The staff have decided to setup a public ban log.
This is where they will be posted with username and reason.
I banned Robert04330 because he had deleted over 10 topics during a short period in which my permission settings were incorrect in the jacuzzi group.
His ban is permanent
Frosty has been banned for 14 days for not complying to a moderator directive (1 week ban) and for sending a mate of him over here to troll the forum (1 week more).
Split the topic after Nam's post. This topic is only for ban announcements and will be accessible by mods and admins only.
Members are welcome to post their comments and suggestions in the "Staff Bans/Logs - Suggestions" thread.
IKnowTheTruth8874 (http://atheistforums.com/index.php?action=profile;u=27069)
Abusive proselytizer
I don't mind letting you guys have a chewtoy, in fact I think it is good. But this guy was nothing but abusive. Probably a Frosty sock, he did claim Frosty sent him.
Extended Frosty's ban by one more week for sending here a troll to annoy us.
EDIT: Frosty's ban is now permanent. You'd think people would learn...
Banned ineedmyqueen/phattmatt/whateverhisface for... well, for being himself, really.
Banned drunkenshoe123 for being another Frosty sockpuppet.
Frosty, creating one sockpuppet after another to spam this forum is stupid. Trying to besmirch a respectable former member is outright cowardly.
Banned PopeADope II/PopeADope/Matt for not complying to a mod's directive sent via PM and for sending unsolicited personal information via PM.
had a feeling that was him...
Banned GaysAreSinnersIndeed for being Frosty behaving as Frosty.
And what an absurd username... just putting my two cents in there.
Banned CEmy for being a sock puppet... also banned his ip address.
But none of you saw that because I banned him before he even posted :-) (I double checked the ip address and found his ip matching some of our other banned accounts)
http://atheistforums.com/index.php?action=profile;u=27082
He matched the following accounts : WStack, MCasanova, L1429, RFullerto, CEmy
Banned CHallstro: Spammer
Banned motherof3: Obvious troll is obvious
Banned used usedcolostomybagsalesman: per confirmation from moderator at AF.org -- this guy is a matt sock puppet
Banned TFrost -- http://atheistforums.com/index.php?action=profile;area=summary;u=27092
Reason: Google searched his email address and here's the results
[lmgtfy]hoperfrances@yahoo.com[/lmgtfy]
Banned SQuiros, reason: spammer.
Banned RBoelter and B2199. Spammers again.
EDIT: ZMcLean has been automatically banned as it shared the same IP as B2199.
Aaaand... AYXI has fallen victim of the banhammer before posting spam.
(At this rate, I'll soon need a new hammer...)
Banned: oxygen inventor and horribleusername
I believe these are socks playing with us... I've left up the posts and will delete them shortly. You all can hopefully see WHY they were banned.
Banned UIsabelle, just another (wannabe) spammer.
Banned Rationality: fake email... Proxy server... Troll
Nam got a two day ban for name calling, rules violation and failure to observe a moderator directive.
Banned Oxygen Inventor, Napoean, and corn for sockpuppeting
And a huge thanks from me for getting rid of Napoleon.
Wait... I thought this thread was locked... lol
Gave Nam his second ban for name calling; rules violation; failing to observe a mod's directive; flaming other members, including mods
Ban will not expire this time.
Zarus tathra: two days holiday for being arrogant, condescending and not following a moderators' directive.
Just dumped Mozart Link in to purgatory along with all of his threads he started, which are about the same thing... more or less.
Banned rottenbanana and catholic crusader
Banned zooma for being a sockpuppet of zarus tathra.
Oh now Zarus wouldn't try to sneak back in under a sockish name.. You're just pulling our socks down.. :lol:
Banned zarus tathra because he requested for a full ban via PM
Banned Mugatu because... well zarus, you little imbecile, you know why!
Banned Akumathon aka zarus the dimwit.
What? No more totally irrelevant and meaningless gory pictures sent free to my pm inbox? It's outrageous!
I got rid of lyeman. Anyone who suggests they would post pics of severed heads can go the fuck somewhere else.
Banned VonRottenmeyer because... well zarus, you little imbecile, you know why.
Banned alqoholic because of popular vote.... and obviously because he was a phattmatt sock
SGanguly got baned for being a poorly written bot that spammed the chatbox
Banned Starbuckscoffe for being a Mainethinker sock.
Banning Starbuckscoffee inadvertently banned mainethinker ... you know... because they are the same people... :lol: not complaining, just a heads up to the people still trying to talk to him in purgatory (I'm looking at you, Desdinova haha)
Banned emily because she was a sock and troll (long awaited... I know...)
Applied a full ban to Witness
Reason logged: nuisance/troll/failed to follow rules
AtheistMarxist sent to the troll cage for being a sock for mainethinker. Full ban is on it's way.
Edit: full ban applied
Full ban on SonicFan for posting more incoherent rants.
Banned winterland78 (http://atheistforums.com/index.php?action=profile;u=27817) as he was going on a preaching spree
Reason: Asserting religious beliefs on the forum
Qchan, what? You didn't see that coming?
Qchan, we hardly knew ye.
Quote from: aitm on March 20, 2015, 09:00:50 AM
Qchan, what? You didn't see that coming?
What was the thread where the hammer finally came down? I want to make a copy and frame it.
Yours... http://atheistforums.com/index.php?topic=7318.msg1065311#msg1065311
I has correctly identified another one.
