In a 5-4 decision, same-sex marriage has been legalized throughout the United States!!
WOOOOOHOOOOOO!
The long battle is won! And Republican heads will explode!!!
VICTORY!!!!!
Now let's see if Glenn Beck's 40,000 pastors will boldly resist by not getting gay married!
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/same-sex-marraige-legal-nationwide-supreme-court-rules-n375551?cid=sm_fb
I feel like I've been waiting forever for this decision. I guess there wasn't a whole lot of doubt it was coming, but it feels good now that it's here.
I think it's amazing how in just my lifetime gay marriage went from not valid anywhere in the states to legal everywhere. Went from being punishable under UCMJ in the Armed Forces to legal and protected under equal opportunity.
It really does give me hope for the future.
I couldn't be happier for people that love each other and show what religion should teach people, instead of hatred, bigotry, and prejudice from the so-called Holy Book, even the New Testament :syda: Love is the most beautiful of all human emotions, and jealously is ugly, that is really hatred, not love. I learned this from a beautiful bi-sexual girl friend 30 years ago. I had my best friend and his wife say that jealousy proves you love someone, I disagreed, and he proved I was correct when he shot and killed her because her boss had his arm around her coming out of work. :sad:
Still, almost half the judges opposed it. There's still something gravely wrong with America. None-the-less, today is a very good day.
This is a truly historic day. An absolutely amazing victory.
Now I'm looking forward to the Republican/Fox schadenfreude. O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Glenn Beck... their heads are surely exploding right now!!
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/supreme-court-affirms-right-to-gay-marriage-122495807066.html
From the decision statement:
Quotepreventing same-sex people from marrying violated their constitutional right to equal protection under the law and that the states were unable to put forth a compelling reason to withhold that right from people.
What?? You mean the state claiming that marriage of gay couples gets some people all blustery and upset isn't a compelling reason? "It aint right. It just aint right!" isn't compelling enough? Well, I never!
I'm enjoying the comments pouring in on Fix News:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/06/26/supreme-court-same-sex-couples-can-marry-in-all-50-states/#
O'Really! :biggrin2:
Good job! :super:
Good job congress. Congratz you guys over there. <3
NPR disclosed some interesting information, yesterday: Way back before Justice Kennedy was appointed to the Supreme Court, he nixed the right of gay marriage in a landmark decision that set the movement back considerably. Today, he joined with the more liberal elements of the court and reversed himself. This thing was really close.
:super: :syda: :flowers: LOVE DEFEATS ALL!
Quote from: Atheon on June 26, 2015, 10:51:41 AM
I'm enjoying the comments pouring in on Fix News:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/06/26/supreme-court-same-sex-couples-can-marry-in-all-50-states/#
Offf. :lol:
I like to think of all the Christians and republicans going to bed tonight in a cold sweat imagining Elton John at there window tapping.
Quote from: Atheon on June 26, 2015, 10:51:41 AM
I'm enjoying the comments pouring in on Fix News:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/06/26/supreme-court-same-sex-couples-can-marry-in-all-50-states/#
Wow. The reader comments are pouring in at the rate of 3 or 4 every second! I can't read that fast.
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Quote from: Atheon on June 26, 2015, 10:51:41 AM
I'm enjoying the comments pouring in on Fix News:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/06/26/supreme-court-same-sex-couples-can-marry-in-all-50-states/#
I tried to read the comments , but I just can't read that much stupid that quickly.
Congrats America :)
Gotta love it!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'd like to offer that christian minister who threatened to burn himself to death my book of matches. And I'll bring the hot dogs and marshmallows! Conservative heads will explode! Maybe Pat Robertson will turn red and die of a heart attack--oh, wait, he doesn't have a heart. Love it, love it, love it!
Clarence Thomas' dissent makes me want to vomit:
Quote
“The corollary of that principle is that human dignity cannot be taken away by the government,†Thomas wrote in his dissent. “Slaves did not lose their dignity (any more than they lost their humanity) because the government allowed them to be enslaved.â€
When I picture him conjuring this up, I don't imagine him as a judge in stately robes, but rather, I imagine him as some pervert in a seedy strip joint, licking a the ear of a sobbing single mother wearing 6 inch clear shoes who is just trying to put food on the table and whispering "No one can take away your dignity... Now, here's $20, and I want the extra good lap dance now."
Well done the US, about time.
Quote from: Green Bottle on June 26, 2015, 11:42:40 AM
Well done the US, about time.
the irony being some people on other threads think america is now more progressive then europe. Considering how american law works compared to european countries, uk, scotland and ireland (not northern island) got there first.
Quote from: Munch on June 26, 2015, 11:44:40 AM
the irony being some people on other threads think america is now more progressive then europe. Considering how american law works compared to european countries, uk, scotland and ireland (not northern island) got there first.
I know. Americans have very high opinions of themselves as being the last bastion of freedom in all the world.
