...then why have they never succeeded at oppressing the male population?
CHECKMATE, FEMINISTS!
LOOOOOOOL...
Ahem.. define opression please? :P
Quote from: drunkenshoe on August 30, 2015, 10:33:47 PM
LOOOOOOOL...
Ahem.. define opression please?
When's the last time you saw a country full of men wearing burkas who could be stoned to death if a woman raped them?
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on August 30, 2015, 10:36:48 PM
When's the last time you saw a country full of men wearing burkas who could be stoned to death if a woman raped them?
That's just a violent part of oppression widely advertised since 9/11 and that's all.
It really doesn't cut, what it's gender oppression over all.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on August 30, 2015, 10:30:22 PM
...then why have they never succeeded at oppressing the male population?
CHECKMATE, FEMINISTS!
Have males oppressed the male population?
Quote from: TomFoolery on August 30, 2015, 11:22:26 PM
Have males oppressed the male population?
I would say yes. Though if so... you could say females have oppressed the female and male population in their own ways as well.
Wait, what about the planets and far away places in fiction where the women are always the oppressors? Oh wait ..keyword: fiction
Quote from: Shiranu on August 30, 2015, 11:51:49 PM
I would say yes. Though if so... you could say females have oppressed the female and male population in their own ways as well.
Agreed.
There still exist a small number of societies where women traditionally have all the property rights etc, but they are very rare so if you wish we can put them to one side.
However it is not quite checkmate as the OP thinks.
If a male has no experience of female domination then, a male cannot be a fair arbiter of what constitutes a level playing field between the two sexes, and therefore has neutralised any input they may want to bring to such a discussion. So in such a discussion if we proceed with this thinking the only voice with any credibility would be the voice of the feminist.
As such all the OP has done is present a good case why he should be ignored.
You see man made the cars
To take us over the road
Man made the train
To carry the heavy load
Man made the electric light
To take us out of the dark
Man made the boat for the water
Like Noah made the ark
This is a man's, man's, man's world
Men are from earth. Women are from earth.
Deal with it.
My lips have been sealed by nice feminist here that let me hear them roar :lipsrsealed:!
Pretty sure Hijiri is being sarcastic to get a rise out of people. And people responded.
:clap:
Quote from: jonb on August 31, 2015, 06:37:16 AM
There still exist a small number of societies where women traditionally have all the property rights etc, but they are very rare so if you wish we can put them to one side.
However it is not quite checkmate as the OP thinks.
If a male has no experience of female domination then, a male cannot be a fair arbiter of what constitutes a level playing field between the two sexes, and therefore has neutralised any input they may want to bring to such a discussion. So in such a discussion if we proceed with this thinking the only voice with any credibility would be the voice of the feminist.
As such all the OP has done is present a good case why he should be ignored.
You do realize which section of the forum we're in, right? :P
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/3475cf90d3bc2ff08fb6cd086daa7d0a/tumblr_mump13WIFc1sr1ki0o5_250.gif)
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on August 30, 2015, 10:30:22 PM
...then why have they never succeeded at oppressing the male population?
CHECKMATE, FEMINISTS!
Oh, just how is that really true, with women blaming men for all of their problems? We're so oppressive we wouldn't dare do that!
Quote from: peacewithoutgod on August 31, 2015, 01:15:48 PM
Oh, just how is that really true, with women blaming men for all of their problems? We're so oppressive we wouldn't dare do that!
You are a better joke than the OP offers with that interpretation of it.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on August 31, 2015, 01:33:05 PM
You are a better joke than the OP offers with that interpretation of it.
I do have a sense of humor, but at least I try not to be mean.
Quote from: peacewithoutgod on August 31, 2015, 01:47:10 PM
I do have a sense of humor, but at least I try not to be mean.
I'm not being mean. Your post doesn't sound like you are enjoying some sense of humour but just whine about women.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on August 31, 2015, 01:53:27 PM
I'm not being mean. Your post doesn't sound like you are enjoying some sense of humour but just whine about women.
The same can be said on the original post, plus half the shit that you say on men here - plllllLLLLLEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZ!!!!! Really, I thought we were all too intelligent and mature for this sort of petty bullshit, but you can't even take a joke.
