http://www.cbsnews.com/news/marvel-reimagines-thor-as-a-woman/
QuotePerhaps Thor's nickname should be revised to the Goddess of Thunder.
Marvel Comics announced Tuesday that one of its most popular superheroes will be re-envisioned as a woman.
"The inscription on Thor's hammer reads 'Whosoever holds this hammer, if HE be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor.' Well it's time to update that inscription," Marvel editor Wil Moss said in a statement. "The new Thor continues Marvel's proud tradition of strong female characters like Captain Marvel, Storm, Black Widow and more."
Moss wanted to make it clear to readers that the new incarnation of Thor will still be the same superhero and not a feminized off-shoot, like Batwoman.
"This new Thor isn't a temporary female substitute -- she's now the one and only Thor, and she is worthy," Moss explained.
-Nam
Prepare for the shitstorm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSLlZh9yelk
Personally I think it's time for the superhero genre to die.. Hooeywood killed it..
10 bucks says he's back in time for the Avengers 3 movie. Just free publicity for the comic book folks. Batman and Superman were supposed to be dead 'forever' too at one time.
Quote from: billhilly on July 15, 2014, 07:48:45 PM
10 bucks says he's back in time for the Avengers 3 movie. Just free publicity for the comic book folks. Batman and Superman were supposed to be dead 'forever' too at one time.
Give it time.. Batman will come out of the bat closet if he hasn't already..
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on July 15, 2014, 07:52:04 PM
Give it time.. Batman will come out of the bat closet if he hasn't already..
Him and Robin, 2gether 4ever.
-Nam
Quote from: Nam on July 15, 2014, 08:00:50 PM
Him and Robin, 2gether 4ever.
-Nam
I guess that conversion therapy does work after all.. At least in comic books.. And hooeywood..
Thor is a male. I'm not against a goddess with a hammer. That would be fine, and she could smack the Hell out of mortal men. All you have to do is invent another god. But Thor is a male. Always has been a male, so don't try to feed me bullshit.
Quote from: SGOS on July 16, 2014, 06:48:18 AM
Thor is a male. I'm not against a goddess with a hammer. That would be fine, and she could smack the Hell out of mortal men. All you have to do is invent another god. But Thor is a male. Always has been a male, so don't try to feed me bullshit.
Exactly.
Sent from your mom
I grew up with farm girls in Central Utah that came in 2 sizes:
1. Small, dainty and delightful
2. Thor the thunder god. I think I actually called one of them that. They all had last names like Rasmussen and Hansen.
Any girl that can stand flat footed and huck 80 pound hay bales all day long above head height onto a flat bed trailer definitely ain't dainty.
No.
HEY MARVEL!! GO DIE!!!
I'm all for strong female characters, but this is fucking stupid. Why don't we just make Odin a female as well and give Isis a dick?
Quote from: Shiranu on July 16, 2014, 05:26:55 PM
I'm all for strong female characters, but this is fucking stupid. Why don't we just make Odin a female as well and give Isis a dick?
Isis
isn't a chick with a dick?
The things you learn...
-Nam
I expect the porn industry or the Japanese to do this but not marvel. WTF! Feminism poisons everything!
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on July 16, 2014, 05:56:03 PM
I expect the porn industry or the Japanese to do this but not marvel. WTF! Feminism poisons everything!
Please be a joke, please be a joke, please be a joke...
While we're doing swaps.....
Lets make Catwoman a man, Zeus a girl, Underdog a cat, and Mighty Mouse a turkey.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on July 16, 2014, 09:46:42 PM
Lets make Catwoman a man
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Quote from: PickelledEggs on July 16, 2014, 09:46:42 PMZeus a girl
(http://static03.mediaite.com/themarysue/uploads/gallery/ody-c-char-designs/tumblr_mz7o04td0y1qlrd4qo5_1280.jpg)
Quote from: PickelledEggs on July 16, 2014, 09:46:42 PMUnderdog a cat
(http://www.littlestuffedbull.com/images/2013/cosmocat/cosmocat10h.jpg)
Quote from: PickelledEggs on July 16, 2014, 09:46:42 PMand Mighty Mouse a turkey.
(http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs38/f/2008/354/9/a/Souper_Turkey_by_MErnst.jpg)
Quote from: PickelledEggs on July 16, 2014, 09:46:42 PM
While we're doing swaps.....