I once had a boss argue with me over quality of life in other countries. I had made some remark about a news story saying Finland had the most liberal rights for women in the world, followed by all of the other Scandinavian countries and pretty much all of Europe. The U.S. was pretty far down on the list and he refused to believe it. He kept saying "But women in America can
vote. They can go to
college. They can hold public office." He had a hard time believing that women in Finland (and almost all other countries in the world) could do those things also.
Of course America is doing better on gay rights issues than
some other countries, but it's definitely a mistake to consider that we're progressive simply because we don't allow homosexuals to be stoned to death, or that we're ahead of anyone on allowing them to get married.
Quote from: TomFoolery on June 26, 2015, 11:58:39 AM
I know. Americans have very high opinions of themselves as being the last bastion of freedom in all the world.
I once had a boss argue with me over quality of life in other countries. I had made some remark about a news story saying Finland had the most liberal rights for women in the world, followed by all of the other Scandinavian countries and pretty much all of Europe. The U.S. was pretty far down on the list and he refused to believe it.
My conservative cousin has the same self centered belief about US healthcare being vastly superior to Canada and Europe.
Quote from: Munch on June 26, 2015, 11:44:40 AM
the irony being some people on other threads think america is now more progressive then europe. Considering how american law works compared to european countries, uk, scotland and ireland (not northern island) got there first.
Most people from UK think the same about their own country. Scandinavian countries are more progressive than European countries or the UK.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on June 26, 2015, 12:28:55 PM
Most people from UK think the same about their own country. Scandinavian countries are more progressive than European countries or the UK.
oh I agree fully, denmark being one of the most ahead of all others.
Quote from: Green Bottle on June 26, 2015, 11:42:40 AM
Well done the US, about time.
It's nice to know that I live in a more civilized country than I thought. I blogged this morning before turning in that I hoped when I woke up, it would be in a better country.
I did.
Quote from: TomFoolery on June 26, 2015, 11:36:44 AM
Clarence Thomas' dissent makes me want to vomit:
When I picture him conjuring this up, I don't imagine him as a judge in stately robes, but rather, I imagine him as some pervert in a seedy strip joint, licking a the ear of a sobbing single mother wearing 6 inch clear shoes who is just trying to put food on the table and whispering "No one can take away your dignity... Now, here's $20, and I want the extra good lap dance now."
In a sense he is correct..
Oxford dictionary - "A sense of pride in oneself; self-respect"
But he completely misses the point , anyone , in any situation can have self respect for themselves,however that's not what this was about, it was never about Gays having dignity, it was about them being treated with dignity.
First the confederate flag, then gay marriage. This has been a rough month for conservatives.
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 26, 2015, 01:57:14 PM
First the confederate flag, then gay marriage. This has been a rough month for conservatives.
Yeah, it has. Who's up for piling on??!!
Quote from: TomFoolery on June 26, 2015, 11:36:44 AM
Clarence Thomas' dissent makes me want to vomit:
When I picture him conjuring this up, I don't imagine him as a judge in stately robes, but rather, I imagine him as some pervert in a seedy strip joint, licking a the ear of a sobbing single mother wearing 6 inch clear shoes who is just trying to put food on the table and whispering "No one can take away your dignity... Now, here's $20, and I want the extra good lap dance now."
He barely qualifies as a human. What a waste he is.
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 26, 2015, 01:57:14 PM
First the confederate flag, then gay marriage. This has been a rough month for conservatives.
And Obamacare being upheld.
Maybe some virulent far-right nutcases will suffer brain embolisms. I won't shed any tears.
Quote from: Atheon on June 26, 2015, 02:03:38 PM
And Obamacare being upheld.
Maybe some virulent far-right nutcases will suffer brain embolisms. I won't shed any tears.
Their going to get so many brain tumours their end up looking like the sloth from the goonies.
Quote from: Atheon on June 26, 2015, 02:03:38 PM
And Obamacare being upheld.
Maybe some virulent far-right nutcases will suffer brain embolisms. I won't shed any tears.
http://www.mercurynews.com/health/ci_28380608/californias-vaccine-bill-state-assembly-passes-legislation-outlawing
This happened too. No more religious exemptions for vaccines in California.
June 2015 has given me some hope for this country. Before I get all pessimistic wondering how whether my hope will be squandered quickly or slowly, I'll just enjoy it and be chill.
I could be very well wrong on this, but Obama-care being legal as per SCOTUS decision does not make it a right, therefore if the republicans get into power, they could repeal it. So it may not be over just yet.
Quote from: TomFoolery on June 26, 2015, 11:36:44 AM
Clarence Thomas' dissent makes me want to vomit:
When I picture him conjuring this up, I don't imagine him as a judge in stately robes, but rather, I imagine him as some pervert in a seedy strip joint, licking a the ear of a sobbing single mother wearing 6 inch clear shoes who is just trying to put food on the table and whispering "No one can take away your dignity... Now, here's $20, and I want the extra good lap dance now."
