believing in a religion requires denying any others.
there are about 10,000 religion according to britannica encyclopedia.
a christian or a muslim denies 10,000-1=9,999 religion and thinks that theirs is true.
atheists deny just one more religion.
:D:D
I can't deny a religion, thats like denying horsefuckers don't exist, when we know they do.
I can easily say its cultist bullshit leading sheeple into mob mentality based on childish imagining, but I can't deny that it happens and people are that stupid.
Quote from: Munch on August 28, 2015, 11:47:07 AM
I can't deny a religion, thats like denying horsefuckers don't exist, when we know they do.
I can easily say its cultist bullshit leading sheeple into mob mentality based on childish imagining, but I can't deny that it happens and people are that stupid.
there also exist quran which is believed by millions of people but this doesn't chance the book is full of bullshit.
the word ''deny'' may not be suitable.
Quoteatheists deny just one more religion!..
I don't believe I've ever heard of a theist respond to that challenge. They usually just let it go by. I find that odd, because it hammers them with a version of their own criticism: The theist "How can you not believe in God" is countered by the atheist "How can you not believe in all the other Gods?"
It's almost like theists can't even comprehend the question.
I don't deny any religion. They're based on imaginary beings, but the religions are, sadly, very real.
Quote from: SoldierofFortune on August 28, 2015, 11:35:32 AM
believing in a religion requires denying any others.
there are about 10,000 religion according to britannica encyclopedia.
a christian or a muslim denies 10,000-1=9,999 religion and thinks that theirs is true.
atheists deny just one more religion.
:D:D
So you 99.99% percent an atheist.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 28, 2015, 12:13:16 PM
So you 99.99% percent an atheist.
i am an agnostic-atheist and give a chance to a transcendental god.
but i have no proof that any kind of god exist and i don't believe in there is any book that sent by god.
Quote from: SoldierofFortune on August 28, 2015, 12:29:54 PM
i am an agnostic-atheist and give a chance to a transcendental god.
but i have no proof that any kind of god exist and i don't believe in there is any book that sent by god.
Okay, 100%.
BTW, "agnostic" is a pussy position.
religion is defined as 1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a super human agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often contain a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs. Now the question is the assumptions that there is a cause and purpose of the universe, and also that it requires super "HUMAN" agency or agencies. So when theists assume they make an ASS-U-ME. Considering they believe in a super "human" agency or agencies, doesn't that show God, or gods, are created in the image of a man and mankind, and not the other way around? And why would this creature require devotion and ritual observance accept to placate the creature to keep themselves from harm? The moral code is a slippery slope unless you revoke a God, or gods to say what it should be. But the real clinchers to me is how anyone could ever know there is a God, or gods with no evidence accept subjective experiences created by their minds, or that because religion is pragmatic it has to be the truth, when every day occurrences show it doesn't work anymore than chance so can't be true. Religion is for the frighten, and easily manipulated intellectually lazy people that believe magic is real with a God, or gods. To argue with them is like arguing with a small child that lives in a fantasy world, or a delusional person in an insane asylum who believes he is God, because he knows he is because he feels it in his soul. :wall:
The proposition only works with monotheism. A monotheist (and technically the Christians are not monotheists) denies all gods but one. So this is a semi straw man argument. Polytheists have no problem accepting the gods of other peoples .. the Romans did for example, provided that the cultus wasn't a threat to the State. Pacifist cults are a threat, so are messianic Jewish cults (who seek to overthrow Roman rule). Only pacifist messianic Jewish cults managed to survive, barely ... until rescued by being coopted by the Roman state. This is why actual monotheists like orthodox Jews and orthodox Muslims ... are a threat to everyone one way or another.
Quote from: SoldierofFortune on August 28, 2015, 12:29:54 PM
i am an agnostic-atheist and give a chance to a transcendental god.
but i have no proof that any kind of god exist and i don't believe in there is any book that sent by god.
Probably won't make any sense to you guys but here I go.
I see no separation between what could be called a "transcendental god" and the reality we're living in.
I think a lot of the texts have been inspired by subconscious archetypes basically Jungian archetypes.
I don't believe in a personal god, heaven, or hell but I also don't believe death is necessarily the end.
I don't look at myself as a body and mind but as a universal self(a piece of the godhead).
(The wave is a wave but at the same time it's always the ocean.)
Personality/ego is something the self has but it's not the self because the self stays the same and stuff like personality can change.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnWxCgiZfrc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90-2Dg2CJdw
The seer (Atman, Self) is not born, nor does he die,
He does not originate from anybody, nor does he become anybody,
Eternal, ancient one, he remains eternal,
he is not killed, even though the body is killed.
If the killer thinks that he kills,
if the killed thinks that he is killed,
they do not understand;
for this one does not kill, nor is that one killed.
The Self (Atman), smaller than small, greater than great,
is hidden in the heart of each creature,
Free from avarice, free from grief, peaceful and content,
he sees the supreme glory of Atman.
QuoteOnly when Manas (mind) with thoughts and the five senses stand still,
and when Buddhi (intellect, power to reason) does not waver, that they call the highest path.
That is what one calls Yoga, the stillness of the senses, concentration of the mind,
It is not thoughtless heedless sluggishness, Yoga is creation and dissolution.
Sorta like this
QuoteThe collective unconscious is an universal datum, that is, every human being is endowed with this psychic archetype-layer since his/her birth. One can not acquire this strata by education or other conscious effort because it is innate.
