So last night I was driving back from my friend's place. I decided to cut through a neighborhood near my house to avoid the lights on my street. Mind you, I live in MA and we just got a pretty good amount of snow earlier. And as I'm driving down the street I see shadowy figures running across the street, just beyond my headlights. As I get closer I realize there is a small mob of children...and these little fucks made a roadblock of snow in the middle of the road. I pulled up closer to see if there was any way I could get around it, but they piled it 4 ft high and I drive a Taurus, so no luck. As I'm maneuvering my three point turn in the middle of the road these demon children start throwing rocks, snowballs, and literally coming up to the car and hitting it. Pretty much, I felt like I was in a modern New England, Lord of the Flies reenactment.
Now even though I have thought about the possibility of kids from time to time, I can honestly say that throughout my entire life that I have always leaned heavily towards not wanting to have them. And this further pushes me over that side of the fence.
Seriously, I applaud you parents, I just don't understand why.
Well I don't want you to say anything that can be held against you in a court of law, so just hold up how many fingers to show how many of the little fucks ya bumper rubbed.
Haha I'll be honest the thought did cross my mind when I could see them in my rear view mirror. But I'm pretty proud to say I didn't even shout at the kids, just turned around and drove off. Not worth the sore throat.
You're better than me!! I would've dragged their little asses all over the neighborhood looking for their parents..!!!
I would have sent the police down there just cause...
Well having been bullied myself as a kid. And on top of all the shit I myself did and was lucky not to get caught, I am with you. I don't want kids, the worry alone would kill me. But on top of that they can be brats and or worse. Not to mention the cost of living.
I am fine when it is a short period of time and other adults are around, but no thank you.
I applaud people who make the decision not to have children. Growing up Mormon, where large families are the norm, I saw a lot of parents that should never have had kids. Had I not been Mormon, I probably wouldn't have.
Our species has it's priorities all wrong most of the time. If one wants kids, yea ok, we are after all a diverse species. But far too often it is sold as a social cure, and a utopia. Kids are not taught growing up to know their own comfort levels or desires and parents often project themselves on the kid. On top of that they don't learn long term life planning skills, nor do they understand compatibility issues and what constitutes hormones, which when we are young, drives us more often than not.
Right now I have a 18 year old co worker who in college, but is also getting married in December. She swears she is going to complete college, but I see mistakes down the road coming. And she is a A student, soccer player, and never gets in any semblance of trouble. But I see the same wild eyed idealism in her eyes because she is in love with the IDEA of marriage, but no one really knows what it is really like until they are actually in it.
I had a vasectomy at 21 with no children. I don't ever plan on dealing with them... ever :-)
I have thought about a vasectomy, but honestly I am way too scared of letting people with sharp objects near my ball sack.
It was really a lot less painful than I thought it would be. More uncomfortable mentally than physically!
I just remember when my dad had his done after my little bro was born. He was in bed for a few days and I was the one responsible for bringing him bags of frozen peas.
......I hate peas
Asswipes. Couldn't they just have found a nearby park/field? :-l
I'm not sure if I want to have kids or not. Having been the oldest of 4, and having especially helped with raising my currently 3-year-old brother, it's a fucking hassle to be sure. It has its up times, but people need to think about the down times, and the "oh my fucking god go to sleep!" times.
Remember, you only have to kill or mame one of them and the rest usually think better of doing it again in the future.
I don't want to have kids . Too much bullshit involved .
Quote from: "commonsense822"I have thought about a vasectomy, but honestly I am way too scared of letting people with sharp objects near my ball sack.
Not that bad. Had a vasectomy after my third child. Well worth what little pain you deal with, for maybe a week at most, and then only occasionally. Having sex and not needing a condom is very nice.
I never really wanted them... then I was a teacher for a while and realised that I definitely never wanted them....
You all must have had extraordinarily boring childhoods.. We did the same thing as kids and worse. The victims jumped out of their cars to chase our sorry asses down and coerced confessions in front of witnesses..
Someday you'll be 80 with no grown offspring to give a shit.. Sounds lonely as hell, but whatever.. I love my kids..
I must have lucked out cause I ended up with some really good one. Not for everyone though.
I don't blame the kids for what they did - where the hell were their parents? (Not that night - every night since they were born?) Idjits think that being a parent is a one-off deal, have 'em (or create 'em) and you're done. I guess you can't expect much from people who think that they have a magical invisible friend up in the sky.