And the further irony is, Thomas himself is in a marriage the legality of which was decided by a Supreme Court decision within my own lifetime (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia): it hasn't yet been fifty years since there were still laws, mostly in the South (where Thomas is from), banning interracial marriage in much the same terms and using much the same language as the anti-gay movement still uses today.
And if you needed a clearer reminder of why a Republican in the White House is dangerous, this is it. Who do you want nominated to the court if Thomas retires, or Scalia... or Ginsburg? Because while replacing those first two with another wingnut wouldn't have changed things today, replacing that third
would.
Quote from: Termin on June 26, 2015, 02:15:59 PM
I could be very well wrong on this, but Obama-care being legal as per SCOTUS decision does not make it a right, therefore if the republicans get into power, they could repeal it. So it may not be over just yet.
You are perfectly correct. What the Supreme Court did was uphold the mechanism that allows the ACA to operate, not declare a Constitutional right to basic medical care.
Come to think of it, the people who made laws and amendments in several states, banning same sex marriage or making it unconstitutional in the last decade, dug their own graves in a legal sense. It was those regulations that gave the proponents of same sex marriage something to litigate against. And today with success!
Gerard
During the NPR interview that I referred to earlier, they included a rather comprehensive discussion of human rights in general, and pointed out that giving a right to one group usually takes a right away from another. It's hard to figure out exactly what right conservatives lose in this decision, but if you talked with a conservative, he's likely to point out something about how heterosexuals are the aggrieved party. But in the words of Justice Kennedy, it is doubtful that he could offer a compelling argument (which at least from my point of view throughout the entire debate, has been the case).
NPR mentioned the case of freedom for slaves, which opposed the American right to own property, which was a closely guarded right intended by the original constitution. Well, that seems like a stretch now, but apparently it didn't seem that way during abolition for obvious reasons, I suppose. I haven't spent a lot of time thinking about opposing rights, but NPR was probably correct with maybe a few exceptions. Perhaps gay rights is one of the exceptions.
It's still mind boggling to me that gay marriage could be such a hard fought debate ending in a monumental Supreme Court decision. How we ever got to that point is hard to fathom. Much of it can be explained by the bigotry of religious indoctrination. I keep thinking about that guy that once told me, "The only reason you believe gay marriage is OK, is because you don't believe in God." That he made such an absurd comment dumbfounded me so much that I didn't even reply to it. LOL
I doubt that I'll discuss this decision with any of my conservative friends. While I'm joyful about the decision, I really don't feel like rubbing salt in anyone's wounds, and even trying to explain the human decency involved in it, I'm guessing that would amount to rubbing salt in a wound.
Quote from: trdsf on June 26, 2015, 02:20:42 PM
And if you needed a clearer reminder of why a Republican in the White House is dangerous, this is it. Who do you want nominated to the court if Thomas retires, or Scalia... or Ginsburg? Because while replacing those first two with another wingnut wouldn't have changed things today, replacing that third would.
This is always my go to argument as to why I'll hold my nose and vote Democratic when confronted by someone who wants me to vote for some "better" party with no chance of winning or who says Democrats are just Republican-light.
Almost broke into tears at work, was hard to stay composed till I got to my car. Actually still kinda hard...
My facebook exploded with several people who would not shut up about, "How DAAAAAARE YOU celebrate this!".
To quote one genius...
"You fucking pricks, while you are out celebrating cock sucking ISIS killed 29 people. Go fuck yourself."
Oh Texas, you sure breed some great men. I left them on my facebook to laugh at their stupid republican bullshit, but this went to far. Ain't no one crossing my celebratory day :D.
Quote from: Shiranu on June 26, 2015, 04:46:58 PM
"You fucking pricks, while you are out celebrating cock sucking ISIS killed 29 people. Go fuck yourself."
While we're at it, 1600 people will die of malaria today and 9 people died in a plane crash in Alaska. Oh wait, that's right, all kinds of things happen every day: some good, some great, some bad, some heinous. We can't dwell on all the shit all the time, otherwise, what would be the point? Bunch of Debbie Downers.
Quote from: Shiranu on June 26, 2015, 04:46:58 PMOh Texas, you sure breed some great men. I left them on my facebook to laugh at their stupid republican bullshit, but this went to far. Ain't no one crossing my celebratory day :D.
I often feel ashamed to be Texan. I mean, I love the state I grew up in for a lot of reasons, but I will admit it does a lot of shit that makes it hard. I will say I'm proud I'm from Dallas, one of three counties that announced ahead of time that it would uphold an affirmative decision by the Supreme Court without delay and began issuing marriage licenses within hours of the decision. Many parts of Texas are backwoods Bible-thumping ignorant, and while Dallas has its fair share of those types, it's also got a decent amount of decent people too, (and surprisingly, a pretty active gay scene).
It's been a good day. I literally am getting off right now to all the typical conservative whining.
One of my friends from high school was whining about it (This once great country is going down the shithole and blah blah blah), and I had to physically stop myself from posting "It's Raining Men" on his feed.
This guy, he is really a friend; but I found out today that he's a Confederate apologist and I got to hear the same old tired white conservative bullshit about how the Confederates leaving the Union had nothing to do with slavery.
