountain and Northeastern states. But Midwesterners and Southerners are catching up, Hout said.
-Educational differences among those claiming "no religion" are small compared to other demographic differences.
- About one-third of Americans identify with a conservative Protestant denomination, one-quarter are Catholics (although 35 percent were raised Catholic) and 1.5 percent are Jewish.

The General Social Survey has been tracking major social and cultural trends in American society since 1972, when only 5 percent of those polled claimed no religion. Since 1990, an uptick in those identifying themselves as following no particular religion has progressed  steadily with 18 percent identifying  as such in 2010 and 20 percent in 2012.

Excellent news. Some of the numbers are surprising, though. 40% of liberals are nonreligious?
Title: Re: American religious affiliation at lowest point in histor
Post by: Hydra009 on March 13, 2013, 04:05:50 PM
Quote from: "Valigarmander"Excellent news. Some of the numbers are surprising, though. 40% of liberals are nonreligious?
Yeah, I wouldn't expect it to be quite that high.  Liberals clock in at 85% for belief in God according to a gallup poll (//http://www.gallup.com/poll/147887/Americans-Continue-Believe-God.aspx).  Then again, religion tends to be something of a loaded term nowadays.  Believers aren't "religious", they're "spiritual" or somesuch.  Could be something like that throwing off the numbers.
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Post by: Plu on March 14, 2013, 03:17:05 AM
As the article says,

QuoteThey are careful to distinguish the survey category of "no religion," which means individuals who are not part of an organized religion, from "atheists," who do not believe in God and made up just 3 percent of those interviewed last year.

But still good to see it going up.
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Post by: Colanth on March 14, 2013, 04:54:36 PM
Quote from: "Plu"As the article says,

QuoteThey are careful to distinguish the survey category of "no religion," which means individuals who are not part of an organized religion, from "atheists," who do not believe in God and made up just 3 percent of those interviewed last year.

But still good to see it going up.
I'd like to see the results of the survey if they included "atheist" in one category and "don't actually believe in any god" in another.
Title: Re: American religious affiliation at lowest point in histor
Post by: Agramon on March 14, 2013, 07:03:18 PM
Belief in a god is probably a better indicator than religion since that would include the "it's not a religion, it's a relationship" crowd. Still good news though!
Title: Re: American religious affiliation at lowest point in histor
Post by: SHIN KAIRI on March 16, 2013, 10:45:05 AM
No wonder. This news only serves to confirm that these are indeed the end times. The once great christian country that surpassed all the other nations in all aspects is now tumbling to the ground with nobody to help her. Sad stuff...
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Post by: Plu on March 16, 2013, 11:05:03 AM
Losing religion as a country isn't causing the downfall. The happiest nations on earth are also the least religious ones, and the worst nations on earth are also the most religious. What's ruining the US is its political and economical system.
But you'll probably pull out of the dive soon enough, especially when more people abandon religion and start thinking and solving the real problems that exist in the country.
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Post by: Plu on March 16, 2013, 11:14:03 AM
Speaking of reasons your country is going down the drain, this is probably a good indicator.

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/48e76d ... rel=player (http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/48e76dcdab/i-can-t-believe-these-are-all-tv-shows?rel=player)
Title: Re: American religious affiliation at lowest point in histor
Post by: AxisMundi on March 18, 2013, 09:17:07 AM
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"No wonder. This news only serves to confirm that these are indeed the end times. The once great christian country that surpassed all the other nations in all aspects is now tumbling to the ground with nobody to help her. Sad stuff...

We are not, nor ever have been, a "Christian Nation".
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Post by: Johan on March 18, 2013, 01:57:59 PM
Quote from: "Plu"Losing religion as a country isn't causing the downfall. The happiest nations on earth are also the least religious ones, and the worst nations on earth are also the most religious. What's ruining the US is its political and economical system.
But you'll probably pull out of the dive soon enough, especially when more people abandon religion and start thinking and solving the real problems that exist in the country.
From your lips to God's ears. Oh wait.... dammit!
Title: Re: American religious affiliation at lowest point in histor
Post by: SHIN KAIRI on March 18, 2013, 02:56:42 PM
Quote from: "AxisMundi"
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"No wonder. This news only serves to confirm that these are indeed the end times. The once great christian country that surpassed all the other nations in all aspects is now tumbling to the ground with nobody to help her. Sad stuff...