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"You all must have had extraordinarily boring childhoods.. We did the same thing as kids and worse. The victims jumped out of their cars to chase our sorry asses down and coerced confessions in front of witnesses..
Someday you'll be 80 with no grown offspring to give a shit.. Sounds lonely as hell, but whatever.. I love my kids..
Wrong, I did no such thing.
Having children is NOT a guarantee of company in old age... Take a trip to an assisted living facility and show me all of this attention that these older folks are getting from their offspring.
Being childfree has it's pros and it's cons, it merely depends on what YOU consider to be a pro or a con. To me, there ARE no pros to having children AT ALL.
Glad I raised my son better.
Not to lump us all together, but it would seem, from the small sampling in this thread, that if atheism ever becomes the new world order, our species is destined for extinction! If it came down to only two belief systems on the planet - the Mormons had better be the other!
One belief, one non-belief.......oops!
Quote from: "hrdlr110"Not to lump us all together, but it would seem, from the small sampling in this thread, that if atheism ever becomes the new world order, our species is destined for extinction! If it came down to only two belief systems on the planet - the Mormons had better be the other!
Nah. There are plenty of atheists who enjoy being parents and do invest considerable time and effort into raising their children according to tenets of the scientific method, follow the teachings of Paul & Elder's Model of Critical Thinking, and always go to Pastafarian (or Invisible Pink Unicorn) Church every Tuesday after school.
I'm not particularly inclined to having children, but that probably has more to do with a not-so-child friendly financial situation, the fact that I live in the Bible Belt, and not liking the idea of pregnancy (reminds me of the movie Aliens for some reason). I typically do not like other people's children, but when I do find one that I happen to like, I don't mind their company so much and make for a pretty good babysitter.
I would hate for any spawn of mine to end up like some of these hellions I see around here. It does help me to empathize with those species of animals who occasionally eat their own young.
Quote from: "Colanth"I don't blame the kids for what they did - where the hell were their parents? (Not that night - every night since they were born?) Idjits think that being a parent is a one-off deal, have 'em (or create 'em) and you're done. I guess you can't expect much from people who think that they have a magical invisible friend up in the sky.
This
QuoteGlad I raised my son better.
Also this.
If mine ever goes up and pulls shit like that, all hell will break loose. At the very least she'll be cleaning up that whole mess with her bare hands.
I think if religion died on its ass then maybe more people would be willing to bring children into a world without the strife that religion can often bring to society.
Having children is no guarantor of company in old age. Plus.... I know that some people in my 'hood have children because they think that the kids will bail them out when they are old and skint... that doesn't strike me as a particularly ethical reason to have them.... in my opinion people ought to have children for what they can do for the children, not what the children can do for them.
Some want kids, some don't. There's nothing intrinsically right or wrong about either. The population boom on our planet suggests that human extinction isn't much to worry about. :P
Quote from: "mnmelt"You're better than me!! I would've dragged their little asses all over the neighborhood looking for their parents..!!!
I might have taken one or two of them and not returned them until their parents had paid for my car.
Nothing makes a parent sharpen up their act faster than a little kidnapping.
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"You all must have had extraordinarily boring childhoods.. We did the same thing as kids and worse. The victims jumped out of their cars to chase our sorry asses down and coerced confessions in front of witnesses..
Someday you'll be 80 with no grown offspring to give a shit.. Sounds lonely as hell, but whatever.. I love my kids..
Yeah, but if an adult does that nowadays, you'd be up in front of a judge faster than you could say child endangerment.
Quote from: "Jason78"Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"You all must have had extraordinarily boring childhoods.. We did the same thing as kids and worse. The victims jumped out of their cars to chase our sorry asses down and coerced confessions in front of witnesses..
Someday you'll be 80 with no grown offspring to give a shit.. Sounds lonely as hell, but whatever.. I love my kids..
Yeah, but if an adult does that nowadays, you'd be up in front of a judge faster than you could say child endangerment.
Yep... and all the kid has to say is "He touched my ass" and you're on the sex offender's register too. Social pariahship here we come...
