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Personally, I like the 2000 suicidal pigs story, an account of which can be found here in (Luke 8:32-33)

http://www.bibletrektoday.com/tag/suicidal-pigs/

“A large heard of pigs was feeding there on the hillside.  The demons begged Jesus to let them go into them, and He gave them permission.  When the demons came out of the man, they went into the pigs, and the herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and drowned".

The sin of Onan.

QuoteGenesis 38:8-10 (NASB) Then Judah said to Onan, “Go in to your brother’s wife, and perform your duty as a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother.” Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother’s wife, he wasted his seed on the ground in order not to give offspring to his brother. But what he did was displeasing in the sight of the Lord; so He took his life also.

So man doesn't want to have sex with his brother's wife, so he ejaculates on the ground and God kills him. Everyone wins. And it then resulted in more than a millennia of boys being told they'll go blind and develop hair on their palms if they masturbate.

There are just too many to pick only one.

I'd really have to go with the binding of issac. It has to be one of the most fucked up stories the bible touts. I would have put sodom and gomorrah on there, but that story is more about how fucking stupid Christians are "We're all homosexuals, and we want to fuck you!" - "No, here, have my daughter instead" - "Alright, we gays will fuck your daughter instead!".

But the binding of issac is just proof, that the god of the bible such a depraved and fucked up character, in how he would push a father into murdering his own son, all for his 'divine love', and the only reason he stops is because of an angel god sends saying "its okay, you don't have to do that after all, the fact you were going to do it means your worthy".

imagine stories like in the bible, as real life stories. Now see how these stories are about fucked up people doing fucked up things, and yet preachers try to convince their followers these are stories to live by.

My favorite is Baalam's ass ... the donkey can see the angel warning Baalam to stop ... and simply lays down or sits down, and Baalam can't beat him enough to make him go forward.  And the ass and Baalam have a conversation about it ;-)  "Why are you beating me, can't you see that angel who is guarding the way?".  A very early version of "Saved By An Angel".

On the binding of Isaac.  If this was a Canaanite story ... then the sacrifice would have proceeded, and the fertility of the fields and the fecundity of the livestock assured.  Since it didn't, this is actually a statement against child sacrifice (actually Isaac was a young man at the time ... but we still sacrifice those on battlefields all over) ... it is actually progressive.  Now the crucifixion of Jesus is of course directly related ... this young man does his duty which leads to a judicial sacrifice of a Son ... that the Father approves.  Baal, the god of the Canaanites was a dying/rising god ... and is the predecessor of Jesus, as any Jew could tell you, well before Mithras.  Jesus is accused of being a form of Baal ... Baal-ze-bub.

Quote from: Baruch on June 29, 2015, 12:59:29 PM
My favorite is Baalam's ass ... the donkey can see the angel warning Baalam to stop ... and simply lays down or sits down, and Baalam can't beat him enough to make him go forward.  And the ass and Baalam have a conversation about it ;-)  "Why are you beating me, can't you see that angel who is guarding the way?".  A very early version of "Saved By An Angel".

On the binding of Isaac.  If this was a Canaanite story ... then the sacrifice would have proceeded, and the fertility of the fields and the fecundity of the livestock assured.  Since it didn't, this is actually a statement against child sacrifice (actually Isaac was a young man at the time ... but we still sacrifice those on battlefields all over) ... it is actually progressive.  Now the crucifixion of Jesus is of course directly related ... this young man does his duty which leads to a judicial sacrifice of a Son ... that the Father approves.  Baal, the god of the Canaanites was a dying/rising god ... and is the predecessor of Jesus, as any Jew could tell you, well before Mithras.  Jesus is accused of being a form of Baal ... Baal-ze-bub.

Baruch, I really like reading your stuff.  I had not realized that Baal was a dying/rising god.  That sheds light on a couple of things for me.  No wonder Christianity is so warlike.  The Fathers have been sending their sons to sacrifice themselves on the field of battle forever. 

The crucifixion.

*cult leader is executed by the authorities*

Cult reaction:  "He's still alive!  All part of the divine plan!"

Roman soldier:  *facia palm*

I always gravitate to the one about the  guy getting swallowed by Moby Dick.  He hangs out for three days in a stomach full of gastric juices, and then the whale vomits him out, and he can still see, use his limbs, and talk, and presumably, he didn't even smell that bad.  What did he breath in there?  Now that's the kind of miracle we need more of today.  I'm simply not impressed when someone reports they've seen an image of the Virgin Mary in bread mold.

I'm a sucker for a happy ending... and fact I'm bald has nothing to do with it whatsoever.

Found in: 4 Kings 2:23-24

One of the more inspirational passages in the Bible tells the story of Elijah, a wise man, yet one cursed with male pattern baldness. One day he was minding his own business, making the long walk to Bethel, when he is attacked by a roving band of children who tease him with names like “bald head.” But Elijah was having none of this, he turns round and curses them in the name of the Lord, and instantly two female bears emerge from a nearby wood and maul all 42 children to death.


For more Bible fun, click here: http://listverse.com/2008/01/31/top-10-bizarre-biblical-tales/

Quote from: GSOgymrat on June 29, 2015, 06:29:42 PM
I'm a sucker for a happy ending... and fact I'm bald has nothing to do with it whatsoever.

Found in: 4 Kings 2:23-24

One of the more inspirational passages in the Bible tells the story of Elijah, a wise man, yet one cursed with male pattern baldness. One day he was minding his own business, making the long walk to Bethel, when he is attacked by a roving band of children who tease him with names like “bald head.” But Elijah was having none of this, he turns round and curses them in the name of the Lord, and instantly two female bears emerge from a nearby wood and maul all 42 children to death.


For more Bible fun, click here: http://listverse.com/2008/01/31/top-10-bizarre-biblical-tales/

This one has always been one of my favorites.

I would suspect the "youths" which would be an adult male not yet married ... were doing some feral gangsta' rappin'.  The two she-bears would be agents of the copy-write holder, enforcing their intellectual rights against such bold plagiarism ;-)  I like it better, when Spock just pinches the young man unconscious, then turns off his boom box.

There are many dying/rising gods ... but the fact that Baal was worshipped on top of a mountain in Syria/Lebanon, and is the nearest analogous dying/rising god ... along with Osiris, who was famous in Egypt, but may have originated very early in Lebanon ... means there are plenty of clued to go by.  The priests of Baal went up on the mountain to worship him.  Also Sin is the name of the Syrian moon god, worshipped up in Harran, where Abraham hails from ... though I suspect Abraham was a Hurrian, rather than a Semite ... because this ties him back to Noah's Ark which was a story from Hurri aka Armenia.  Semites don't hail from Armenia.  The Jewish people still use a lunar calendar (the solar one was popularized in Egypt) and call themselves "people of the Moon".  So what is Mt Sin-ai?  In Midian perhaps?  Or just confused for a different mountain called Mt Horeb (in Midian).  And there is that strange contest between prophet Elijah and the prophets of Baal on Mt Carmel ... a very ancient cult site since Neanderthals were found there.  The opposition between the Moon god people and the Mountain god people .. got complicated.  Sun god people are clearly exposed to too much Sun ;-)  And those Philistines with their sea god worship were a bit fishy too (Dagon is half man, half fish .. but that goes back to Eridu, the first city, at the head of the Persian Gulf.  PS, in a few places, the Jewish god is referred to as a young man of war ... King David was that god's incarnation.  But then Allah is clearly a war god also, of the Arabic cousins ... who say that Ishmael was nearly sacrificed, not Isaac.

 This one

Jesus Curses the Fig Tree

12 On the following day, when they came from Bethany, he was hungry. 13 And seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to see if he could find anything on it. When he came to it, he found nothing but leaves, for it was not the season for figs. 14 And he said to it, “May no one ever eat fruit from you again.” And his disciples heard it.

and shortly after that he goes on to flip all the tables of the money lenders.

It would probably make a great snickers commerical though.

Quote from: Termin on June 29, 2015, 10:58:31 PM
This one

Jesus Curses the Fig Tree

12 On the following day, when they came from Bethany, he was hungry. 13 And seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to see if he could find anything on it. When he came to it, he found nothing but leaves, for it was not the season for figs. 14 And he said to it, “May no one ever eat fruit from you again.” And his disciples heard it.

and shortly after that he goes on to flip all the tables of the money lenders.

It would probably make a great snickers commerical though.

So the lesson is, if nature doesn't obey God's shitty little son, everyone else can starve.

And the fig tree sayeth onto itself, "Damn it.  I've been cursed.  Woe unto me."

Just read the entirety of the book of Job. If you want to get a feel for how fucking stupid the goat-fuckers of old thought of their deity then I recommend reading just that part of the Babble to get a feel for what they imagined their god to be like. spoiler alert: a fucking psychopath.

