http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-28948946
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Arizona nine-year old in Uzi gun lesson accident
A nine year-old girl in the US has killed her shooting instructor by accident while being shown how to use a high-powered submachine gun.
The instructor was giving the girl a lesson at a shooting range in Arizona when the recoil from the automatic fire caused her to lose control of the Uzi.
Charles Vacca, 39, was shot in the head and died after being airlifted to a hospital in Las Vegas.
The girl was at the shooting range with her parents, who filmed the lesson.
The footage shows the instructor coaching her as she fires a single shot at a target at the Last Stop shooting range in White Hills, Arizona.
The Uzi then appears to be switched to automatic as the girl pulls the trigger and loses her grip of the weapon.
The video, edited and released by the Mojave County Sheriff's office, ends abruptly before the instructor is shot.
Correspondents say it is common in parts of the US for children to be taught how to use firearms.
Many firing ranges have strict safety rules on instructing children. It is not clear what age limits the range has.
'Murica.... :eek:
I think most are already asking the same question, who the fuck teaches a child how to use a gun.
I trouble teaching my nephew how to open a bottle of juice and pour it out without him spilling it, yet giving a kid a weapon used for killing?
Teaching a child to shoot a .22 is VASTLY different than trying to teach a child how to shoot a fully automatic Uzi. First the .22 is usually a rifle and has plenty for a child to grip on(in terms of stock and fore grip). Where in the uzi has none of these features and relies primarily on hand strength to hold on to the fucker. Secondly the .22 comes in children's sizes(smaller so that a child can hold onto the fuckers when firing). Uzi not so much. And finally a .22 has virtually no kick. The uzi on full auto kicks like a motherfucker.
I was taught to shoot at 9. I learned how to respect weapons, I learned how to care for them, I learned range safety. This moronic instructor sounds as if he failed to remember some basic range safety lessons, mainly never stand directly beside(or in a frontal angle of) a shooter. This is of course assuming that the little girl didn't muzzle sweep the entire range.
If only he'd been armed he could have protected himself.
Or maybe gave the girl a gun that she couldn't control.
Quote from: Moralnihilist on August 27, 2014, 08:54:56 AM
This moronic instructor sounds as if he failed to remember some basic range safety lessons, mainly never stand directly beside(or in a frontal angle of) a shooter. This is of course assuming that the little girl didn't muzzle sweep the entire range.
That's likely. You said yourself, the Uzi kicks like a motherfucker on full auto. It's likely that the Uzi knocked her back, around, or even off her feet altogether. If that happens, nowhere near the girl is a safe position. The instructor's principle mistake was giving the girl a gun she had no hope of handling.
I just think giving children a weapon is awful period. Someone could make the argument that maybe kids being trained when young teaches them to respect a weapon, but you have nothing to guarantee the child will, and by then it's to late.
Why would a little girl need to know how to shoot a full automatic weapon in the first place? :think:
Why do adults like target shooting? Same reason they like steep down hill skiing. Same reason they like skydiving. Same reason morons like Evil Kanievil(sp) stupidly like jumping buses on a motorcycle.
The difference with guns is that with that risk taking there is fare more death because of ego and the no rules climate the industry sets up.
Quote from: Solitary on August 27, 2014, 11:47:37 AM
Why would a little girl need to know how to shoot a full automatic weapon in the first place? :think:
In case she's attacked by pedoterrorists.
Quote from: Solitary on August 27, 2014, 11:47:37 AM
Why would a little girl need to know how to shoot a full automatic weapon in the first place? :think:
To fight hordes of immigrants and/or our tyrannical liberal government. Duh! Don't tread on me! Deo vindice! Habeas corpus! E Pluribis Unum!
I found a video of the incident, and the instructor was indeed standing to the side and even leaning slightly in front of her.
it does not show his death, it cuts off just before he is shot, here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/08/27/firing-range-instructor-hands-9-year-old-an-uzi-now-hes-dead/?tid=hp_mm (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/08/27/firing-range-instructor-hands-9-year-old-an-uzi-now-hes-dead/?tid=hp_mm)
Can you imagine the trauma this little girl is enduring due to this dumb ass idea to teach her to use a fully automatic weapon? She will likely be scarred for life.
There is literally zero reason for a child to be even near a loaded Uzi let alone learning to use one...
