Its only fair this forum have the other end of the spectrum, (you know the stupid part that is religion). Censoring so would be a violation of free speech (even though I admit I am pretty fucking stupid), and prove the forum only allows one side of an argument.(despite the fact that I have only read one thread so I must be a fucking expert about this place) I'll start:
1. It gives no hope for the afterlife. (because after all, an after life after a miserable life here would certainly be a fucking improvement eh? LOLOOL)
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You say it like the afterlife is something inherently good...what if we don't want an afterlife? The idea of eternally burning in hellfire isn't an appealing one, and the idyllic paradise for some could be brain melting and terrorizing for others.
Not my thing
2. The truth hurts, unlike the delusions of many. :eyes:
Quote from: GrinningYMIR on March 26, 2015, 06:48:42 PM
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You say it like the afterlife is something inherently good...what if we don't want an afterlife? The idea of eternally burning in hellfire isn't an appealing one, and the idyllic paradise for some could be brain melting and terrorizing for others.
Not my thing
The knowledge that everything ends after death is negative for most. Sure some people may like it, but then again some people also like to be whipped, that doesn't mean it's not a bad thing.
3. The Chocolate Death cookies we hand out to all new arrivals may give you diabetes.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on March 26, 2015, 06:53:20 PM
3. The Chocolate Death cookies we hand out to all new arrivals may give you diabetes.
Trust me, I am one :eyes:
4. I don't have the benefit of not being hated by a majority of the planet for existing
Quote from: Logical One on March 26, 2015, 06:45:01 PM
Its only fair this forum have the other end of the spectrum. Censoring so would be a violation of free speech and prove the forum only allows one side of an argument. I'll start:
1. It gives no hope for the afterlife.
What afterlife? Any proof there is an afterlife???? One can hope for an afterlife without believing in a god/gods. If it is natural, it will happen. If it is supernatural, it is simply the wishful thinking of some. I do not base anything I do on an afterlife. I treat people with respect and kindness now, not because of a supposed reward after I die, but because of the reward it affords me in the here and now. Simply, the afterlife is not knowable. After I die I'll know--or not. I'll come to that then--not dwell on it now.
Quote from: Logical One on March 26, 2015, 06:45:01 PM
Its only fair this forum have the other end of the spectrum. Censoring so would be a violation of free speech and prove the forum only allows one side of an argument. I'll start:
1. It gives no hope for the afterlife.
I'm an atheists follower of Buddha's original teachings, and I'm being reincarnated as a lesbian just to piss off so many homophobic Christians. What's that say about an atheists has no hope for an after life? Most atheists know that life is like a candle flame being blown out, and he doesn't have to put up with religious nuts in hell for eternity, who for some reason think they are not going to die or go to hell if they kiss God's ass. "Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow, creeps in this petty pace from day to day, to the last syllable of recorded time, and all our yesterdays have lighted FOOLS the way to dusty death.
Out! Out! brief candle, life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his time on stage. It is a story told by an IDIOT full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." When churches or the Church censor books and movies are you saying they are violating free speech proving they only want to allow one side of the argument? Are you absolutely convinced you won't burn in hell for eternity if you are worshiping the wrong God, the originators of the Tora which became the Old Testament never had a hell. You are not speaking to the choir here. You have already committed the ORIGINAL sin, and a few mortal sins while being here. God is watching you judging us, and He will judge you! Solitary
I see your using the 'its against my free speech' bs to now tout this.
You seem to forget this is an atheist forum, made by atheists, and the only reason your still here is because, as someone else said, having an echo chamber can get a bit samey. That doesn't stop trolls from being banned.
But since we're playing this game
5: In not being an atheist, I get to spend my "eternal existence" in a make believe castle in the sky with people like Ted Cruz and Phil Robertson, while having my sexual orientation constricted forever.. oh WON'T THAT BE FUN :D
6. I don't get to enjoy being cramped up in formal clothes in a hot room listening to a guy rant about how bad of a creature I am
Quote from: Logical One on March 26, 2015, 06:45:01 PM
1. It gives no hope for the afterlife.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Neither does your religion. You are a Christian. Hail Zeus, god of all!
Quote from: Logical One on March 26, 2015, 06:45:01 PM
Its only fair this forum have the other end of the spectrum. Censoring so would be a violation of free speech and prove the forum only allows one side of an argument. I'll start:
1. It gives no hope for the afterlife.
Well fucking duh!