The Book of Job is a reworked pagan wisdom literature ... that had a Jewish beginning and ending added on.  This is one of the few places Satan is mentioned in the Bible ... in this case as the evil vizier of G-d.  The additions are pathetic IMHO also.  The middle parts, the arguments of Job's friends, deals with all the excuses people come up with for the cruelty of G-d.  Needless to say, whether religious or not, people wonder why bad things happen.  In theology this is called theodicy.  The ending basically says, that G-d is a bigger bully than you ... not good theology ... but I think truthful.  Believing in a nice god, given the world as it is, is childish.  The Bible is adult literature/propaganda ... it was never meant for children ... including the blood porn parts.  Basically it says that the world is an ugly mess, and that it is up to people to deal with it, no matter what blessings or cursing some your way.  I have a coworker with a bad back, who fell and broke her shoulder before she can get her back operated on.  She is livid with rage, because she is in a really bad way, even though she has her teenage son to help her.  Don't know if she will follow the advice of Job's wife ... and curse G-d or not.  My personal position is to continue to live day to day, and remind G-d that this sucks, mostly.  Gratitude for the small good things, but despising over the big bad things.  G-d makes a very bad parent or boss ... a monster.

Quote from: Baruch on June 30, 2015, 06:47:15 AMG-d makes a very bad parent or boss ... a monster.

Verily, I say unto you.....................

I'm pretty sure that all sin originating from some woman eating fresh fruit is pretty fucked up.  To this day whenever I'm at the market and see a woman pick up an apple I can't help but to think she should be put to death on the spot so I always keep several thousand rocks in my pocket to stone them to death at a moments notice. .

My favorite scene in Life of Brian ... is where the liberate women show up in fake beards, because they don't want to be left out of the stoning ;-)

The swallowing of Jonah was mythical, because the beast is Leviathan.  Leviathan and Behemoth were mythical beasts who were left alive from primeval times.  Behemoth was slain early on, but the Leviathan won't be slain until the End Times.  In imagination, Leviathan is what is for supper, at the Heavenly Last Supper ... hopefully not as such ;-)  Think of it as an enormous fugu.

So basically Jonah wanted to flee from G-d, because he didn't want to prophesy.  And he found out that this was futile, because of Last Judgement.  So he agreed to go to Nineveh (Assyrian capital of iniquity) to preach to the Gentiles to repent, so that G-d doesn't destroy them.  Jonah hates Gentiles, and doesn't want them to repent ... but surprisingly they do, and so they are saved.  This really pisses off Jonah.  Jonah is the archetype of the Jew who wants all the Gentiles to go to Hell ... but this isn't G-d's plan.  There was a Jewish boy once, who asked his father, "Why did G-d make so many Gentiles?" ... the father replies, "Because Hell isn't full yet!".  Hate is the problem here, not who is the object of the hate.

How about when God killed 70,000 people because David took a census.  (A census that it seems like God told him to take, or the devil told him to take it, or god told the devil to tell him to take it, I'm not really sure)

God: I know what'll teach David not to count his people!  Killing 70,000 of them.

It's confusing, because part of Samuel seems to suggest god told him to take that census.  So basically:

God: You took the census I told you to take?!  I'm going to kill 70,000 people because of that!

Tracy, you're just upset that Eve got all the glory and not Lilith that liked to be on top during sex. Just kidding, inside joke.

By all means, read up on Lilith ... not the character from Cheers, but there is a similarity ;-)  All the good stuff got left out of the Bible.

In Genesis 30, we read the story of how Jacob acquired a huge flock of sheep from the wealth of Laban. He did this by removing all of the brown, spotted, and striped sheep from Laban's flocks, saying that if he ended up with any white sheep, Laban would know he had stolen them. Or something. Anyway, he apparently didn't have any understanding of genetics whatsoever, because in order to ensure that his sheep continued giving birth to stripey lambs, he cut stripes into some sticks from poplar, chestnut, and hazel trees and then put the sticks in or near the drinking troughs where the sheep could see them as they mated. (Verses 35-39)

Now, I remember my mother saying that her stepmother believed that if a pregnant woman ate strawberries, she'd give birth to a baby with a strawberry birthmark. In many societies, pregnant women are forbidden to eat certain foods, or even to look at certain objects, lest their babies be born deformed or dead. I assume that similar beliefs existed in Hebrew society in the past, resulting in the absurd story in Genesis of animals having striped and spotted offspring simply because they had looked upon sticks with stripes and spots cut into them. God is supposed to grant wisdom, but he sure didn't bother in Jacob's case.

"In the beginning, god created the heavens and the earth." Genesis 1:1

So much craziness, don't think I pick just one which isn't too close to the batshit craziness of other stories in that collection of shit-doodles. There's the actual ritual sacrifice of King Jephtah's daughter, who obediently returned to be killed by her father after he allowed her one more day to roam (uh-huh). Does that beat the story of Lot's daughters saying "let's get our father drunk so that he won't know it's us while we're fucking him, because the god of Abraham wants us to have his incest babies"...hmmm...then there's Jonah, talking to his god from inside the belly of the whale, for days on end, no trouble breathing, emerges unscathed by stomach acid. Yup.

Of course prehistoric Irish legends are much more logical ;-)

This one's my pick for the bugfuck craziest story in the whole book:

QuoteAnd, behold, there came an old man from his work out of the field at even, which was also of mount Ephraim; and he sojourned in Gibeah: but the men of the place were Benjamites.
And when he had lifted up his eyes, he saw a wayfaring man in the street of the city: and the old man said, Whither goest thou? and whence comest thou?
And he said unto him, We are passing from Bethlehemjudah toward the side of mount Ephraim; from thence am I: and I went to Bethlehemjudah, but I am now going to the house of the LORD; and there is no man that receiveth me to house.
Yet there is both straw and provender for our asses; and there is bread and wine also for me, and for thy handmaid, and for the young man which is with thy servants: there is no want of any thing.
So he brought him into his house, and gave provender unto the asses: and they washed their feet, and did eat and drink.
Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him. 
And the man, the master of the house, went out unto them, and said unto them, Nay, my brethren, nay, I pray you, do not so wickedly; seeing that this man is come into mine house, do not this folly.
Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing.
But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go.
Then came the woman in the dawning of the day, and fell down at the door of the man's house where her lord was, till it was light.
And her lord rose up in the morning, and opened the doors of the house, and went out to go his way: and, behold, the woman his concubine was fallen down at the door of the house, and her hands were upon the threshold.
And he said unto her, Up, and let us be going. But none answered. Then the man took her up upon an ass, and the man rose up, and gat him unto his place.
And when he was come into his house, he took a knife, and laid hold on his concubine, and divided her, together with her bones, into twelve pieces, and sent her into all the coasts of Israel.
And it was so, that all that saw it said, There was no such deed done nor seen from the day that the children of Israel came up out of the land of Egypt unto this day: consider of it, take advice, and speak your minds.

Judges 19:16-30

Notice this is a reply of the Sodom story with Lot.  And that story was about hospitality, not gay rape.

This is biblical snuff porn.  These stories were declaimed around hearth fires and camp fires, while eating kosher smores.

Dude, are you fucking serious? Lot offered in exchange for that male stranger his own daughter to be raped by that mob! Being gay, they didn't desire her, but they did kill her. I can't believe this was more than a story, but it was despicable testament to the value which the society of that time had for women.

The slow rise of women, after repeated gang rape by invading warriors, or casual rape by slave owners, who then produce sons who repeat a generational cycle of violence, is a heroic one.  The Russians did the same thing to German women in 1945.

The position of women in Hebrew society was a little greater than among the civilized Europeans.  Women were mostly free under barbaric European tribes.  In Jewish law women could at least inherit in their own name (case law of sisters who had no brothers to play patriarch).  This was denied to American women until the 19th century in many cases.  Among most Greek women, they were kept indoors and secluded like later Arab society which adopted the more civilized Greek customs.  Pagan Arab women were free.  Spartan women were free also.  But Roman women were the most wretched ... in classic Latin society ... women didn't even have given names ... no more than you would name a favorite horse or chair.  A Roman name of "Julia" only meant a woman of the Julian clan.  "Barbara" meant a European but non-Roman/non-Greek woman.  At least Greek women had given names.  The invasion of horse riding, chariot driving nomads is usually negative.

Baruch, you're avoiding the issue with trivial lectures - you said Lot's exchange of his own daughter to an insane mob for the protection of a stranger was just "hospitality" - I think you need to clarify yourself on that, because that just looks utterly freaky. We both know the story is fiction, but I don't think such treatment of any child, as part of a story taught in every church should be taken with such indifference.