I have 3 little freethinkers growing up in an atheist household. They are polite, they get good grades, they are funny, and smart, and they bring me no end of great joy and pride. I know that by having kids, I have made the world a better place by not only diluting the gene pool, ( they are half Chinese, half Northern European) but I have added 3 more freethinkers to the world.
Quote from: "Jmpty"I have 3 little freethinkers growing up in an atheist household. They are polite, they get good grades, they are funny, and smart, and they bring me no end of great joy and pride. I know that by having kids, I have made the world a better place by not only diluting the gene pool, ( they are half Chinese, half Northern European) but I have added 3 more freethinkers to the world.
That's great to hear. :-D Shame that seems to be the exception rather than the rule in my experience. 8-[
I have one son that was by no means planned, but has always been good, very smart, and is now a freshman in college.
Quote from: "commonsense822"So last night I was driving back from my friend's place. I decided to cut through a neighborhood near my house to avoid the lights on my street. Mind you, I live in MA and we just got a pretty good amount of snow earlier. And as I'm driving down the street I see shadowy figures running across the street, just beyond my headlights. As I get closer I realize there is a small mob of children...and these little fucks made a roadblock of snow in the middle of the road. I pulled up closer to see if there was any way I could get around it, but they piled it 4 ft high and I drive a Taurus, so no luck. As I'm maneuvering my three point turn in the middle of the road these demon children start throwing rocks, snowballs, and literally coming up to the car and hitting it. Pretty much, I felt like I was in a modern New England, Lord of the Flies reenactment.
Now even though I have thought about the possibility of kids from time to time, I can honestly say that throughout my entire life that I have always leaned heavily towards not wanting to have them. And this further pushes me over that side of the fence.
Seriously, I applaud you parents, I just don't understand why.
For every asshole kid that would do something like this, there's more than likely an asshole and/or negligent parent who's doing a shitty job raising their kids or keeping an eye on them. No parent who's paying even a little attention would let them build a snow fort
in the middle of the fucking road.
Quote from: "wolf39us"Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"You all must have had extraordinarily boring childhoods.. We did the same thing as kids and worse. The victims jumped out of their cars to chase our sorry asses down and coerced confessions in front of witnesses..
Someday you'll be 80 with no grown offspring to give a shit.. Sounds lonely as hell, but whatever.. I love my kids..
Wrong, I did no such thing.
Having children is NOT a guarantee of company in old age... Take a trip to an assisted living facility and show me all of this attention that these older folks are getting from their offspring.
Being childfree has it's pros and it's cons, it merely depends on what YOU consider to be a pro or a con. To me, there ARE no pros to having children AT ALL.
Yeah.. You're right. Your father probably shoüld have worn a better quality condom. :roll:
Quote from: "wolf39us"Being childfree has it's pros and it's cons, it merely depends on what YOU consider to be a pro or a con. To me, there ARE no pros to having children AT ALL.
can't miss what you've never had.
just out of curiosity, are there any posters here who are married/in LT relationships that have decided to not have kids? I just suspect it's the same people that say who say "money doesn't buy happiness" because they are poor.
perhaps i'm wrong.
Quote from: "BarkAtTheMoon"For every asshole kid that would do something like this, there's more than likely an asshole and/or negligent parent who's doing a shitty job raising their kids or keeping an eye on them. No parent who's paying even a little attention would let them build a snow fort in the middle of the fucking road.
do you have kids?
Well, the mere fact there are kids who do bad things is not, at least in my mind an indictment of all kids everywhere.
Be that as it may, some of you have forsaken parenting using that as the justification and using the same line of thinking everyone should be forced to be sterilized as to avoid children with bad behavior. Makes sense. :-k
Quote from: "surly74"Quote from: "BarkAtTheMoon"For every asshole kid that would do something like this, there's more than likely an asshole and/or negligent parent who's doing a shitty job raising their kids or keeping an eye on them. No parent who's paying even a little attention would let them build a snow fort in the middle of the fucking road.
do you have kids?
One son in college.
Quote from: "BarkAtTheMoon"Quote from: "surly74"Quote from: "BarkAtTheMoon"For every asshole kid that would do something like this, there's more than likely an asshole and/or negligent parent who's doing a shitty job raising their kids or keeping an eye on them. No parent who's paying even a little attention would let them build a snow fort in the middle of the fucking road.
do you have kids?
One son in college.
very good. he ever do something stupid?
Quote from: "surly74"very good. he ever do something stupid?