I didn't get mad, I didn't scream. I merely threw the Declarations (plural) of Secession and the Cornerstone Speech all in his face got to watch him fumble around.
But anyways back to gay marriage, I of course went to CF and the conservative anguish will keep me turned on for a good week at the very least.
This was cool, from Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi ^^
https://vine.co/v/eJuAqVHgXKd
https://youtu.be/zWQHhKrdtSA
Libertarians have only been working toward this for 4 decades, and Democrats have only been working toward this for 1 decade.
Had this happened when WE started working on it, Conservative AND Liberal heads would have exploded.
Thank you for catching up with us.
It's about time. This is a really good day. A really, really good day.
My favorite comment so far was Rush Limbaugh blaming George Takei for this.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/rush-limbaugh-blames-mr-sulu-for-marriage-equality-decision/
Quote from: Mermaid on June 26, 2015, 07:53:09 PM
My favorite comment so far was Rush Limbaugh blaming George Takei for this.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/rush-limbaugh-blames-mr-sulu-for-marriage-equality-decision/
Brilliant. Call out someone not only smarter and better spoken, but likely to consider it a compliment. I can't wait for Takei's reply. :D
Quote from: Mermaid on June 26, 2015, 07:53:09 PM
My favorite comment so far was Rush Limbaugh blaming George Takei for this.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/rush-limbaugh-blames-mr-sulu-for-marriage-equality-decision/
Oh my ! :)
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/bitter-dissents-in-gay-marriage-case-lays-bare-122528649891.html
In his dissenting opinion Clarence Thomas writes:
QuoteJustice Clarence Thomas objects to the majority’s characterization of marriage as ennobling. “I am unsure what that means,†he wrote. “People may choose to marry or not to marry. The decision to do so does not make one person more ‘noble’ than another.â€
But would you suppose Justice Thomas believes heterosexual marriage is not more ennobling than gay marriage? I doubt it. And if it's not, then what were the conservatives snorting about all this time? It seems to me their most common reason to oppose gay marriage was that gay marriage made heterosexual marriage less noble.
If conservatives had won the decision, I could see their majority opinion flapping endlessly about preserving the ennobling sanctity of God's plan for holy matrimony. And that sounds pretty fucking high, mighty, and ennobling to me.
Quote from: SGOS on June 26, 2015, 09:38:54 PM
But would you suppose Justice Thomas believes heterosexual marriage is not more ennobling than gay marriage? I doubt it. And if it's not, then what were the conservatives snorting about all this time? It seems to me their most common reason to oppose gay marriage was that gay marriage made heterosexual marriage less noble.
His entire dissent is more ignorant (albeit more carefully penned) than most troll comments on Yahoo! news stories.
The sheer fact that he asserts that governments can not take away dignity makes it horrifying that he's a Supreme Court justice. Telling people they're allowed to have negative emotions after doing shitty things to them does not excuse the doing of those shitty things, as his argument would lead you to believe.
Like, no shit, people certainly have the
right to
feel any way they want to about injustice. This isn't 1984 and there we have no thought police. No one argues that. But his argument stops there, as if that somehow is the crux of the issue and not the legal standing of gay marriage.
I sincerely hope his colleagues asked him if he understood the assignment. He would have almost done better to turn in a rendering of a turkey crafted from tracing his hand on wrinkled construction paper.
US: Ding!
Rest of the Civilized World: Grats!
today is a good day.
Quote from: TomFoolery on June 26, 2015, 10:47:23 PM
His entire dissent is more ignorant (albeit more carefully penned) than most troll comments on Yahoo! news stories.
I think what may have pissed him off was that Justice Kennedy's comment about ennobling, whether it was germane to the mechanics of constitutional interpretation or not, stole the conservative thunder, and perhaps even without intending, redirected it back at the opposition's bigotry. I'm not a Supreme Court Justice, but it seemed like an appropriate comment in the majority opinion to me, because it was clearly a major part of the issue. If it wasn't, then the opposition wouldn't have made it an issue in the first place, but without that issue, the conservative argument would be limited to reasoning like, "You can't do that, because you just can't," or "That's not what marriage is, because that's not what it is supposed to be." From the very beginning, the opposition's logic was pretty much just that hollow.
Quote from: Shiranu on June 26, 2015, 04:46:58 PM
Almost broke into tears at work, was hard to stay composed till I got to my car. Actually still kinda hard...
My facebook exploded with several people who would not shut up about, "How DAAAAAARE YOU celebrate this!".
To quote one genius...
"You fucking pricks, while you are out celebrating cock sucking ISIS killed 29 people. Go fuck yourself."
Now you know who to unfriend. I don't tolerate such crap on my Facebook wall.
Quote from: Savior2006 on June 26, 2015, 05:25:16 PMIt's been a good day. I literally am getting off right now to all the typical conservative whining.
Literally? o_O
Nice to know that my marriage doesn't cease to exist when I cross the state line.