  I think what he's saying is that hospitality is , to the author of the story, the most important aspect of it, it's what makes Lot different than everyone else in Sodom who seemingly just walks around in groups and takes what they want.

In the author's mind, giving up his daughters was not a problem,(due to that societies view of their value, or lack of)  but rather a gesture of goodwill. I don't think he's saying it's was the right thing to do, merely explaining how the author saw it.

If y'all want me to get judgmental on the actions of fictional characters well ... I think that Easter Bunny is a communist, giving away eggs to little children.

Termin is correct ... and the literary borrowing from the story of Lot to the story of the Benjaminite incident is obvious.  The question should be, what would stories like that mean, to the early people who listened to them.  They weren't read much before Roman Imperial times ... but were declaimed to an audience.

I've watched anime and read horror stories that have done that kind of creepy shit to children before, but those are purposely aimed at the horror market to scared and make you feel unnerved. Its the hypocrisy of christianity to keep claiming the bible stories as a 'source of good' when they show similar horror stories and have no problem having a loud mouthed cunt preacher yelling those stories at children on a sunday service.

I would not be surprised to see that the impact of anime stories on American children is as great or greater over the last generation.  Not that I dislike anime ... I like it fine ... and in some respects, characters like Naruto teach good lessons.

Quote from: Baruch on August 13, 2015, 05:53:25 PM
I would not be surprised to see that the impact of anime stories on American children is as great or greater over the last generation.  Not that I dislike anime ... I like it fine ... and in some respects, characters like Naruto teach good lessons.

Well, I'm not a big anime fan overall, some good series here and there, but from what I understand from watching bennett the sage videoes, aside from a few rare gems, the more kid friendly animes, and studio ghibli movies, most of anime consists of this:
[spoiler](http://www.llamarepublik.com/hashbrowns/var/resizes/Hentai-Gifs/monster%20tentacles%20sliding%20up%20legs%20grabbing%20tits%20hentai%20porn%20gif%20xxx.gif?m=1371205262)[/spoiler]
and this:
[spoiler](https://kawaiikanae.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/tumblr_mg1gtiojuz1rpvx7lo7_250.gif)[/spoiler]

which honestly, just feels like something that could be found elsewhere without certain restraints

Anime started as cartoon porn for adults ... then it moved down market to the kiddies, as all cultural things do.

"studio ghibli movies" ... とてã,,良ã,,

yes, very good indeed ^^

One shouldn't be afraid of one's inner child, unless it has a tendency to break down into tantrums in the grocery store aisle ;-)

Unfortunately my inner child had a tendency to run away from home, giving his mother a heart attack.

But.. maybe we've deviated a little from the thread.

hmm, well I saw this one today on the skeptic fence show:

Your have to forward to 9:34 to see what I mean.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSKk1bQ9uC8

you heard it folks, apparently heaven is a few thousand light years away.

This is what happens why you confabulate ancient texts with modern situations ... or try to make ancient texts relevant to modern situations.  The Bible is literature, same as the Odyssey or Aeneid.  But there is probably someone somewhere who thinks that the Greek gods were ancient aliens ;-)  Because if we bring aliens into the story, then it seems modern.  Though I have seen a really good revamped Internet comic version of the Odyssey .. that basically has Odysseus telling the Greek gods that their day is done.

Quote from: Baruch on August 14, 2015, 06:31:03 AM
This is what happens why you confabulate ancient texts with modern situations ... or try to make ancient texts relevant to modern situations.  The Bible is literature, same as the Odyssey or Aeneid.  But there is probably someone somewhere who thinks that the Greek gods were ancient aliens ;-)  Because if we bring aliens into the story, then it seems modern.  Though I have seen a really good revamped Internet comic version of the Odyssey .. that basically has Odysseus telling the Greek gods that their day is done.

Odyssey of the Gods - The Alien History of Ancient Greece
http://www.legendarytimesbooks.com/odyssey-of-the-gods-the-alien-history-of-ancient-greece.html

Quote from: Baruch on August 13, 2015, 01:23:11 PM
If y'all want me to get judgmental on the actions of fictional characters well ... I think that Easter Bunny is a communist, giving away eggs to little children.

Termin is correct ... and the literary borrowing from the story of Lot to the story of the Benjaminite incident is obvious.  The question should be, what would stories like that mean, to the early people who listened to them.  They weren't read much before Roman Imperial times ... but were declaimed to an audience.

The problem nowadays, though, is that many Christians really believe Lot to have been a righteous man, simply because  he is so described in the story. When it is pointed out that he offered his own daughters to a raging mob of rapists, they make excuses, claim we can't know God's thoughts, and say that times were different then and we can't expect the same sort of moral behavior from them that we would expect now. Why not? God is supposed to be the same today as he has always been. If he approved, back then, of treating girls like possessions to be loaned out and abused, we can logically expect him to approve of the same behavior now. You and I know that it's just a fable, but a lot of Christians don't know it.

Quote from: ApostateLois on August 14, 2015, 12:36:34 PM
The problem nowadays, though, is that many Christians really believe Lot to have been a righteous man, simply because  he is so described in the story. When it is pointed out that he offered his own daughters to a raging mob of rapists, they make excuses, claim we can't know God's thoughts, and say that times were different then and we can't expect the same sort of moral behavior from them that we would expect now. Why not? God is supposed to be the same today as he has always been. If he approved, back then, of treating girls like possessions to be loaned out and abused, we can logically expect him to approve of the same behavior now. You and I know that it's just a fable, but a lot of Christians don't know it.

Thank you - this precisely why I found Baruch's reduction of this story to a "hospitality" tale to be so objectionable! I don't think it matters so much how this story is used in Sunday schools and before congregations, what does matter is that they leave in how Lot treated his own child, which is consistent with the prevailing attitude which fundamentalist Christians hold toward women in general. While I don't have to worry that my nieces, raised under a modern Catholic system will meet such a fate as Lot's daughter, I am concerned that their self-esteem may be damaged there.

Termin ... I didn't realize anyone had plugged for that angle, ancient aliens in Greece ;-)

Peacewithoutgod ... In my experience, there isn't a lot of the Bible that sermons are based on ... and I would hazard that very few are based on Lot or the Benjaminite woman.  This is why the Church didn't want anyone reading this stuff ... just listening to the priest give the local news after Mass.

Quote from: Baruch on August 14, 2015, 01:15:20 PM
Termin ... I didn't realize anyone had plugged for that angle, ancient aliens in Greece ;-)

Peacewithoutgod ... In my experience, there isn't a lot of the Bible that sermons are based on ... and I would hazard that very few are based on Lot or the Benjaminite woman.  This is why the Church didn't want anyone reading this stuff ... just listening to the priest give the local news after Mass.

Baruch - I would not have responded as I did if not for personal experience on this story. As a child I was repeatedly exposed to this one in churches and in Christian schools. That it's in the bible is grounds enough to take it seriously, and that it's endorsed by Christianity is no less cause that you should not downplay it.

Quote from: Baruch on August 14, 2015, 01:15:20 PM
Termin ... I didn't realize anyone had plugged for that angle, ancient aliens in Greece ;-)

  Ive seen enough Ancient Aliens Tv show late at night to figure it was worth a google search... didn't expect to find that much though :)

Peacewithoutgod ... that was a pretty nasty church you went to, if they bases sermons on that stuff ;-(  I also base on my own experience ... but I am more fortunate than you.

Quote from: Baruch on August 14, 2015, 08:15:25 PM
Peacewithoutgod ... that was a pretty nasty church you went to, if they bases sermons on that stuff ;-(  I also base on my own experience ... but I am more fortunate than you.

Baruch, you seem to know a lot about people, but you don't know much about the Christians if you've never heard this story trumpeted out by their preachers. It is the first part of that tale of Sodom and Gomorrah, both burned by Lot's god on account of the gays. The reason why the Christians went as crazy as they are when gays were allowed to get married in this country is that they take that specific story so seriously.

Really?  You think that people in the US are afraid of being turned into pillars of salt ... or forced to mistakenly mate with their fathers to repopulate the world?  Well maybe folks who watch a certain news program ;-(

The only time I have been in any church, where salt was talked about, was at the pot luck dinner, where you were politely asked to pass it.  Your church must have been one of those rattlesnake handling congregations ;-)  Not that I would mind, because I love (and respect) snakes.

Quote from: Baruch on August 14, 2015, 08:47:25 PM
Really?  You think that people in the US are afraid of being turned into pillars of salt ... or forced to mistakenly mate with their fathers to repopulate the world?  Well maybe folks who watch a certain news program ;-(

The only time I have been in any church, where salt was talked about, was at the pot luck dinner, where you were politely asked to pass it.  Your church must have been one of those rattlesnake handling congregations ;-)  Not that I would mind, because I love (and respect) snakes.