Lets make Catwoman a man
Already been done.
(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/22749/662518-cat_man.jpg)
Former burgler who committed his crimes in a catsuit. Rule 63 catwoman or very close to it.
The thing is, it's as if they believe they created Thor, as if he didn't really exist (mythologically/fictional) before; and as if there was sexism in concern to Norse gods vs. Norse goddesses when they were pretty much equal (I believe there's actually more female gods than male gods in Norse mythology).
They're just lazy. Plenty of Norse goddesses to choose from.
-Nam
Pretty much. It's common in comics to have alternates of a character: Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2099, Spider-Woman, Spider-Girl, etc. But this is pretty ridiculous. It's especially bad because Marvel's Thor is heavily based on the Thor of Norse mythology, who is most definitely male.
Norse mythology definitely has some great women (Freya the first to come to mind, but the Valkyrie in general)... just as many of the post-judaism pagan religions did.
I never was a fan of, "This guy who was white... ALL OF THE SUDDEN HE IS BLACK!" or those little changes like that... it's a new character when you completely change who they are, so introduce them as a new character.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 17, 2014, 03:43:33 AM
Norse mythology definitely has some great women (Freya the first to come to mind, but the Valkyrie in general)... just as many of the post-judaism pagan religions did.
I never was a fan of, "This guy who was white... ALL OF THE SUDDEN HE IS BLACK!" or those little changes like that... it's a new character when you completely change who they are, so introduce them as a new character.
You know, Othello and Heathcliff, and Jesus -- they were all white dudes.
-Nam
Quote from: Shiranu on July 16, 2014, 06:51:14 PM
Please be a joke, please be a joke, please be a joke...
I shit you not. The main heirone in Fate Night Zero is the female version of King Arthur. In Lord of the G string The hobbits and aragorn are all female versions. Rule 63 fuck you so hard.
Haha. OK ok. You got me, hijiri and hydra
Sent from your mom
Thor is the god of thunder, a specific person, not a title to be passed around, even in the comic books. When a mortal has acted as Thor in the comics in the past, it was a charade. If another god or goddess passes themselves off as Thor, it would still be a charade because they're not 'really' Thor. The mythical Thor had a daughter, Thrud, who could do the job just as well without the name recognition. I suppose it could be anglicized more to make it 'sound better'.
Quote from: Mister Agenda on July 17, 2014, 12:24:32 PM
Thor is the god of thunder, a specific person, not a title to be passed around, even in the comic books. When a mortal has acted as Thor in the comics in the past, it was a charade. If another god or goddess passes themselves off as Thor, it would still be a charade because they're not 'really' Thor. The mythical Thor had a daughter, Thrud, who could do the job just as well without the name recognition. I suppose it could be anglicized more to make it 'sound better'.
They couldn't do a Thrud, because...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrud_the_Barbarian
I mean, technically they could but even I remember this comic.
-Nam
Apparently, Thor is still a guy, he just can't wield his hammer. A woman is stepping in for his role in some weird plot twist. I'm actually ok with it if that's the case.
Sent from your mom
Okay, so it's not a new Thor that's going to be a female, it's just a female doing his job. That's more acceptable.
Art work (and a random woman) for the new Thor... looks pretty fucking bad ass.
(http://d3dsacqprgcsqh.cloudfront.net/photo/a09A3vn_700b.jpg)
Still, they shoulda just used a Valkyrie.
http://io9.com/marvels-new-thor-is-a-woman-1605307213
QuoteMarvel's press release quotes writer Jason Aaron as saying: "This is not She-Thor. This is not Lady Thor. This is not Thorita. This is Thor. This is the Thor of the Marvel Universe. But it's unlike any Thor we've ever seen before." The press release also says that whoever is worthy to hold the hammer gets to have the name Thor, so this really is Thor.
-Nam
Quote from: Nam on July 17, 2014, 02:34:36 PM
http://io9.com/marvels-new-thor-is-a-woman-1605307213
-Nam
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Quotethe former male Thor, who is no longer worthy to wield Mjolnir.
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Marvel...
Just...
Ugh...
Fuck...
THIS JUST IN!!!