We are not, nor ever have been, a "Christian Nation".
(//http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u677/SHINKAIRI3/53nrjo_zps6fcdcb4c.gif)
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Post by: Jmpty on March 18, 2013, 03:28:03 PM
Quote from: "Plu"Speaking of reasons your country is going down the drain, this is probably a good indicator.

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/48e76d ... rel=player (http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/48e76dcdab/i-can-t-believe-these-are-all-tv-shows?rel=player)
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Title: Re: American religious affiliation at lowest point in histor
Post by: Thumpalumpacus on March 18, 2013, 03:28:29 PM
Quote from: "SHIN KAIRI"No wonder. This news only serves to confirm that these are indeed the end times. The once great christian country that surpassed all the other nations in all aspects is now tumbling to the ground with nobody to help her. Sad stuff...

Yes indeed, Christians are such a persecuted minority.  

How strong can the benefits of their faith be, if it is brought low by a mere 3% admixture of atheists?
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Post by: Teaspoon Shallow on March 19, 2013, 05:59:45 AM
In Australia the term Atheist is still misunderstood as the assertion there is no god.

A poll released last year said approximately 4% of Australians were Atheist and 9% did not believe in god.

WTH? #-o
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Post by: Brian37 on March 19, 2013, 07:16:30 AM
Quote from: "Johan"
Quote from: "Plu"Losing religion as a country isn't causing the downfall. The happiest nations on earth are also the least religious ones, and the worst nations on earth are also the most religious. What's ruining the US is its political and economical system.
But you'll probably pull out of the dive soon enough, especially when more people abandon religion and start thinking and solving the real problems that exist in the country.
From your lips to God's ears. Oh wait.... dammit!

Thor will smite you for your blasphemy!
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Post by: Fidel_Castronaut on March 19, 2013, 09:20:57 AM
Quote from: "Teaspoon Shallow"In Australia the term Atheist is still misunderstood as the assertion there is no god.

A poll released last year said approximately 4% of Australians were Atheist and 9% did not believe in god.

WTH? #-o

In the UK a lot of people are nominal atheists in that they's say they're Christian but really don't have any religious belief at all.

Estimates by some think tanks place it up to 50% of England and Wales don't have a belief in a deity.

But what you say about Australia is also an occurance here. The census has a weird way of asking the 'religion' question to give as amny responses as possible, meaning that one can say one is an atheist, one has no religion (could technically still be theist/deist or whatever), one is a secularist (??? That's not anything to do with religion), and so on. In 2001 around 14% said they were 'atheist', with %'s adding on top of that saying they were humanist, jedi, anti-theist and so on.

Maybe it's down to the confusion over what atheism actually means?

But hell, I'm not starting another thread like that again (see: Siggie).
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Post by: Tull on March 20, 2013, 07:02:30 PM
It is true that there are quite a few "theists" (Jews/Hindus in particular but also Christians and Muslims) who are functional atheists yet claim affiliation.
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Post by: AxisMundi on March 21, 2013, 07:25:52 AM
Quote from: "Tull"It is true that there are quite a few "theists" (Jews/Hindus in particular but also Christians and Muslims) who are functional atheists yet claim affiliation.

Yup. Some communities, especially on a local level, all but demand a claimed affiliation of some kind or another.

One find such conditions in certain rural parts of the US, and also in fundamentalist Islam areas too.
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Post by: Colanth on March 21, 2013, 07:54:48 PM
Quote from: "Tull"It is true that there are quite a few "theists" (Jews/Hindus in particular but also Christians and Muslims) who are functional atheists yet claim affiliation.
I don't know about Hindus, but one can be a Jew culturally without believing in any god.
Title: Re: American religious affiliation at lowest point in histor
Post by: GurrenLagann on March 21, 2013, 11:55:39 PM
Atheism is seen as a valid path in Hinduism, but hard as far as spiritual matters go, though that sounds quite odd.
Title: Re: American religious affiliation at lowest point in histor
Post by: Valigarmander on March 22, 2013, 12:10:04 AM
Hinduism can be polytheistic, henotheistic, monotheistic, pantheistic, or atheistic. It's actually a very diverse religion.
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Post by: Hydra009 on March 22, 2013, 03:16:55 AM
Quote from: "Colanth"I don't know about Hindus, but one can be a Jew culturally without believing in any god.
Same thing with Hindus (//http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism_in_Hinduism).  (Carvaka is my personal favorite.  I thought we could insult theists, but these people made it into an artform!)