Baruch, when it's plain to see that you are out of your depth, the best thing to do isn't to keep on digging.

Reading the bible with such cynicism is disturbing enough in and of itself, but to use such language when discussing passages of the bible is sacrilege. You are taking these parables out of context. You have a right to your opinion, but be sure you've done the background before you make such claims.

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Quote from: soonerboomer001. on August 28, 2015, 03:33:56 PM
Reading the bible with such cynicism is disturbing enough in and of itself, but to use such language when discussing passages of the bible is sacrilege. You are taking these parables out of context. You have a right to your opinion, but be sure you've done the background before you make such claims.

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Oh this is going to be good.

Do you know half the people on this forum are ex-christians, and have spent years having read the bible, or force fed its stories, and that being the cause of them becoming either atheist or agnostic?

When telling the truth about the bibles stories of barbarity, tribal warfare, slavery, abuse, and ridiculous stories of make-believe, accusing people here of sacrilege is like a non drinker telling his friends they can't drink alcohol because its evil.

An no, there is nothing out of context in the bible verses, they teach some of the worst lessons mankind can learn from.

Quote from: Munch on August 28, 2015, 03:46:55 PM
Oh this is going to be good.

Do you know half the people on this forum are ex-christians, and have spent years having read the bible, or force fed its stories, and that being the cause of them becoming either atheist or agnostic?

When telling the truth about the bibles stories of barbarity, tribal warfare, slavery, abuse, and ridiculous stories of make-believe, accusing people here of sacrilege is like a non drinker telling his friends they can't drink alcohol because its evil.

An no, there is nothing out of context in the bible verses, they teach some of the worst lessons mankind can learn from.

You're right, nothing in the bible is taken out of context, people take the bible verses out of context to make it fit their agenda, such as yourself. You mentioned that most of the people on this forum read the bible, and you mentioned parts of the bible, but I didn't see one reference to the hope we have in God, to the joy we have in God, to the blessings from God, the mercies we have renewed every day from God,the promises we can claim every day, the majority I see with your interpretation of the bible is judgement. If that is what the bible stands for in your world, I am sorry for you, if that is how you were raised, you're not alone. I look forward to the day when you realize what is available to you.

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Let me ask you soonerboomer, what is your personal opinion of other religions, ones that do not adhere to your god, but their own god?

Quote from: soonerboomer001. on August 28, 2015, 03:56:40 PM
You're right, nothing in the bible is taken out of context, people take the bible verses out of context to make it fit their agenda, such as yourself. You mentioned that most of the people on this forum read the bible, and you mentioned parts of the bible, but I didn't see one reference to the hope we have in God, to the joy we have in God, to the blessings from God, the mercies we have renewed every day from God,the promises we can claim every day, the majority I see with your interpretation of the bible is judgement. If that is what the bible stands for in your world, I am sorry for you, if that is how you were raised, you're not alone. I look forward to the day when you realize what is available to you.

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I don't know how to pick the stupidest thing in the bible, but your response is right at the top of stupid Christian apologetics I have heard.

Oh no, don't get me wrong, I'm not apologizing to you, I've done nothing to apologize for, however you should really reconsider the way you speak to people, that could be why you're so bitter, with no one wanting to be in your company because of your attitude. There will come a day you can't bully your way out of the situation.

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I'm bitter because I think you say something ignorant to me, just shows how stupid you really are. Your ignorance doesn't offend me.  :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Quote from: soonerboomer001. on August 28, 2015, 03:56:40 PM
You're right, nothing in the bible is taken out of context, people take the bible verses out of context to make it fit their agenda, such as yourself. You mentioned that most of the people on this forum read the bible, and you mentioned parts of the bible, but I didn't see one reference to the hope we have in God, to the joy we have in God, to the blessings from God, the mercies we have renewed every day from God,the promises we can claim every day, the majority I see with your interpretation of the bible is judgement. If that is what the bible stands for in your world, I am sorry for you, if that is how you were raised, you're not alone. I look forward to the day when you realize what is available to you.

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  This thread is about what is in the bible, not what people believe is in the bible, or even what they believe or feel about god; they are quite often two different things. Which is normal as we are all human and we make our own judgements on things.

Quote from: soonerboomer001. on August 28, 2015, 03:33:56 PM
Reading the bible with such cynicism is disturbing enough in and of itself, but to use such language when discussing passages of the bible is sacrilege. You are taking these parables out of context. You have a right to your opinion, but be sure you've done the background before you make such claims.

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Sacrilege?????  Who cares?  Is the Tooth Fairy going to rain down death and destruction?????  Your god is man made.  Your bible is a collection of different authors (mostly unknown), written for a multitude of different reasons, and cobbled together into several different editions all for political reasons, and you worship a mythical person you call jesus.  Sacrilege?????  That is good for a laugh or two, and that is about it.

Quote from: soonerboomer001. on August 28, 2015, 04:30:09 PM
Oh no, don't get me wrong, I'm not apologizing to you, I've done nothing to apologize for, however you should really reconsider the way you speak to people, that could be why you're so bitter, with no one wanting to be in your company because of your attitude. There will come a day you can't bully your way out of the situation.

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The only bullies in this discussion are the Americans who believe as you. They are the one's who refuse to accept and live with the fact that it was the Freemasons, deists, and atheists who wrote their Constitution, and through that wrote the founding principles of their nation. They will not let this be in any American mind which they are capable of deceiving, despite the fact that their very own ancestors (if they were present here in this country at the time) accepted it, and overwhelmingly without contest because they knew all about the evil which religious zealots of one belief can visit upon those who they disagree with. The 1st Amendment was never intended to protect Xtians against other Xtians, but all of this nation's citizens against any group, even the Freemasons and atheists from imposing their will against them. You are free to subjugate your women for as long as they have your consent, but you have absolutely no right to impose restrictions on anybody's bodily autonomy. You may not promote your ideas in public, but you may not impose them on municipal, state, or federal property in the name of any such respective government. You don't have to buy alcohol or tobacco on Sundays, but your Blue Laws are illegal, whether or not they have been addressed for what they are. You may not proselytize in public schools unless groups which you may not like are also invited to do the same, and under no circumstances are you permitted to teach your ideas in government-funded classrooms! On most of the above, those who believe what you believe have been told politely by the court systems to fuck off, but still they persist, and the lies they spout only grow thicker with contempt for the very freedoms and sense of honest social discourse which once made this nation what it was intended to be. To ignoramuses and bullies like you, I say the same!

Quote from: Mike Cl on August 28, 2015, 06:06:55 PM
Sacrilege?????  Who cares?  Is the Tooth Fairy going to rain down death and destruction?????  Your god is man made.  Your bible is a collection of different authors (mostly unknown), written for a multitude of different reasons, and cobbled together into several different editions all for political reasons, and you worship a mythical person you call jesus.  Sacrilege?????  That is good for a laugh or two, and that is about it.

lets not forget, most of the bible stories are reworked fictions of past religions that christianity tried to steamroll over and make its own. Saturnalia became christmas, Eve coming from Adam's rib was stolen from the Epic of Enki. Samson was stolen from Hercules. The great flood was taken from the story of Utnapishtim. The ten commandments stolen from the Egyptian book of the dead. And the very concepts of heaven and hell come from stories of mount Olympus and Hades, Valhalla and Helheim.

The bible is a patchwork of stories writen by uncreative tribesmen in the middle east taken from other faiths of the past and then current times.

Soonerboomer ... most people here are atheists, and got there for a reason.  I am one of the few theists, I understand where you are coming from, but even I have a hard time with joy in the L-rd ... though it is possible at times.  Also I am a heretic ... my experience of G-d is not just from sacred writings, but from direct experience ... and even I see G-d as monstrous.  It is no wonder G-d has so few friends ;-(

Quote from: Baruch on August 28, 2015, 07:34:00 PM
It is no wonder G-d has so few friends ;-(

Only 46% of the US population, and that does not include those who believe in him, love him as the patriarch of all human families, but believe the 6-day Creation story was just a parable.

Parables are not to be sniffed at.  Today we call this "controlling the narrative".  And while humans do project a vast array of their self images onto G-d ... that is not G-d, just a reflection of their own image.  G-d's awesome indifference, is because G-d is open to all, for good or bad.

You appear to believe in the God od Spinoza and Einstein. At least your God is not created in our image, or us in his---or are we? Shudder!  :eek: :shifty: :borg:

If I am honest with myself, and can honestly evaluate others ... there is reason to shudder.  But not a reason to give up hope.