WOLVERINE WILL BECOME A SOMOAN TRANSGENDERED ATHEIST:
http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2014/07/marvel_comics_reveals_new_wolv.php
QuoteShe goes by "James Howlett" at the gay bars
New York -- After recent announcements that by 2015 Thor will be a woman, Captain America will be an African American, and Iron Man will move to San Francisco and redesign his armor to look like an Apple device, Marvel Comics issued a stunning new announcement about its most popular character this week.
"Beginning next year, Wolverine will -- once he comes back to life -- be a transgender Samoan atheist whose bones are made out of 100 percent recycled metal," said Marvel's Executive Editor Tom Brevoort. "S/he will dedicate ze's awesome mutant powers to the fight against microaggression."
This, Marvel Editor Will Moss said, "isn't a gimmick. This isn't a temporary twist or a replacement 'trans-Asian-athiest' Wolverine. This is the real Wolverine, just the way fans have always loved zhim: a complex anti-hero who won't rest until all of America composts."
The move has been controversial. Outraged fans flooded Marvel's Facebook page after the announcement, declaring that it just didn't make any sense for the immortal mutant samurai/berserker with unbreakable metal bonded to his skeleton to be a Pacific Islander.
"How is that rational?" asked comic blogger Sam Duggins. "To take a tightly conceived character like that, with no plot holes, and just change his ethnicity, makes the whole thing seem highly improbable."
"Stop making all these continuity changes!" agreed fan Bob Brusk, on Facebook. "Only Dr. Strange, should have that kind of awesome power."
Marvel comics fan Eliot Smith "liked" that comment, and added that while Dr. Strange would have the ability to alter Wolverine's gender identity, he never would. "That's what a moral code means," Smith said. "With great power comes great responsibility.
For Marvel to just change its characters like that as part of some misguided 'diversity' agenda -- it make me think they never learned the moral lesson of being bitten by a radioactive spider."
But not all comic lovers agreed. According to San Francisco comic store owner Todd Baily, Marvel recently revealed that Dr. Strange received his doctorate from an unaccredited university, and therefore isn't able to perform gender re-assignment magic.
That's right, said Joe Quesada, Marvel's chief Creative Officer. "We felt there was a need to reach out to people who didn't attend accredited collages," Quesada explained. "There are millions of Americans attending shitty for-profit colleges, and they're completely unrepresented in comic books. We hope Dr. Strange can represent them as he struggles to get a job with the Fantastic Four but can't even get them to look at his resume because he went to an online school."
That's good enough for Baily. "I don't understand why we're even arguing," Baily said. "What's important is that a whole new generation of young people are being introduced to beloved comic book characters who have withstood the test of time: like Autistic Daredevil, Professor STEM, and Samuel L. Jackson."
Quesada agreed that this is a lot of fuss about nothing. "Jesus Christ, people. It's just a gimmick. It's not like we're hiring minority writers."
I hear Wonder Woman's really a hotdog.
-Nam
I think you all are taking this way too seriously. I think it's awesome. Assuming they just changed Thor's gender as you all thought before, I think that's awesome too. Either works. I think it's great for young kids. Especially young girls who have no huge superhero in the Avengers. You're all getting worked up over Thor being a woman? Really? It's not stupid in any way. It's a fucking comic book, and in the comic world shit can change. I take it you guys are crazy mad when they change the race of a hero or would go crazy if they made Wolverine gay. Oh god.
The problem is that comic books keep messing with their established characters that we have grown to love in completely asspull ways, such that they reveal that the only thing the corporate creators are after is money. Marvel is doing this to Thor to boost sales. Not to tell more interesting stories, not to develop their character, to boost sales. It shows a crass disregard for both the character and us, and it shows their creative bankruptcy when they mess with characters in this way.
Yes, profit is always the motive behind corporate creativity, but they could at least hide it better.
Quote from: Notthesun on July 23, 2014, 06:14:12 AM
I think you all are taking this way too seriously. I think it's awesome. Assuming they just changed Thor's gender as you all thought before, I think that's awesome too. Either works. I think it's great for young kids. Especially young girls who have no huge superhero in the Avengers. You're all getting worked up over Thor being a woman? Really? It's not stupid in any way. It's a fucking comic book, and in the comic world shit can change. I take it you guys are crazy mad when they change the race of a hero or would go crazy if they made Wolverine gay. Oh god.
I don't really read comics. In saying that, Thor has been a guy for quite awhile, probably since the second century.