Quote from: peacewithoutgod on August 31, 2015, 01:56:51 PM
The same can be said on the original post, plus half the shit that you say on men here - plllllLLLLLEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZ!!!!! Really, I thought we were all too intelligent and mature for this sort of petty bullshit, but you can't even take a joke.
I am curious what are those things I have said about men. Especially because I haven't said anything about men -or women- AT ALL, but a certain culture; about social norms of that culture and how they influence people related to a specific case of rape.
You have a problem with understading what you read. And please do not assume knowing any of my opinions on these issues, because with your emotional, knee jerk reactions on gender issues or the way you use the word feminism, in just 2 posts you proved you are dumb stereotype who thinks a woman criticising about patriarchal norms out loud is something baaad or a sign of no intelligence.
That^s a lot from someone who can't get the hang of a clearly made expressions. I'm also probably the only person here in this forum talk about how males are oppresssed in the ame way. You on the other hand, by your expression of 'we are so oppressive' simply show your poor understanding -mostly lack of it- of feminism. Don't come
Frankly, I am sick of males acting like a pack of dogs barking at every statement made by a woman to criticise obviously fucked up norms of human culture and gender aspect of that. You are screaming your head off at every thread about religion and how it fucked us, BUT when it comes to criticising the gender norms and culture it created and installed for thousand years, it is nothing; as if we passed that, it is fucking 'bullshit'. And a woman saying this out loud and oh my....."insult her intelligence quick! She is a feminists!"
Hypocrite.
tl;dr: Learn to read, try to understand or fuck off. Don't come to me with your common place, main stream ideas of 'feminists are man haters' and that they are bent on asserting female supremacy bullshit. Finding out that there isn't a magic man up in the sky does not make you intelligence or enlightened which oviously think you are, while you can't even imagine the first thing about the people out of the borders of the country you live in.
@Drunken: Because feminists attack all men and insult them(all men are piggy rapists) and don't give a shit about any otherderstand in that part of the world its cr sex or sexual preference but themselves and that's like attacking me, a man, and saying I can have no pride in being a man. Also i unazy but in our part of the world its an thing of the present and a situation we must all face.
Joke time
Give that bitch a cannon, bitches love Canons!
Quote from: drunkenshoe on August 31, 2015, 02:33:40 PM
I am curious what are those things I have said about men. Especially because I haven't said anything about men -or women- AT ALL, but a certain culture; about social norms of that culture and how they influence people related to a specific case of rape.
You have a problem with understading what you read. And please do not assume knowing any of my opinions on these issues, because with your emotional, knee jerk reactions on gender issues or the way you use the word feminism, in just 2 posts you proved you are dumb stereotype who thinks a woman criticising about patriarchal norms out loud is something baaad or a sign of no intelligence.
That^s a lot from someone who can't get the hang of a clearly made expressions. I'm also probably the only person here in this forum talk about how males are oppresssed in the ame way. You on the other hand, by your expression of 'we are so oppressive' simply show your poor understanding -mostly lack of it- of feminism. Don't come
Frankly, I am sick of males acting like a pack of dogs barking at every statement made by a woman to criticise obviously fucked up norms of human culture and gender aspect of that. You are screaming your head off at every thread about religion and how it fucked us, BUT when it comes to criticising the gender norms and culture it created and installed for thousand years, it is nothing; as if we passed that, it is fucking 'bullshit'. And a woman saying this out loud and oh my....."insult her intelligence quick! She is a feminists!"
Hypocrite.
tl;dr: Learn to read, try to understand or fuck off. Don't come to me with your common place, main stream ideas of 'feminists are man haters' and that they are bent on asserting female supremacy bullshit. Finding out that there isn't a magic man up in the sky does not make you intelligence or enlightened which oviously think you are, while you can't even imagine the first thing about the people out of the borders of the country you live in.
YEAH - we're just a pack of dogs, out to insult your intelligence, even when you insult your own intelligence with dogmas which, much unlike the aggression of teenage boys, was entirely
learned from other women who have made their living by teaching you to be angry and blame your own shit on others! Sometimes you are wronged by men, get that, but it doesn't make you uncontradictable, and you are responsible for the parts you decide to play. The world is not really out to get you.