Well, why do you think I chose this avatar?  I have a small framed poster at work, which has Einstein saying, "This problem is really hard, I need to consult with Baruch".  I am not orthodox, and neither were they.  And I am sufficiently heretical to disagree with both of them as well ;-))

Quote from: Munch on August 28, 2015, 04:01:42 PM
Let me ask you soonerboomer, what is your personal opinion of other religions, ones that do not adhere to your god, but their own god?

I do not have a problem with those who desire to worship the God of their faith. However, keep in mind if you slander my God or my faith I will stand my ground and stand for my right to worship as well.

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Quote from: Solitary on August 28, 2015, 04:16:07 PM
I don't know how to pick the stupidest thing in the bible, but your response is right at the top of stupid Christian apologetics I have heard.

I'm not apologizing, I'm letting you know that your opinion isn't the only one that matters. I've done nothing to apologize for, I gave my heart to Jesus long, long ago. Why you think I would apologize for loving the Lord is beyond me.

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Quote from: Mike Cl on August 28, 2015, 06:06:55 PM
Sacrilege?????  Who cares?  Is the Tooth Fairy going to rain down death and destruction?????  Your god is man made.  Your bible is a collection of different authors (mostly unknown), written for a multitude of different reasons, and cobbled together into several different editions all for political reasons, and you worship a mythical person you call jesus.  Sacrilege?????  That is good for a laugh or two, and that is about it.

The bible is breathed into existence by God. There are different author's but they were all chosen by God. It's not what we choose to believe, it's the fact that Jesus said it, I believe it and it's so. No more, no less.

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Quote from: soonerboomer001. on August 29, 2015, 03:05:11 PM
. I'm simply wanting to make certain you realize that religion has nothing to do with being a Christian.

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wha..????    LOLOLOLOL 


jesus they get more whack-a-doodle by the minute.. religion has nothing to do with christianity…..LOLOLOL…..ow….I think I got a hernia…..damn….dat hurt..

Quote from: soonerboomer001. on August 29, 2015, 02:59:04 PM
The bible is breathed into existence by God. There are different author's but they were all chosen by God. It's not what we choose to believe, it's the fact that Jesus said it, I believe it and it's so. No more, no less.

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Really.  God breathed the bible into existence?  Which bible would that be? 

Quote from: Mike Cl on August 29, 2015, 04:44:28 PM
Really.  God breathed the bible into existence?  Which bible would that be?

Yes, which version, there are lots of versions of the bible, so god must have been shitting out a lot of them over time.
Can we witness him doing this? Is there a scheduled time we can meet to see when the next version of the bible will be shat out?

Quote from: soonerboomer001. on August 29, 2015, 03:05:11 PM
I'm not being a bully and I'm not being a victim either. Alot of what you wrote in your response has more to do with politics than Christianity. I'm simply wanting to make certain you realize that religion has nothing to do with being a Christian. I doubt if you want to take the time to realize the difference, but maybe someday we can have that discussion. Until then please be certain you make accusations as they are merited.

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You don't need to tell me anything about being a Christian - I've been there, done all that, and everything which I have aired here on my personal story is true.

Quiz time:
What does the title of this thread address?
a) The Bible, which you have frequently based your arguments on
or
b) The Christian Religion, which would not exist without your blessed book which you call "Teh Bible" anyway

You are a bully, and I think bullies just really suck! When you come around here spouting off your threats against those who are trying to recover from your head-fuck ways and sort out true, good sense from your cruel nonsense, I can be a bully too, in the name of the justice which non-twisted and logical minds are tuned into. You do have the right to speak your own mind, but aside from the fact that you haven't your own mind to speak from the hive mentality which you have allowed yourself to be assimilated into, we have no less the right to disagree with your holy book, and any assertions which your Xtian hive makes on it.

You are a bully because you cannot accept other people believing differently, much less living different from what you have deemed as the only way which is in any way good. Most of all, you really can't stand that other people have the same rights as you these days, whether they agree you with you and your bible or not - now doesn't that just burn your poor bully butt! You say otherwise, but if that were true then you would not be here spouting off your dire threats against us all who doubt your bible and doubt your lies, which you have been using as a ploy to bully other people into submission so that you can go on controlling other people's minds, and their wallets too. You suck, SoonerBoonerBully!

You are all correct!  :cool:

  In all fairness I have heard others identify themselves as christian , however, they do not identify with any denomination as such or feel they are religious, they just have a relationship with god, and have nothing to do with organized religion.

Quote from: Termin on August 29, 2015, 09:13:48 PM
  In all fairness I have heard others identify themselves as christian , however, they do not identify with any denomination as such or feel they are religious, they just have a relationship with god, and have nothing to do with organized religion.

In all fairness, the very worst Xtians who I've had the ...er, pleasure of dealing with fall into that category. I have personally seen more than one such person reject all denominational structures because they imposed too much constraint on their astronomical egos. I saw one such idiot (and former friend of my Dad) build a horribly cobbed together addition off the raised level of his raised ranch, very poorly supported (my Dad noted there was little or no concrete on the ground underneath to prevent if from moving and collapsing). I was into youth groups at the time, glad I moved on before I could find out what became of that. Another who I played guitar with in a folk group just couldn't keep his Xtian prejudices out of a group which the organizers had agreed should remain secular, and later he had to be threatened with police action when he bombarded us with constant and rambling email sermons. Going non-denomination may sometimes mean going a little more logical socio/philosophically pluralistic, but it can just as easily mean that somebody's got a screw or two loose. For this reason, I'm moving away from focus on the religious organizations, when I see more that it's the damned book of lies that people obsess on, over which they can build any number of constructs, none of them nice.

I've never understood the reasoning behind that. "Religion" and "Religious" are words and they mean something.

Gerard

Soonerboomer001, you don't need to mark posts as spam simply because they disagree with you.

Keep it up and a busy mod might decide you're keeping us too busy.

Quote from: Jason_Harvestdancer on August 30, 2015, 08:07:08 PM
Soonerboomer001, you don't need to mark posts as spam simply because they disagree with you.

Keep it up and a busy mod might decide you're keeping us too busy.

wait, so he comes on here preaching the usual gospel, on an atheist website, gets called out on it, reports people for spam, while telling someone here they are doing to hell?

With reference to the story of Onan, I have just found out- Dorothy Parker named her pet bird Onan, because he spilt his seed upon the ground.

Quote from: Mike Cl on August 29, 2015, 04:44:28 PM
Really.  God breathed the bible into existence?  Which bible would that be?

The Holy Bible and the reference to God breathing the bible is just a phrase hoping to exercise the imagination, God spoke the bible to chosen prophets.

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Quote from: soonerboomer001. on August 31, 2015, 05:40:37 PM
The Holy Bible and the reference to God breathing the bible is just a phrase hoping to exercise the imagination, God spoke the bible to chosen prophets.

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Yes, I'm aware of phrases and turns of words to exercise the imagination.  Christianity is rife with such stuff.  How do you know god spoke the bible to chose prophets???

Quote from: soonerboomer001. on August 31, 2015, 05:40:37 PM
The Holy Bible and the reference to God breathing the bible is just a phrase hoping to exercise the imagination, God spoke the bible to chosen prophets.

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Or is is just literary sleight of hand, a creative way of admitting man did write the bible.

Quote from: soonerboomer001. on August 31, 2015, 05:40:37 PM
The Holy Bible and the reference to God breathing the bible is just a phrase hoping to exercise the imagination, God spoke the bible to chosen prophets.

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Why didn't your god write the baaaaaeeeeeebull himself? He's the Almighty, the all-wise who knows everything, and yet he himself is illiterate? He is the creator of all things, the designer and builder of the human eye, able to create and move mountains, but he hasn't the corporeal presence to write accross pages or tablets?

Why did your god choose who he did for his prophets? Why not speak through wise people who did not happen to have the rare gift of literary training? You should know that only those born high up the socio-economic food chain were ever taught to read during the daze of baaaaaeeeeeebull stories, therefore your god really doesn't look like much of an equal opportunity employer.

The Bible isn't special and neither are prophets.  Anyone who speaks, speaks for G-d.  Anyone who writes, writes for G-d ... including all of us here.  Just because you are picky or don't like what is said or written ... doesn't mean it isn't divine.  You need to keep the divine in the gutter where it belongs ... it isn't some stuck up prude riding in the back of a Rolls Royce ;-)  Moses ... have you any Grey Poupon?

I do love some grey poupon on a pork pie.

Heretic!  Yellow Dijonnaise on a corn dog ;-)

Quote from: Baruch on August 31, 2015, 07:25:32 PM
Heretic!  Yellow Dijonnaise on a corn dog ;-)

I believe that Grey Poupon is a dijonaise - at least it has the white whine wine. Lack of the flourescent yellow paint for food coloring is nothing I miss, although I tend to favor horsradish mustard on any meat.

