I believe in God and creation. I understand that atheist do not. There is no way for me to prove that God exist. A belief is just a choice. I choose to believe in it. Why do atheist choose to believe there isn't a God?
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 02:12:34 AM
I believe in God and creation. I understand that atheist do not. There is no way for me to prove that God exist. A belief is just a choice. I choose to believe in it. Why do atheist choose to believe there isn't a God?
Lack of evidence.
Because there isn't.
In fact. Let me bounce that question right back atcha'
Since there is zero evidence for any god, why do you choose to believe in one?
I like the fact that you asked that. Honestly, I choose to believe in God because of personal experiences and simply for hope.
Without God there is no afterlife and this life is pointless. I just don't personally believe that we would be here if there was no point.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 02:22:47 AM
I like the fact that you asked that. Honestly, I choose to believe in God because of personal experiences and simply for hope.
Without God there is no afterlife and this life is pointless. I just don't personally believe that we would be here if there was no point.
If this life is pointless then why don't you kill yourself?
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 02:22:47 AM
Without God there is no afterlife and this life is pointless. I just don't personally believe that we would be here if there was no point.
Who says there needs to be a point?
BTW If you are going to bible thump, be ready to become this month's chew toy.
There is no afterlife, this is the only life we've got.
Oh trust me, I'm not going to Bible thump. That's not what I'm here for. Stromboli, the reason I don't kill myself is because I believe that is a sin and I have no desire to be dead...I enjoy life. Wouldn't that be a better question to ask you atheist though?
Do you guys fear death?
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 02:33:15 AM
Oh trust me, I'm not going to Bible thump. That's not what I'm here for. Stromboli, the reason I don't kill myself is because I believe that is a sin and I have no desire to be dead...I enjoy life. Wouldn't that be a better question to ask you atheist though?
Do you guys fear death?
Are you asking if we fear dieing? or being dead?
Edit: No to both.
So why do you choose to believe in something you have no reason to believe?
Were you indoctrinated to believe it? or do you just enjoy self-delusion and willful ignorance and decided to brainwash yourself?
I had no reason to believe that the USA would advance to the round of 16, but I did. I was happy when they did too!
But seriously, why is what I believe in ignorant?
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 02:22:47 AM
I like the fact that you asked that. Honestly, I choose to believe in God because of personal experiences and simply for hope.
Without God there is no afterlife and this life is pointless. I just don't personally believe that we would be here if there was no point.
If life is pointless without an afterlife, wouldn't the afterlife be pointless without an after-afterlife? And wouldn't
that be pointless without an after-after-afterlife? And wouldn't that... etc.
Sorry for the confusion, I completely understand what you are saying. Christians as well most other religious groups believe the "afterlife" is eternal. There are some exceptions and different varieties (some believe you just keep living as a different person or animal over and over again) but for the most part the "afterlife" is an eternal concept.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 02:42:15 AM
But seriously, why is what I believe in ignorant?
It's ignorant because it's based on nothing but speculation.
It's willful ignorance because you are choosing it.
I completely agree with you. I wouldn't consider it ignorant though unless you consider atheism ignorant as well.
How are you sure that God doesn't exist?
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 02:51:57 AM
I completely agree with you. I wouldn't consider it ignorant though unless you consider atheism ignorant as well.
How are you sure that God doesn't exist?
I am only sure of the things that can be tested and repeated in nature through a scientific process.
That means I don't claim what cannot be proven.
As to your question, Which god are you referring to? Please narrow it down so I can answer it accordingly
I am referring to the God that creationist believe created the universe.
Also, I have not claimed anything to be a fact. I am simply sharing what I believe in. I'm not trying to force anything on you.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 02:59:38 AM
I am referring to the God that creationist believe created the universe.
Also, I have not claimed anything to be a fact. I am simply sharing what I believe in. I'm not trying to force anything on you.
So Yahweh?
If you are referring to the Christian god from the old and new testament, Yahweh, I am no less than 100% sure that he doesn't exist.
Well it isn't for sure that he doesn't though. It's not a provable fact that he does or doesn't you have to choose.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 02:12:34 AM
I believe in God and creation. I understand that atheist do not. There is no way for me to prove that God exist. A belief is just a choice. I choose to believe in it. Why do atheist choose to believe there isn't a God?