Granted Marvel's Thor is loosely based on the Norse Thor but the Marvel Thor's been around more than 50 years, and there are many Norse goddesses to choose from; why not Freya?
-Nam
So long as they don't fuck with Deadpool
While they're at it, could they make Scott Summers gay or at least bisexual? It'd be amazing if they did. After all this time with Jean Grey and Emma, he finally realized that deep inside he's longing for a guy's embrace. :P
Quote from: Notthesun on July 23, 2014, 06:14:12 AM
I think you all are taking this way too seriously. I think it's awesome. Assuming they just changed Thor's gender as you all thought before, I think that's awesome too. Either works. I think it's great for young kids. Especially young girls who have no huge superhero in the Avengers. You're all getting worked up over Thor being a woman? Really? It's not stupid in any way. It's a fucking comic book, and in the comic world shit can change. I take it you guys are crazy mad when they change the race of a hero or would go crazy if they made Wolverine gay. Oh god.
It's stupid in one way: Thor is the dude's first name. If he got changed into a woman her name would still be Thor. You don't get someone's actual name when you get their powers, that doesn't even make sense. Black Captain America? No problem, Captain America is the name of the 'superhero identity'. You become the superhero, you get the name. But Sam Wilson doesn't get to start calling himself Steve because he's swinging the shield. No issue with the woman having the hammer, the power, or starring in the Thor comic, but she simply isn't Thor.
The problem with Wolverine suddenly being gay is that it violates his history and character. He's not the kinda guy who would be in the closet about being gay. He might be bisexual leaning towards women but occasionally swinging the other way, I suppose.
Quote from: Moralnihilist on July 23, 2014, 07:53:53 AM
So long as they don't fuck with Deadpool
I did read somewhere that minor characters, like Deadpool (minor in the sense that they aren't center stage) will become eunuchs of some sort, tranvestites, and pedopheliac priests/nuns.
Just kidding.
:smile:
-Nam
Quote from: Notthesun on July 23, 2014, 06:14:12 AMI think you all are taking this way too seriously. I think it's awesome.
This is not an "awesome" development, this an incredibly lazy way of introducing a "new" character. Instead of actually coming up with a unique female hero (or adapting one of the many shield maidens from Norse lore to comic format), they just rule 63 an existing character, apparently turning the guy's name into a title in the process. Oh, and to make room for her, they took the titular hero - a guy who has saved the world dozens of times - and made him no longer worthy to hold the weapon that he was practically born to wield. Dafuq.
To eat up this sort of bottom-of-the-barrel creativity is to praise a turd.
QuoteI think it's great for young kids. Especially young girls who have no huge superhero in the Avengers.
Except for the Wasp, Scarlet Witch, Ms Marvel, Black Widow, She-Hulk, Invisible Woman, Spider-Woman, Storm, or Rogue. All were Avengers at some point in time.
QuoteYou're all getting worked up over Thor being a woman? Really? It's not stupid in any way. It's a fucking comic book, and in the comic world shit can change.
*sigh* Everyone already knows that and no one's actually against change because it's change. But if you're going to change things, do it in a way that makes at least a little sense. Bare minimum. That's all people are asking.
Quote from: StupidWiz on July 23, 2014, 08:41:20 AMSo long as they don't fuck with Deadpool
He's cured of cancer, converts to Buddhism, and renounces his mercenary life and jokey personality. To give the Buddhist audience someone to look up to or some shit. And if his fans don't like it, tough. It's a comic book and stuff can change. Duh!
(http://www.janetcharltonshollywood.com/images/2013/11/1471241_6162840617thorcut.jpg)
Maybe marvel is trying to self destruct? Maybe this is them trying to leave a dent in disneys profit margin?
Either way, I'm glad I stopped reading comics.
I actually saw one theory I was okay with, that once her role as Thor is done, if the character is popular will stick around as her own hero. This is a good way to introduce a new female hero in such a way that people will actually pay attention. If thats what it takes to get a new hero some attention until they can build some likability on their own I am actually kinda okay with it.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on July 16, 2014, 05:56:03 PM
I expect the porn industry or the Japanese to do this but not marvel. WTF! Feminism poisons everything!
It's not feminism. It's tokenism.
Kind of like when DC made Mr Terrific black.
Remember Mr Terrific?
Exactly.