Just keep at it with the bogus name-calling, gotta say I love that - what else have you got?
Quote from: stromboli on August 31, 2015, 11:24:28 AM
Pretty sure Hijiri is being sarcastic to get a rise out of people. And people responded.
:clap:
Just want to bring this back up to give the following clip some context:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNt0anp7WK8
:lol:
Quote from: stromboli on August 31, 2015, 11:24:28 AM
Pretty sure Hijiri is being sarcastic to get a rise out of people. And people responded.
:clap:
Well that is not very nice! And here I thought it was just that time of the month. He! He!
Yes, Hijiri posted a joke. And we are all aware of it. We laghed at it. I was the first one to LOL. And thought it was funny.
Quote from: peacewithoutgod on August 31, 2015, 03:10:38 PM
YEAH - we're just a pack of dogs, out to insult your intelligence, even when you insult your own intelligence with dogmas which, much unlike the aggression of teenage boys, was entirely learned from other women who have made their living by teaching you to be angry and blame your own shit on others! Sometimes you are wronged by men, get that, but it doesn't make you uncontradictable, and you are responsible for the parts you decide to play. The world is not really out to get you.
Just keep at it with the bogus name-calling, gotta say I love that - what else have you got?
You are a king of strawmen.
What is this 'my shit' I am blaming on others? Tell me. Who am I blaming? What for? Again, what did I say about men? Nothing.
What fucking bullshit.
But you and almost all men are so scared and annoyed by any woman that gets loud about anything gender related and start to bark that they are out to get them. Listen to yourself. Who is angry?
Look at your reaction to a joke.
How old are you?
You know what? I really like that men like you are doomed to be fucked over by women, over and over again this or that way their entire lives. Without even getting a clue about it all.
Quote from: Solitary on August 31, 2015, 04:52:26 PM
Well that is not very nice! And here I thought it was just that time of the month. He! He!
Well I am a werewolf, as you may know. :P
Quote from: drunkenshoe on August 31, 2015, 05:45:06 PM
You are a king of strawmen.
What is this 'my shit' I am blaming on others? Tell me. Who am I blaming? What for? Again, what did I say about men? Nothing.
What fucking bullshit.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on August 31, 2015, 05:45:06 PM
But you and almost all men are so scared and annoyed by any woman that gets loud about anything gender related and start to bark that they are out to get them. Listen to yourself. Who is angry?
Ok, so you're
not blaming others for your problems, you are
not angry, and you do
not hate men. Then why in sweet fuck have you been acting so damned hostile to myself and several others all over this thread, particularly those who you know to be male?
Quote from: drunkenshoe on August 31, 2015, 05:45:06 PM
Look at your reaction to a joke.
Look at your reaction to
my joke! That's what it was, and if you thought it was in anger then you wouldn't know humor if it bit you in the ass.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on August 31, 2015, 05:45:06 PM
How old are you?
Honey, I'm really not the one for you - I prefer women with intelligence and maturity, not self-obsessed drama.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on August 31, 2015, 05:45:06 PM
You know what? I really like that men like you are doomed to be fucked over by women, over and over again this or that way their entire lives. Without even getting a clue about it all.
Nothing the least bit hostile, angry, or hateful there! You aren't hostile, angry, and hateful, that must be your evil twin? Please go check yourself into a mental hospital, immediately.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on August 31, 2015, 05:23:41 PM
Yes, Hijiri posted a joke. And we are all aware of it. We laghed at it. I was the first one to LOL. And thought it was funny.
So did I, and then I joked right back. Maybe it wasn't as funny, but it was to me, and I kept on laughing until you had to go Amazon all over this thread!
OW... When I asked you your age, I thought you to be a young male highly likely without any experience of the real world, someone didn't even leave the state or city he was born in. You know that expression? Like 'how old are you?!' Meaning, 'Are you a fucking kid?'
We have been talking about these subjects for a long time this forum. This is a male dominant forum. Males are roughly divided into two groups; old men who grew up in some blatantly sexist culture against females and young males without any real life experiences on these isssues other than hating women like Sarkeesian, because she dares to talk about their precious video games or the ocassional feminist vlogger daring to raise their voices.