You say there is no way for you to prove your god exists. If there is a god but I can't sense it, understand it or communicate with it then why should I believe? Why should I even think about it?
Well how about this. Yahweh made Adam and eve about 6000 years ago, according to the faith that claims his existence.
Evolution is a provable claim that met it's burden of proof with tons of overwhelming evidence. It very bluntly contradicts the claim of creationism.
If Yahweh's debut act was creating everything in the universe in 7 days and just one scientific discovery can contradict it, think about when you throw in all the other discoveries?
eg: the vastness of outer space, the spherical shape of our earth, the realization that incest will harbor horrible genetic mutations (I'm talking about Adam, Eve, Cain, and Able)
There are trees living today that are older than the model of the world creationists believe in.
Maybe it is possible to prove that something doesn't exist, depending on what is is. :lol:
Where is all the proof of evolution? Didn't Darwin himself say that his theory is absurd when it comes to complexity of our bodies and world? I'm not here to throw the Bible in anyone's face, but I am here to make you realize that atheist have no right to claim their belief as 100% fact than do Christians.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on June 29, 2014, 03:36:07 AM
You say there is no way for you to prove your god exists. If there is a god but I can't sense it, understand it or communicate with it then why should I believe? Why should I even think about it?
The reason why you should think about it is because, let's just say God is real and there is an afterlife.
You can't prove to me that he is fake, and I can't prove that he is real so we are just saying what if right now.
If he is real and my belief system holds up then I have a positive afterlife and you don't.
There is no gamble for me but there is a gamble for you.
If he is fake then we both get nothing after this and it doesn't matter. At least with my belief system there is some light at the end of the tunnel for me.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 03:49:18 AM
Where is all the proof of evolution? Didn't Darwin himself say that his theory is absurd when it comes to complexity of our bodies and world? I'm not here to throw the Bible in anyone's face, but I am here to make you realize that atheist have no right to claim their belief as 100% fact than do Christians.
lmao. Try quoting the entire thing he said.
When he started by saying that it was supposed to be like in Shakespear's Cesar When Marc Anthony says "I'm not here to praise him, I'm here to bury him"
Here is the full quote:
Quote from: Charles DarwinTo suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest possible degree. Yet reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from a perfect and complex eye to one very imperfect and simple, each grade being useful to its possessor, can be shown to exist; if further, the eye does vary ever so slightly, and the variations be inherited, which is certainly the case; and if any variation or modification in the organ be ever useful to an animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, can hardly be considered real. How a nerve comes to be sensitive to light, hardly concerns us more than how life itself first originated; but I may remark that several facts make me suspect that any sensitive nerve may be rendered sensitive to light, and likewise to those coarser vibrations of the air which produce sound.
In looking for the gradations by which an organ in any species has been perfected, we ought to look exclusively to its lineal ancestors; but this is scarcely ever possible, and we are forced in each case to look to species of the same group, that is to the collateral descendants from the same original parent-form, in order to see what gradations are possible, and for the chance of some gradations having been transmitted from the earlier stages of descent, in an unaltered or little altered condition. Amongst existing Vertebrata, we find but a small amount of gradation in the structure of the eye, and from fossil species we can learn nothing on this head. In this great class we should probably have to descend far beneath the lowest known fossiliferous stratum to discover the earlier stages, by which the eye has been perfected.
In the Articulata we can commence a series with an optic nerve merely coated with pigment, and without any other mechanism; and from this low stage, numerous gradations of structure, branching off in two fundamentally different lines, can be shown to exist, until we reach a moderately high stage of perfection. In certain crustaceans, for instance, there is a double cornea, the inner one divided into facets, within each of which there is a lens shaped swelling. In other crustaceans the transparent cones which are coated by pigment, and which properly act only by excluding lateral pencils of light, are convex at their upper ends and must act by convergence; and at their lower ends there seems to be an imperfect vitreous substance. With these facts, here far too briefly and imperfectly given, which show that there is much graduated diversity in the eyes of living crustaceans, and bearing in mind how small the number of living animals is in proportion to those which have become extinct, I can see no very great difficulty (not more than in the case of many other structures) in believing that natural selection has converted the simple apparatus of an optic nerve merely coated with pigment and invested by transparent membrane, into an optical instrument as perfect as is possessed by any member of the great Articulate class.
