http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2015/05/28/whoops-a-creationist-museum-supporter-stumbled-upon-a-major-fossil-find/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2015/05/28/whoops-a-creationist-museum-supporter-stumbled-upon-a-major-fossil-find/)
QuoteCanadian Edgar Nernberg isn't into the whole evolution thing. In fact, he's on the board of directors of Big Valley’s Creation Science Museum, a place meant to rival local scientific institutions. Adhering to the most extreme form of religious creationism, the exhibits "prove" that the Earth is only around 6,000 years old, and that humans and dinosaurs co-existed.
Unfortunately, Nernberg just dug up a 60-million-year-old fish.
Quote“No, it hasn’t changed my mind. We all have the same evidence, and it’s just a matter of how you interpret it,†Nernberg told the Calgary Sun. “There’s no dates stamped on these things."
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“No, it hasn’t changed my mind. We all have the same evidence, and it’s just a matter of how you interpret it,†Nernberg told the Calgary Sun. “There’s no dates stamped on these things."
“There’s no dates stamped on these things."
...yeah... and sex organs don't have tattooed instructions either. But, people can figure it out.
Typical creotard. Ignoring the evidence staring at him in the face.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on May 29, 2015, 03:43:41 PM
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“No, it hasn’t changed my mind. We all have the same evidence, and it’s just a matter of how you interpret it,†Nernberg told the Calgary Sun. “There’s no dates stamped on these things."
"it’s just a matter of how you misinterpret it"
Quote“No, it hasn’t changed my mind. We all have the same evidence, and it’s just a matter of how you interpret it,â€
Its NOT how you interpret it you ignorant twit. The science behind dating these things is very solid and not all that hard to understand.
This is why I don't bother to vote. Because I could follow the issues, watch the debates and do all the research so as to cast a well informed vote when I walk into the booth. And then twats like this will come strolling up in their clown shoes right after me and play connect the dots on the ballot like its a bingo score card.
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The science behind dating these things is very solid and not all that hard to understand.
If you are a creationist, you won't understand it. You are told that the dating methodology is flawed, and it's true that some of the older methods like (Carbon 14??) become less accurate after 40,000 years, but you don't even believe in 40,000 years anyway. The newer methods are accurate back into the millions with a possible error of +/- millions, so dating a 150 million year old dinosaur could mean it's only 5,000 years old, and does not conflict with your knowledge of the Earth's history. If you don't understand that a billion is significantly different than a thousand, then anything in-between is going to sound like science gibberish.
And modern cosmology makes even less sense. If a light year is longer than a normal year, what does that have to do with the size of the universe? It's easy enough to tell just by looking up that the sky is nothing more than a firmament a few thousand feet above the ground. No extra units of measure with silly names are necessary to explain anything.
Quote from: Johan on May 30, 2015, 07:01:32 AM
This is why I don't bother to vote. Because I could follow the issues, watch the debates and do all the research so as to cast a well informed vote when I walk into the booth. And then twats like this will come strolling up in their clown shoes right after me and play connect the dots on the ballot like its a bingo score card.
I need to disagree here. If you're not voting because idiots like him vote, you're essentially giving idiots like him two votes, since yours isn't there to counterbalance it. We need
more informed voters, not
fewer.
Quote from: trdsf on May 30, 2015, 08:52:16 PM
I need to disagree here. If you're not voting because idiots like him vote, you're essentially giving idiots like him two votes, since yours isn't there to counterbalance it. We need more informed voters, not fewer.
That's part of it but its not the only reason I don't bother voting. The whole system is a farse and the oft quoted adages every vote counts and your vote is your voice are bullshit.
Every does not count. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20120929/us-some-votes-count-more/ (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20120929/us-some-votes-count-more/)
But most importantly the older I get, the more it seems like picking between the candidates who stay in the race all the way to election day is like choosing which flavor of pig vomit I want to pour over my corn flakes. No one ever votes for a candidate anymore. When we vote we're almost always voting against the other guy rather than voting for the person whose lever we end up pulling. There is just something very very wrong with that reality IMO and I no longer see the point in participating in such a fucked up system.
Quote from: Johan on May 30, 2015, 09:42:22 PM
That's part of it but its not the only reason I don't bother voting. The whole system is a farse and the oft quoted adages every vote counts and your vote is your voice are bullshit.
