great video and series, would love some comments on the below video
*removed personal link* -PickelledEggs
Why is there nothing on Christian religious wars or witch burning? Cherry picking and making random connections at its finest.
The fuel project is a Christian ministry.
http://www.thefuelproject.org/
It is likely not going to mention that most of the so-called history of christian persecution and martyrdoms didn't happen
http://www.salon.com/2013/02/24/the_myth_of_persecution_early_christians_werent_persecuted/
Christian soldiers marching us all into the abyss. :wtff: I guess you have never actually read all the bible, have you. Every atrocity done to mankind has been mentioned in the Scriptures, and condoned by God, even demanded at times, all in the name of Christianity. :wall: This is why you are being persecuted! So what you are saying, is that you and other Christians would do all the things you mentioned if you weren't Christians, right? What a lame and pompous apology for Christianity insanity. Solitary :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah:
Hey religions have been making shit up as they go since the beginning. Like Judaism not beginning as polytheism, like Mormonism isn't run by a bunch of homophobic old white men, like god loves you but kill anybody that don't wear your particular religious symbol. Fucking stupid, per usual.
Skimmed the video. "Christianity civilized the world". What a load of crock.
While it arguably did coincide with some positive changes (and some negative ones, like the violent suppression of "heretical" ideas at home and the brutal evangelism of "heathens" abroad, to say nothing of the European wars of religion), we have absolutely no idea what would have happened if Christianity had not come into power. Perhaps we would be discussing how some other religion civilized the world.
And the video promotes a strangely circular argument. Christians prohibited X. X is immoral according to a Christian POV. So, it's good that Christians prohibited it. Well, no duh if you look at it that way. But from a non-Christian POV, some of their prohibitions are much less laudable, as the LGBT community is well aware.
There are a couple really dubious claims in there, like the assertion that infanticide would've continued to the present day had Christianity not come along and abolished it.
Also, it's a bit telling that we have to go back centuries in the past in order to show Christianity as a positive influence at all.
Quote from: pauluk3 on February 01, 2015, 04:47:38 PM
great video and series, would love some comments on the below video
Hi Pauluk3! Although you smell familiar, I'm not sure we've got an introduction from you. Would you mind telling us about yourself in the intro section?
In the meantime, I will remove these links that seem like they are your own personal links. Nothing personal, it's just that it's against the rules to post personal links before a certain post count and membership duration and/or proselytize.
The video was pulled before I could view it but I think Christianity's influence on the world would be difficult, if not impossible, to calculate. Part of the challenge with assessing Christianity's influence is not knowing what religion or religions would have evolved instead. One really can't say with any certainty that without Christianity, "X" would not have happened. The situation is similar to asking what would the world be like if the Roman Empire never existed, e.g. would Roman architecture have been lost or would this style have been pervasive anyway because the design is fundamentally practical and aesthetically pleasing.
Christianity was an integral part of a stagnating power structure that lasted for hundreds of years during the dark ages.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on February 02, 2015, 06:35:20 AM
The video was pulled before I could view it but I think Christianity's influence on the world would be difficult, if not impossible, to calculate. Part of the challenge with assessing Christianity's influence is not knowing what religion or religions would have evolved instead. One really can't say with any certainty that without Christianity, "X" would not have happened. The situation is similar to asking what would the world be like if the Roman Empire never existed, e.g. would Roman architecture have been lost or would this style have been pervasive anyway because the design is fundamentally practical and aesthetically pleasing.
You missed nothing that we haven't seen before, bro. Btw, nice beard.
No need to watch a video on this. I can sum it up very nicely. "Clusterfuck".
Quote from: Desdinova on February 02, 2015, 10:26:02 AM
No need to watch a video on this. I can sum it up very nicely. "Clusterfuck".
Hey, I'm having a good morning. Any time clusterfuck and christianity come together in the same post is a good thing.
Quote from: stromboli on February 02, 2015, 10:31:42 AM
Hey, I'm having a good morning. Any time clusterfuck and christianity come together in the same post is a good thing.