Honestly, not really, certainly not that stupid, though he was never that adventuresome particularly with being an only child growing up in the digital age.
I grew up doing ill-advised stuff all the time with my brother and his or my friends, including building snow forts, but we knew better and my mom would have stopped us if we had done something as bafflingly stupid as building one in the middle of the fucking road....then swarming a random car that was blocked by it and throwing rocks and snowballs at the car. We played in the street all the time, and we'd all yell "CAR!!!" (or "Game off" followed by "Game on" after Wayne's World came out) when a car came and knew to get out of the street. And any and all of the above of us would've been in some serious shit if we got caught doing something as stupid as what the OP kids did.
My point being that far too often a bad kid comes prepackaged with a bad parent, so the idiot kid isn't entirely to blame. You want an easy way to see who the good kids and bad kids are, on average? Go to a school open house. The parents that show up are usually the ones with the relatively good kids. We'd see the same ones show up every year at my son's school open houses. I've known a lot of teachers including my mom and my dad's current wife, and they've always said the same thing. I seriously doubt many child psychologists or teachers would dispute any of that.
This topic comes up every now and then, and it always makes me fear for the future of humanity. Atheists and other intelligent groups of people are less likely to have children, or if they do, they tend to have fewer children than average.
The religious and the really, really stupid people in society, however, breed like rabbits. Many religions even command that you have as many children as yo can until your female drops dead from having them, then go get another one and keep doing it. Seriously. This is SOOO bad for so many reasons. Overpopulation being #1, but also the fact that the lower IQ people are out-breeding the higher IQ people. And now, the higher IQ people have, in larger numbers than ever before, decided not to have ANY kids because of overpopulation, pollution, and a questionable future for humanity. Ironically, this makes the future of humanity even less optimistic, lol.
I was married for 6 years the first time, no kids. The second time, we also decided on no kids, but fate said otherwise, and we decided to go with it. So, we just have the one. I got my tubes tied asap, one is enough for us. She is very smart and well behaved, but I do see TONs of kids at her school wehre the parents don't seem to care, and are fairly neglectful, and so you get pretty bratty little kids. The brattiness of the kid really is in direct relation to the attentiveness of the parent, most of the time. All kids can be bad of course, that is one of the ways they learn.
There is one kid in my daughters class who cannot sit still or shut up for 2 minutes. He's always in trouble, always disrupting class and making uit hard for the other kids to learn. His parents are creationists who believe that he needs more God in his life to make him better at school. :Hangman: He told me the other day that God told him school was stupid and that he shouldn't do his schoolwork. Both his parents and teacher shrugged that off like it was funny.....
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"Quote from: "wolf39us"Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"You all must have had extraordinarily boring childhoods.. We did the same thing as kids and worse. The victims jumped out of their cars to chase our sorry asses down and coerced confessions in front of witnesses..
Someday you'll be 80 with no grown offspring to give a shit.. Sounds lonely as hell, but whatever.. I love my kids..
Wrong, I did no such thing.
Having children is NOT a guarantee of company in old age... Take a trip to an assisted living facility and show me all of this attention that these older folks are getting from their offspring.
Being childfree has it's pros and it's cons, it merely depends on what YOU consider to be a pro or a con. To me, there ARE no pros to having children AT ALL.
Yeah.. You're right. Your father probably shoüld have worn a better quality condom. :roll:
What does that have to do with a choice to have children or not?
Quote from: "BarkAtTheMoon"Go to a school open house. The parents that show up are usually the ones with the relatively good kids. We'd see the same ones show up every year at my son's school open houses. I've known a lot of teachers including my mom and my dad's current wife, and they've always said the same thing. I seriously doubt many child psychologists or teachers would dispute any of that.
open houses are good. I coach a 9/10 year old football team to the same result. want to see a nanny society? coach youth sports.
anyhow, i've had conversations with my sister who is a mother for the first time. There is a whole self esteem thing going on. Everyone thinks they deserve to have good self esteem without actually doing anything. It's people like that which scare me. One facebook conversation someone chimed in that complimenting the looks of a five year old girl, as in saying "my aren't you cute", was the same as homophobic or racial slurs.
everyone is afraid of putting their child through discomfort. of any kind.