 Horseradish on a good prime rib is awesome . . Wasabi works quite well also :)

The story that wins it for me is the Tower of Babel.  It is my favorite for tripping up literalist creationists.

They were building a tower to reach Heaven!  Not just a tall tower, a tower that could reach up to YHVH's front door!

And this frightened YHVH so much that he confused their languages.

I use this to tie back the Genesis 1 where YHVH makes the "firmament" - a solid shell of a sky.  The Hebrew word is "to spread out, like a blacksmith pounding a lump of brass into a plate".  Not just "to spread out."  It's a solid shell, and Babel confirms it.  And that shell is close enough to the earth that these bronze age goat herders could build a tower high enough to reach it.

I remember the Tower of Babel, all 37 feet of it, which I suppose was impressive at the time. And when it fell, they howled divine wrath. But come on, dried dung can only be stacked so high.

It is called a Ziggurat ... and a god's home is at the top of it ... Bel-Marduk in Babylon aka Babel.  The story is about the eventual destruction of Uruk, and early city.  In the earliest story, getting to Heaven involved riding a great eagle, like in LOTR.

And yes, firmament is an interesting concept.  People imagined rain came from holes in the metallic sky, like from the garden tool used to water plants.  They believed that pools of fresh water underlay the firmament of the Earth, and overlay the firmament of the Sky ... but that the sea was the water of death (see Gilgamesh).  The original Eden was after the flood, where Noah and his wife retired too ... known today as Bahrain.  Dick Cheney is following on their heals, I hear he has property nearly in Abu Dhabi.

Not one piece of history in the bible can be disproven, that is the only fact here hahaha.

Quote from: Babytooth on September 10, 2015, 06:20:59 PM
Not one piece of history in the bible can be disproven, that is the only fact here hahaha.

Quote"And he [Hiram] made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one rim to the other it was round all about, and...a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about....And it was an hand breadth thick...." â€" First Kings, chapter 7, verses 23 and 26

That would mean that the proportion of the circumference to the perimeter would give a value of PI = 3
PI does not equal 3 so the information is wrong.

Apple Pi hadn't been invented yet ... so any value assigned to it at that point would be speculative ;-)

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one thing you can always bet on jonb is that it will always be modern man making the mistake not the holy word if anything you have misunderstood and/or miscalculated.

My dream in retirement is to set up a Raspberry Pi robot vs an Arduino robot ... and have them battle to their mutual disassembly.  Well that is what the students at MIT do.  I am not an MIT student, but I did know someone who graduated from the EE department there ... smart bastard that!

What men of todays time claim to be smart brauch is simply the lack of a learning disability. hahahaha..

Quote from: Babytooth on September 10, 2015, 09:00:22 PM
What men of todays time claim to be smart brauch is simply the lack of a learning disability. hahahaha..

  So by learning disability you mean religion ?

no bc through religion you learn things unlearned and unknown to man and un teachable to man until it is taught by the true source.
by people thinking their smart through learning of schools is foolish it just shows you have the ability to learn.

Quote from: Babytooth on September 10, 2015, 09:00:22 PM
What men of todays time claim to be smart brauch is simply the lack of a learning disability. hahahaha..

I can see you don't lack that 'learning disability'!  You and your sick religion, are poster children for the learning disabled. 

Quote from: Babytooth on September 10, 2015, 09:29:53 PM
no bc through religion you learn things unlearned and unknown to man and un teachable to man until it is taught by the true source.
by people thinking their smart through learning of schools is foolish it just shows you have the ability to learn.

  So important things like sprinkling people with freshly killed blood from a bird to cure leprosy ?

we as peasants will never know how god came about, even after death I believe, so get used to that idea because we all have eternity ahead of us. will yours be bliss or torment?   
but I ask of everyone to open up their eyes and understand that when we look up to the heavens  we are looking trillions of miles away and beyond, for you can never look farther away than looking up! and open your eyes to relies that if our bodies didn't contain a soul than any man could be revived after death with new parts just like we can do any vehicle, that it is our everlasting soul that ignites are engine and makes us "Alive". realize That many humans out here have been blessed with actually seeing evil and good at work. Anton levy even admits that all other religions besides Christianity,  are just a branch of Satanism , realize that all the things you see are less real than the current unseen to us. A matter a fact to quote Neils Bohr a highly regarded scientist " everything we call real is made up of things that cant be regarded as real" that's a fact. Realize over 2500 bible prophecies have been fulfilled and counting everyday! Understand that even Wisdom, Knowledge, and Understanding were created! and  the spirit wisdom was created even before the depths! understand that Lucifer even deceived 1/3 of the angels of heaven during he's fall Angels that were in heaven! and how do you think so highly of your self to think you haven't been deceived. the bible says the people of the end times will be lovers of self. that they also will call good evil and evil good. no we see the gay marriage coming into affect, which I believe could be the abomination OF DESOULATION THAT WILL BE SET UP IN THE END TIMES.  that will mark the start of the end. Blessed is he who believes without seeing.
Mark my Words Obama will be the last president of the united states, and you WILL SEE JESUS RETURN, and you will see the anti Christ rule unless your are going to be one of the very very many that are going to die in the very very near future. worldwide a" ELE" as the call it. this is my last message of tonight get right and EITHER WAY YOU CHOOSE,CHOOSE YE THESE DAY WHO YE WILL SERVE! Jesus is the savior of mankind period! do all the research you want, pray tonight and see! Now: God my Holy Father I Jesse ask that you please forgive me of all my awful sins that only you god know that I have committed, and I ask you lord that you have mercy on my soul father and lord god I ask you give all the men off this webpage a second chance father to except you and understand today they have heard the truth. I ask father that you bless these men that are not too far gone with a sign that your are willing to love them as you always have, and to open there shallow minds father to see farther than their senses tells them. I thank you Lord God in the name of Jesus Amen. I Love you Father Amen

Quote from: Babytooth on September 10, 2015, 10:57:35 PM
we as peasants will never know how god came about, even after death I believe, so get used to that idea because we all have eternity ahead of us. will yours be bliss or torment?   
but I ask of everyone to open up their eyes and understand that when we look up to the heavens  we are looking trillions of miles away and beyond, for you can never look farther away than looking up! and open your eyes to relies that if our bodies didn't contain a soul than any man could be revived after death with new parts just like we can do any vehicle, that it is our everlasting soul that ignites are engine and makes us "Alive". realize That many humans out here have been blessed with actually seeing evil and good at work. Anton levy even admits that all other religions besides Christianity,  are just a branch of Satanism , realize that all the things you see are less real than the current unseen to us. A matter a fact to quote Neils Bohr a highly regarded scientist " everything we call real is made up of things that cant be regarded as real" that's a fact. Realize over 2500 bible prophecies have been fulfilled and counting everyday! Understand that even Wisdom, Knowledge, and Understanding were created! and  the spirit wisdom was created even before the depths! understand that Lucifer even deceived 1/3 of the angels of heaven during he's fall Angels that were in heaven! and how do you think so highly of your self to think you haven't been deceived. the bible says the people of the end times will be lovers of self. that they also will call good evil and evil good. no we see the gay marriage coming into affect, which I believe could be the abomination OF DESOULATION THAT WILL BE SET UP IN THE END TIMES.  that will mark the start of the end. Blessed is he who believes without seeing.
Mark my Words Obama will be the last president of the united states, and you WILL SEE JESUS RETURN, and you will see the anti Christ rule unless your are going to be one of the very very many that are going to die in the very very near future. worldwide a" ELE" as the call it. this is my last message of tonight get right and EITHER WAY YOU CHOOSE,CHOOSE YE THESE DAY WHO YE WILL SERVE! Jesus is the savior of mankind period! do all the research you want, pray tonight and see! Now: God my Holy Father I Jesse ask that you please forgive me of all my awful sins that only you god know that I have committed, and I ask you lord that you have mercy on my soul father and lord god I ask you give all the men off this webpage a second chance father to except you and understand today they have heard the truth. I ask father that you bless these men that are not too far gone with a sign that your are willing to love them as you always have, and to open there shallow minds father to see farther than their senses tells them. I thank you Lord God in the name of Jesus Amen. I Love you Father Amen

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Quote from: Babytooth on September 10, 2015, 10:57:35 PM
Mark my Words Obama will be the last president of the united states, and you WILL SEE JESUS RETURN, and you will see the anti Christ rule unless your are going to be one of the very very many that are going to die in the very very near future. worldwide a" ELE" as the call it. this is my last message of tonight get right and EITHER WAY YOU CHOOSE,CHOOSE YE THESE DAY WHO YE WILL SERVE! Jesus is the savior of mankind period! do all the research you want, pray tonight and see! Now: God my Holy Father I Jesse ask that you please forgive me of all my awful sins that only you god know that I have committed, and I ask you lord that you have mercy on my soul father and lord god I ask you give all the men off this webpage a second chance father to except you and understand today they have heard the truth. I ask father that you bless these men that are not too far gone with a sign that your are willing to love them as you always have, and to open there shallow minds father to see farther than their senses tells them. I thank you Lord God in the name of Jesus Amen. I Love you Father Amen

If you are wrong, you promise to bake a batch of cookies for us in apology?