Quote from: Logical One on March 26, 2015, 06:50:36 PM
The knowledge that everything ends after death is negative for most. Sure some people may like it, but then again some people also like to be whipped, that doesn't mean it's not a bad thing.
Some damn fools spend the only life they get on getting ready for a second life they won't get. That's not stupid, that's beyond stupid.
:biggrin2: :lol: :rotflmao: I just love it when Christian apologists come here that think they have absolute truth when all they have is ignorance from ancient texts, and know without a doubt God loves them even though He can send them to hell in a hand basket on a whim, like he has allowed for 6,000+ years of history every person, even innocent children, that have burned alive. I think the worst part about religion is how fucking silly the whole invisible magic man in the sky is. :madu: :kidra: :cool: Solitary
Quote from: Logical One on March 26, 2015, 06:45:01 PM
Its only fair this forum have the other end of the spectrum. Censoring so would be a violation of free speech and prove the forum only allows one side of an argument. I'll start:
1. It gives no hope for the afterlife.
Ok, that's one. Your hope for an afterlife doesn't make it come true. It's just hope. If it were as easy as that, just hoping things into existence - well, there'd be so much less suffering in this world. 100 to go, if you count your first lame attempt.
Funny thing, I remember a plot point in final fantasy X, where Yuna discovers all she believed in was a lie, that it was a continuous cycle of sacrifice and death, and she made the statement she would go save people now without false hope, the one her religion made her believe.
Thats all you really have, you make some bold statements about how you don't follow the bible fully because "It was written by man and is interchangeable", but in another post you make broad statements about how you 'know' there is an afterlife, the same afterlife these same people that wrote the bible and other religions made up.
Infact its pretty hypocritical to say you think the bible holds half truths, where the ones YOU believe in are the only truths in it.
Oh by the way- the bible is fiction and Jesus never existed. Bye.
https://danielmiessler.com/writing/bible_fiction/
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
Let's not let facts get in the way of the TRUTH! The overwhelming amount of people older than six have believed in an invisible Magic Man---not female!---in the sky for thousands of year and even today. And it has always been a minority of atheist, even under six years old for thousands of years, it's logical with Logical One's spooky logic that atheists are wrong and the religious people are correct. Even little children can believe in fairy tails, only stupid atheists can't. :eek: :lol: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :madu: :kidra: :cool: Solitary
I believe cherry picking xtians will be reincarnated into cherries.. Those drab, tasteless marchiano cherries in fruit cocktail and be thrown by small children in crowded school cafeterias.
The down side as an atheist is I'll never be a small child again..
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on March 26, 2015, 08:06:47 PM
The down side as an atheist is I'll never be a small child again..
Yes, no more bed wetting, no more wishing for being able to reach the top shelf, no more being told why you can't stay up past 8pm.
I'll take childhood innocence, and raise you awe and wonder at the universe and how vast it is.
AITM, you are goddamn hilarious.
Quote from: Logical One on March 26, 2015, 06:45:01 PM
Its only fair this forum have the other end of the spectrum, (you know the stupid part that is religion). Censoring so would be a violation of free speech (even though I admit I am pretty fucking stupid), and prove the forum only allows one side of an argument.(despite the fact that I have only read one thread so I must be a fucking expert about this place) I'll start:
1. It gives no hope for the afterlife. (because after all, an after life after a miserable life here would certainly be a fucking improvement eh? LOLOOL)
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Quote from: Logical One on March 26, 2015, 06:45:01 PM
Its only fair this forum have the other end of the spectrum, (you know the stupid part that is religion). Censoring so would be a violation of free speech (even though I admit I am pretty fucking stupid), and prove the forum only allows one side of an argument.(despite the fact that I have only read one thread so I must be a fucking expert about this place) I'll start:
1. It gives no hope for the afterlife. (because after all, an after life after a miserable life here would certainly be a fucking improvement eh? LOLOOL)
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1: you are assuming freedom of speech applies everywhere.
2: you are assuming freedom of speech is also freedom from consequence
3: this IS an atheist forum... It is to be expected that the main postings about religion is how it is bullshit/fact-less brainwashing dribble... and while for the most part we are open to opposing views, it IS required that if you are bringing up your view, it is supported by empirical evidence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empirical_evidence).
