For forty years I've been hearing how Jesus died on the cross to save us. Saved us from what, exactly? Really, what?
Quote from: 1liesalot on April 10, 2015, 04:20:24 PM
For forty years I've been hearing how Jesus died on the cross to save us. Saved us from what, exactly? Really, what?
Good luck on getting a straight answer to that one. I have also wondered about the logic of that--and have come to realize that there is no logic--so one cannot ever get a logical answer. The best I can come up with is that he is the non-Jewish version of the Jewish scapegoat--the one that has all the villages sins heaped on it and then it is let out into the desert to die. Jesus is the new and improved scapegoat. It goes back to the ancient pagan practice of blood sacrifice.
I think it is save us from hell, which originally was separation from God. It could also be save us from death or sin. If it is save us from harm it is even dumber. Maybe it is to save us from original sin, which is as dumb as you can get. Idiots! Solitary
Well, I for one am all for it. It might provide a modicum of protection against not being saved. Better saved than sorry. Wouldn't you want to be saved, rather than thrown away? You may have done something bad without knowing it. And besides God cannot just forgive you for your sins, not without killing his son, anyway. It all seems very logical once you get used to it.
Quote from: 1liesalot on April 10, 2015, 04:20:24 PM
For forty years I've been hearing how Jesus died on the cross to save us. Saved us from what, exactly? Really, what?
According to text, Jesus died to attone for original sin that has been passed down from Adam and Eve. Although, anyone of sane mind knows all of that is complete bullshit and none of that happened.
The correct answer is that he redeemed us all from out sinful nature. The fact that sin is an invention of religion is a mere technicality. :think:
Quote from: PickelledEggs on April 10, 2015, 06:52:22 PM
According to text, Jesus died to attone for original sin that has been passed down from Adam and Eve. Although, anyone of sane mind knows all of that is complete bullshit and none of that happened.
The hilarious part about this is when you get Christians that don't take Adam and eve as literal. If they are not taken as literal, jeezus died in real life (because they all believe he was crucified - and even the reason for it) for a symbolic interpretation of sin.
This is from the Kenyon Ed. Dept.:
"Background
The importance of bloodshed in sacrifice did not originate in the Christian tradition. Sacrifice was a major part of the ancient world. The ideas of sacrifice as an atonemnt found in the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) form much of the basis for Christian conceptions of sacrifice. In the Old Testament, the God-given means of expiation was the sacrificial blood (Young 27-28). The idea of a dying God whose sacrifice results in eternal life for followers is also found in Roman mystery religions.
In its early years, Christianity struggled to distinguish itself from Judaism and mystery cults as the ‘correct’ religion. Although they took many ideas from these traditions, Christians developed a unique sacrificial tradition. The idea of sacrifice as a spiritual, self-directed act instead of the offering of animals was one such distinction. The body itself, with its links to the body of Christ, remained very important to Christians. Their forms of sacrifice focused on the bodies of its members as a living sacrifice.
The Sacrifice of Jesus
Christians understand Christ's death on the cross to be a necessary atonement for the sins of humankind. In the first generation after Jesus' death, the apostle Paul wrote: For I delivered to you first of all, what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, and that he was buried, and that he rose again on the third day. . . I Corinthians 15: 3-4. Christ 's death was the final sacrifice, which superseded the need for animal sacrifices offered in the past by the high priest: Having therefore a great high priest who has passed into the heavens, Jesus Son of God. . . because he continues forever, he has an everlasting priesthood. (Hebrews 4: 14, 7:24). Christ was both priest and sacrificial victim.
Christianity often refers to Jesus’ Passion as the "ultimate" or "perfect" sacrifice. The Christian church believed that Christ’s death occurred as the ultimate expiation of sins and that it annulled the need for sacrifices named by the Old Testament. Christians turned from the notion of animal sacrifice to self-sacrifice. The methods by which Christians presented themselves as purified of sin, then, could be understood as a form of sacrifice. Baptism, the Lords Supper (the Eucharist), and martyrdom are major traditions of Christian sacrifice. All of these acts are necessary for redemption. Using Jesus as an exemplar, Christians believed that one could only gain redemption through sacrifice. These beliefs and traditions illustrate the importance of blood in Christian spiritual cleansing."
As usual, the christian religion took an ancient practice and put their own spin on it--and this is what they came up with.
Do not be fooled or bewitched by the others here. The truth is that them damn slangy poontangs done did give up our liberties just to eat a damn apple. Say so right in the got-damn babble. SO…er…..dat is why…….er…….either that or why da damn rooster fucking wakes me up..either way dat fucker is dead in the morning few sure.
Earth 1.0 = Genesis.
Earth 2.0 = After the Fall.
Earth 3.0 = After the Flood.
Earth 4.0 = After Jesus.
If god was a software engineer he'd working for Microsoft.
Quote from: Solitary on April 10, 2015, 04:45:31 PM
I think it is save us from hell, which originally was separation from God. It could also be save us from death or sin. If it is save us from harm it is even dumber. Maybe it is to save us from original sin, which is as dumb as you can get. Idiots! Solitary
Plus another thing why did God invent original sin and death if it's something He feels people need to be saved from?
