It's crazy how much the fundamentalists destroy, but how little they add in the way of science, arts, and philosophy - you'd think it'd should clue them in that their "religion" is morally bankrupt
http://www.syracuse.com/us-news/index.ssf/2015/03/isis_wants_to_destroy_egypts_pyramids_sphinx.html
An Islamist preacher from Kuwait has issued a "fatwa," calling on Islamic State militants to destroy Egypt's Sphinx and pyramids, according to reports.
Preacher Ibrahim Al Kandari's call comes amid growing concern about members of the self-proclaimed Islamic State group (ISIS) destroying historic sites and artifacts in the Middle East, RT reported.
"The fact that early Muslims who were among prophet Mohammed's followers did not destroy the pharaohs' monuments upon entering the Egyptian soil, does not mean that we shouldn't do it now," Al Kandari said.
A similar call came from Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who said ISIS followers had a "religious duty" to end the worship of material objects and idols, Al Alam news reported.
Al Arabiya News reported that the same edict was originally issued in 2012, and translated it further:
"(The destruction of) monuments is a duty by Sharia (Islamic) law, as many texts have stipulated... Texts on this issue are many and well-known but (implementing) them is restrained to one's ability... and so, if it's not possible to destroy the pyramids and the Sphinx as a result of the presence of an authority preventing that, Muslims would not be committing a sin."
Last week, amid Iraqi military operations to retake Tikrit, ISIS militants reportedly bulldozed the city of Nimrud and looted several other historical sites.
RYOT reported that the UN's cultural agency, UNESCO, called the "cultural cleansing" of the ancient sites a war crime.
The discovery of Numrud's royal tombs in the 1980s was considered one of the 20th century's most significant archaeological discoveries, comparable to the discovery of King Tutankhamun's tomb in Egypt.
Yeah they can't stand it. Like animals see bigger things than they can anticipate as a threat.
Also for the record, Islamists have had a 'specific problem' with Egyptian monuments for huuuundreds of years. Probably because they are too big and too ancient. Also as they are not some structures to 'worship in', you can't transform it to something 'functional' like a mosque and headquarters.
Besides, what do these monuments mean by standing all huge, enduring thousands of years like that?!
Egypt is not going to let that happen.
The sad thing about this is that if an Isis member gets ahold of the right kind of weapon and gets lucky, he could damage such a world renowned landmark as the sphinx, before he gets shot.
I keep wondering if this is to further the cause of Islam or if the world is adjusted to on line decapitations, and they are just trying to reinforce their image as a global threat.
Quote from: SGOS on May 20, 2015, 07:13:43 AM
I keep wondering if this is to further the cause of Islam or if the world is adjusted to on line decapitations, and they are just trying to reinforce their image as a global threat.
If it's to further their agenda, they are doing a shit job of it. ISIS is not popular in the least with any Muslim I know, nor with the largest Muslim organizations in the world.
It's just a shame we kept on fucking over the region to the point that radicals like this have a chance to get into power. But hey... we had to fuck up the region, because communism and oil!
They do and i hope they die horribly.
They are just such complete and utter twats; they really are.
Pyramid envy ?
We can thank the house of Saud for continued support of ISIS and the US government for the continued ass licking of said house..
It certainly wouldn't be an unprecedented act, in terms of Muslims destroying large historic monuments:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYPjOeJyNDI
Im not sure if Egypt should be taking this seriously, but then again Im not sure if this would be difficult to accomplish if you really applied yourself.
Quote from: Shiranu on May 20, 2015, 04:18:49 PM
If it's to further their agenda, they are doing a shit job of it. ISIS is not popular in the least with any Muslim I know, nor with the largest Muslim organizations in the world.
It's just a shame we kept on fucking over the region to the point that radicals like this have a chance to get into power. But hey... we had to fuck up the region, because communism and oil!
I have always found this to be perplexing, because what ISIS is doing is much the same as what Mohammed himself did.
You know, the perfect role model who stole, took sex slaves and enjoyed decapitating people. Would your Muslim friends care to explain this?
Quote from: Cocoa Beware on May 25, 2015, 06:40:08 PM
I have always found this to be perplexing, because what ISIS is doing is much the same as what Mohammed himself did.
You know, the perfect role model who stole, took sex slaves and enjoyed decapitating people. Would your Muslim friends care to explain this?
If my friends are willing to pay taxes, not break any laws and keep their religion to themselves, like they do, I really have no need to get in their face and ask them to explain their religion to me. The fact that they aren't criminals, don't have any intention of being criminals, and are great people (yes, they say that has to do with their religion, and I am prone to agree) is good enough for me.