Although... the majority of us oppose bigoted, human-rights crushing bullshit... which at it's core is what religions, especially Abraham religions, teach (if you've actually read the bible, you would know that it teaches those things)
4: Enjoy your short stay. You are now on borrowed time.
Well this guy is obvious troll, but I'll play along.
7. Being trusted about equally as a convicted rapist just because I don't believe in someone else's fairy tale = Lame.
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Quote from: PickelledEggs on March 26, 2015, 10:09:38 PM
4: Enjoy your short stay. You are now on borrowed time.
I've thought of how harleys hammer is like the sword of Damocles ^^
8. I have to actually do something usefull before getting a sense of accomplishment, rather than just praying.
Quote from: Logical One on March 26, 2015, 06:45:01 PM
Its only fair this forum have the other end of the spectrum, (you know the stupid part that is religion). Censoring so would be a violation of free speech (even though I admit I am pretty fucking stupid), and prove the forum only allows one side of an argument.
This is a forum for atheists. It's not a public institution. That you are even allowed there is entirely because of the good graces of extraordinarily lenient moderators, not because of free speech laws. And while I have little interest in your religious drivel, most here will welcome your comments, as they criticize them in rebuttal. But don't play the victim and act like your free speech is being compromised. Free speech doesn't mean that everyone else has to buy your bullshit, or even consider it for merit, and it doesn't mean everyone is obligated to think you're a great guy. The very fact that you come to an atheist forum to tell people about your stupid religion suggests an ulterior motive, which doesn't help your image.
Put it this way "logical one", I would not walk into a church and say to everyone there that there is no such thing or proof of God, because that is not neutral ground, it is a gathering spot for Christians to tout there make believe between each other, and I consider myself a gentleman enough to not do such things within their own institution.
So that applies same to you when coming to an atheist forum, which all you've done is step on tails and muddied the water.
In a neutral setting, like at a university, public area, place of work, you would have more open ground to do what your doing here, but if you think you have some ordained right to talk shit to atheists on an atheist forum, it's not going to get you very far.
Better question, why exactly are you on this forum? What's the aim here?
Quote from: Logical One on March 26, 2015, 06:45:01 PM
Its only fair this forum have the other end of the spectrum, (you know the stupid part that is religion). Censoring so would be a violation of free speech (even though I admit I am pretty fucking stupid), and prove the forum only allows one side of an argument.(despite the fact that I have only read one thread so I must be a fucking expert about this place) I'll start:
1. It gives no hope for the afterlife. (because after all, an after life after a miserable life here would certainly be a fucking improvement eh? LOLOOL)
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there is no guarantee of an after life that is why I only concern my self with the one life I know for a fact I have, THIS ONE! and I wouldn't say there's no hope many cultures believe there is an after life with or with out religion. SO being an atheist doesn't necessarily mean no after life. I just don't pretend to know there is one or make claims about what that life is.
Free speech only allows the right to say something, it DOES NOT guarantee you a place to do it. You might want to check your facts before looking like more of an idiot than you already do. Remember "it is best to keep your mouth shut and have people think you are stupid than to open it and remove all doubt."
Let's be nice, he or she, is a "good" Christian trying to save us from perdition, and we are bad atheists taking away his security blanket and good feelings from a belief in magic. :naughty: :biggrin2: :madu:
Quote from: Solitary on March 27, 2015, 11:14:47 AM
Let's be nice, he or she, is a "good" Christian trying to save us from perdition, and we are bad atheists taking away his security blanket and good feelings from a belief in magic. :naughty: :biggrin2: :madu:
We're also taking away his freedom of speech...
Quote from: Solitary on March 27, 2015, 11:14:47 AM
Let's be nice, he or she, is a "good" Christian trying to save us from perdition, and we are bad atheists taking away his security blanket and good feelings from a belief in magic. :naughty: :biggrin2: :madu:
This put me in mind of a recent bible reloaded episode, where Hugo brought up how when it comes to popular media on tv or in movies, whenever the subject of atheism comes up, you almost never see an example of atheists held in a positive light. Its always the same kind of plot, where a religious character is having their beliefs brought into question, and the counterpoint to this is almost always an asshole of an atheist who makes the sweet little theist doubt themselves, until the end of the story where they find god, and even convinces the atheist he was wrong.
Atheists are always written either as the antagonist to the "poor suffering oppressed theist", or they are written as a background character holding no importance to the plot. Apparently just having it that their isn't anything after you die doesn't make for good plot devices, so it always needs some kind of spiritual ascension.