Yes you did. Thank God! :eek: :pidu:
KingRB97 is banned for posting persistant nonsense and proselytizing creationist bullshit
some idjit named godisgood, moved thread to HOR
Banned undulationer for spamming the site with wall-sized posts of the exact same bullshit. (thank you for notifying me, strom and sorry that took so long...)
Banned lategreatplanet for trolling with nonsense posts and his hefty "you will stand before the moral ruler" opening post
Radthad was banned. Radthaddeus is his sock and ban is pending. (currently in purgatory along with his 3 posts in the thread he made)
Edit: Full ban on Radthadd, RadThaddeus, and emperorthad
Tossed this in the HOR. Did not ban the twit but assume he will be back.
http://atheistforums.com/index.php?topic=8505.0
ChristianMama banned for drive-by-trolling (http://atheistforums.com/index.php?topic=10113.msg1133326#msg1133326).
lol "drive-by" trolling, love it.
Banned God-is-Love and moved his useless, spammy, proselytizing threads to Hall Of Records for the mods.
@Harassed has been banned for spamming that Mennonite drug cartel thread and whatever that link was... as well as the attachments he keeps posting.
If anyone spots something I missed, like a post of his with a link or attachment, please do a report to moderator so I can modify it out. Can't have that on the forum.
Thank you guys in advance!!
Deleted the accounts of Jiaogen and it's sock Laizao and removed their spammy Chinese football jersey sales posts.
Banned Dirch0150.
Drich was banned from this forum in 2012. If we had realized that when he created his most recent account he would not have been allowed a second account.
Quote from: PopeyesPappy on July 22, 2017, 09:22:52 PM
Banned Dirch0150.
Drich was banned from this forum in 2012. If we had realized that when he created his most recent account he would not have been allowed a second account.
Wow! I just might go out a adopt a greyhound. :))
Dirch! Banned on a technicality.
No newer bannings?
Was Jonathan banned? I haven't seen his Bible-thumping posts lately.
Quote from: Unbeliever on April 07, 2019, 05:59:14 PM
Was Jonathan banned? I haven't seen his Bible-thumping posts lately.
Was Jonathan his username? There are no members listed by that name.
Yeah, he was here for a while spewing Bible crap, like this:
Quote from: Jonathan on April 05, 2019, 08:59:38 PM
It’s God the Father, Jesus Christ his only begotten Son, and the Holy Ghost. When God went down to talk with Abraham, it was three that visited. Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Psa 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance,â€. This was God the Father speaking to Jesus
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yeah 28 biblical verses was enough for me.
I'm still wondering why he doesn't show up on the members list?
well I tossed him but don't know why he doesn't show up as banned.
Quote from: aitm on April 08, 2019, 07:11:53 AM
well I tossed him but don't know why he doesn't show up as banned.
Holey Ghost???
Quote from: Cavebear on April 07, 2019, 12:14:46 PM
No newer bannings?
No doubt you hope for a wider Stalinist purge ;-)
https://youtu.be/Y0cF2piwjYQ (https://youtu.be/Y0cF2piwjYQ)
So... Did pr126 get banned or something of the likes?
His profile seems tampered with and he hasn't been online in well over a month.
http://atheistforums.com/index.p...u=8670
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on April 28, 2019, 06:11:33 PM
So... Did pr126 get banned or something of the likes?
His profile seems tampered with and he hasn't been online in well over a month.
http://atheistforums.com/index.p...u=8670
His profile doesn't exist anymore.
What gives?
Curiouser and curiouser.
It wasn't gone when I mentioned it last night. Just altered.
well, I haven't done anything...
PR's isn't the first profile of someone who got banned to disappear lately. Not sure what is going on.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on April 28, 2019, 06:11:33 PM
So... Did pr126 get banned or something of the likes?
His profile seems tampered with and he hasn't been online in well over a month.
http://atheistforums.com/index.p...u=8670 (http://atheistforums.com/index.p...u=8670)
He was suspended/banned about a month and a week ago, though I wasn't given the reasons why. My guess is because of his consistently posting outright false articles or at best heavily distorted pieces to justify legitimate bigotry.
This may come as a shock, but I do feel that was perhaps a bit harsh... but I also don't think he would have learned a lesson with a suspension either, assuming it was because that. So in the long run it might have just been to save everyone some time and frustration. And lets be honest; he had been getting away with that for a very long time which also likely factored into it.
I frankly don't know what the "right" answer to his situation would have been, though like I said I think a temporary suspension may have been more appropriate (if likely ineffective and would have simply led to a perm-ban later on). As for what happened to his account, I'm not sure about that either. It is a bit weird it dissapeared right after he was brought up.
Quote from: PopeyesPappy on April 29, 2019, 07:13:33 AM
PR's isn't the first profile of someone who got banned to disappear lately. Not sure what is going on.
But then who altered it to link to nambla and the likes? And why? And, not to be a hassle, but seemingly a lot of us didn't even know he was banned. Baruch., drunkenshoe, pickelledeggs (if I understand correctly), shouldn't it have been mentioned here as well.
I'm not saying there was an overabundance of love for him, but if nothing else, he was a long time member. I hope such a thing would be properly communicated.
Sorry if I am missing anything.
pr was banned weeks ago because he continuously trolls and provokes.
People that have done less than him, have been banned, simply because they were new. Honestly, it's been a long time coming. Pr abused his seniority on this site by being a constant thorn in all of our sides (with exception to 2 or 3 of you members).