But no. "We gotta kill them there abortion doctors! Every life is precious!"
As upsetting as this is, I'm not the least bit surprised that something went wrong like this
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"Daddy, can I borrow the Uzi for a couple of hours? Me and Melissa want to go down to the playground and kill some terrorists. She's got her daddy's Mac 10, so can I take your gun?" (giggles)
Quote from: Jason78 on August 27, 2014, 01:18:19 PM
In case she's attacked by pedoterrorists.
Or pterrorists. Big flying reptiles that crashing into tall buildings.
The exact same thing happened in Massachussetts a few years ago except the kid was the one that died. There's no rational reason to let a kid shoot an Uzi. They're known for being hard to control. Give the kid a fully auto M4 or AK before an Uzi.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/father-christopher-bizilj-died-firing-uzi-urged-son/story?id=12565132
Quote from: Brian37 on August 27, 2014, 12:15:56 PM
Why do adults like target shooting? Same reason they like steep down hill skiing. Same reason they like skydiving. Same reason morons like Evil Kanievil(sp) stupidly like jumping buses on a motorcycle.
The difference with guns is that with that risk taking there is fare more death because of ego and the no rules climate the industry sets up.
I don't indulge in shooting targets, but I have skydived and did Alpine skiing. I will not ride a motorcycle on any highway, just off road.
I think the girl should have been trained on a bazooka or flamethrower. :wall: Solitary
Quote from: Brian37 on August 27, 2014, 12:15:56 PM
Why do adults like target shooting? Same reason they like steep down hill skiing. Same reason they like skydiving. Same reason morons like Evil Kanievil(sp) stupidly like jumping buses on a motorcycle.
The difference with guns is that with that risk taking there is fare more death because of ego and the no rules climate the industry sets up.
well, lets be honest here. I get what you're trying to convey, but I don't agree. Individually, I would think that jumping out of a plane or downhill skiing or cliff diving or even scuba diving is more inherently dangerous than target shooting. The kid wasn't actually "target shooting" the kid is a kid who was simply pointing a gun and pulling the trigger. There is indeed a difference. This should not be associated with "target shooting". its was a stupid idea that has now become a Darwin nominee... I am sure the dead's parents and family are just as happy about that. I really have no problem with giving a kid a gun to shoot, but I, unlike many, would hold the gun for them because...well.... I'm not completely stupid or confident in a kids ability to handle a weapon until I actually see that they can.
"Daddy, my gun teacher's head 'sploded. Was I bad?" :biggrin:
I like targeting shooting, guess I am an idiot for enjoying something you don't...
Far more likely to injure someone in a car than to shoot them, considering I never shoot when anyone is around.
I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that people are more against the whole Bullets and Burgers (http://abcnews.go.com/US/gun-range-defends-kids-shooting-automatic-weapons/story?id=25149342) fully automatic adventure for the whole family than against responsible target shooting.
Yes indeed, this thread is about kids being able to shoot an uzi, not a responsible adult at a target range. Big difference.
In a way this story is poetic. The shooting range owner didn't question for a moment the moral implication of letting a child handle a weapon used for killing.. and he got killed by said child.
You can actually see southpark making a sketch from this and they wouldn't even need to embellish anything.
I hope the kids parents feel like shit for the rest of their lives. But they won't. The little girl will, though. As a parent myself, I can't fathom the thought evem crossing my mind to let one of my kids shoot an automatic weapon. What the fuck for?
Quote from: Jmpty on August 29, 2014, 09:28:30 AM
I hope the kids parents feel like shit for the rest of their lives. But they won't. The little girl will, though. As a parent myself, I can't fathom the thought evem crossing my mind to let one of my kids shoot an automatic weapon. What the fuck for?
Exactly, whoever is so dumb to let their 9yo daughter get anywhere near an automatic weapon will probably just write this off as "Oh well, shit happens." Stupidity at its highest level.
Am I the only one who is wondering how/why the weapon got switched to automatic? Wouldn't avoiding that until you can handle single shots be part of lesson #1?
Quote from: LoriPinkAngel on August 29, 2014, 11:37:01 AM
Am I the only one who is wondering how/why the weapon got switched to automatic? Wouldn't avoiding that until you can handle single shots be part of lesson #1?