Bunch of fucking kids and old men stomping their foot down in a rape thread of an 18 year old boy (captain of a football team) having a sex with a 15 year old girl BY KNOWING VERY WELL that it is illegal, that it could ruin his life, (which it did he is in the registry) highly likely participating in a game of 'let's fuck minors' while she said NO in the action, shouting back to me and others that I am blaming boys for all this and girls NEED to be educated, putting words in my mouth I have never said: supposedly I want him to rot in prison. And you wrote from all that to me that I hate men.
In the rape thread, I talked about men and women being patriarchal, the system being patriarchal and how people are forced into some norms from childhood to oppress each other by different means of a patriarchy. That's the clue. It's not just males...also the females. Males are not born with high sexual drives than females because of their gender, WE DON'T HAVE ANY SCEINTIFIC EVIDENCE TO BACK THIS UP. MALES are only FAR LESS STRICT IN SEXUAL ATTITUDE, because they ARE CONDITONED TO BE FROM BOYHOOD AS MALES.
You are so fucking biased and blind from the beginning, you just assume that I am blaming men; hating them, blaming 'my shit' on them (whatever that means)...You didn't have anything to justify what you said, but you insulted my intellligence and put words in my mouth just like that, because without even being aware, you are just projecting your own anger. You are so clueless, you don't even get where you stand by this with your general expression. 'Amazon'. Yeah... Good job. You managed to single another woman out with some slur. If I am not acting in a certain way and react to your bullshit, I should be called by some stigmatising name -meaning 'less or something else' than a woman- reserved for women in this position. And you are not intelligent enough to get that even this is a very good proof on your side of how you see women.
About that last remark, yeah you proved that you are a common idiot from your first post to me. Actualy, I'll give it to you that you are in some sort of consistency about your general views overall; world, people; men and women with your bullsiht. Clueless. You have a difficulty to understand what you read or put it into some perspective, let alone forming an independent opinion and attack the other with some stereotype emotional response WITHOUT even getting what she is talking about. All you can see is a woman that hates men because she is criticising human culture which OBVIOUSLY a lot of things are wrong with it esp. in gender issues. I don't see nothing wrong with telling you something of the sort.
Because of men like you, which makes the 99% of the male population in the world seeing feminists as enemies,actually every women who critcises something out loud in gender issues as enemies, instead of trying to get what is going on, put themselves in their shoes and think for a moment, the male gender will end up in a situation more fucked up than ever in the next 50 years.
This is going to happen in western cultures, because women ARE GOING TO GET EVERY EQUAL RIGHT with men, but continue to hold their 'privilages' bestowed upon them by patriarchal social system and males already being the disposable gender will end up the lowest class in the social hierarchy. Because nobody is listening or supporting feminists screaming their heads off about how feminism is about men as much as about women and men should get into feminism ASAP to balance this.
The only women you listen are the angry ones -I don't blame them a bit while don't agree with their points- because being angry is perfectly acceptable for all of us, men or women esp. considering what kind of bulshit you have to put up if you are born with a vagina and grow breats. If you are not aware of this, then you are the 'white man' who can't see any racism around. Don't whine when you are fucked over.
In short, call it mean or obnoxious, I find it amusing that men like you will never get a real healthy relationship with a woman. I also highly doubt if you had any one of those. I also think exactly the same thing about a certain group of women with a certain approach to men, but as you just labeled me as some 'man hater' based on nothing, with your hypocrtical bullshit out of your ass, we'll never get to a point to talk about something real on these issues.
I had many boyfriends. Two of them were long relationships, one 4 other is 8 years. I have never had any problems of the sort with them, because they were intelligent and willing enough to understand; self aware that something is wrong with all societies; that in general human culture there is inherent hostility against the female gender by men AND women. They weren't feminists, they were sensible humanbeings with eyes and ears and they tried. Call it luck, wise picks or may be the fact you can't get that I may have an idea what I am talking about as a woman and that this has nothing to do with being a 'man hater' as you take joy masturbating over.