That said. NO ONE is allowed a deletion. (other than new accounts that do those spam posts, linking to things) The account stays. Always. The posts. The private messages. All of it. That is the rule. We are currently looking in to why everything having to do with pr has vanished off of the forum, but this is not our doing. It could be a glitch or something that pr did himself.
As for communicating it on here, we have been slacking on that. It is a good idea to keep up with this thread and updating you on who has been banned and why, though sometimes we forget. It was not me who activated a ban on pr, but even I have forgotten to post in here with previous bans.
Just remember though, this thread is (relatively) new compared to the site as a courtesy to you guys.
@Mr.Obvious do you know when his account was altered/deleted? This could help wolf, naru, and I restoring it and also figuring out what happened
or anyone else, for that matter
If there is no audit trail on changes to user accounts, specifically, then he could have modified his own profile, but I don't see how that could have resulted in removal from the member list (unless it glitched when he modified it (say deleting his email address)).
Quote from: PickelledEggs on April 29, 2019, 11:39:06 AM
@Mr.Obvious do you know when his account was altered/deleted? This could help wolf, naru, and I restoring it and also figuring out what happened
I don't know when it was altered, but I remember asking about it in the shoutbox a week or two ago, when I'd noticed it. I got no response and forgot about it for a while.
It was deleted hours after I posted the link in the shoutbox last night (my local time, maybe 20 hours ago) to show drunkenshoe and Baruch. It was still there when I posted the link in this tread, but was deleted before Sal1981 made his post.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on April 29, 2019, 12:08:20 PM
I don't know when it was altered, but I remember asking about it in the shoutbox a week or two ago, when I'd noticed it. I got no response and forgot about it for a while.
It was deleted hours after I posted the link in the shoutbox last night (my local time, maybe 20 hours ago) to show drunkenshoe and Baruch. It was still there when I posted the link in this tread, but was deleted before Sal1981 made his post.
This information should help a lot, actually. Thanks
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He was banned, he just didn't show up in normal member searches. We found him
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on April 29, 2019, 08:15:13 AM
But then who altered it to link to nambla and the likes? And why?
That was me, and for my own amusement. While I did not make the decision to ban him alone, I did decide to fuck with him on his way out the door. The truth is, pr26 was an asshat who long had it coming.
Quote from: _Xenu_ on April 29, 2019, 03:44:53 PM
That was me, and for my own amusement.
Not my cup of tea, to say it gently.
Banning is one thing. A necessary thing. Finding any enjoyment in the matter, is something else.
I suspect the Langoliers.
Quote from: _Xenu_ on April 29, 2019, 03:44:53 PM
That was me, and for my own amusement. While I did not make the decision to ban him alone, I did decide to fuck with him on his way out the door. The truth is, pr26 was an asshat who long had it coming.
And how on earth you thought this was OK? Banning a member is not something you can turn into personal amusement. If you don't get that you shouldn't be moderating. Have you ever seen any mods and admins doing anything like this? You think they couldn't have?
E: Have you two even got into a row or smt? It seems to me you have done something like this, because he wouldn't be able to give any response or change it.
The below explanation is the exact reason why
pr is banned. Everyone knows that. It's not something personal. Pickel has warned him repeatedly for a long time and he was perfectly aware of what was going on. The fact that 'he had it coming' is not some sort of a justification; a free pass to do something like this. It's ugly.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on April 29, 2019, 11:22:46 AM
pr was banned weeks ago because he continuously trolls and provokes.
People that have done less than him, have been banned, simply because they were new. Honestly, it's been a long time coming. Pr abused his seniority on this site by being a constant thorn in all of our sides (with exception to 2 or 3 of you members).
I don't think xenu was taking anything personal from pr, from my understanding at least...
I think he was just frustrated with him, like pretty much all of us were
Quote from: PickelledEggs on April 29, 2019, 10:00:43 PM
I don't think xenu was taking anything personal from pr, from my understanding at least...
I think he was just frustrated with him, like pretty much all of us were
It would be justice to un-vandalize his account, even if he stays banned. Otherwise this looks anarchist.
Quote from: Baruch on April 29, 2019, 10:07:29 PM
It would be justice to un-vandalize his account, even if he stays banned. Otherwise this looks anarchist.
Im not even sure what was changed lol
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Quote from: PickelledEggs on April 29, 2019, 10:09:19 PM
Im not even sure what was changed lol
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The prior database copy found earlier would show.
Quote from: Baruch on April 29, 2019, 10:14:08 PM
The prior database copy found earlier would show.
I wish it was that easy.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on April 29, 2019, 10:09:19 PM
Im not even sure what was changed lol
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I remember what it was changed to. Not from, alas..
E:
To:Personal text: 2 stupid 2 live
age: 128
signature: a link to nambla
location: mother's basement
profile pic: a communist flag
Xenu made a perfectly justified ban personal by changing pr's profile, under the forum's name. A profile is what a member writes by himself, a record he leaves behind in any case. Xenu did that, because he can't acess to it anymore and get back. That's the whole point. It's an abuse of power and a petty one at that.
It makes the forum look like as a place that could hold grudge against a member in moderation level. There is no such thing. If that was the case, he would have been banned years ago. He was one of the oldest members of this forum and he was tolerated. pr has been a member of this forum more than a decade, if memory serves right.