Sweet Schadenfreude, more like Schokoladenfreude ... sweet as a fine chocolate!
Check out the lamentations on this site:
http://www.conservativesforum.com/cgi-bin/conservatives-forum/YaBB.pl?num=1435327817/40
Loving it!!
Quote from: Jason_Harvestdancer on June 26, 2015, 07:46:09 PM
Libertarians have only been working toward this for 4 decades, and Democrats have only been working toward this for 1 decade.
So democrats are four times more effective than libertarians?
Quote from: Atheon on June 27, 2015, 08:20:13 AM
Sweet Schadenfreude, more like Schokoladenfreude ... sweet as a fine chocolate!
Check out the lamentations on this site:
http://www.conservativesforum.com/cgi-bin/conservatives-forum/YaBB.pl?num=1435327817/40
Loving it!!
:rotflmao: First one was a black man winning the elections TWICE -into their face- and NOW THIS -into their..........erm face. :rotflmao:
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Quote from: Atheon on June 27, 2015, 08:20:13 AM
Sweet Schadenfreude, more like Schokoladenfreude ... sweet as a fine chocolate!
Check out the lamentations on this site:
http://www.conservativesforum.com/cgi-bin/conservatives-forum/YaBB.pl?num=1435327817/40
Loving it!!
Quote from: conservatardSomebody made a post just yesterday about how we conservatives can push back (against this unbridled, in your face liberalism). Well, I say let's start with Ben and Jerry's ice cream. IMO, it's one thing to support gay marriage, but to dedicate and commemorate a flavor to gay marriage is another. Screw Ben and Jerry's. I will forbid my wife from buying it in the future
Hannibal here is on the right track. Supreme Court okays gay marriage, but Ben & Jerry's dedicating a flavor to it, that's when they've gone too far! What we need is for all the homophobes in the country to boycott Ben & Jerry's. You know, just like all the other corporations driven to bankruptcy for ticking of the Religious Reich, of which there are approximately zero. And on the heels of that triumphant victory, gay marriage will surely be prohibited again.
Also, way to be the man of the house and tell your wimmins what's what.
I can't believe how many non Sequiturs I saw in the comments on your video. How in the hell can one equate being gay with being a pedophile are even remotely the same, when one is illegal and the other isn't even if it has the same cause. It makes more sense to compare heterosexuality with pedophiles since most pedophiles are heterosexuals with the same cause. I'm convinced that many people's stupidity is infinite.
Quote from: the_antithesis on June 27, 2015, 12:02:54 PM
So democrats are four times more effective than libertarians?
Considering that Democrats outnumber Libertarians by much more than 4 to 1, it is a poor reflection on individual Democrats.
Try this. Go to Youtube. (Use the filter to limit searches to "Today".)
Type in "gay marriage". The results are mostly pro-gay.
Type in "homosexual marriage". The results are mostly anti-gay.
Type in "same-sex marriage". The results are mostly from media outlets, and from neutral-to-liberal sources.
In 1972 the Libertarian Party made support of gay marriage a part of its platform and nominated an openly gay candidate for President. Meanwhile...
"I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage." Barack Obama, November 1, 2008.
"I believe marriage is not just a bond but a sacred bond between a man and a woman." Hillary Clinton, 2004.
"Do you think New York State should recognize gay marriage?" Chris Matthews. "No." Hillary Clinton, 2002.
Bill Clinton signed the Defense of Marriage Act, later ruled unconstitutional, which defined marriage as between one man and one woman. 1996.
Bill Clinton supports "Don't Ask Don't Tell" which forbids military members from mentioning if they are gay. 1994.
Obama is pretty much the prime example of someone saying what he thinks people want to hear, not what he thinks himself. This is why I never trust or vote for any politician. Voting for a puppet on a string would have as much gravitas
The Libertarian Party is so tiny that they have nothing to lose by having planks that would render candidates of the major parties unelectable.
Until about five years ago, voicing support for gay marriage was political suicide for any Dem or Repube not in safe district.
In the middle of all the celebration, people are bitter at being reminded that we were there first. HA!
Not bitter at the least. The Libertarians were and are correct on this position.
And "were and are correct" first.
Quote from: Jason_Harvestdancer on June 27, 2015, 02:54:29 PM
In the middle of all the celebration, people are bitter at being reminded that we were there first. HA!
Meh...as long as we have a Danish saying that it really doesn't count. Or let's say... Dutch. Rest is nowhere near 'we were there first'. :lol:
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 27, 2015, 01:34:50 PM
Hannibal here is on the right track. Supreme Court okays gay marriage, but Ben & Jerry's dedicating a flavor to it, that's when they've gone too far! What we need is for all the homophobes in the country to boycott Ben & Jerry's. You know, just like all the other corporations driven to bankruptcy for ticking of the Religious Reich, of which there are approximately zero. And on the heels of that triumphant victory, gay marriage will surely be prohibited again.
Also, way to be the man of the house and tell your wimmins what's what.