This is also why movies like gods not dead are such a fucking joke, because it acts like Christians think they are the ones who are underrepresented in modern day media.
9. Atheists don't have a large voting block in the US.
Quote from: kilodelta on March 27, 2015, 01:31:32 PM
9. Atheists don't have a large voting block in the US.
ah, remember, its got to be reasons why not to be an atheist.
So it would be.. We'd get to join the majority in the voting block :D
Yeah. Being part of a majority voting block would be a benefit. I mean, a politician can gain voters by just saying something positive about gawd. Atheists would probably lose voters if they stated, "I'd like to thank those involved and not the imaginary gods people believe in."
Reasons not to be an atheist:
10. I can commit crimes and simply repent for forgiveness to feel better about the horrible things i've done.
11. I get to interperate my holy book of ideas however i want to so I can justify how I live my life.
12. I get to use my personal experice as proof for how the world works.
13. I get to belong to a large group of people who beleive the same thing I do, and even if they don't exactly beleive the same thing I still feel good about it as if they did.
14. I'm allowed to follow exactly what my parents taught to me as soon as I was born and not have to question things in life that might upset me.
15. I get to wear cool fashion accesories
16. I get to pick and choose how magic works.
This game is so easy.
Maybe it should say, One would not, instead of I.
17. I can gain support from others by saying God spoke to me.
18. I don't have to over-tax my brain cells with hard tasks like thinking.
19. I don't have to worry about how to lead my life. I just follow the commands of my guru.
20: I get to spend my sunday not having a lay in after a hard week at work, drive to the nearest church, and give it the money I earned from that week :D
21. I can fight a war and be reassured that my death would be a good thing.
22. Atheists don't get to have such an inflated sense of self-importance that they believe The allmighty creator of The universe, The perfect all knowing all-good and all-powerfull suprème ruler of all in existance, created them especially, so he could have a personal relationship, just with them.
23. I could fight a war and let God sort out the evil enemy combatants and innocent bystanders.
24. I can blow up my enemies and be rewarded in paradise with 72 virgins.
25. I have an excuse to justify my hatred of people I deem lesser.
26. I can become a priest and fuck all those cute little altar boys without fear of punishment because my employer will cover it up.
27. I get to be hungry and poor while my boss, the pope, sits on a throne of gold :D
28. Free crackers and grape juice!
29. God gets to have my foreskin :D
30. Women must obey me as a man.
31. You get to hang this on your wall.
(https://newscoma.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/jesus-elvissimmons1.jpg)
33. I get to get upset at people for saying "happy holidays."
32. I get to pretend mistakes were on purpose. (next is 34)
34. I get to ignore history and science in place of stories about talking snakes and horses that can fly to the moon.
35. As a non-atheist, I can learn about how evil and sinful feeling horny is
Quote from: Logical One on March 26, 2015, 06:45:01 PM
I'll start:
1. It gives no hope for the afterlife. (because after all, an after life after a miserable life here would certainly be a fucking improvement eh? LOLOOL)
Maybe no hope, but no fear either, as has been pointed out.
Hey, how about Easter Egg hunts? Can atheists do those? I sure hope so, it's my favorite religious ritual!
36. As a non-atheist, I could answer any challenge to my opinion by saying "I have faith."
37. As a non-atheist I could say, I know what it seems to say, but thats not what it really means, because you don't believe so you can't understand what it really means.
38. Religiotards seem less annoying
39. I can sublimate people of other cultures/races/sexes because my holy book says so.
40. I do not have to be accountable for anything because as long as I have faith in my lord and savior, jesus christ, I'm granted access in to heaven
41. I can vote Republican with a clear conscience.
42. I can help my friend cut off his penis to prevent him from sinning. Matthew 19:12
...you know, because helping is a form of love and god is love.
43. I can have my wife fill a golden cup with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries.
44. I get to attend church, where every week they pass plates of money around. I got $20 last time!
33. As a non-atheist, I can revise ancient texts to fit my worldview - essentially making God a sockpuppet for my own personal opinions - all while claiming that the ancient text is constant and immutable.
46. I can come up with a completely delusional system of wacky beliefs, doing whatever the fuck I want, and prevent myself from bring carted off to the looney bin by saying "It's my RELIGIOUS BELIEFS and they MUST be respected... because religion." And if I'm lucky, I can make millions, like Elrond Hubbard!