Nambla is the North American Man/Boy Love Association; a pedophilia and pederasty advocacy organization in the United States. This is not just something highly offensive and abhorrent to most people in most societies, it is also illegal. I don't care about why the existence of such a society is legal, or if it still exists, it is besides the point. pr is NOT a pedopihile, needlessly to say. And this actually victimises him in some way.
Most of the regulars have been frustrated by pr for a long time. But Pickel, I think you would be the person frustrated/annoyed by him the most, esp. considering you have moderated this forum all by yourself for some time, when it was more crowded and more agressive, without any experience when you started. It can't be easy. I don't remember you abusing your power, esp. nothing like this. And that should be the way. There were times, more than a few people got into long rows every week. I probably took half your time, occasionally.
The Soviet Union flag, mom's basement, or age: 128 or to 2 stupid 2 live... could look 'funny' written on a post; you could call someone a cunt, an asshole, a moron, a bitch, stupid, retarded; tell them to go fuck themselves...etc when you are triggered or mad in a conversation, but no, this is not something like that. This is not OK. And it is not about pr.
I also remembered that I have written a message about Xenu back when he was first considered for the staff. To Pickel or to POP I guess, don't remember. I know you guys don't have much choice and you need people; you need solutions.
Anyway, I'd appreciate if senior, experienced admins pay more attention to mods and their actions. This is a safe place for all of us. We have been here for a long time.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on April 29, 2019, 05:34:03 PM
And how on earth you thought this was OK? Banning a member is not something you can turn into personal amusement. If you don't get that you shouldn't be moderating. Have you ever seen any mods and admins doing anything like this? You think they couldn't have?
I shouldn't have done that, I was frustrated and I will delete what I changed. Having said that, Kimmie used to do stuff every time she banned someone and I never heard a complaint about it. However, some things should stay in the past and I will not do anything similar in the future. My apologies to anyone offended by my actions. I will fix the profile, but the ban will not be lifted.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on April 30, 2019, 02:20:39 AM
I remember what it was changed to. Not from, alas..
E:
To:
Personal text: 2 stupid 2 live
age: 128
signature: a link to nambla
location: mother's basement
profile pic: a communist flag
Oh man. For some reason I thought he had that on there as a way to mock people in the weird way he did lol
I can remove that when I get home
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I think I took care of most of the offensive stuff.
Quote from: _Xenu_ on April 30, 2019, 09:32:09 AM
I shouldn't have done that, I was frustrated and I will delete what I changed. Having said that, Kimmie used to do stuff every time she banned someone and I never heard a complaint about it. However, some things should stay in the past and I will not do anything similar in the future. My apologies to anyone offended by my actions. I will fix the profile, but the ban will not be lifted.
Thank you. I'm not questioning the ban. My posts are clear. I have mentioned more than once that it is a justified ban. It's not a decision you made by yourself either. So your remark about 'ban lift' is completely unnecessary. This has nothing to do with the ban or actually even
pr126.
I'm guessing what Kimmie did was putting notes like 'proselytizing cunt', 'fucking something... sock puppet' or something like that into somewhere about the reason for ban. Yes, it is not nice. But again, it is not an excuse and no, it is not the same.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on April 30, 2019, 11:43:15 AM
Thank you. I'm not questioning the ban. My posts are clear. I have mentioned more than once that it is a justified ban. It's not a decision you made by yourself either. So your remark about 'ban lift' is completely unnecessary. This has nothing to do with the ban or actually even pr126.
I'm guessing what Kimmie did was putting notes like 'proselytizing cunt', 'fucking something... sock puppet' or something like that into somewhere about the reason for ban. Yes, it is not nice. But again, it is not an excuse and no, it is not the same.
I was concerned with the implicit tie in with illegal behavior (pedophilia) ... we have to be careful having any link like that, particularly a real one, what can be picked up by the web spiders and fed to the authorities. The mock tie in with communism is ironic, but not illegal at least in the US.
Quote from: Baruch on April 30, 2019, 11:56:26 AM
I was concerned with the implicit tie in with illegal behavior (pedophilia) ... we have to be careful having any link like that, particularly a real one, what can be picked up by the web spiders and fed to the authorities.
Yeah, possible. You could easily sue for something like that in where I live and get a good result.
QuoteThe mock tie in with communism is ironic, but not illegal at least in the US.
Let's say, not yet. :pp
Quote from: drunkenshoe on April 30, 2019, 11:43:15 AM
My posts are clear.
They usually aren't, actually. You write whole college-format essays to make a singular point and whatever you are saying many times gets lost in the sea of words.
Just a heads up, but you might want to learn how to be more concise.
.....................and we're off......
Quote from: PickelledEggs on April 30, 2019, 12:45:02 PM
They usually aren't, actually. You write whole college-format essays to make a singular point and whatever you are saying many times gets lost in the sea of words.
Just a heads up, but you might want to learn how to be more concise.
Really? I wasn't aware. I certainly did not write any essays like this in the univ. That would be bad for me. On the contrary, I always try to use a simple, dumb English so I wouldn't make a mess. May be that is the problem. Can you give an example, what is not clear? It could help.
Is there anything in my posts that would suggest I demand a ban lift? No. That at least must be clear. On the contrary, I keep saying the person in question was repeatedly warned, but continued to do the same thing. And that it went on for a long time. In my first post, I quoted your post with "this is why he was banned". Not to mention the post I wrote to him in the thread he was banned. So yes, it is clear.
After all that, when Xenu says, 'but the ban won't be lifted' as an answer to me in this conversation for something he can't even decide by himself, that is fishing for another point, as if this whole thing has anything to do with pr's ban. It's not. Again, something I have already pointed out before.
