http://faithreel.com/doctor-prays-patient-raises-dead-warning-video-may-change/
I hope you realize I'm kidding. This video is so full of shit, it makes my septic tank look like Gordon Ramsey's kitchen.
Edit: btw. I wonder how many people that saw this realized wondered how this fit in with god's divine plan.... if he was going to not let him die, why have the guy pray? doesn't prayer go against god's plan otherwise... like if god wasn't going to save him? If god needed to have the doctor pray, does he lose his magic like Santa Clause in "Elf" when he's not believed in, therefor he needs people to believe to make things work? I wonder how many believers thought those questions. Dumbasses.
Dr Crandall? Isn't he the guy pitching that heart health pamphlet on TV?
I think proposing an act of god saved one of your patients should be considered a sign of mental instability and therefore result in forfeiture of one's medical license. IF he even has one.
Quote from: platatomi on June 17, 2015, 02:43:07 AM
Dr Crandall? Isn't he the guy pitching that heart health pamphlet on TV?
I think proposing an act of god saved one of your patients should be considered a sign of mental instability and therefore result in forfeiture of one's medical license. IF he even has one.
He probably got his Doctor's degree from the same Crackerjack box that Deepak Chopra got his.
Well apparently prayer wasn't enough - yet there is no mention of shocking him one last time as the reason he sprang to life. He even admitted his lack of sincerity, and sincerity is something god demands when one prays to him if prayer is to be successful. My investigation results: prayer - 0 final shock - 1
Get ready for a bunch of more of this type of shit. A new tv series--Proof--is about to hit the screen. It is for the 'scientific' search for life after death. Apparently it is being made my the woman who stared in the Major Crimes series a few years ago. I can hardly wait!
Prayer- Proof that god will change his mind if you ask him to, which suggests he was wrong, which suggests..oh-oh.
It's almost as if delivering an electrical shock kick-started his body back to life or something. But no, no, it was definitely the prayer that did it.
*sigh*
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Quote from: Mike Cl on June 17, 2015, 09:45:05 AM
Get ready for a bunch of more of this type of shit. A new tv series--Proof--is about to hit the screen. It is for the 'scientific' search for life after death. Apparently it is being made my the woman who stared in the Major Crimes series a few years ago. I can hardly wait!
"A bunch more" implies that people haven't been pulling this con for some time now.
Cool. The dude has magic. I guess he'll go out into the world and start performing miracles where smartphones and camera's and record him; and I'm sure he has the typical answer to why God cared about this guy enough to save him, but not so much people in third world countries with no advanced medical technology.
same ole same ole....why do all the fortune tellers drive 81 toyota's instead of a new cadillac?
Quote from: Savior2006 on June 17, 2015, 01:44:47 PM
"A bunch more" implies that people haven't been pulling this con for some time now.
Cool. The dude has magic. I guess he'll go out into the world and start performing miracles where smartphones and camera's and record him; and I'm sure he has the typical answer to why God cared about this guy enough to save him, but not so much people in third world countries with no advanced medical technology.
Why do I say a bunch? Because the American public and TV go together . Have you seen the ads for the new TV series 'Proof'? It seems to be about what lies beyond death--and they want to find out through scientific ways. If it catches on, then everybody and their mother will have stories of coming back alive after being dead, and what they saw. This will all prove God, of course. I can hardly wait.
OK, I've had my daily dose of faith. But reason is the lighthouse, faith is the rocks below.
I'm glad the poor guy survived, but I agree with platatomi, the doc should be examined by some of his non-cardiac colleagues, to find out why he's hearing voices from thin air, and his license should perhaps be suspended in the interim.
This is what I'm referring to:
Proof
Cast
Series cast summary:
Joe Morton Joe Morton ...
Dr. Charles Russell (10 episodes, 2015)
Jennifer Beals Jennifer Beals ...
Dr. Carolyn Tyler (10 episodes, 2015)
Edi Gathegi Edi Gathegi ...
Zed / ... (10 episodes, 2015)
Callum Blue Callum Blue ...
Peter Van Owen (10 episodes, 2015)
Caroline Rose Kaplan Caroline Rose Kaplan ...
Janel Ramsey (10 episodes, 2015)
Matthew Modine Matthew Modine ...
Ivan Turing (10 episodes, 2015)
Annie Thurman Annie Thurman ...
Sophie Barliss (7 episodes, 2015)
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Storyline
Following the death of her teenage son, a divorce, and a rift with her daughter, Dr. Carolyn Tyler is persuaded by Ivan Turing, a tech inventor and billionaire with cancer, to investigate supernatural cases of reincarnation, near-death experiences, and haunting, in hopes to find evidence that death is not final. Written by Soumik Ghosh
This will air on TNT and I think the pilot is already viewable on the TNT web site. This looks like it will be just as good as Touched By An Angel. And I bet most of you liked that series extremely well!
When anyone through medicine or religion raises someone from rigor, I will be impressed. It isn't going to happen! Ever see a person come back to life when they are capitated while their heart and eyes still blink? My first memory was of a chicken getting his head axed off by my father and the bird kept flying around the yard. I've seen dead soft shell turtles bite a pencil in half after being dead for a day. Any doctor that thinks prayer works is either too dumb to be a good doctor, a fraud, a shaman, a witch doctor, medicine man, or a psychiatrist. :eek: :wink2:
Quote from: aitm on June 17, 2015, 11:23:58 AM
Prayer- Proof that god will change his mind if you ask him to, which suggests he was wrong, which suggests..oh-oh.