Open houses? Good? BAH! The only people who come to those things are goodytooshoe soccer-mom barbie idiots.(No offense to those of you who go to them. :) ) Maybe it's different in other states, but at least in Texas those type of people are the only one's I've ever seen at my schools open houses. They're the type of people who think cannabis is evil, that "Everybody's special!", that "You can be whatever you want to be!", that children who don't live in brick houses are being "neglected", that metal music is bad, that put bumper stickers like "Baby-on-board!" and "Support our troops!" on their cars, and think that anyone who doesn't conform to their ideals is stupid. Those extroverted, hypocritical, condescending, patronizing, puke-inducing, shallow, barbie, "patriotic", do-gooder, pat-themselves-on-the-back, virus with shoes, dumb-asses are the very reason I'm such an asocial misanthrope.
Again, this only applies to the people I've met at these school events, here in Texas. I'm not trying to offend anyone. :rollin:
Quote from: "surly74"open houses are good. I coach a 9/10 year old football team to the same result. want to see a nanny society? coach youth sports.
I've wanted to punch parents at youth sports games before, particularly the imbecile soccer moms who think they know something about the sport and scream at the kids to do X, Y, Z in the game. Shut up, lady. You're an idiot.
Quote from: "BarkAtTheMoon"Quote from: "surly74"open houses are good. I coach a 9/10 year old football team to the same result. want to see a nanny society? coach youth sports.
I've wanted to punch parents at youth sports games before, particularly the imbecile soccer moms who think they know something about the sport and scream at the kids to do X, Y, Z in the game. Shut up, lady. You're an idiot.
I was THE worst for this, Bark. OMG I was soooo bad. Running up and down the sidelines of the soccer field. Till.....one day my youngest on the ride home explained that it was embarrassing to her when I did so. Never did it again. AND I apologized to the older two. At which point they replied "But you were the only mom there who paid attention to US and the game instead of being there to gossip and crap like that!" Made me feel better - but I never ran up and down the sidelines again.
I played tennis. WTF did I really know about soccer? lol Just loved my kids and wanted to encourage them to try hard.
Quote from: "commonsense822"Haha I'll be honest the thought did cross my mind when I could see them in my rear view mirror. But I'm pretty proud to say I didn't even shout at the kids, just turned around and drove off. Not worth the sore throat.
How do you know that they were throwing stones? Did one/multiple ones damage your car?
If so, having to pay to fix your property/live with your property being damaged is totally fine? It wouldn't be for me.
Quote from: "surly74"just out of curiosity, are there any posters here who are married/in LT relationships that have decided to not have kids? I just suspect it's the same people that say who say "money doesn't buy happiness" because they are poor.
perhaps i'm wrong.
I am married and I don't have any children by choice. I don't think I've ever said that money can't buy happiness. I've been piss poor and I've made decent money at various times in my life. Having no money sucked. There is no question that having some money is better and makes me happier than having no money.
Quote from: "Johan"I am married and I don't have any children by choice. I don't think I've ever said that money can't buy happiness. I've been piss poor and I've made decent money at various times in my life. Having no money sucked. There is no question that having some money is better and makes me happier than having no money.
the comparison i was making with the money was an out loud thought. I was actually wondering if people that didn't like kids even had the opportunity to create any. same as the thought of anyone that says "money doesn't buy...". Money does buy a wave runner though.
Regarding money and hapiness, I have more money than I used to, but I'm actually less happy. Obtaining the extra money is costing more happiness than the money itself can buy.
(I suppose this is also related to the opportunity cost of eating, sleeping and fornicating. They are generally things that make you happy, but come at a monetary cost. If you need to expend more happiness than they bring, more money won't make you happier. This is also why people are so jealous of those who love their job; they get paid without having to expend any happiness, which is of course awesome.)
I don't understand this question. Are you asking if only infertile couples are the ones who say they don't like children?
I got sterilized willingly and I'm sure there are plenty out there that actively avoid the presence and sound of children as I do.
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "BarkAtTheMoon"Quote from: "surly74"open houses are good. I coach a 9/10 year old football team to the same result. want to see a nanny society? coach youth sports.
I've wanted to punch parents at youth sports games before, particularly the imbecile soccer moms who think they know something about the sport and scream at the kids to do X, Y, Z in the game. Shut up, lady. You're an idiot.