Is this clear? Honest question, not being sarcastic.
I think this is my case and point
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Quote from: aitm on April 30, 2019, 02:16:09 PM
.....................and we're off......
What now? I am a nice girl. I am using the broom.
Don't you think it is normal that I have problems with the language? It's my second language and I haven't even stayed in an English spoken country more than a month. I'm bound to make tons of mistakes. You told me that my posts are not clear and I tried to make it clear, that is all. And it was honest. I wasn't being sarcastic.
Shoezy, please move on like everyone else. You are fixated on the last half of a sentence of an apology I wrote while mostly ignoring the actual apology. I know you are not arguing against PRs ban and never were. Yes, it was wrong of me to mess with the profile. I will not do it again. But please, move on. It's over and done. You have made your point. For what it's worth though, your English is quite good. I don't think PE is telling you there's anything wrong with it, just suggesting a bit of brevity.
Quote from: _Xenu_ on April 30, 2019, 02:54:34 PM
Shoezy, please move on like everyone else. You are fixated on the last half of a sentence of an apology I wrote while mostly ignoring the actual apology. I know you are not arguing against PRs ban and never were. Yes, it was wrong of me to mess with the profile. I will not do it again. But please, move on. It's over and done. You have made your point. For what it's worth though, your English is quite good. I don't think PE is telling you there's anything wrong with it, just suggesting a bit of brevity.
LOL, I have moved on. I just found that remark odd before and really thought that I was asked to make it clear afterwards, when Pickel said that and managed to get misunderstood in between.
QuoteMy guess is because of his consistently posting outright false articles or at best heavily distorted pieces to justify legitimate bigotry.
Those would be good charges to impeach Trump!
Quote from: Minimalist on May 01, 2019, 08:06:31 PM
Those would be good charges to impeach Trump!
If I had the power, I would ban trump from the country
Quote from: PickelledEggs on May 01, 2019, 11:46:33 PM
If I had the power, I would ban trump from the country
Ironically enough, that actually would get it closer to being great.
Wherever you send him to, don't forget to build a huge wall around him ;)
Quote from: Minimalist on May 01, 2019, 08:06:31 PM
Those would be good charges to impeach Trump!
Unlike the usual W Coast style hippies.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on May 02, 2019, 12:03:15 AM
Wherever you send him to, don't forget to build a huge wall around him ;)
What are your thoughts on strapped to the side of a rocket aimed for the middle of outer space
Quote from: PickelledEggs on May 02, 2019, 08:51:57 PM
What are your thoughts on strapped to the side of a rocket aimed for the middle of outer space
Starvation is a worse way to go.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on May 03, 2019, 01:01:10 AM
Starvation is a worse way to go.
How about blast him into space with a suit with just the smallest of ccracks?
Quote from: Shiranu on May 03, 2019, 01:06:58 AM
How about blast him into space with a suit with just the smallest of ccracks?
If he is blasted in to outer space in nothing but a space suit, he would starve to death, in the middle of an abyss.
Alone.
With no one to hear his cries for help.
Now we are getting somewhere.
You should give him audio too, a looping 20 hours of his campaign speeches.
Though he might be the one person in the world to like that, actually.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on May 03, 2019, 01:44:05 AM
Now we are getting somewhere.
You should give him audio too, a looping 20 hours of his campaign speeches.
Though he might be the one person in the world to like that, actually.
How about a reading of the Qu'ran by a transexual?
Edit - With special insights presented by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez!
Quote from: Shiranu on May 03, 2019, 02:42:37 AM
How about a reading of the Qu'ran by a transexual?
Edit - With special insights presented by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez!
Make him listen to tapes of him saying the opposite of what he is saying today?
Morgan hilarious was a sock account in association with another new account, Morgoth_ascending and also an older (also banned account) "Your dude james"
No one will miss Morgan_hilarious
Gregory is taking a small vacation for annoying me. 2wks. Then you can come back....or not.
So this is the string where the moderators show how immoderate they are ;-)
More likely the "string" that proves how wonderfully moderate and patient we are.
Quote from: aitm on March 19, 2020, 09:56:15 AM
Gregory is taking a small vacation for annoying me. 2wks. Then you can come back....or not.
I suspect he is a bot.
or a troll
I discussed it with the rest of the mods. We came to the decision that we will permanently banning Baruch for continued trolling and unnecessarily stirring the pot, etc.
It's been a long time coming.
Good, now maybe we can get more people to post, at least until Trollboy comes back as a sock puppet.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 07, 2021, 09:10:00 PM
I discussed it with the rest of the mods. We came to the decision that we will permanently banning Baruch for continued trolling and unnecessarily stirring the pot, etc.
It's been a long time coming.
Good, I was concerned that he would be coming back. Baruch's compliance with mods has always been temporary, but right after a warning he tests the waters and begins pushing the envelope until he ends up right where he was before the last warning.
But he's not just a nuisance. I believe he intentionally degrades the forum and enjoys doing it for his own satisfaction. I often wonder how many interested atheists have looked through a page of topics and left without bothering to sign up, thinking this was a one man operation, where the forum owner responds to everything, and if he has nothing to say, he calls everyone a communist, and then goes onto the next topic.
Imagine if you came to this forum to check it out. You wouldn't even notice the intelligence, because every thread is dominated by a bitter misanthrope that wouldn't be allowed to post anywhere else. I stay because I was here before Baruch, and liked the group. But I wouldn't have waded through a week of Baruch to bother finding the good.