Goddammit! Where are those days when a husband can sit down with his wife to eat ice cream without getting a hardon whenever another manly man walks by? It's Ben and Jerry's fault and until they come out with throwing a virgin in a volcano flavor I'm not eating that stuff!
Not even the I Love Rocky Road flavor? JJ is pissed!
Wouldn't Libertarians have taken the government out of the marriage business altogether? I thought Libertarians wanted the government out of people's personal relationships.
Quote from: Jason_Harvestdancer on June 27, 2015, 02:36:56 PM
In 1972 the Libertarian Party made support of gay marriage a part of its platform and nominated an openly gay candidate for President.
Meh, things evolve. I'd rather they evolve for the better than for the worse. Sort of in the way that the South used to be staunchly Democrat. My former Congressman, Ralph Hall was a Democrat for the longest until some polls showed that his district became a Republican majority and he simply switched parties and kept on winning elections. A rose by any other name, ya know?...
Quote from: Jason_Harvestdancer on June 27, 2015, 02:36:56 PM
In 1972 the Libertarian Party made support of gay marriage a part of its platform and nominated an openly gay candidate for President. Meanwhile...
"I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage." Barack Obama, November 1, 2008.
"I believe marriage is not just a bond but a sacred bond between a man and a woman." Hillary Clinton, 2004.
"Do you think New York State should recognize gay marriage?" Chris Matthews. "No." Hillary Clinton, 2002.
Bill Clinton signed the Defense of Marriage Act, later ruled unconstitutional, which defined marriage as between one man and one woman. 1996.
Bill Clinton supports "Don't Ask Don't Tell" which forbids military members from mentioning if they are gay. 1994.
Bernie Sanders has been there since at least 1972 (http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/bernie-sanders-was-for-full-gay-equality-more-than-40-years-ago/) as well, so the Socialists have been there as long as the Libertarians. And you conveniently omit the fact that Obama publicly changed his mind in the middle of a presidential campaign, in 2012, and that both Bill and Hillary have also changed their positions. At least be fair about it; you imply that they are
still opposed, and that's simply and demonstrably not true.
Facebook is lighting up... people who blame Obama and/or those that don't understand the purpose of the Supreme Court.
Example: "I would like to know why 9 unelected people can decide for the entire country on this matter. What happened with "of the people, for the people, by the peoole."
Quote from: kilodelta on June 27, 2015, 05:16:36 PM
Facebook is lighting up... people who blame Obama and/or those that don't understand the purpose of the Supreme Court.
Example: "I would like to know why 9 unelected people can decide for the entire country on this matter. What happened with "of the people, for the people, by the peoole."
:doh:
How does anyone claim to believe in "of the people, for the people, by the people" could even be against legalising marriage for everyone in the first place?
Quote from: kilodelta on June 27, 2015, 05:16:36 PM
Facebook is lighting up... people who blame Obama and/or those that don't understand the purpose of the Supreme Court.
Example: "I would like to know why 9 unelected people can decide for the entire country on this matter. What happened with "of the people, for the people, by the peoole."
oh holy fuck.
I have just seen this. A few replies to the LoveWins from here. There are some pretty funny stuff too.
https://twitter.com/hashtag/LoveWins?src=hash
Quote from: kilodelta on June 27, 2015, 05:16:36 PM
Facebook is lighting up... people who blame Obama and/or those that don't understand the purpose of the Supreme Court.
Example: "I would like to know why 9 unelected people can decide for the entire country on this matter. What happened with "of the people, for the people, by the peoole."
Funny how these are almost universally all the same people who had no problem with the Supreme Court deciding the 2000 election. Wasn't
that "a matter for the states to decide"?
Quote from: kilodelta on June 27, 2015, 05:16:36 PM
"I would like to know why 9 unelected people can decide for the entire country on this matter. What happened with "of the people, for the people, by the peoole."
I bet they didn't share this opinion when SCOTUS ruled in favor of Hobby Lobby on contraceptives. The Supreme Court is rooted in the fucking Constitution. Like, the original one. Not even the original amendments.
Our local gay bar, Stonewall Warehouse, was vandalized within 10 hours... someone climbed up on the roof and threw about 5 of the gay pride flags hanging into the street.
Butthurt bigots going to be butthurt.
Quote from: TomFoolery on June 27, 2015, 08:38:18 PM
I bet they didn't share this opinion when SCOTUS ruled in favor of Hobby Lobby on contraceptives. The Supreme Court is rooted in the fucking Constitution. Like, the original one. Not even the original amendments.
I had the same thought... the system is great until it doesn't work in your favor...
My best friend is a self described queer, and he mentioned this to me yesterday. My response was kind of meh, its not like we didn't all know this was inevitable.
Quote from: Jason_Harvestdancer on June 27, 2015, 02:56:46 PM
And "were and are correct" first.
Fine lot of good that did anyone.
Quote from: Shiranu on June 27, 2015, 08:57:52 PM
Our local gay bar, Stonewall Warehouse, was vandalized within 10 hours... someone climbed up on the roof and threw about 5 of the gay pride flags hanging into the street.