47. I can join the biggest book club in the world and discuss some literature without ever actually having read it.
Quote from: Logical One on March 26, 2015, 06:45:01 PM
Its only fair this forum have the other end of the spectrum, (you know the stupid part that is religion). Censoring so would be a violation of free speech (even though I admit I am pretty fucking stupid), and prove the forum only allows one side of an argument.(despite the fact that I have only read one thread so I must be a fucking expert about this place) I'll start:
1. It gives no hope for the afterlife. (because after all, an after life after a miserable life here would certainly be a fucking improvement eh? LOLOOL)
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Right from the start the first number is a outright bullshit lie about atheists being fatalistic. And to me that bullshit attitude alone is so common.
You go to an amusement park and get on a roller coaster knowing the ride will end. You go to a movie knowing it will end. You go to a music concert knowing it will end. You go to a sporting event knowing it will end.
No one cries over the death of a bacteria or cockroach. The idea of the afterlife may bring people false comfort, but it also teaches them to be willing to die over things they have no evidence for. No, you cannot stop people from thinking this, but that utopia crappy logic does cause people in large groups worldwide in our species history to murder each other over something all of them lack evidence for.
Atheists are not fatalistic for accepting reality anymore than it should scare you knowing the moon is not made of cheese.
48. I can masturbate knowing sweet jesus is watching and and almost willing to forgive me if I give 10.00 in church. (disclaimer: atheists are sick and never masturbate)
49. I can look down on others and pity them.
Quote from: Logical One on March 26, 2015, 06:45:01 PM
Its only fair this forum have the other end of the spectrum,
No thank you.
50. I can explain to people how Jesus, Moses, Muhammad, Hercules, and Harry Morgan are really the same person because of faith.
51. As a non-atheist, I can show my good nature by giving part of my income to a place where people can gather and worship god on one of their few days off
As a Catholic I can do what ever I can, lie, cheat and steal, and be forgiven so I don't feel guilty. :cool: Solitary
53. I can enjoy Kirk Cameron movies!
54. Indiana has real-estate!
Quote from: Desdinova on March 29, 2015, 12:27:38 AM
53. I can enjoy Kirk Cameron movies!
I refuse to believe that anyone can truly enjoy anything that Kirk Cameron is affiliated with.
Quote from: GrinningYMIR on March 28, 2015, 01:15:38 PM
51. As a non-atheist, I can show my good nature by giving part of my income to a place where people can gather and worship god on one of their few days off
I think this one's been said a couple of times, but still its a long list.
55. I get to wash my individuality away and become part of the hive mind.
56. I don't have to do yoga!
57. I beat the bitch cause she all stanky and shit on her week of …being in "the way."
58. I no longer have to fear fur growing on my Palm :D
59. It's best not to be an atheist because then you do not have to contend with the horror of being part of a more intellectual minority at the complete mercy of people who feel entitled to segregate people, disrupt the world's ecosystem in the name of profit, start needless wars, purposefully force people to believe they are sick (sin) and need a cure (forgiveness), and adopt the "if it feels right, then it must be right" mentality.
60. Another reason to not be an atheist is so you do not risk losing your job because a Christian business feels they can exercise their religious rights to deprive another person of their livelihood in the name of personal comfort.
61. If you are not an atheist, you can run for political office where the mindless majority will be more inclined to elect you to positions of power so long as you put on a very "Christian" front.
62. Don't want to be an atheist if you are part of a Christian family. It is not unheard of for Christians who profess their religion encourages love and tolerance to disown family members who are no longer part of the Christian faith.
63. You do not want to be an atheist if you are in a theocracy where they will kill you for not being part of the faith.
64. Very bad being an atheist if you move into a small, predominately Christian town - especially in the south. In the name of love and tolerance, your Christian neighbours will slash your tires, paint graffiti on your house, refuse service to you in the local stores, bar you from civic functions, refuse to let their kids near you, and harass you with the intention of getting you to leave town.
65. Best not be an atheist, since Christians who fail to understand critical thinking, logic, and tolerance will try to argue with you using regurgitated arguments that have been refuted for up to 100 years, employ fallacious arguments (staw man, appeal to emotion, argumentum ad populum, no true scotsman, argumentum ad hominem, argumentum ad baculum, argumentum ad ignoratium, argument ad verecundiam, appeal to pity - just to name a few), say atrocious things to you, enjoy the thought of you being tortured for all eternity, and will harass you on websites intended to be calm relaxing place away from the incessant rude behaviour of the Christian majority.