I've seen a lot of would be troublemakers "get the axe," and my response has always been, "Yeah, he deserved that." But with Baruch, it is an pleasurable relief to have him out of here, and I believe the forum will be a lot better off for it.
I've had him on ignore for almost a year, but even that wasn't satisfactory, because his posts would show up as quotes when someone (less and less toward the end) would respond to one of his outlandish assertions. The ignore function doesn't actually get rid of his presence. There were all these lingering ghost images I'd have to avoid, like I was walking through a minefield of stupidity and bitterness.
Quote from: SGOS on January 08, 2021, 09:11:09 AM
Good, I was concerned that he would be coming back. Baruch's compliance with mods has always been temporary, but right after a warning he tests the waters and begins pushing the envelope until he ends up right where he was before the last warning.
But he's not just a nuisance. I believe he intentionally degrades the forum and enjoys doing it for his own satisfaction. I often wonder how many interested atheists have looked through a page of topics and left without bothering to sign up, thinking this was a one man operation, where the forum owner responds to everything, and if he has nothing to say, he calls everyone a communist, and then goes onto the next topic.
Imagine if you came to this forum to check it out. You wouldn't even notice the intelligence, because every thread is dominated by a bitter misanthrope that wouldn't be allowed to post anywhere else. I stay because I was here before Baruch, and liked the group. But I wouldn't have waded through a week of Baruch to bother finding the good.
I've seen a lot of would be troublemakers "get the axe," and my response has always been, "Yeah, he deserved that." But with Baruch, it is an pleasurable relief to have him out of here, and I believe the forum will be a lot better off for it.
I've had him on ignore for almost a year, but even that wasn't satisfactory, because his posts would show up as quotes when someone (less and less toward the end) would respond to one of his outlandish assertions. The ignore function doesn't actually get rid of his presence. There were all these lingering ghost images I'd have to avoid, like I was walking through a minefield of stupidity and bitterness.
I'm gonna step out of mod-mode for a sec and say that I hated Baruch. Especially as a mod, I hated him. I've noticed myself, as well have to glaze past every single one of his posts, ignoring them, even though technically, as a mod, I shouldnt be ignoring posts.
ok, back to mod-mode
The tricky thing I, and other mods here had to consider is "Do we silence a voice?" "He's barely breaking any rules." Etc. the line was muddied, because he was so methodical in, like you said, pushing the envelope. Prodding at boundaries was his specialty. And the fact that he successfully got us all to ignore him, including us mods, proves that he was due for ban.
Thank you all for supporting this decision. Banning long time members is never an easy decision, even when it is someone as agitating to deal with, as Baruch was.
We will be less tolerant of people like him, that attempt to make our boundaries more ambiguous than they are meant to be. Rules are rules and when someone slightly breaks or bends a rule once or twice, that is fine. We're all human, after all. However, when someone does it constantly, it adds up, and action will be taken.
Quote from: SGOS on January 08, 2021, 09:11:09 AM
Imagine if you came to this forum to check it out. You wouldn't even notice the intelligence, because every thread is dominated by a bitter misanthrope that wouldn't be allowed to post anywhere else.
Frankly, he was posting so much, I thought the forum was basically dead except for him talking to himself. Regardless of content, no one wants a one man show in an internet forum.
Quote from: the_antithesis on January 08, 2021, 10:49:17 AM
Frankly, he was posting so much, I thought the forum was basically dead except for him talking to himself. Regardless of content, no one wants a one man show in an internet forum.
That became especially evident when one opens "Recent Topics" heading to find an interesting topic, and sees that the last poster for each topic is always the same person. Usually, I didn't even open them to see if maybe someone else had posted just before Baruch. If I was really bored, I might open some of them, often to find that the last 8 posts were all from Baruch, and no one had posted there for the last four days.
I used to regard him as almost a champion of ancient religion history. He does have a great depth of knowledge. But for the past 2/3 years he seems to be going downhill, much like trump. He ended up simply being inane. He is now only a bitter old man whose only intent is to irritate. Good riddance.
Will not be missed.
I never pushed for him to be banned. Because frankly, as has been said, he didn't really break many rules. So I never felt I had any reason to cast a voice to his mere presence. I never blocked him, because that went against my personal code. And I never hated him, because there never was enough room next to the overwhelming sense of pity.
But he clearly had, in my view at least, not a single shred of interest in holding a discussion , debate or any meaningful interaction. And not because he had a different opinion than most here. Not because he had a different voice.
But because he had no opinion. Only a perogative to counter.
And because he used no voice, only sounds: only uttering unhinged words that meant as little as he intended to.
And not because he did not respect ideas. Not all ideas deserve respect. But because he did not respect even the concept of conversations.
He never listened or he did his best to pretend he didn't. He went out of his way to muddle any discussion he could find. And when locked in a talk, did his utter best to rob it of any and all meaning. And I've never seen such an obsession to deploy smokescreens and red herrings. I imagine him thinking himself a dumb man putting up a show of being a smart one. But as for me, by default, I can not see any brains of note in a man that does not even understand what a conversation even is.
I disagree that he went downhill. He has always been exactly what he has been the last few months. I never once thought he had anything clever to say. Only a passion to say nothing in as many words possible. To not hear and to not be heard in kind.