Glad I could help. :lol:
Yup, changed the world. Probably for the worse.
Both videos this guy posted were from the same youtube channel and seemingly preached that Christianity changed the world for the better... Like humans were savages before it and the reason we aren't anymore is because of christianity.
I can put them back if the OP will introduce himself and convince us that he is not just spamming his youtube channel to us, because right now he seems like he is just doing unsolicited self promotion.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on February 02, 2015, 12:42:48 PM
Both videos this guy posted were from the same youtube channel and seemingly preached that Christianity changed the world for the better... Like humans were savages before it and the reason we aren't anymore is because of christianity.
I can put them back if the OP will introduce himself and convince us that he is not just spamming his youtube channel to us, because right now he seems like he is just doing unsolicited self promotion.
Funny thing, since when you look up greek and roman history, you see the progression of mankinds advancements in those times.. before christianity came along and destroyed the ancient greek culture.
And correct me if i'm wrong here, but china did pretty well in terms of its advancements though the last several thousand years without christianity even being a thought in there minds.
Yeah, but did the Chinese respect marriage or ban cannibalism? :P
Christianity did change the world. No doubt. Why did it survive it's early chaos? There were many, many mystery religions percolating in the time and area of it's birth--so why did it survive? Ultimately, it survived and prospered was because it was a perfect vehicle for mind control--Constantine realized that and used it for that purpose. Without this form of mental disease, the world would be better without a doubt; freer, less violent and kinder.
Quote from: Mike Cl on February 02, 2015, 03:10:52 PM
Christianity did change the world. No doubt. Why did it survive it's early chaos? There were many, many mystery religions percolating in the time and area of it's birth--so why did it survive? Ultimately, it survived and prospered was because it was a perfect vehicle for mind control--Constantine realized that and used it for that purpose. Without this form of mental disease, the world would be better without a doubt; freer, less violent and kinder.
Yes there is a certain evolutionary like set of circumstances in creating a durable religion. It's not like someone sits down and figures out how to control others, or how to gain power, or how to fleece the gullible. Well, they do of course, but the actual success is determine by things we cannot predict. Watch partisan pundits on political talk shows. They utter ridiculous things never knowing which absurd argument will gain traction. They fling things against the wall watching for something to stick, and when something does, it gets picked up by someone else, and suddenly half the population is believing that Obama is a Muslim and was not born in the United States.
I think it also had something to do with a polytheistic situation where you hade churches competing and believers scattered all over Rome. Going monotheistic got all the idiots trouble makers brain dead pinheads believers into one location.
For some reason fundies think the bible and the church fell to earth one day in it's present form and has been that way for 2000 years, unchanged and unchanging. The existence of christianity was in doubt for 300 years and was still not all that strong until it became the official religion of the Romans. Constantine saw how good christanity was in mind control and keeping the sheeple in line. And he made good use of it--good for his purposes.
He even sent mommy off in search of holy relics like pieces of jesus' cross. She found all kinds of stuff--and it did not matter than she was 300 years too late; I even understand that she found quite a lot of jesus' toilet paper (Charmin I think it was) and the Vatican has it locked up in it's private collection. But that is probably only a heresay, since the vatican does not believe in idol worship.
After looking at the website, the correct decision was made. Give a shit less if he returns, because it is still self promotion.
I think its very difficult to attribute any major things in the world JUST to Christianity, you could say that not as many people would have died, or that we would be much more technologically advanced (which I think we would be) but if Christianity didn't conquer the world then some other religion like Islam, or Hinduism probably would have. I think a better question is how Religion changed the world, and that answer is almost certainly for the worse. Personally I like the Terrence Mckenna video about how Christianity changed the world, he thinks that if it wasn't for Christianity that the Greek empires would have remained in power/merged with the romans, we would have skipped the dark ages, gone straight to the renaissance, the greeks would have settled in America/South America during the peak of the Myan classic civilization, those culture would have merged, and we would basically have a greco-Myan empire that dominates the world and is about 2000 years more advance than us by this time. Also there is a bunch of stuff about psychedelic drugs because you know, its Terrence Mckenna!