Every does not count. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20120929/us-some-votes-count-more/ (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20120929/us-some-votes-count-more/)
But most importantly the older I get, the more it seems like picking between the candidates who stay in the race all the way to election day is like choosing which flavor of pig vomit I want to pour over my corn flakes. No one ever votes for a candidate anymore. When we vote we're almost always voting against the other guy rather than voting for the person whose lever we end up pulling. There is just something very very wrong with that reality IMO and I no longer see the point in participating in such a fucked up system.
FSM knows I understand political burnout, and especially in the wake of the
Citizens United the system is completely fucked up in favor of money over actual people.
I just think that not voting only serves to preserve the current fucked-up-ness. I want candidates who will support Supreme Court nominees who will vote to overturn
Citizens. I want candidates who are going to make nominations to the Supreme Court that don't make Scalia look sane (do you
really want to contemplate a Walker or Santorum-chosen Justice?).
Staying home doesn't improve the chances of those candidates attaining office -- even if both candidates suck, it's certain that one of them sucks less than the other. I'd rather hold my nose and vote for the lesser of two evils than stand by and watch the greater take power.
Also, back on subject, I do want to say I appreciate that the guy who found these fossils had, despite his adherence to a completely mad idea, sufficient presence of mind to turn it over to professional paleontologists and the local university.
There's a 'wise' lesson to be learned from this. If you choose not to believe in science, refrain from digging the ground for clues....
Also one wonders how steadfast this man is in his belief. I mean... He found this fish and where did he take it? To his own museum? No! He took it to people who actually knew what they're talking about! Why would he do a thing like that? Somewhere in his heart of hearts this man must have subconsciously realized where trustworthy information could best be found... (and where not!)
Gerard
Quote from: trdsf on May 31, 2015, 03:57:11 AMI want candidates who are going to make nominations to the Supreme Court that don't make Scalia look sane (do you really want to contemplate a Walker or Santorum-chosen Justice?).
Staying home doesn't improve the chances of those candidates attaining office -- even if both candidates suck, it's certain that one of them sucks less than the other. I'd rather hold my nose and vote for the lesser of two evils than stand by and watch the greater take power.
Which is exactly why YOU should vote. I'm at the point where so many candidates have let me down and done the exact opposite of what they said they'd do once elected that I no longer trust any of them at all. Its great that we still have people like you who think their vote matters and think the candidates might at least be trying to tell the truth just a little. We need more people like that. Unfortunately I'm just not one of them. Fool me once and all that.
Quote from: Johan on May 31, 2015, 11:35:32 AM
Which is exactly why YOU should vote. I'm at the point where so many candidates have let me down and done the exact opposite of what they said they'd do once elected that I no longer trust any of them at all. Its great that we still have people like you who think their vote matters and think the candidates might at least be trying to tell the truth just a little. We need more people like that. Unfortunately I'm just not one of them. Fool me once and all that.
I'm getting close to where you are Johan. Voting for president is almost nonsensical since we don't really vote for the president. I think the only time the vote really can count is on the local level. And even then, it is problematical.
Quote from: trdsf on May 31, 2015, 04:30:36 AM
Also, back on subject, I do want to say I appreciate that the guy who found these fossils had, despite his adherence to a completely mad idea, sufficient presence of mind to turn it over to professional paleontologists and the local university.
Yeah. It's a real shame that he couldn't have been one of those professional paleontologists. He's clearly fascinated by the subject and knows enough to recognize a fossil when he sees one. If not for his irrational adherence to pseudoscience, he could've seen this through instead of just being the courier. I wonder how many promising careers die off in sunday school year after year...
There are plenty of people who work in scientific fields that are also theists. I can't imagine how they rationalize it, but they do and are thus able to do their jobs just as well as any other. This guy obviously isn't one of them.
I didn't come from a monkey. I came from a rib!
can't find the damn picture right now…..ARRRRRHHH!
Quote from: aitm on May 31, 2015, 02:37:17 PM
I didn't come from a monkey. I came from a rib!
If you came from a rib, how come there's still ribs?
"There's no dates stamped on these."
YES BECAUSE CARBON DATING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH DATES.
Sigh. Sometimes I have to tell myself that it isn't their fault, that they're stuck in delusions and they need coercion to break out of their own religious shell. But other times, you just gotta yell at something stupid that you see.