By the way, you didn't even get the joke, let alone make a new one to respond.
take your man hating else where this is the joke thread
banana peels everywhere on the Mario track just to fuck my friend over
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on September 01, 2015, 07:13:14 AM
take your man hating else where this is the joke thread
banana peels everywhere on the Mario track just to fuck my friend over
A brain damaged piece of shit like you who thinks he should be allowed to post porn into the forum, because an artist posted a primitve style nude portrait of a woman 'showing nipples' (and because that it is 'porn') and people are just being assholes for not letting him or type 'are you offering?' to the sex thread whenever a female posts something about themselves, doesn't get to have a saying on where do I bring my posts or why.
Now, get the fuck out of my face.
https://youtu.be/6NXnxTNIWkc
Serious mode off, since it is so hard to understand what SmOff means. Insults against men and boys because of ones age, but I'm not angry and don't hate men or boys. Really? Is it just daddy issues, or young men issues trying to get in your pants? I hear you roar, and it is deafening. SmOn. I like your spirit and defense of women who are treated unjustly, but your generalization on men and boys, and me thinking because we like woman and sex with them makes us sexist, rapist, and molesters is so wrong. I'm so sorry if you have been abused, treated unfairly by a society controlled by men, or even raped. But it simply isn't true that "all" men and boys are like that. Yes you don't directly say you don't like men or am a man hater, but then why so much venom towards men or boys that stick up for themselves with your accusations towards them? Life is a bitch (No what-ever-you think towards women or you!) and we all have to deal with it, boys, men, girls, women, gays, lesbians, bisexuals, trans gendered, gender queer, what ever, but carrying a chip on your shoulder is quite a burden, it makes people want to knock it off when you get so strident in your posts. Are you Judge Judy?
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 01, 2015, 07:28:40 AM
A brain damaged piece of shit like you who thinks he should be allowed to post porn into the forum, because an artist posted a primitve style nude portrait of a woman 'showing nipples' (and because that it is 'porn') and people are just being assholes for not letting him or type 'are you offering?' to the sex thread whenever a female posts something about themselves, doesn't get to have a saying on where do I bring my posts or why.
Now, get the fuck out of my face.
Oh, grow up! Calling everyone who you disagree with a POS does not make you better than them, and calling everyone who has a penis a POS only reveals your ignorance and immaturity.
Can't we all just get along as fellow human beings without all the fucking labels? I hate labels. :wall:
Quote from: peacewithoutgod on September 01, 2015, 09:57:09 AM
Oh, grow up! Calling everyone who you disagree with a POS does not make you better than them, and calling everyone who has a penis a POS only reveals your ignorance and immaturity.
That's not written to you. It's written to a poster who came out of nowhere and tried to make an insult without engaging anything related to the subject. Twice. He was ignored for the first time. He didn't like that.
Your post is above at the begining of the page.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 01, 2015, 10:28:59 AM
That's not written to you. It's written to a poster who came out of nowhere and tried to make an insult without engaging anything related to the subject. Twice. He was ignored for the first time. He didn't like that.
Your post is above at the begining of the page.
I know exactly who you've been posting to, you have been posting to Male. I am male, and I've seen enough of the hateful ignorance and intellectual foulness which you've been throwing shit-tons of at people who you do not and will not try to understand. On this it matters not who you are addressing anymore, it's all the same coming from you.
(http://i.imgur.com/S6HAKVZ.gif)
I fit was meant to me, it is wasted, can't see the pic.
It was popcorn.
Oh well, sorry to disappoint then, because I put the 'you hate me because I have a penis' idiot above on ignore.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 01, 2015, 01:30:08 PM
Oh well, sorry to disappoint then, because I put the 'you hate me because I have a penis' idiot above on ignore.
She was generalizing against all men - to her we are a different species, or subspecies which she cannot, or will make no attempt to understand. We subjugated women because they allowed it, :blahblah: :blahblah:
Some women really do express the Amazon warrior mindset, and it makes me wonder how they could ever have reproduced without subjugating, or at least objectifying men.
We really should try and keep it fun, people! :mrgreen:
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 01, 2015, 07:28:40 AM
A brain damaged piece of shit like you who thinks he should be allowed to post porn into the forum, because an artist posted a primitve style nude portrait of a woman 'showing nipples' (and because that it is 'porn') and people are just being assholes for not letting him or type 'are you offering?' to the sex thread whenever a female posts something about themselves, doesn't get to have a saying on where do I bring my posts or why.
Now, get the fuck out of my face.