To do so would make me just as obnoxious as the theists who get in atheists faces for disagreeing with them. Believe it or not, but not all atheists are anti-theists. I personally have no desire to see religion wiped off the face of the earth, nor think the world would be significantly better (and it certainly would lose a good deal of cultural variety, which is never a good thing).
Quote from: Shiranu on May 25, 2015, 07:20:23 PM
If my friends are willing to pay taxes, not break any laws and keep their religion to themselves, like they do, I really have no need to get in their face and ask them to explain their religion to me. The fact that they aren't criminals, don't have any intention of being criminals, and are great people (yes, they say that has to do with their religion, and I am prone to agree) is good enough for me.
They are not great people if they believe in hell.
Quote from: 1liesalot on May 25, 2015, 11:13:41 PM
They are not great people if they believe in hell.
Difference between you and I, I would guess... I let their actions, not their beliefs, speak for themselves. That and I try not to pass judgment on people I have never met, nor heard of their reputation or even their name.
Quote from: Shiranu on May 25, 2015, 11:25:36 PM
Difference between you and I, I would guess... I let their actions, not their beliefs, speak for themselves. That and I try not to pass judgment on people I have never met, nor heard of their reputation or even their name.
I try not to judge but anyone who entertains the notion of kids and babies burning in eternal hell fire and (in spite of this) deems it to be appropriate to worship the entity responsible for such atrocities is an intrinsically wicked and evil individual. I am literally incapable of concluding that people who hold these views are in any way good.
Quote from: 1liesalot on May 25, 2015, 11:34:51 PM
I try not to judge but anyone who entertains the notion of kids and babies burning in eternal hell fire and (in spite of this) deems it to be appropriate to worship the entity responsible for such atrocities is an intrinsically wicked and evil individual. I am literally incapable of concluding that people who hold these views are in any way good.
Then you are, bluntly...
(Edited for a little tact)
...ignorant of what it's like to be raised in a fundamentalist household, fundamentalist society.
Quote from: 1liesalot on May 25, 2015, 11:13:41 PM
They are not great people if they believe in hell.
The simple belief in hell does not make a person bad. When I make friends I don't usually inquire about their religious beliefs. We usually share some common interests, things we like to do together. I don't think about quizzing them about their beliefs. I share what we have in common and let it go at that. As time goes on and a friendship develops, there may come a time when that subject comes up. But I still don't act like I'm coming from the higher moral ground or try to hold their feet to the fire. I really take my cues from their actions. If they act like a decent human being, I treat them as such.
Quote from: Shiranu on May 25, 2015, 07:20:23 PM
If my friends are willing to pay taxes, not break any laws and keep their religion to themselves, like they do, I really have no need to get in their face and ask them to explain their religion to me. The fact that they aren't criminals, don't have any intention of being criminals, and are great people (yes, they say that has to do with their religion, and I am prone to agree) is good enough for me.
To do so would make me just as obnoxious as the theists who get in atheists faces for disagreeing with them. Believe it or not, but not all atheists are anti-theists. I personally have no desire to see religion wiped off the face of the earth, nor think the world would be significantly better (and it certainly would lose a good deal of cultural variety, which is never a good thing).
Fair enough, I think thats a very good attitude.
I just am not a fan of how Muslims attempt to either distance or divorce themselves altogether from the violence that is endorsed in their texts.
Reminds me too much of Christians.
Quote from: Cocoa Beware on May 26, 2015, 05:44:21 AM
Fair enough, I think thats a very good attitude.
I just am not a fan of how Muslims attempt to either distance or divorce themselves altogether from the violence that is endorsed in their texts.
Reminds me too much of Christians.
Let me expand on that. I, too, hate muslims--christians, jews,.........................all theists. But not really. I hate the hierarchy of each of those separate religions. The hierarchy is what seeks power and money, and will do anything and everything to gain and maintain it. That is the real evil of religion. If the hierarchies could be expunged from the pages of history, and even if the religious beliefs remained, this world would be a safer, saner place. I don't hate the people within these religions, for taken as individuals, there is the entire rainbow of types of people. Some good, some bad and most in-between. I have a personal feeling about people--they are generally good. If given a chance people will tend to do good. It takes special circumstances for people to be and do evil. Religious hierarchies can and do make people evil and bad. So, when I aim my hatred toward theists, I aim at their hierarchies. I try to take people one at a time and consider them as people first.