I was THE worst for this, Bark. OMG I was soooo bad. Running up and down the sidelines of the soccer field. Till.....one day my youngest on the ride home explained that it was embarrassing to her when I did so. Never did it again. AND I apologized to the older two. At which point they replied "But you were the only mom there who paid attention to US and the game instead of being there to gossip and crap like that!" Made me feel better - but I never ran up and down the sidelines again.
I played tennis. WTF did I really know about soccer? lol Just loved my kids and wanted to encourage them to try hard.
first, soccer isn't a real sport. if i want to watch 20 people jogging i would watch a marathon.
Our team openly encouraged parent participation at the games, cheer, keep things positive. Making them sign a code of conduct that we could reference helped, especially when i had mothers openly petitioning for my removal. I'd have one come up to me and ask to make a suggestion and I said NO. You are a parent, you don't get to make suggestions, if you wanted to make suggestions you could have volunteered to help the team as a manager or assistant. (the suggestions was their child should have won the hardest worker trophy for that week)
not to go off on a rant here but you see the entitlement of parents on sports teams. The beauty about sports teams is they teach kids lessons in life they wouldn't get anywhere else. Life isn't fair, nothing is handed too you, failure is ok as long as you learn something about it. Everyone is not equal. people are better than you at everything you do, you can either bitch about it and expect them to be dragged down to their level or work to improve yourself. every kids should play at least one year of organized sports.
Quote from: "surly74"Quote from: "Johan"I am married and I don't have any children by choice. I don't think I've ever said that money can't buy happiness. I've been piss poor and I've made decent money at various times in my life. Having no money sucked. There is no question that having some money is better and makes me happier than having no money.
the comparison i was making with the money was an out loud thought. I was actually wondering if people that didn't like kids even had the opportunity to create any. same as the thought of anyone that says "money doesn't buy...". Money does buy a wave runner though.
Oh I misunderstood what you were asking. I can assure you that I've had plenty of opportunity to reproduce and lots of practice. But I never wanted kids so I never pulled the goalie.
Quote from: "Plu"Regarding money and hapiness, I have more money than I used to, but I'm actually less happy. Obtaining the extra money is costing more happiness than the money itself can buy.
(I suppose this is also related to the opportunity cost of eating, sleeping and fornicating. They are generally things that make you happy, but come at a monetary cost. If you need to expend more happiness than they bring, more money won't make you happier. This is also why people are so jealous of those who love their job; they get paid without having to expend any happiness, which is of course awesome.)
What i'm saying is the people that say "money doesn't buy happiness" is using it as a cop out because they typically don't have any. Pretending they made the decision to not do something when they didn't have the opportunity anyway.
In this case all the people that don't want kids, are they actually in a postion where kids are a possibility (having sex?).
Quote from: "Johan"Quote from: "surly74"Quote from: "Johan"I am married and I don't have any children by choice. I don't think I've ever said that money can't buy happiness. I've been piss poor and I've made decent money at various times in my life. Having no money sucked. There is no question that having some money is better and makes me happier than having no money.
the comparison i was making with the money was an out loud thought. I was actually wondering if people that didn't like kids even had the opportunity to create any. same as the thought of anyone that says "money doesn't buy...". Money does buy a wave runner though.
Oh I misunderstood what you were asking. I can assure you that I've had plenty of opportunity to reproduce and lots of practice. But I never wanted kids so I never pulled the goalie.
NP.
Quote from: "wolf39us"I don't understand this question. Are you asking if only infertile couples are the ones who say they don't like children?
I got sterilized willingly and I'm sure there are plenty out there that actively avoid the presence and sound of children as I do.
not infertile couples. people that don't have any prospects for actual sex.
You know why I don't date supermodels? Because they are too high maintenance, that's why. (Ignoring the fact I've never been in the position to date supermodels)
Well I have no doubt that there are cases out there where people falsely claim to not want kids as a sort of coping mechanism to shield the fact that they don't stand much chance of finding a partner. But I don't know that I'd say the majority fall into the category. Having worked in bars in my younger days, its been my observation that most people regardless of gender one can usually find a partner to pair off with for the evening provided they have sufficiently high social skills or sufficiently low standards.
that's why i was inquiring.
If you want to be anti-kid-ed-did, spend a day in Utah. This is true-yesterday I took my wife in for an MRI. Outside the clinic, while walking the dog, I saw three (3) in a row young mothers walk in with three children each. All the same- one about 2-3, one about 18 months and one being carried in a baby basket. True story, no exaggeration.