So you don't have to give your poor old grandfather who is a devout catholic a heart attack. He's now 89. And still doesn't know the truth.
Quote from: Aletheia on March 29, 2015, 12:37:27 PM64. Very bad being an atheist if you move into a small, predominately Christian town - especially in the south. In the name of love and tolerance, your Christian neighbours will slash your tires, paint graffiti on your house, refuse service to you in the local stores, bar you from civic functions, refuse to let their kids near you, and harass you with the intention of getting you to leave town.
Only if they find out. Which is actually pretty likely when you get handed religious literature, peppered with questions about which church you go to (a question which seems to be missing its perquisite), or get drawn into the latest tirade about homo jew demacrits and the coming apocalypse.
Quote from: doorknob on March 29, 2015, 12:48:32 PM
So you don't have to give your poor old grandfather who is a devout catholic a heart attack. He's now 89. And still doesn't know the truth.
Ah but isn't is said in the gospel of John verse 8:32 "the truth shall set you free". I'd say go ahead and tell,it's what the bible says.
Quote from: Munch on March 29, 2015, 12:52:58 PM
Ah but isn't is said in the gospel of John verse 8:32 "the truth shall set you free". I'd say go ahead and tell,it's what the bible says.
Sorry for the gospel but I strongly disagree. Some times it's better to let others live in blissful ignorance rather than make a poor old man who isn't going to change his belief systems now worry that his grand daughter will be going to hell. It'd probably put my grandfather in the grave if he found out I was an atheist.
even if he is a christian I still love him to pieces and I don't want to be the one to break his heart or kill him.
its ok I was using sarcasm ^^
Its more in irony then anything that the bible teaches that you should be completely honest and true, when the very concept of the truth is lost given the bible is what it is.
well guess it just proves how incorrect the gospel can be.
From a diest POV, I'd say it's harder to accept that there is order or meaning to the universe as an atheist - as in someone who positively believes no god or higher order exists.
Quote from: Ace101 on March 29, 2015, 02:14:19 PM
From a diest POV, I'd say it's harder to accept that there is order or meaning to the universe as an atheist - as in someone who positively believes no god or higher order exists.
I have never found it hard at all to accept order and meaning in the universe--biology, chemistry and physics explain the natural order of things.
Quote from: Ace101 on March 29, 2015, 02:14:19 PMFrom a diest POV, I'd say it's harder to accept that there is order or meaning to the universe as an atheist - as in someone who positively believes no god or higher order exists.
It all depends on what you mean by "order" and "meaning". If you're talking about some sort of supernatural agency, atheists are certainly going to balk at that.
Quote from: Mermaid on March 29, 2015, 02:24:24 PM
I have never found it hard at all to accept order and meaning in the universe--biology, chemistry and physics explain the natural order of things.
Mermaid, let me join you in that. In fact, the more I have thought about this, the more I find it makes much more sense and gives more 'meaning' to the universe without a god or supernatural cause. The universe creates the conditions that cause life. It is up to that life to give meaning to anything--the universe is unaware of our existence or of any meaning we give it.
Quote from: Ace101 on March 29, 2015, 02:14:19 PM
From a diest POV, I'd say it's harder to accept that there is order or meaning to the universe as an atheist - as in someone who positively believes no god or higher order exists.
yeah well that happens when your intellect settles on "magic shit did that". You should try to get your GED.
Quote from: aitm on March 29, 2015, 04:37:00 PM
yeah well that happens when your intellect settles on "magic shit did that". You should try to get your GED.
Yeah, the founders sure were stupid individuals - hah
Quote from: Ace101 on March 29, 2015, 05:44:09 PM
Yeah, the founders sure were stupid individuals - hah
not as stupid as your god who thought the sky was water and the sun revolved around the earth. LOLOL dipshit
Quote from: aitm on March 29, 2015, 05:45:53 PM
not as stupid as your god who thought the sky was water and the sun revolved around the earth. LOLOL dipshit
You don't even know what deism is? Amazing...
Deism doesn't contradict science, it only explains the origin of existence itself, everything within existence is only explained by science - the amount of dumbass replies I see is hilarious.
right I believe 66 was the last, so moving along.