In any case, his, what definitely looked like, attempt to get himself banned finally worked. Maybe he is happy about that. Maybe he is not.
I won't pretend to know. I won't pretend to care.
And I won't sully any more words.
He wouldn't listen to them anyway.
Exactly what I feel. Almost word for word.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on January 08, 2021, 11:56:55 AM
Will not be missed.
I never pushed for him to be banned. Because frankly, as has been said, he didn't really break many rules. So I never felt I had any reason to cast a voice to his mere presence. I never blocked him, because that went against my personal code. And I never hated him, because there never was enough room next to the overwhelming sense of pity.
I was a day away from leaving forever. The entire front page was his posts.
Quote from: SGOS on January 08, 2021, 11:33:30 AM
That became especially evident when one opens "Recent Topics" heading to find an interesting topic, and sees that the last poster for each topic is always the same person. Usually, I didn't even open them to see if maybe someone else had posted just before Baruch. If I was really bored, I might open some of them, often to find that the last 8 posts were all from Baruch, and no one had posted there for the last four days.
That's a large reason I haven't looked at very many threads; a mix of having to go back 2 pages of his posts to find someone else talking, and knowing that likely the only person that would respond to my post would be Baruch.
Most forums, including this one, have a "no spam" rule for precisely this reason. It's disruptive and it drives regular posters to post much less or consider leaving the forum.
There's a big difference between an especially active member posting a lot in one day and someone who's basically just babbling like a lunatic to no one in particular for pages and pages to the annoyance of everyone else. I dunno about everyone else, but I interpret that as spam. Imho, that sort of repeated behavior should be addressed with a warning, then a time out, then a permaban.
Baruch's ban was a long time coming for a disruptive poster who never changed his ways long after people told him that his behavior was annoying and - for lack of a better word - noisy.
The Big B needed attention and being obnoxious will get it.
He can go post at parler.com, where he'll be welcome with open legs - since those people like to be fucked over.
When Baruch was newer I found him funny and occasionally insightful. I'm not sure if it was due to my own changing views or if he just went downhill (or some combination thereof), but he was just downright insufferable for the past year or two.
Yes, he wasn't bad a first. Somewhere along the line, he was rebuffed a couple of times (like that's never happened to anyone here before), but somewhere around then, I remember him matter of fact-ly pointing out that he was smarter than anyone else on the forum. I didn't respond, and I don't remember anyone else respond either. I don't remember anyone taking an entrance exam when they joined, but that was an unusually odd and pointless thing for him to say, and then he got stranger, pointlessly annoying, and very very destructive. He did have a large knowledge base of rote memory. Almost like an encyclopedia.
My guess is depression caused by retirement. I confronted him about this twice, could be more...more than a year ago, not sure exactly when. The feeling of uselessness and loss of value of some sort affects people badly, usually they get out of it in short time...which by the way, I think is right down imbecilic as a whole. It looks more like a man thing to me, so probably it is also generational more than just old age. Recently, I even thought he might be taking some sort of an amfetamine supplies with anti-depressants, considering his manic behaviour. Just guesses and opinions.
Thank fuck, I don't see any of you younger lot falling into that in the future. :rockout:
Well it’s a done deal. Not much use going on about it. I’ll simply say it was a wonderful magnificent brain that simply dissolved before my eyes. Sorry to see it go but relieved to see it go.
Quote from: aitm on January 08, 2021, 09:51:30 PM
Well it’s a done deal. Not much use going on about it. I’ll simply say it was a wonderful magnificent brain that simply dissolved before my eyes. Sorry to see it go but relieved to see it go.
That's how I see it--experienced it. I had a history with him on various boards (a history of about 15 yrs. or so) and he was a fount of knowledge and sharp viewpoints about a number of topics, especially about the history of christian and jewish history. I asked him to join this forum and he seemed to enjoy it. And like aitm, he seemed to simply melt into some sort of depression. I am very glad to see him gone.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 08, 2021, 08:48:13 PM
My guess is depression caused by retirement. I confronted him about this twice, could be more...more than a year ago, not sure exactly when. The feeling of uselessness and loss of value of some sort affects people badly, usually they get out of it in short time...which by the way, I think is right down imbecilic as a whole. It looks more like a man thing to me, so probably it is also generational more than just old age. Recently, I even thought he might be taking some sort of an amfetamine supplies with anti-depressants, considering his manic behaviour. Just guesses and opinions.
Is he Norman Boutin?
Quote from: the_antithesis on January 09, 2021, 12:50:34 AM
Is he Norman Boutin?
LOL, I had to look that up. No, nothing like that.
Now what am I going to do with a Masters in Baruchistani?
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 09, 2021, 04:14:31 AM
LOL, I had to look that up. No, nothing like that.
Norman had been on here peddling his book. You can probably imagine how that went.
I checked and, unfortunately, the posts were lost in some database purge or whatever. Pity.
I remember Baruch being an...interesting person when I joined. I rarely understood a word of what he said, but he was knowledgeable on matters of religion. I always considered him as sort of an odd ball, but I liked him. It was sad seeing him change. I don't know exactly what happened, but he just became consumed by whataboutism in politics, and he felt the need to respond to every post (probably in part because of his retirement). And if he didn't have something to reply to, he'd just post on his own, with several pages in a row of a thread just being his ramblings. Just look at the thread "The Frailty of Democracy." (http://atheistforums.com/index.php?topic=14041.90) He basically made that thread his home. I stopped opening the thread, because I knew nobody else was posting in it. He turned into a real pain in the ass.