QuoteI Jesse ask that you please forgive me of all my awful sins

ahh…another priest.

Quote from: Babytooth on September 10, 2015, 06:20:59 PM
Not one piece of history in the bible can be disproven, that is the only fact here hahaha.

Spoken by someone who clearly hasn't read it.

Does anyone know what the fuck "They are like dogs returning to their vomit" is supposed to fucking mean? It is the bible's take on "scoffers" apparently but I don't know what it means.

Quote from: soonerboomer001. on August 31, 2015, 05:40:37 PM
The Holy Bible and the reference to God breathing the bible is just a phrase hoping to exercise the imagination, God spoke the bible to chosen prophets.

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You have a right to your religious beliefs, and I have the right to call your religious beliefs a pile of bullshit.

Have a nice day.

Quote from: 1liesalot on September 25, 2015, 08:09:21 AM
Does anyone know what the fuck "They are like dogs returning to their vomit" is supposed to fucking mean? It is the bible's take on "scoffers" apparently but I don't know what it means.

I have seen dogs throw up and then re-eat what they just threw up.  Humans usually throw up and then clean it up or bury it.  So, it would seem to mean that these people are so sick that they throw up their own sick ideas, look at those ideas and then eat them (continue to believe those obviously sick ideas) again.  They don't see what is good and wholesome; they don't embrace what is good for them, but continue to believe what makes them sick.

Which is ironic, for that is how I view the fundamental of every religion.

Noah's Ark is so ridiculous you should get institutionalized for saying you believe it happened. I'm not disrespecting people with mental health disorders. I'm grouping them together. lol

Great Flood myths are common to every culture ... even if the actual inspirations were less than global in scope.  The explosion of Santorini for example circa 1600 BCE, caused quite a tsunami.  The probable inspiration for the Biblical version, has to be run past the fact that Mt Ararat has been several mountains in history.  Originally it was a smallish mountain in SE Turkey near to the Tigris river source.  The much higher mountain, in the Caucasus, got that borrowed name once geography progressed, and it was necessary to re-consider shrines or pilgrimages to a much lower mountain vs a more plausible one ;-)

On the other hand, the Ark is a metaphor, also reused in Revelations ... where it takes the form of a gold encrusted giant cube, like a luxury Borg ship ;-))

Read the following and tell me it does not freak you the fuck out. What does it even mean?

Revelation 4:8

Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying: "'Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty,' who was, and is, and is to come.

Quote from: Mike Cl on September 25, 2015, 08:50:20 AM
I have seen dogs throw up and then re-eat what they just threw up.  Humans usually throw up and then clean it up or bury it.  So, it would seem to mean that these people are so sick that they throw up their own sick ideas, look at those ideas and then eat them (continue to believe those obviously sick ideas) again.  They don't see what is good and wholesome; they don't embrace what is good for them, but continue to believe what makes them sick.

Which is ironic, for that is how I view the fundamental of every religion.

Very disturbing.

Quote from: 1liesalot on September 29, 2015, 08:04:22 PM
Read the following and tell me it does not freak you the fuck out. What does it even mean?

Revelation 4:8

Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying: "'Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty,' who was, and is, and is to come.

It means the author borrowed from the vision in Ezekiel.  Which is to say, even without other evidence, that this work, the original Jewish version ... is a work of the Maaseh Merkavah (Work of the Chariot) school of Kabbalah.  The Gospels are taken from the other school of Kabbalah, Maaseh Bereshit (Work of Beginning), which is based on Genesis.

The angels that the Christians portray, are pagan Greco-Roman deities, not Jewish divine messengers (Malakim, not Angeloi).

It's OK to own and beat slaves as long as they don't die
Should a slave owner strikes a male or female slave with a rod, and the slave dies immediately, the owner shall surely be punished. But if the slave survives a day or two, there shall be no punishment; for the slave is the owner’s property. Exodus 20:20-21.

A rapist marrying his victim.
If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl’s father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.Deuteronomy 22:28-29

Good news: Society used to be brutal and primitive
Bad news: Society is still brutal and primitive

Warning: If the G-d you claim to worship, is a G-d you like, you are probably worshipping yourself.

Quote from: Baruch on October 01, 2015, 07:13:55 AM
Good news: Society used to be brutal and primitive
Bad news: Society is still brutal and primitive, and with technology, more efficient.

Warning: If the G-d you claim to worship, is a G-d you like, you are probably worshipping yourself.

FIFY

Lot. Of Sodom & Gomorrah. Such a "godly" man, that in order to avoid having "obviously" angels raped by townsfolk, he offered up his OWN DAUGHTERS.

His. Own. Kids.

Who later, got him drunk (!! really?), and got pregnant themselves. Bitches be ho's, even in the old testament. They should never have exposed their ankles to such a man of god.....consequences, people!

Daughters of Lot ... they thought the world had been destroyed, and that they had to make a taboo sacrifice (incest) to repopulate the world.  Mistaken heroines really.

Quote from: Baruch on October 01, 2015, 07:57:26 PM
Daughters of Lot ... they thought the world had been destroyed, and that they had to make a taboo sacrifice (incest) to repopulate the world.  Mistaken heroines really.

Except that no biblically retold story was about the daughters. At all. The bible retells only Lot, and his salty wife. THAT, in and of itself, is all sorts of batshit.

The offspring were the ancestors of the Moabites and Ammonites.  Their stories died with them, when the Israelites/Judahites destroyed them.

Quote from: Baruch on October 01, 2015, 08:06:59 PM
The offspring were the ancestors of the Moabites and Ammonites.  Their stories died with them, when the Israelites/Judahites destroyed them.

So....Lot's daughters, that stepped up to the plate after Mom died in Soddom, like good little biblical females, had enough sex with their father to spawn off an entire people in the Moabites and the Ammonites.

Bat. Shit.

We all know how primer pedophiles work these days, and you have to be curious about such a god awful story (pardon the pun) that results in enough offspring to name an entire people, as included in the story of what the bible itself calls a GODLY man. Told from Lot's side, naturally.

(sarcasm) Was Lot a Duggar?

Quote from: Baruch on October 01, 2015, 07:57:26 PM
Daughters of Lot ... they thought the world had been destroyed, and that they had to make a taboo sacrifice (incest) to repopulate the world.  Mistaken heroines really.

Didn't the offspring of Adam and Eve had to have incestuous relationships in order to propagate the species?

Biblically yes, Extrabiblically it was mating with the Nephelim.  Even the analysis of an Iron Age Bedouin, would have told him that the majority of humanity, before and after the Flood ... were more Nephelim than Adamic ... even Abraham.

So one problem one has as a student of history of culture, is that the record is spotty.  Another problem is that what is still available for study is is often partisan ... the mean survival is biased.  The evidence is that the Israelites and Judahites prior to the Babylonian Exile were polytheists, and that forms of polytheism must have survived underground after the imposition of the first Zionism by Ezra.  The sources used to create a monotheism by Ezra, were largely royal and sacerdotal (priestly) ... and atypical (the messianism of King Josiah happened just before the Exile, and was atypical).  Another problem is that most people interested in the Bible, will ignore the first two problems, will ignore the actual archeological record (support for the Bible narrative is minimal) and bring their own agenda to their analysis (apologetic or polemic).  Our recent Catholic poster is an example of that conventional abuse of sources.  What is persistent, is that these writings, are the products of human psychology, a psychology that persists to this day ... hence the continued valuation of these fictional narratives over say Greek mythology (which is a fine thing too).  Naturally, given the variation in humans ... not everyone is intrigued by this stuff.  My own interest is modest.

Well, that doesn't answer my question.

In the mating ritual, the majority of partners were Nephelim aka fallen angels aka demons.  So yes, I did indirectly answer your question.  The hearts of humans have always turned toward evil at every opportunity, so says Genesis anyway.  That is the influence of the Nephelim.