67. I get to enjoy great singers like this guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tryxAwbH-kk
Quote from: Ace101 on March 29, 2015, 05:59:16 PM
Deism doesn't contradict science, it only explains the origin of existence itself, everything within existence is only explained by science - the amount of dumbass replies I see is hilarious.
Then why the creationism vs evolution debate?
68. I get to make up bullshit claims about god(s) that cannot be proven and I assume the moral high ground based on that bullshittery.
69. I get to wear MAGIC UNDERWEAR.
70. And when the underwear is worn out I get TO BURN IT.
Quote from: Ace101 on March 29, 2015, 05:59:16 PM
Deism doesn't contradict science, it only explains the origin of existence itself, everything within existence is only explained by science - the amount of dumbass replies I see is hilarious.
apparently you think conjecture is an explanation. its all fiction until you can prove otherwise.
Quote from: Ace101 on March 29, 2015, 05:59:16 PM
Deism doesn't contradict science, it only explains the origin of existence itself, everything within existence is only explained by science - the amount of dumbass replies I see is hilarious.
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Core of Deism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism)
Rejection of religions based on books that claim to contain the revealed word of God.
Rejection of religious dogma and demagogy.
Skepticism of reports of miracles, prophecies and religious "mysteries".
Constructive elements of deist thought included:
God exists and created the universe.
God gave humans the ability to reason.
Some deists used the cosmological argument for the existence of God
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Science (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science) (from Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge") is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe
In modern usage however, "science" most often refers to a way of pursuing knowledge, not only the knowledge itself.
A scientific theory is empirical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empirical_evidence),and is always open to falsification if new evidence is presented. That is, no theory is ever considered strictly certain as science accepts the concept of fallibilism. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallibilism)
The incompatibility between deism and science can be found here:
Constructive elements of deist thought included:
God exists and created the universe.
God gave humans the ability to reason.
Where is the empirical evidence to substantiate the existence of a god, and where is the evidence that clearly demonstrates that it is a God that created the universe and gave humans the ability to reason? How would you go about testing this theory? What sort of evidence are you expected to find?
Deism is nothing more than theism light. Deists have the scepticism and require empirical evidence for many things in life which led to them reject theism. However, unlike atheism, deism has a giant blind spot. Whereas they apply scientific thought to most everything else, they still hold a belief in a deity without any empirical evidence or even logic to support such an assumption.
Yes, Ace101, I think we understand deism. Just like the theists you try to separate from, you still have faith in a god that is not supported by any evidence. The foolishness is turned down by saying such a God is no longer active, but the belief is unscientific nonetheless.
71. I get to be offended when a minority does something, and I call for my political leader to make them stop doing the thing, while weeping at the suffering my majority community has to deal with from these harmful minorities
72. I can make an excuse to not go to work and if my boss complains I can accuse him of oppressing my people
73. My holy book is left to interpretation so I can make it mean what ever is convenient at the time.
74. I have a chance of being ellected as president.
(Well, i don't because i'm not american, but you know...)
75. I could shop in any shop in Indiana.
Quote from: Aletheia on March 29, 2015, 09:05:33 PM
God exists and created the universe.
That's not incompatible since it pre-dates existence itself and can't be proven or disproven by scientific laws.
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God gave humans the ability to reason.
Everything which happens within the universe (including humans developing reason) is only explainable through scientific laws, so that's also not incompatible - if "God gave it to humans" than it did so through 'cause and effect' of evolution, not 'magic'.
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Where is the empirical evidence to substantiate the existence of a god, and where is the evidence that clearly demonstrates that it is a God that created the universe and gave humans the ability to reason? How would you go about testing this theory? What sort of evidence are you expected to find?
Deism is nothing more than theism light. Deists have the scepticism and require empirical evidence for many things in life which led to them reject theism. However, unlike atheism, deism has a giant blind spot. Whereas they apply scientific thought to most everything else, they still hold a belief in a deity without any empirical evidence or even logic to support such an assumption.
Yes, Ace101, I think we understand deism. Just like the theists you try to separate from, you still have faith in a god that is not supported by any evidence. The foolishness is turned down by saying such a God is no longer active, but the belief is unscientific nonetheless.
Evidence is only required if something can be proven or disproven - which is why theism is a myth since it suggests god directly intervenes with the natural world.
But deism is just a theory about why existence itself exists. If a person hypothesizes for example that "alien life exists elsewhere in the universe", that doesn't contradict science just because there is "no scientific proof of it" - it would have to contradict some current evidence, and there's no physical evidence disproving the idea of a higher power bringing the universe into existence.