Also, why are there unicorns and dragons in the bible but no mention of extinct dinosaurs?
Jebus done save us from the sin of mastibasiaron!
(http://i.imgur.com/tft9d5m.gif)
Oops!!
Quote from: Munch on April 15, 2015, 12:57:43 PM
Jebus done save us from the sin of mastibasiaron!
(http://i.imgur.com/tft9d5m.gif)
Oops!!
This is virtual fornication. God will smite you.
Jebus dyed to save us discusting SINERS from the fiers of HELL put their by GOD to punnish us for our SINN! Praze JEBUS!!
My church never believed in original sin. He was sent to save us from the second death, A.K.A. Hell, which we have earned with our own sins.
I can say for sure, that if you truly devote your life to him, he will save you from paying taxes. Which would come in handy today, April 15 (Tax Day in the US).
Quote from: Mike Cl on April 10, 2015, 09:17:38 PM
This is from the Kenyon Ed. Dept.:
"Background
The importance of bloodshed in sacrifice did not originate in the Christian tradition. Sacrifice was a major part of the ancient world. The ideas of sacrifice as an atonemnt found in the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) form much of the basis for Christian conceptions of sacrifice. In the Old Testament, the God-given means of expiation was the sacrificial blood (Young 27-28). The idea of a dying God whose sacrifice results in eternal life for followers is also found in Roman mystery religions.
In its early years, Christianity struggled to distinguish itself from Judaism and mystery cults as the ‘correct’ religion. Although they took many ideas from these traditions, Christians developed a unique sacrificial tradition. The idea of sacrifice as a spiritual, self-directed act instead of the offering of animals was one such distinction. The body itself, with its links to the body of Christ, remained very important to Christians. Their forms of sacrifice focused on the bodies of its members as a living sacrifice.
The Sacrifice of Jesus
Christians understand Christ's death on the cross to be a necessary atonement for the sins of humankind. In the first generation after Jesus' death, the apostle Paul wrote: For I delivered to you first of all, what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, and that he was buried, and that he rose again on the third day. . . I Corinthians 15: 3-4. Christ 's death was the final sacrifice, which superseded the need for animal sacrifices offered in the past by the high priest: Having therefore a great high priest who has passed into the heavens, Jesus Son of God. . . because he continues forever, he has an everlasting priesthood. (Hebrews 4: 14, 7:24). Christ was both priest and sacrificial victim.
Christianity often refers to Jesus’ Passion as the "ultimate" or "perfect" sacrifice. The Christian church believed that Christ’s death occurred as the ultimate expiation of sins and that it annulled the need for sacrifices named by the Old Testament. Christians turned from the notion of animal sacrifice to self-sacrifice. The methods by which Christians presented themselves as purified of sin, then, could be understood as a form of sacrifice. Baptism, the Lords Supper (the Eucharist), and martyrdom are major traditions of Christian sacrifice. All of these acts are necessary for redemption. Using Jesus as an exemplar, Christians believed that one could only gain redemption through sacrifice. These beliefs and traditions illustrate the importance of blood in Christian spiritual cleansing."
As usual, the christian religion took an ancient practice and put their own spin on it--and this is what they came up with.
It drives me crazy that these idiots can't be bothered to know enough about the very deity they are trying to shove down our throats to realize the biblical God is a psychopath. Nor do they realise there are dragons in the bible and Goddamn unicorns and talking serpents. It's Harry Potter on crack.
Quote from: 1liesalot on April 26, 2015, 09:20:05 PM
It drives me crazy that these idiots can't be bothered to know enough about the very deity they are trying to shove down our throats to realize the biblical God is a psychopath. Nor do they realise there are dragons in the bible and Goddamn unicorns and talking serpents. It's Harry Potter on crack.
Amen!
I liken it to the CEO of a huge company, who makes cryptic his 'rules' and wonders why many of his employees can't follow them. And only those who manage to figure out his cryptic riddle-like rules will get a promotion. For the rest, they will be fired. Then, the CEO's son comes in and says...I will take the blame dad.
But, this comes with a catch. The catch being that all of the employees have to bow down to the CEO's son, in gratitude for saving their jobs. And if they cease to do this, they risk losing their job again.
That's one fucked up family business, wouldn't ya say? ^_^
Quote from: Deidre32 on April 26, 2015, 11:36:07 PM
I liken it to the CEO of a huge company, who makes cryptic his 'rules' and wonders why many of his employees can't follow them. And only those who manage to figure out his cryptic riddle-like rules will get a promotion. For the rest, they will be fired. Then, the CEO's son comes in and says...I will take the blame dad.
But, this comes with a catch. The catch being that all of the employees have to bow down to the CEO's son, in gratitude for saving their jobs. And if they cease to do this, they risk losing their job again.
That's one fucked up family business, wouldn't ya say? ^_^
Good analogy!
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