Butthurt bigots going to be butthurt.
Let's hope their butthurt will be limited with flags thrown out and nobody will get hurt.
Quote from: _Xenu_ on June 28, 2015, 06:55:16 AM
My best friend is a self described queer, and he mentioned this to me yesterday. My response was kind of meh, its not like we didn't all know this was inevitable.
Hm. That's taking an awful lot for granted. If the SCOTUS were stacked just slightly differently, the outcome could have easily been very different.
Does this mean I could marry a Mermaid if we wanted to get married? :eek: :flowers: :biggrin2:
Quote from: Solitary on June 28, 2015, 10:35:20 AM
Does this mean I could marry a Mermaid if we wanted to get married? :eek: :flowers: :biggrin2:
you can marry a merman!
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/13/1d/6c/131d6c0fe96154ebc7bde29ac9000b73.jpg)
And he'll be all like "Heeey guuuuurl!!"
Nice tush! :butt: :winkle:
Quote from: Mermaid on June 28, 2015, 10:27:14 AM
Hm. That's taking an awful lot for granted. If the SCOTUS were stacked just slightly differently, the outcome could have easily been very different.
Even if the Supreme Court had ruled the other way, against all odds, it would not have changed anything in the long run. Public opinion in this area is overwhelming. There hasn't really been a question of whether same sex marriage should be legal in quite some time, the only variable was when it would happen.
An article I read this morning, made a case that as the Supreme Court moves left or right, it tends to invite more cases from the corresponding political side that it would seem to favor. The court, as political as it is, is slightly more judicial in nature than congress, and tends to process information somewhat more logically, tending to make the Court look the opposite of what it is presumed to be by the populace.
Currently, with a right leaning court, the anti gay crowd feels like they would more likely be favored, and are more likely to present a case which they would not if the Court were skewed the other way. In the case of gay marriage, the case was also brought to the court in kind of last ditch panic, with flimsy arguments to boot. So the Court tends to be viewed (by some) as left leaning.
In an ideal American democracy, the Court would be completely unbiased, apolitical, and driven only by constitutional interpretation. But the political parties have assured that this will not be the case, because nothing can escape their insidious grasp and remain pure. It was interesting observation. I'm not sure if the author did a slam dunk, but it's probably about right. Unfortunately, while I found it interesting, I'm not sure the observation leads to anything that might improve the situation.
Quote from: _Xenu_ on June 28, 2015, 11:07:27 AM
Even if the Supreme Court had ruled the other way, against all odds, it would not have changed anything in the long run. Public opinion in this area is overwhelming. There hasn't really been a question of whether same sex marriage should be legal in quite some time, the only variable was when it would happen.
It would have taken years for all states to get on board. Meanwhile, all of those people would have been denied their basic civil right. I am grateful for this monumental event.
I wonder how long before Yahweh sends the hurricanes
Even after almost three days, Im still relishing the reactions on the right!
Mike Huckabee is crying!
Ted Cruz is crying!
Glenn Beck is crying!
Rush Limbaugh is crying!
Tony Perkins is crying!
Antonin Scalia is crying!
Roy Moore is crying!
The Mormon Church is crying!
The Scientologists are crying!
The GOP is crying!
The fundies are crying!
Still!!
So the gays have the right to marry now. How long before they realize what a horrible idea marriage is the way we straight people have?
Enjoy divorce.
Quote from: Atheon on June 28, 2015, 04:29:18 PM
The Scientologists are crying!
The Scientologists are crying? I'm aware that Hubbard didn't like gays, but I wasn't aware that the modern Scientology church cared much about gay marriage one way or the other - I thought they were pretty apolitical and pretty much just about money.
Supposedly one branch donated money in favor of Prop 8 several years ago, but that's the only thing I've heard about Scientology being anti-gay.
The official church of Scientology is viciously anti-gay. There are some splinter groups (which main church HATES) that support gay rights.
Quote from: Atheon on June 28, 2015, 04:49:55 PM
The official church of Scientology is viciously anti-gay. There are some splinter groups (which main church HATES) that support gay rights.
I don't know much about Scientology - I saw an apologist website which is apparently trying to downplay Hubbard's view on gays, saying that they were just a product of the culture of his era rather than an official stance on gays.
Though I've heard some ex-members claim they were mistreated by church members for being gay, and that at one point the church practiced gay conversion therapy.
Quote from: the_antithesis on June 28, 2015, 04:33:49 PM
So the gays have the right to marry now. How long before they realize what a horrible idea marriage is the way we straight people have?
Enjoy divorce.
Yeah this was one my thoughts on it as well. This will ultimately be a win for divorce attorneys because more marriage inevitably and unfortunately also means more divorce. Also a win for wedding planners, florists, DJ's/wedding musicians, jewelers, bakers (the smart ...er I mean gay friendly ones at least) and caterers. And of course Hallmark will most certainly find a way to cash in.