We may also describe it as a universal library of human knowledge, or the sage in man, the very transcendental wisdom that guides mankind.
Jung stated that the religious experience must be linked with the experience of the archetypes of the collective unconscious. Thus, God himself is lived like a psychic experience of the path that leads one to the realization of his/her psychic wholeness.
The collective unconscious - so far as we can say anything about it at all - appears to consist of mythological motifs or primordial images, for which reason the myths of all nations are its real exponents. In fact, the whole of mythology could be taken as a sort of projection of the collective unconscious... We can therefore study the collective unconscious in two ways, either in mythology or in the analysis of the individual.
Quote from: Nihil-ist on August 28, 2015, 01:10:09 PM
Probably won't make any sense to you guys but here I go.
I see no separation between what could be called a "transcendental god" and the reality we're living in.
I think a lot of the texts have been inspired by subconscious archetypes basically Jungian archetypes.
I don't believe in a personal god, heaven, or hell but I also don't believe death is necessarily the end.
I don't look at myself as a body and mind but as a universal self(a piece of the godhead).
(The wave is a wave but at the same time it's always the ocean.)
Personality/ego is something the self has but it's not the self because the self stays the same and stuff like personality can change.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnWxCgiZfrc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90-2Dg2CJdw
The seer (Atman, Self) is not born, nor does he die,
He does not originate from anybody, nor does he become anybody,
Eternal, ancient one, he remains eternal,
he is not killed, even though the body is killed.
If the killer thinks that he kills,
if the killed thinks that he is killed,
they do not understand;
for this one does not kill, nor is that one killed.
The Self (Atman), smaller than small, greater than great,
is hidden in the heart of each creature,
Free from avarice, free from grief, peaceful and content,
he sees the supreme glory of Atman.
Sorta like this
Ommmmm..........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swLHQMGxY1I
There are beliefs as stupid as a belief in Gods, or God, all for the same reason, belief in magic and the supernatural, with absolutely no logical, or objective evidence. I had a girlfriend, that was a former Wiccan, believed in Hindu rituals, Crystals, and a cosmic God. She was a terrific lover, who had a copy of the Kama Sutra, and was a Punker who would try anything once. I do think she did put a spell on me though, like the waving of an oboe does with the way it moves on a Cobra. :eek: It didn't hurt that she always had the best pot you can find, and afford the very best Tequila and wine. :syda: :pidu:
To me this observation is as close as you get to proving there is no God.
Because even if he literally came down from the sky at this moment, he could only cater to one faction out of 10000. Why?
Because Theists would never accept a God that, for example, caters to both Muslims and Christians. If he does so, he does not meet the requirements for either. He has to hate everyone else without exception.
Everyone`s definition of God is hopelessly mutually exclusive, and at best he could only cater to a minority.
Nihil-ist - "I see no separation between what could be called a "transcendental god" and the reality we're living in." ... rather ... I see no separation between what could be called an "immanent god" and the reality we're living in. A transcendent anything is beyond knowing anyway ... but I am open to what is beyond knowing.
Cocoa Beware - Yes, one monstrous aspect is that G-d will accept everyone, including atheists. I am trying to be that monstrous, but I am too small and too nice ;-))
Stromboli ... Kabbalist believe that the Hebrew text of the Tanakh, is one long "om". Hindus are just too lazy ;-) In one version, the whole Tanakh is set to chanted music (not the cantillation of modern synagogues) ... it is a melodic "om" ... an kind of Jewish opera.
Now that is something I have to see----a Jewish opera played by Hindu singers. I can see the Billboard now:
You are falling right into the Kashmiri's trap ... you saw the pictures of the Jewish-Indian synagogue?
A great book is "The Jew In The Lotus" ... where Orthodox Judaism faces off with the Dalai Lama.
Quote from: stromboli on August 28, 2015, 01:32:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swLHQMGxY1I
as a Moody, I highly object to you bringing their "essence" into such a silly argument..the Moodies are worthy of god status and should be treated as such. I have submitted you to their registry and can only assume you will die a painful death…sorry about that but one doesn't simply post Moodies music into a mindless trivial event…..so….can I have your car?
Quote from: aitm on August 28, 2015, 08:57:13 PM
as a Moody, I highly object to you bringing their "essence" into such a silly argument..the Moodies are worthy of god status and should be treated as such. I have submitted you to their registry and can only assume you will die a painful death…sorry about that but one doesn't simply post Moodies music into a mindless trivial event…..so….can I have your car?
The Moody Blues! Once you have been Moody-ed, that's it--there is no higher place to be!
The Lord of Raja yoga is Shiva ... and sadhus are crazy people. But when observing India, it is like observing thru a time machine, you are seeing ancient people who are living in the present time ... and I find ancient people to be very interesting.
Shiva's sacred song and sacred mountain (Moses?) ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iRdzHQqrC4
Shivas worshipper ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqC1QrFSBBA
Of course they do mediation in E Asia and SE Asia ... but this is the Hindu original.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 28, 2015, 12:52:59 PM
Okay, 100%.
BTW, "agnostic" is a pussy position.
Yeah, it isn't really different than being a 6 on the Dawkins scale of 1 to 7. I said I was a 6, but I didn't consider the decimal options - in that case I'm 6.9999999...