That is what Moses did though. In Ex 32 God was going to destroy the Jews and Moses pleaded to spare them and He did.
Something like prayer for the dead though is a joke. How can we over ride someone elses will. They make the decision to stay dead or come back to life... not anyone else.
Any Christian trying to raise someone from the dead is full of themself!! Trying to be their own god.
Quote from: KingJ on June 30, 2015, 10:47:04 AM
That is what Moses did though. In Ex 32 God was going to destroy the Jews and Moses pleaded to spare them and He did.
Something like prayer for the dead though is a joke. How can we over ride someone elses will. They make the decision to stay dead or come back to life... not anyone else.
Any Christian trying to raise someone from the dead is full of themself!! Trying to be their own god.
Let's see--Moses is a fairy tale, much like Jesus--and this fictional character is pleading with a fictional gwad to save the Jews. Sort of like Bugs Bunny begging Daffy Duck to spare Elmer Fudd. How can you override somebody else's will? Good question--but christians try doing that on a daily basis. It is called hubris. And once you are dead, you are dead--period.
Quote from: Mike Cl on June 30, 2015, 11:13:45 AM
Let's see--Moses is a fairy tale, much like Jesus--and this fictional character is pleading with a fictional gwad to save the Jews. Sort of like Bugs Bunny begging Daffy Duck to spare Elmer Fudd. How can you override somebody else's will? Good question--but christians try doing that on a daily basis. It is called hubris. And once you are dead, you are dead--period.
Discussion will go nowhere unless we deal with one issue at a time. This is not the first time you are doing this.
Okay, KingJ, open a thread, pick a topic and let's discuss. That way we can learn how the other thinks about something; go deeper into a topic.
But a thought I have about you. I don't know you, but I do know drive-by christians who want to drive by, shoot at us with their brand of the truth so clear to them that they are sure they can convert the board on the spot. They come out with guns ablaze, and full of vigor. After a few day, or maybe a couple of weeks they are gone, driven off to more friendly places. Are you like that? Will your fervor be totally blunted when asked to reason and cite evidence and come to realize that beliefs and faith carry no weight??? I'm afraid you fit this category--but I could be wrong.
Some evangelicals are like boy scouts ... they get a merit badge for doing this ;-)
We've had proof jesus is real for a long time.
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incidentally, whatever came out of this jesus's mouth was more accurate then anything that came out of the bibles jesus.
Quote from: Mike Cl on July 01, 2015, 08:55:13 AM
Okay, KingJ, open a thread, pick a topic and let's discuss. That way we can learn how the other thinks about something; go deeper into a topic.
But a thought I have about you. I don't know you, but I do know drive-by christians who want to drive by, shoot at us with their brand of the truth so clear to them that they are sure they can convert the board on the spot. They come out with guns ablaze, and full of vigor. After a few day, or maybe a couple of weeks they are gone, driven off to more friendly places. Are you like that? Will your fervor be totally blunted when asked to reason and cite evidence and come to realize that beliefs and faith carry no weight??? I'm afraid you fit this category--but I could be wrong.
I feel many Christians / thiests can be forgiven for coming here guns blazing given some of the discussions.
I used to be a regular on a Dawkins forum for around 2 years 9 years ago. Had much free time at work at the time.
Frequency here is relative. I don't believe I can convert anyone. Getting someone to repeat magical lines or join my faith is not conversion. The only way to convert someone is to get them to hate what is evil. If they already do, well then they are already on their way themselves to finding God.
God brings Christianity. We bring repentance.
And that is Christian dogma "We bring repentance". I don't think anyone can "bring repentance" ... because most people aren't willing to do what that requires, they want cheap grace. Once reason why Judaism is unpopular, is because there is no cheap grace in it (I know in my heart that G-d has forgiven me ...). You actually have to stop what the hell you are doing, in public and in private, and compensate everyone you wronged ... it is called justice ... with a substantial basis for reconciliation. Most Christians believe, that if they do something wrong, and they square it with G-d, then they are good. No need to confront one's victims. After all, if what you did was bad enough, they might kill you for it (the OT rule on shelter cities for people on the run from the Hatfields or McCoys). The emphasis on "my salvation" is all wrong, that is just American exceptionalism, not Christianity.
Here is the cycle ...
1. Pray for repentance in your own heart, substantial change of life, with justice (Tefilah)
2. Achieve repentance ... by heart, by mind, by life style and by justice ... if it is real, you won't backslide. (Teshuvah)
3. Don't be passively righteous, go out and do good works, with the permission of those you are assisting (Mitzvah)
One aspect of #3 is to do more of #1. #1 is hard, because most of us are deluded liars, like the Pharisee in the story about the wretch and the Pharisee praying together. #2 is hard, because it is going to cost you an arm and a leg, maybe your life. #2 is the same as the Eightfold Way of Buddhism aka Golden Rule. The Book of James ... is the answer for #3 ... it talks about faith without works, and works without faith. And for that reason, is the least popular book in the Bible ... because it makes you face the ugly truth about yourself. Finding faith thru works, or works thru faith misses the point ... that these are two sides of a single coin.
In summary, repentance is something you embody, not some communion wafer. You are in the repentance, Jesus isn't in the wafer.