Thor may be a bit more high profile, but that just means this is temporary. You bitches got to have Thor for a bit, so stop your whining.
There has to be a reason why this sudden breakdown of altering the most popular marvel characters to become 'PC friendly' versions of themselves is happening.
I know disney took marvel into his claws lately, but I dunno if its because of that, or some other crackhead now in charge.
At least DC remains safe, for now.
Quote from: Shiranu on August 10, 2014, 02:52:41 PMI actually saw one theory I was okay with, that once her role as Thor is done, if the character is popular will stick around as her own hero. This is a good way to introduce a new female hero in such a way that people will actually pay attention. If thats what it takes to get a new hero some attention until they can build some likability on their own I am actually kinda okay with it.
I'd be okay with her if they introduced her as a distinct character (not Lady Thor, but her actual persona) had her pal around with Thor for a while, and then something happens to Thor to knock him out of commission and she takes over the Thor comic for a while and then gets a spinoff comic.
Quote from: Munch on August 10, 2014, 02:59:24 PMI know disney took marvel into his claws lately, but I dunno if its because of that, or some other crackhead now in charge.
Ever see One More Day? Or any of the Ultimate comics? Crackheads galore. And it's been that way for quite some time now.
Quote...and then something happens to Thor to knock him out of commission and she takes over the Thor comic for a while and then gets a spinoff comic.
This is more or less how I think it's suppose to be going down, I just wish like you said they had introduced her (at least, more than it seems like they have... but perhaps they will give her more story before she just jumps into the role of Thor) before she jumps in.
It's more the thought of some stranger taking Thor's role that annoys me than anything else.
Quote from: Shiranu on August 11, 2014, 12:55:20 AMIt's more the thought of some stranger taking Thor's role that annoys me than anything else.
Yeah. Me too. You know that character you love? Well, too bad, he's gone. Here's your new Thor, she's a lady now! Ta-Da!
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 11, 2014, 01:59:49 AM
Yeah. Me too. You know that character you love? Well, too bad, he's gone. Here's your new Thor, she's a lady now! Ta-Da!
But that's the thing that pisses me off the most, the arrogance of the writer, saying to us 'this is not girl thor, this is not some alternate take on thor or a joke, this IS thor' as in telling us, the loyal fans to forget the decades of character development like it's something they can cast off without regret.
And now it looks like they are going to do the same with wolverine, never mind his vast and complex story through the years, you know forget that shit, here's a new wolverine that IS wolverine because they tell us it is.
Fuck these guys, fuck their selling out to Disney, and fuck their 'pc friendly' character redesigns.
Quote from: the_antithesis on August 10, 2014, 02:57:50 PM
It's not feminism. It's tokenism.
Kind of like when DC made Mr Terrific black.
Remember Mr Terrific?
Exactly.
Thor may be a bit more high profile, but that just means this is temporary. You bitches got to have Thor for a bit, so stop your whining.
Hey, the new Mr. Terrific is one of my favorite superheroes! He got screwed over by the writers and artists when they took him solo (hey guys, this character is starting to get popular, let's change everything about him).
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 11, 2014, 12:48:09 AM
I'd be okay with her if they introduced her as a distinct character (not Lady Thor, but her actual persona) had her pal around with Thor for a while, and then something happens to Thor to knock him out of commission and she takes over the Thor comic for a while and then gets a spinoff comic.
Yeah, she can take over the comic for awhile without taking over the character's name for awhile.
marvels lucky, in that they took norse mythology into its own and made it into its own following without upsetting any religious folks over it, seen as how Norse belief stopped being respected hundreds of years ago. If there were still people who saw the norse gods with the same faith based dogma that christianity does, they'd be in so much trouble over this now.
Imagine marvel trying to use Jesus or Mohammad as token characters, the cities bombings would increase.
Quote from: Munch on August 11, 2014, 01:03:41 PMImagine marvel trying to use Jesus or Mohammad as token characters, the cities bombings would increase.
National Lampoon's Son-o-God series:
(http://images.dangerousminds.net/uploads/images/sonofgod3sdsfsfsfsf.jpg)
No Muhammad though, at least not in superhero comics.
I Reeeeeally want to know the reaction that comic had on release.
(http://scotteriology.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/god-comics.jpg)
oh dear.. that could either make Christians cry, or make them think gods an action hero.