Or better yet, go to Provo Utah and sit outside of Macey's grocery store near BYU campus, and count the preggers dragging kids behind them in and out of the store. fucking nauseating.
Quote from: "stromboli"If you want to be anti-kid-ed-did, spend a day in Utah. This is true-yesterday I took my wife in for an MRI. Outside the clinic, while walking the dog, I saw three (3) in a row young mothers walk in with three children each. All the same- one about 2-3, one about 18 months and one being carried in a baby basket. True story, no exaggeration.
Or better yet, go to Provo Utah and sit outside of Macey's grocery store near BYU campus, and count the preggers dragging kids behind them in and out of the store. fucking nauseating.
Well, if we pass laws limiting them to Utah only, they will still be limited to two senators, even if they do rack up an unreal number of Representatives. :)
Oh cut the crap folks..there's nothing morally superior to wanting nor not wanting kids. Each position has benefits so it comes down to EVERYONE'S parents had at least 1 kid either by choice or by accident. You're here one way or the other. Be glad your parental units copulated or go jump off a bridge and quit whining.. :lol:
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"Oh cut the crap folks..there's nothing morally superior to wanting nor not wanting kids. Each position has benefits so it comes down to EVERYONE'S parents had at least 1 kid either by choice or by accident. You're here one way or the other. Be glad your parental units copulated or go jump off a bridge and quit whining.. :lol:
What's your point? What does "everyone's parents had at least 1 child" have to do with anything? What my parents chose to do has zero to do with me, my opinions or much of anything really.
Quote from: "wolf39us"Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"Oh cut the crap folks..there's nothing morally superior to wanting nor not wanting kids. Each position has benefits so it comes down to EVERYONE'S parents had at least 1 kid either by choice or by accident. You're here one way or the other. Be glad your parental units copulated or go jump off a bridge and quit whining.. :lol:
What's your point? What does "everyone's parents had at least 1 child" have to do with anything? What my parents chose to do has zero to do with me, my opinions or much of anything really.
Generally, not every time, but generally most 'I don't want kids' threads come over as pretentious nonsense of how not having kids is morally and intellectually superior to all us fuckers pumping out baby after unwanted baby and how kids are such little assholes and blah, blah, blah..
Now, if this personally offends you wolf then please grow a thicker skin.
Not having kids is just not having kids and the same holds for having them. I just get tired of the phony intellectual mental jerking off over it.
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"Generally, not every time, but generally most 'I don't want kids' threads come over as pretentious nonsense of how not having kids is morally and intellectually superior to all us fuckers pumping out baby after unwanted baby and how kids are such little assholes and blah, blah, blah..
Now, if this personally offends you wolf then please grow a thicker skin.
Not having kids is just not having kids and the same holds for having them. I just get tired of the phony intellectual mental jerking off over it.
Man, wait 'til you read this blog (//http://thechildfreelife.com/). The superiority complex thrown around there must be read to be believed.
There's a member at a music forum I post at who is virulently anti-child/parent. It's so extreme I often think he must be a Poe who lost his way and wound up there. But no ... he really feels the way he does. It's pathetic that some folk cannot settle for "live and let live" -- those folk who
must chastise others for not sharing their own exact opinions.
Yeah, I hate(most) kids.
Quote from: "Farroc"Yeah, I hate(most) kids.
You
are a kid. You don't get to have an opinion on the subject yet :P
Quote from: "commonsense822"And as I'm driving down the street I see shadowy figures running across the street, just beyond my headlights. As I get closer I realize there is a small mob of children...and these little fucks made a roadblock of snow in the middle of the road. I pulled up closer to see if there was any way I could get around it, but they piled it 4 ft high and I drive a Taurus, so no luck. As I'm maneuvering my three point turn in the middle of the road these demon children start throwing rocks, snowballs, and literally coming up to the car and hitting it. Pretty much, I felt like I was in a modern New England, Lord of the Flies reenactment.
Honestly, that's fucking sweet.
I should be getting a much better job than the one I currently have soon, so a few pay checks in I'll start looking further into getting a vasectomy. Whenever I feel like shit, I remind myself that I won't ever have to deal with kids and I feel great.