76. As a non-atheist i just might understand the reasoning behind a Chick-tract and enjoy the read, rather than having to turn to Hugo and Jake from 'the bible reloaded' for making them entertaining.
My god, chick tracts read like the ravings of a paranoid schizophrenic. They make Pat Robertson look sane in comparison.
77. If I can't make sense of the convoluted, nonsensical beliefs of my religion, I could always become an atheist.
78. It's easier to diet because daddy told me to.
:eyes:
79. I can the sacrament and pretend its JESUS!
80. I can claim that certain numbers, like 666, are eeeevvviillll
81. I can't accidentaly cut myself with occam's razor if i go nowhere near it.
82. Atheists smoke pot eat yogurt and masturbate at the same time(no seriously we smoke pot)
83. I have to give up 10% of my income so I can't spend it on drugs! Or prostitutes!
84. If I'm religious I can spend quality time yelling my at people who aren't religious!
Quote from: doorknob on April 01, 2015, 08:06:07 AM
83. I have to give up 10% of my income so I can't spend it on drugs! Or prostitutes!
Don't tell that last part to Jimmy Swaggert!!!!
"Its only fair this forum have the other end of the spectrum, (you know the stupid part that is religion). Censoring so would be a violation of free speech (even though I admit I am pretty fucking stupid), and prove the forum only allows one side of an argument.(despite the fact that I have only read one thread so I must be a fucking expert about this place)."-OP
The principle of free speech is that the government shouldn't censor speech without a compelling and urgent reason. It does not mean you can say whaterver you want on an internet forum, which is privately owned. As long as you adhere to the rules to which you agreed when you joined, you won't have any trouble.
We're getting close now.
85. I get to admire the gold covered architecture of the Vatican and churches and cathedrals knowing God had it made in his name, while remembering the dying children in Africa just didn't pray hard enough for his help.
86. As a theist, I don't have to fill out 101 reasons not to be an atheist.
87. As an atheist I can't just assume that an all-powerful God considers me to be of overwhelming importance.
88. As a theist, I get to look at anyone who isn't exactly the same as me, same skin tone, sexual identity or political belief, and offer them the chance to be just like me, or remind them they will burn forever in hell for not doing so.
89. As a theist, I can always find a circlejerk online and don't have to coexist with people with different opinions.
90. A reason not to be an atheist: People immediately assume the worst about you, and very rarely does that impression ever change.
91. Being an atheist is not for the weak, for when life comes crashing down, there isn't a belief that an all-powerful deity thinks you matter. Rather, when you are down in the dumps, you have to deal with the grim fact that you're not getting back up unless you pick yourself back up.
93. When you're an atheist, it becomes clear that your life does not have a meaningful purpose unless you give it one. When bad things happen, you have to accept them as circumstances running counter to your goals in life, instead of thinking they are all part of some meaningful plan that a supreme being has for you.
To go with recent development.
94. Being a theist means I can to protect innocent unborn fetus' from mothers who choose to kill them, because every life, even in the development stages, is precious, more precious then the mothers who made the choice.
95. As a theist, I can name my children after the son of god and be done with parenting as soon as it starts.
96 As a Theist i can totally ignore Reason and Common Sense...
97. As a theist, no one would look at me funny if I went to a church just because I was curious what pastors are saying these days.
98. I get to have special days or times of the days off to pray to my imaginary friend, while everyone else has to take my shifts.
99. I can add unique items to my military uniform... thus, I could wear a military non-uniform.
98. As a non atheist I have a whole army to back me and protest whenever I feel like I'm being mistreated by the filthy heathens.
Are we going down so that we never hit 101?
97. I can get people to treat me special based on my personal belief in gods.
98. I can screw off my whole life and then claim Jesus seconds before I die and know I'll be saved.
99. Swearing on the bible in court has some logic to it.
(Should be 100 with kilodelta's counting down. But we forgot about 92. anyways.)
99.1: I can register as a conscientious objector and have it be believable. (For some reason, conscientiously objecting to war is not enough to be a conscientious objector.)
Figuring 99.1 makes up for missing 92, here goes:
100 - I can get tax-exempt status for teaching whatever fucked-up world-view I can conceive in the name of God.
101. I get to make a list about why its better to not be an atheist
I feel we should have the op give us 101. If he's still around