But where's the fun in that? :biggrin:
This was beyond stupid. Teaching a kid to shoot a .22 long gun is one thing. A nine year old girls shouldn't have even been learning to shoot a handgun in 9mm, much less an submachine gun (SMG). Full auto is hard for full grown men to control. That's why proper technique is to shoot short, controlled bursts. They take off on you similar to a fire hose. The barrel tends to "walk" to the left (in the direction of the instructor in this case). What happens is you pull the trigger on full auto and the SMG starts to walk on you. The natural reaction is to grip tighter which of course pulls the trigger so you end up helplessly spraying bullets till your mag runs out.
Looks from the video like she lost control as soon as she went full auto and the barrel walked up and to the left right into the instructor's face. Don't let nine year old girls play with SMG's. If you do, don't let them go full auto, if you must do that, don't give them a full,32 round magazine. This was so stupid and so predictable on so many levels.
We don't let people drive until they're 16, smoke until they're 18, or drink until they're 21. But somehow it's legal to let a 9-year-old fire an Uzi.
Quote from: Atheon on August 29, 2014, 01:24:17 PMWe don't let people drive until they're 16, smoke until they're 18, or drink until they're 21. But somehow it's legal to let a 9-year-old fire an Uzi.
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QuoteThe instructor's principle mistake was giving the girl a gun she had no hope of handling.
Probably not his choice. I've been to one of those ranges and one of the main ways they make their money is by selling the ammunition for whatever exotic guns they have for you to fire. So, if the customer chooses the Uzi and buys the ammo for it then the employee's job is to "instruct" on the proper way to use it and see to it that mommy and daddy get their money's worth. They were, after all, standing there taking a video. Probably intended to put it on Youtube to show their gun nut friends what they did.
Just a quick poll.. Who has even the slightest bit of sympathy for the stupid motherfucker after handing an automatic UZI to a 9 year old girl? Am I the only one who is a bit relieved one less stupid motherfucker is walking the earth? In a very sick way I kind of wish her parents had been standing right beside him along with the whole goddammed NRA while we're at it, but of course she would eventually run out of bullets and be branded as a mass murderer..
I do feel for the girl. There is nothing anyone anyone can do to undo the knowledge that at 9 she fatally shot and killed a man regardless of how deserving he might have or not have been to his fate.
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on August 29, 2014, 01:50:04 PMJust a quick poll.. Who has even the slightest bit of sympathy for the stupid motherfucker after handing an automatic UZI to a 9 year old girl?
*raises hand with noticeable hesitation*
Both the instructor and the gun range in general were noticeably negligent on basic gun safety (and the latter really ought to take steps so something like this won't happen again), but I really wish no one had gotten shot and I do feel bad for the guy who died because of it. If things had gone differently, this could've been a scary near-miss that he could've learned from. But unfortunately, the dead can't learn from their mistakes.
**Hesitation duly noted.. I am on the fence there because I kind of doubt the stupid motherfucker would have learned a damned thing..
APA is back! Awwwwwweeeeee yeeaaaaahhhh
Sent from your mom
Quote from: PickelledEggs on August 29, 2014, 02:34:27 PM
APA is back! Awwwwwweeeeee yeeaaaaahhhh
Sent from your mom
Thanks, but knock it off.. I left because I was pissed.. I didn't go on some long journey to the center of the earth or something.. :lol:
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on August 29, 2014, 02:39:08 PM
Thanks, but knock it off.. I left because I was pissed.. I didn't go on some long journey to the center of the earth or something.. :lol:
Who wrote that book then....
Oh yeah Jules Verne... :lol:
Sent from your mom
Yeah agreed with APA, I'm not someone that really condones violence, but having less stupid fuckers who allow children to play with guns like the NRA is nothing but a good thing for the world. Shame for his family, but maybe they shouldn't have raised him to be a dumb fuck who thinks guns are good.
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on August 29, 2014, 01:50:04 PM
Just a quick poll.. Who has even the slightest bit of sympathy for the stupid motherfucker after handing an automatic UZI to a 9 year old girl?
Raises hand without the slightest bit of hesitation. Was it poor judgement? Without question. But the man wasn't a criminal and he sure as shit didn't deserve to die for his poor judgement.
I have done my fair-share of very poor judgment activities, and I wouldn't say I necessarily deserved to die for doing them...