Yeah Ill admit I was a bit wrong I guess in that artsy category, even tho I still think its porn(but will move on because the majority thinks otherwise); that's life full of different opinions but moves on because meh. But shit you are acting like a total misandrist and in case you do not know what that is here:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/misandrist
[spoiler]hatred of men (or boys, hell anything male)[/spoiler]
I'm a pervert but so is everyone in the fucking planet, if you say your not, your a fucking liar.
[spoiler]Plus I'm a virgin so I'm like extra perverted[/spoiler]
lighten up, Ive been a ill tempered child too much and need to grow up and be more even tempered and cool, consider this advice and chill and learn to love not hate for that will lead you on the path to good person.
Joke time: what you get when you smash your brother up?
[spoiler]Smash brothers
Totally lame joke[/spoiler]
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on September 01, 2015, 02:26:49 PM
Yeah Ill admit I was a bit wrong I guess in that artsy category, even tho I still think its porn(but will move on because the majority thinks otherwise); that's life full of different opinions but moves on because meh. But shit you are acting like a total misandrist and in case you do not know what that is here:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/misandrist
[spoiler]hatred of men (or boys, hell anything male)[/spoiler]
I'm a pervert but so is everyone in the fucking planet, if you say your not, your a fucking liar.
[spoiler]Plus I'm a virgin so I'm like extra perverted[/spoiler]
lighten up, Ive been a ill tempered child too much and need to grow up and be more even tempered and cool, consider this advice and chill and learn to love not hate for that will lead you on the path to good person.
Joke time: what you get when you smash your brother up?
[spoiler]Smash brothers
Totally lame joke[/spoiler]
Thanks, I always wondered why there wasn't a word for that. First time I ever heard of it.
Quote from: Solitary on September 01, 2015, 02:37:50 PM
Thanks, I always wondered why there wasn't a word for that. First time I ever heard of it.
On porn, I haven't REALLY seen any posted here, but then everyone has their own version on how that's defined. Beyond any dispute there has been a good amount of material posted within the past month which is NSFW, and even some of the avatars by which users express themselves create an environment where one cannot feel comfortable browsing this site when not in private. Having enjoyed most of this myself, I would hardly be the one to spoil anybody's fun, but then maybe it's time for a discussion on what is NSFW, the differences between this and porn, and maybe get a button option to hide NSFW material before the user pushes it. Setting up your post with such a warning when appropriate would have to be honor-system based, but most of us here seem to be fairly considerate of others.
I personally don't see nudity as porn. I think Playboy magazine, and Penthouse magazine are, and Hustler magazine is, but I see nothing wrong with porn that isn't shoved in my face. That didn't come out right, damned I can't quit make innuendoes, still doing it, oh fuck, I give up. Sorry it just won't stop. HELP! :lol:
Quote from: Solitary on September 01, 2015, 03:55:13 PM
I personally don't see nudity as porn. I think Playboy magazine, and Penthouse magazine are, and Hustler magazine is, but I see nothing wrong with porn that isn't shoved in my face. That didn't come out right, damned I can't quit make innuendoes, still doing it, oh fuck, I give up. Sorry it just won't stop. HELP! :lol:
:rotflmao: :eyes: :rotflmao: :eyes: :rotflmao: :eyes: :mrgreen:
Quote from: Green Bottle on September 01, 2015, 07:51:36 AM
https://youtu.be/6NXnxTNIWkc
Ya know, I only heard that song about 6 years ago. I really like it.
Quote from: aitm on September 01, 2015, 04:45:36 PM
Ya know, I only heard that song about 6 years ago. I really like it.
Some of the girl groups of their time really had talent, or at least they had good writers. Here's another that rocked:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxrwImCJCqk
EDIT!!!!
Whoops, I somehow knew it had to be a cover, despite what my idiot room mate said when I started playing in college. But it's stll a kickass cover of Paul Simon.
You are aware of course:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnZdlhUDEJo
I am now, as I sort of knew, but couldn't quite nail down who I heard it from first! Still, those ladies did a good job covering it.
On Simon, I tend to like his songwriting more than his performances. Some great writers needed better musicians to make the best of their stuff, another such example was the legendary and prolific Bob Dylan.