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 31, 2015, 12:00:16 PM
I'm getting close to where you are Johan. Voting for president is almost nonsensical since we don't really vote for the president. I think the only time the vote really can count is on the local level. And even then, it is problematical.
How many times has the Electoral College gone against the popular vote?
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on June 02, 2015, 07:46:01 PM
How many times has the Electoral College gone against the popular vote?
Three times. But one time is too many IMO. Especially when we're talking about a system which came about as a compromise to prevent southern slave owners from having an unfair advantage in popular votes. IOW there is absolutely no valid reason in this day and age to elect a president via small number of elected or hand selected schmucks who are often not bound in any legal way to cast their vote according to anything other than their own personal whim.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on June 02, 2015, 07:46:01 PM
How many times has the Electoral College gone against the popular vote?
So far there have been 157 'faithless voters'. None have swayed an election. But the possibility exists. In 21 states the delegates do not have to vote for anybody in particular--not legally. They have to vote but for anybody they want. I think this system really stinks.
In some states they don't even have to vote, they can abstain.
Quote from: Johan on June 02, 2015, 09:35:33 PM
In some states they don't even have to vote, they can abstain.
Yep--you are right.
Well, basically that's what you get from deifying the Constitution the Founding Fathers and Framers and what have you. I mean, ok, they were great, they changed history but being stuck with a 18th century constitutional make up in the 21st, couldn't have been what they wanted. They were reformers in their days, weren't they?
Gerard
So, fix it.
Quote from: Mike Cl on June 03, 2015, 10:56:25 AM
Did the Koch brothers say we could?????
Yes, we can!
So much for, "The truth shall set you free!"
I'm glad the guy didn't just bury the fossil. Seems like creationists would like them to stay buried, but this guy had a chance to re-bury one, and didn't take it. He may get some blowback from his fellow creationist brethren.
Quote from: Solitary on June 03, 2015, 03:58:35 PM
So much for, "The truth shall set you free!"
And so much for being part of the solution or part of the problem.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 03, 2015, 04:14:48 PM
I'm glad the guy didn't just bury the fossil. Seems like creationists would like them to stay buried, but this guy had a chance to re-bury one, and didn't take it. He may get some blowback from his fellow creationist brethren.
Wouldn't matter. The cat's already out of the bag. All they can do now is stick their heads in the sand and encourage others to do the same. Sadly, that works in some parts of the world.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 03, 2015, 04:14:48 PM
I'm glad the guy didn't just bury the fossil. Seems like creationists would like them to stay buried, but this guy had a chance to re-bury one, and didn't take it. He may get some blowback from his fellow creationist brethren.
Not at all, all fossils are just proof of the flood to them
Yeah, that's the part I don't understand, that they accept the existence of fossils (although I have heard some claim that fossils are created by the devil to mislead humans), but so insanely misinterpret them.
I should like to know how they explain the total and complete lack of millions of human fossils caused by the flood.
No, on second thought, I don't care what their "reasoning" is.
How do Creationists rationalize their belief that the universe is 6,000 years old with such discoveries, especially when they're the ones to make such discoveries?
Quote from: Sylar on June 22, 2015, 01:53:36 AM
How do Creationists rationalize their belief that the universe is 6,000 years old with such discoveries, especially when they're the ones to make such discoveries?
You used "creationist" and "rational" in the same sentence. You get ten years on the naughty step.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on June 22, 2015, 06:34:34 AM
You used "creationist" and "rational" in the same sentence. You get ten years on the naughty step.
Nope, rationalize != rational xD.
Quote from: Sylar on June 23, 2015, 01:11:55 AM
Nope, rationalize != rational xD.
You can't type "rationalize" without typing "rational". So there!
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on June 23, 2015, 06:05:04 AM
You can't type "rationalize" without typing "rational". So there!
Just like you can't type 'slaughter' without 'laughter'.
Quote from: trdsf on June 23, 2015, 04:20:45 PM
Just like you can't type 'slaughter' without 'laughter'.
can't type 'restaurant' without a 'rest'.
Quote from: Mike Cl on June 23, 2015, 04:39:11 PM
can't type 'restaurant' without a 'rest'.
Or 'dysfunctional' without 'fun'.
"Diet" without "DIE!!!!!!"
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on June 24, 2015, 07:15:47 AM
"Diet" without "DIE!!!!!!"
I can 'relate' to that--and my DIEt's are always too 'late'.