He who will go thus far, if he find on finishing this treatise that large bodies of facts, otherwise inexplicable, can be explained by the theory of descent, ought not to hesitate to go further, and to admit that a structure even as perfect as the eye of an eagle might be formed by natural selection, although in this case he does not know any of the transitional grades. His reason ought to conquer his imagination; though I have felt the difficulty far too keenly to be surprised at any degree of hesitation in extending the principle of natural selection to such startling lengths.
It is scarcely possible to avoid comparing the eye to a telescope. We know that this instrument has been perfected by the long-continued efforts of the highest human intellects; and we naturally infer that the eye has been formed by a somewhat analogous process. But may not this inference be presumptuous? Have we any right to assume that the Creator works by intellectual powers like those of man? If we must compare the eye to an optical instrument, we ought in imagination to take a thick layer of transparent tissue, with a nerve sensitive to light beneath, and then suppose every part of this layer to be continually changing slowly in density, so as to separate into layers of different densities and thicknesses, placed at different distances from each other, and with the surfaces of each layer slowly changing in form. Further we must suppose that there is a power always intently watching each slight accidental alteration in the transparent layers; and carefully selecting each alteration which, under varied circumstances, may in any way, or in any degree, tend to produce a distincter image. We must suppose each new state of the instrument to be multiplied by the million; and each to be preserved till a better be produced, and then the old ones to be destroyed. In living bodies, variation will cause the slight alterations, generation will multiply them almost infinitely, and natural selection will pick out with unerring skill each improvement. Let this process go on for millions on millions of years; and during each year on millions of individuals of many kinds; and may we not believe that a living optical instrument might thus be formed as superior to one of glass, as the works of the Creator are to those of man?
If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down. But I can find out no such case. No doubt many organs exist of which we do not know the transitional grades, more especially if we look to much-isolated species, round which, according to my theory, there has been much extinction. Or again, if we look to an organ common to all the members of a large class, for in this latter case the organ must have been first formed at an extremely remote period, since which all the many members of the class have been developed; and in order to discover the early transitional grades through which the organ has passed, we should have to look to very ancient ancestral forms, long since become extinct.
We should be extremely cautious in concluding that an organ could not have been formed by transitional gradations of some kind. Numerous cases could be given amongst the lower animals of the same organ performing at the same time wholly distinct functions; thus the alimentary canal respires, digests, and excretes in the larva of the dragon-fly and in the fish Cobites. In the Hydra, the animal may be turned inside out, and the exterior surface will then digest and the stomach respire. In such cases natural selection might easily specialise, if any advantage were thus gained, a part or organ, which had performed two functions, for one function alone, and thus wholly change its nature by insensible steps. Two distinct organs sometimes perform simultaneously the same function in the same individual; to give one instance, there are fish with gills or branchiae that breathe the air dissolved in the water, at the same time that they breathe free air in their swimbladders, this latter organ having a ductus pneumaticus for its supply, and being divided by highly vascular partitions. In these cases, one of the two organs might with ease be modified and perfected so as to perform all the work by itself, being aided during the process of modification by the other organ; and then this other organ might be modified for some other and quite distinct purpose, or be quite obliterated.
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All I stated is that Darwin himself said it was absurd and he did say that...how does the rest of what he said prove evolution? Was he there when everything evolved?
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 04:08:24 AM
All that says is that he doesn't really know and that evolution is his best guess...
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Why is it that atheist always bash Christians for Bible thumping and throwing our beliefs on you and yet in reality that's what you are doing. I am just asking simple questions that you are refusing to answer.
Also why did the universe decide to explode into existence?
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 04:12:50 AM
Why is it that atheist always bash Christians for Bible thumping and throwing our beliefs on you and yet in reality that's what you are doing. I am just asking simple questions that you are refusing to answer.
Because you can't back up your claim and we can.
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Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 04:15:03 AM
Also why did the universe decide to explode into existence?
We don't know yet. We also don't claim we do. And we're fine with it as long as we try to find out
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You still haven't backed up your claim? Where is the evidence that backs it up?
So you don't know why the universe decided to make itself?
Yet here we are today.
I have a simple lab project for you. Take a watch and smash it into as many pieces as you can. Take those pieces and put them into a bag. Shake that bag for the rest of your life and tell me how many times that watch puts itself back together.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 04:16:22 AM
You still haven't backed up your claim? Where is the evidence that backs it up?