One thing I haven't yet seen talked about is common law marriage. What impact if any will this ruling have on that? Not many states recognize common law marriage these days. But those that do could conceivably see an immediate spike in common law marriage issues.
Quote from: Atheon on June 28, 2015, 04:29:18 PM
Even after almost three days, Im still relishing the reactions on the right!
Mike Huckabee is crying!
Ted Cruz is crying!
Glenn Beck is crying!
Rush Limbaugh is crying!
Tony Perkins is crying!
Antonin Scalia is crying!
Roy Moore is crying!
The Mormon Church is crying!
The Scientologists are crying!
The GOP is crying!
The fundies are crying!
Still!!
Really? :biggrin: Do we have a record of anyone crying?
Between what is going on here and there I am afraid I have become evil. :sad2:
After the rainbows all over Facebook now I am getting the inevitable backlash with "Marriage is one man and one woman" and a flood of religious posts. This was one of the more polite ones, posted by a coworker.
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oh for fucks sake. I am happy to say I have not seen this yet. I know I have several conservative Facebook friends, though.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on June 29, 2015, 06:12:32 PM
After the rainbows all over Facebook now I am getting the inevitable backlash with "Marriage is one man and one woman" and a flood of religious posts. This was one of the more polite ones, posted by a coworker.
Wow, guess all the rainbow colors really poked the hornet nests.
I think I need to be stopped.
Im fighting the overwhelming urge to visit every local church and laugh obnoxiously. This is a fight I am currently losing.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on June 29, 2015, 06:12:32 PM
After the rainbows all over Facebook now I am getting the inevitable backlash with "Marriage is one man and one woman" and a flood of religious posts. This was one of the more polite ones, posted by a coworker.
I had a friend I went to basic training with complaining about the rainbow profile pictures, saying it looked like a bunch of fags nutted Skittles all over their pictures.
All I could think was Skittles are delicious, and if semen tasted like them there would probably be a lot more gay men.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on June 29, 2015, 07:39:16 AM
Really? :biggrin: Do we have a record of anyone crying?
I'm still looking out for the compilation video so we can have all this stuff in one efficient package, but yes, there's some serious butthurt from this long and deep penetration into the virgin canal of religious freedom.
Best one imo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SeXhHdJY2g
Quote from: GSOgymrat on June 29, 2015, 06:12:32 PM
After the rainbows all over Facebook now I am getting the inevitable backlash with "Marriage is one man and one woman" and a flood of religious posts. This was one of the more polite ones, posted by a coworker.
(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/a8/82/58/a88258e63c3c5ca8217c51124d4d4879.jpg)
I can't even say "Nice try"
The fallacy in this statement is pretty blatant with this denial of being judgmental, because you also have the old "Oh yeah, we just don't think you should have the same rights as everyone else"
This is just one of those "fall off a log" things that Christians seem incapable of understanding.
I don't want to live on the same planet as that person. Hydra, I thought "Oh, it's a 2:20 video, I can watch this". I made the first minute with difficulty and had to bail.
"Rainbow Jihadists"
"The judges used their gavels like the slaveholders of old used to use their whips to beat us as social conservatives into abject submission"
I sincerely wish someone could tell me this guy has simply forgot his anti-psychotic medication.
It's almost like all you can do is try to laugh, so you don't cry. Quite disturbing.
Quote from: Cocoa Beware on June 29, 2015, 10:04:29 PM
"Rainbow Jihadists"
"The judges used their gavels like the slaveholders of old used to use their whips to beat us as social conservatives into abject submission"
I sincerely wish someone could tell me this guy has simply forgot his anti-psychotic medication.
It's almost like all you can do is try to laugh, so you don't cry. Quite disturbing.
Actually, I find that pretty funny. Must be the Southern preacher narrating in my head, "Rainbooow Jeeehadist". [emoji1]
Quote from: GSOgymrat on June 29, 2015, 06:12:32 PMAfter the rainbows all over Facebook now I am getting the inevitable backlash with "Marriage is one man and one woman" and a flood of religious posts. This was one of the more polite ones, posted by a coworker.
To me, that would warrant a summary unfriending.
I have maybe 160 Facebook friends, and most are liberals or apolitical. But I also have a handful of conservative friends. These friends are also accepting of gay marriage, for the most part. I have a couple loonie fundiepublican relatives, but they know my position and know not to let their vitriol infest my wall.... I mean "timeline".
http://explosm.net/comics/3970/
and for the link-shy:
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Quote from: Hydra009 on June 29, 2015, 07:30:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SeXhHdJY2g
With that big "We The People" in the background, his studio looks like Saul Goodman's office!
(http://i62.tinypic.com/x55u9l.jpg)
Quote from: GSOgymrat on June 29, 2015, 11:15:54 PM
Actually, I find that pretty funny. Must be the Southern preacher narrating in my head, "Rainbooow Jeeehadist". [emoji1]
I think the best part is "sodomy-based marriage". Sounds like he doesn't know what many married couples get up to in the bedroom...