Quote from: Baruch on October 02, 2015, 01:16:06 PM
In the mating ritual, the majority of partners were Nephelim aka fallen angels aka demons.  So yes, I did indirectly answer your question.  The hearts of humans have always turned toward evil at every opportunity, so says Genesis anyway.  That is the influence of the Nephelim.

Genesis 6 says otherwise: man first multiply...

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6 When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not abide in[a] man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.” 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.

And then the Nephilim came after when they saw the daughters were attractive.

Yes, if you neglect the extra-Biblical material, like Lilith being Adam's first wife.

Quote from: Baruch on October 02, 2015, 07:35:50 PM
Yes, if you neglect the extra-Biblical material, like Lilith being Adam's first wife.

Is  the extra-Biblical material God's words? If not, it doesn't count. :lol:

All words are G-d's words including yours ;-)  That is what Logos means.

Quote from: Baruch on October 03, 2015, 06:17:45 AM
All words are G-d's words including yours ;-)  That is what Logos means.

Since my words are god's words then if I say there is no god then everyone should listen to me. :c017:

Yes ... we should ... I mean that literally.  But we are humanoid realistic gods, like Greek mythology i.e. Heracles, not G-d like in Abrahamic religion.  So which of your "labors" are you on?  The Greco-Romans are the basic element of our Western civilization, the Judeo-Christian is just icing on the Pagan cake.

Quote from: Baruch on October 03, 2015, 10:58:26 AM
So which of your "labors" are you on? 

Studying representation theory in the context of QFT. Here's a sample: http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/QM/qmbook.pdf

Well ... how many angels can dance ... on the head of a pin?

I am a long term fan of Prof. Woit.  Like Socrates, I prefer thinkers who are able to be self-critical.  I read is "Not Even Wrong" regularly.

In some ways similar to you, I prefer the more difficult challenges.  That is a serious one!

My current labor of the past 6 months involves trying to find a tie-in between QM and Number Theory.  But mostly I have been studying QM (including QFT).  And it involves a kind of representation too ... a given integer string can be interpreted many ways.  An infinite string is always explicitly incomplete, but some infinite strings (such as Pi) are implicitly complete.  Is each interpretation a representation, or is each integer string that can be generated in a given family of algorithms, a representation of the algorithm?  There can be more than one generating function that produces an integer string.  What is the effect of approximating an infinite string with a finite one?  If one can find an alternative generating function, one that is reversible ... then this can be used for decrypting a crypt text, without having the original algorithm/key.  I don't think I will have much luck with it, but it is like a hone that sharpens my mental knife ;-)

Quote from: Baruch on October 03, 2015, 12:25:09 PM


My current labor of the past 6 months involves trying to find a tie-in between QM and Number Theory.  But mostly I have been studying QM (including QFT).  And it involves a kind of representation too ... a given integer string can be interpreted many ways.  An infinite string is always explicitly incomplete, but some infinite strings (such as Pi) are implicitly complete.  Is each interpretation a representation, or is each integer string that can be generated in a given family of algorithms, a representation of the algorithm?  There can be more than one generating function that produces an integer string.  What is the effect of approximating an infinite string with a finite one?  If one can find an alternative generating function, one that is reversible ... then this can be used for decrypting a crypt text, without having the original algorithm/key.  I don't think I will have much luck with it, but it is like a hone that sharpens my mental knife ;-)

You realize that π is just the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its radius, and in the real world there is no such thing as a perfect circle, and consequently π is just another mental construct, right?!?! Ok, just kidding...

Mathematicians are fixated in turning everything into an algorithm. Some of them... oh wait, many of them haven't realized that math is just like language, a human invention. On the chance that it is used to describe reality that's when you know a physicist is behind the mathematical gymnastics.

BTW, String Theory is over-rated.

"integer string"... and I thought it was always a "string integer", oh well, to each his own...

"string" not as in quantum string theory, but as in a data type in computer science ... an ordered set of elements drawn from a common set, in this case the positive integers, with duplication allowed (which in a set ... you don't have).  Like your phone number.

Read the first chapter of Woit's book, just because you mentioned it.  Trouble is, every lecture you get on subject X ... the presenter says ... don't listen to that other guy, here is a better way to approach the subject (see Woit's preface) and BTW ... here are some crucial facts that the other guys are not mentioning ... like the ambiguities of using the Poisson bracket to quantize a classical system (in the toy cases covered in the usual lecture, it works of course ... but not in more complicated problems ... leaving you with a false sense of principle).  That is the difference between knowledge and understanding.  With knowledge, it becomes a calculus (like decimal arithmetic) which works most times, but that isn't the same as understanding what an irrational number is (non-repeating infinite mantissa).  With the advent of the calculator, young people don't even know the algorithm for long division.  The world ends, when the Ever Ready bunny runs out of juice ;-(

Quote from: Baruch on October 03, 2015, 07:13:08 PM
like the ambiguities of using the Poisson bracket to quantize a classical system

Hmmm, no. There's no ambiguities. It is the basic way to go from a classical system to a quantum system. The Poisson bracket of the classical system is replaced the commutation relationship:

{x,p} = 1 â†' [x,p] = iâ,, . See equation (6) in The Essential Quantum Field Theory  (http://soi.blogspot.ca/2014/04/the-essential-quantum-field-theory.html)

Quote from: josephpalazzo on October 03, 2015, 07:31:57 PM
Hmmm, no. There's no ambiguities. It is the basic way to go from a classical system to a quantum system. The Poisson bracket of the classical system is replaced the commutation relationship:

{x,p} = 1 â†' [x,p] = iâ,, . See equation (6) in The Essential Quantum Field Theory  (http://soi.blogspot.ca/2014/04/the-essential-quantum-field-theory.html)

Got a jello wrestling pit?  Time for the professors to ... get down!  I got a QM professor in Canada that says ... "yo mamma ...".  Has to do with Weyl Symmetrization Rule and residual higher order terms of h-bar when you do more complicated commutations.  Basically in some cases, the canonical quantization isn't enough, and the quantum mechanic has to add "secret sauce" to complete the formula.

Quote from: Baruch on October 03, 2015, 07:47:23 PM
Got a jello wrestling pit?  Time for the professors to ... get down!  I got a QM professor in Canada that says ... "yo mamma ...".  Has to do with Weyl Symmetrization Rule and residual higher order terms of h-bar when you do more complicated commutations.  Basically in some cases, the canonical quantization isn't enough, and the quantum mechanic has to add "secret sauce" to complete the formula.

There's no secret sauce. After 90+ years, QM has come out of the closet a long time ago. Extending QFT beyond the Standard Model is another matter.

Another bullshit story I'm realizing is bullshit Noahs ark.

Quote from: TopCat on October 25, 2015, 09:01:57 AM
Another bullshit story I'm realizing is bullshit Noahs ark.

That is a good realization to come to.  I will challenge you to find a single story in the bible that is not bullshit--just one.

You're right. Currently I'm researching Noahs ark because I learned that story in Sunday school. Now I'm noticing the lies. Of course there's more bullshit stories. The whole bible is bullshit.

Quote from: TopCat on October 25, 2015, 09:31:54 AM
You're right. Currently I'm researching Noahs ark because I learned that story in Sunday school. Now I'm noticing the lies. Of course there's more bullshit stories. The whole bible is bullshit.

Good for you--keep on researching.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ETuMGrq9yCo

Not really a fan of onision, but still, lol.

When Marry got pregnant with out sex. How is that possible!!!!? How!!!? It's just... not possible! You need a man to have a baby.... It's just... ***mind blown*** To make it more logical the writers could have just had someone donate sperm to Marry to create Christ. That would make more sense. But nooo... they had to have an angel come down to do the dirty work. :/ :/ :/

Quote from: musicharmony87 on November 04, 2015, 08:50:12 PM
When Marry got pregnant with out sex. How is that possible!!!!? How!!!? It's just... not possible! You need a man to have a baby.... It's just... ***mind blown*** To make it more logical the writers could have just had someone donate sperm to Marry to create Christ. That would make more sense. But nooo... they had to have an angel come down to do the dirty work. :/ :/ :/

Umm... Well, this is supposed to be the same God who created the entire universe to begin with. I'd think putting one baby in a virgin woman would be child's play for him. No pun intended.

I still find it so laughable how the bible has so many passages about adultery or having an affair as punishable, usually against the woman, but still has them in place, and yet their own deity had sex using his god powers with a woman who was already married. 

I think the Bible is a beautiful book. As long as you don't take it as seriously as the believers do. And it wasn't written today for us to understand it as we think about stuff now. It's old and it has (as far as the new Testament is concerned) been adapted to the Roman world. As the NT is interesting in itself, I like the OT with it's vindictive God but also it's history (Kings and Chronicles, Judges even) better. But that's just me....

Gerard