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 09, 2021, 01:31:29 PM
if he didn't have something to reply to, he'd just post on his own, with several pages in a row of a thread just being his ramblings. Just look at the thread "The Frailty of Democracy." (http://atheistforums.com/index.php?topic=14041.90) He basically made that thread his home. I stopped opening the thread, because I knew nobody else was posting in it. He turned into a real pain in the ass.
That was my thread and I stopped opening it too.
Let the dead past bury it's dead. I, for one, will visit here more than once a day now. Or I'll send Rosencrantz and Guildenstern. They were very effect on their last mission.
Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead?
A truly wonderful movie!
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 09, 2021, 05:15:47 PM
Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead?
A truly wonderful movie!
Never seen it.
It's with Gary Oldman, who's always worth watching.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 09, 2021, 06:13:21 PM
Never seen it.
Please do? It was one of my cult movies as a kid. You'll like it. I mean as a big kid,lol. Not as a child.
I enjoyed Baruch when he wasn't spamming the forum with unlinked "headlines", assigning me to positions I never supported or wishing people harm. I respect his knowledge of history and philosophy.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on January 27, 2021, 07:24:41 AM
I enjoyed Baruch when he wasn't spamming the forum with unlinked "headlines", assigning me to positions I never supported or wishing people harm. I respect his knowledge of history and philosophy.
The problem was that it was a rare post when he wasn't spamming, trolling, posting out of context, or from right wing conspiracy outlets. If he ever said anything that wasn't an attempt to annoy, I may have missed it.
I was 1/2 a step away from leaving here. Thanks to the enforcers, I no longer clench my teeth when I click on the link.
Yeah, kinda my fault. I kept hoping he could return to his old self but he just went further into bat shit crazy. Finally the other guys said enough. So...sorry for the pain I put y’all through.
Well, it didn't kill us, so it made us stronger...
I don't feel stronger, but I am enjoying threads that are allowed to evolve on their own without being sidetracked by Baruch's irrelevant issues.
When he first joined he shared his knowledge and insights with us and they were sane, deep and interesting. And that was his tone for many years. Then things slowly changed and he turned into this trump-like rager. He offered nothing positive to this board. I think he had very negative reaction to his retirement and move to New Mexico. Emotionally he seemed a mess and was determined to make this board pay for 'it'--whatever it was. I very much enjoyed and respected him until the last year or two, when he became unreadable. The board feels much different with him gone and I am enjoying his absence.
I was ready to walk, and leave him to his personal toy. I wasn't happy with that but coming here seemed pointless. Thanks for fix that.
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 30, 2021, 09:28:06 AM
When he first joined he shared his knowledge and insights with us and they were sane, deep and interesting. And that was his tone for many years. Then things slowly changed and he turned into this trump-like rager. He offered nothing positive to this board. I think he had very negative reaction to his retirement and move to New Mexico. Emotionally he seemed a mess and was determined to make this board pay for 'it'--whatever it was. I very much enjoyed and respected him until the last year or two, when he became unreadable. The board feels much different with him gone and I am enjoying his absence.
I think they
sounded sane and insightful at first, but the more we heard it, the more we started to pick up on the bullshit. I fell for it, too, at first.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 31, 2021, 10:30:18 AM
I think they sounded sane and insightful at first, but the more we heard it, the more we started to pick up on the bullshit. I fell for it, too, at first.
I would agree with you, but I had a 10/15 year history with him on a couple of forums prior to him coming here. He was never unhinged as he was here. He was a totally different person then.
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 31, 2021, 11:18:31 AM
I would agree with you, but I had a 10/15 year history with him on a couple of forums prior to him coming here. He was never unhinged as he was here. He was a totally different person then.
I never knew him before he showed up here, but like you, I don't think he was trying to fool us at first. I think, something happened to him. I don't know what it was, but as I recall, he changed during his first year. I've only seen this kind of transformation one other time with another person, and in both cases, I explained it to myself in layman's terms: "Somebody went crazy." People don't flip out that fast and go in a completely different direction without some major malfunction in their psyche.
Quote from: SGOS on January 31, 2021, 12:25:08 PM
I never knew him before he showed up here, but like you, I don't think he was trying to fool us at first. I think, something happened to him. I don't know what it was, but as I recall, he changed during his first year. I've only seen this kind of transformation one other time with another person, and in both cases, I explained it to myself in layman's terms: "Somebody went crazy." People don't flip out that fast and go in a completely different direction without some major malfunction in their psyche.
That's pretty close to how I view it. He went all trumpy on us.
We’ve spent way too much time talking about this guy....in my opinion. Shall we move on?
We spend too much time talking about a lot of things. I'm not sure why it's an issue here. I'm sure that the issue will eventually die on it's own like all the other issues of this nature. I think it's probably almost dead now. It is being discussed less and less. It will eventually melt away. And everyone will be OK.
Don't worry. I'll be sure to bump the topic in approximately six months to force it back into relevancy again. lol
:sgood: August 1st then.
Yeah, really! We finally got rid of the guy, let's move on. He was almost entertaining for a while, but now he's just passe. I do hope he's well, and will continue so. I fear for his sanity, and hope he can get some help with that. But we simply can no longer act as his therapists.
Hammered saylee for spamming the same shit across multiple forums.
I'm hugely glad we have someone to keep the place sane (or at least not too insane...).
Thanks Olive Oil's beau's progenitor!