Here is some evidence. Do you know why you need to finish the entire bottle of antibiotics when you're sick? Because if you don't, the bacteria evolves to a newer, more immune kind of bacteria and you stay sick longer. Happy? There is some evidence. If you want some more do some research on your own. I'm not a science teacher for the 7 year old level and I don't have the patience of one.
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Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 04:19:11 AM
So you don't know why the universe decided to make itself?
Yet here we are today.
I have a simple lab project for you. Take a watch and smash it into as many pieces as you can. Take those pieces and put them into a bag. Shake that bag for the rest of your life and tell me how many times that watch puts itself back together.
What a shitty rendition of the Boeing 747 argument... I've heard that argument before and evolution isn't anything like that.
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Quote from: PickelledEggs on June 29, 2014, 04:15:56 AM
We don't know yet. We also don't claim we do. And we're fine with it as long as we try to find out
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This just proves all I'm trying to say. Evolution requires just as much faith as Creation does. We are all the same. We all choose to believe in something that can't really be proven. And for your example of evolution, yes that is a fact but that doesn't prove that a giant explosion created the universe. The Bible has an explanation for everything just as evolution does. The Bibles explanation is that sickness and disease are a result of Adam and Eve's sin. The Bible says the wages of sin is death. So if the Bible is true than that explains why we get viruses and why our bodies are constantly dying without the aid of medicine. Because of our sin nature we die. That's what my belief says. Evolution says something different. Both have different explanations for everything. Just keep in mind that you have to have just as much faith as I do, but I get to look forward to something.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on June 29, 2014, 04:22:55 AM
What a shitty rendition of the Boeing 747 argument... I've heard that argument before and evolution isn't anything like that.
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Well obviously it's a lot more complex, but it's the general idea. If there's not a God controlling this universe then I want to know what is. I could buy all the survival of the fittest stuff, but the universe doesn't have a brain. The universe is an inanimate object. How can it make decisions? How does it know it keep the earth at the perfect distance from the sun to give us life? Why hasn't there been any more random explosions? Why are milk duds so good? Why does a God that doesn't exist live rent free in the minds of a whole group of people that are determined to prove that he doesn't exist.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 04:29:30 AM
This just proves all I'm trying to say. Evolution requires just as much faith as Creation does. We are all the same. We all choose to believe in something that can't really be proven. And for your example of evolution, yes that is a fact but that doesn't prove that a giant explosion created the universe. The Bible has an explanation for everything just as evolution does. The Bibles explanation is that sickness and disease are a result of Adam and Eve's sin. The Bible says the wages of sin is death. So if the Bible is true than that explains why we get viruses and why our bodies are constantly dying without the aid of medicine. Because of our sin nature we die. That's what my believe says. Evolution says something different. Both have different explanations for everything. Just keep in mind that you have to have just as much faith as I do, but I get to look forward to something.
Evolution is a separate thing than the big bang. It has to do with life-forms.
according to the bible, no one should wash their hands before they eat because Jesus said not to at the last supper. And every one would be sick like in the middle ages.
The bible is fiction and doesn't offer an actual explanation for anything. It's superstition and nonsense.
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Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 04:34:46 AM
Well obviously it's a lot more complex, but it's the general idea. If there's not a God controlling this universe then I want to know what is. I could buy all the survival of the fittest stuff, but the universe doesn't have a brain. The universe is an inanimate object. How can it make decisions? How does it know it keep the earth at the perfect distance from the sun to give us life? Why hasn't there been any more random explosions? Why are milk duds so good? Why does a God that doesn't exist live rent free in the minds of a whole group of people that are determined to prove that he doesn't exist.
Those are a lot of speculations.
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The Bible is fiction just because you think so?
I'm not even saying that one or the other is real, I'm just trying to get you to realize that you have no facts.
You are simply having faith in a theory just as I am. I don't know why that is so hard to admit. I'll admit it all day long.
I simply have faith in a theory.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 04:41:59 AM
The Bible is fiction just because you think so?
I'm not even saying that one or the other is real, I'm just trying to get you to realize that you have no facts.
You are simply having faith in a theory just as I am. I don't know why that is so hard to admit. I'll admit it all day long.
I simply have faith in a theory.
1: you don't understand what a theory is.
2: creationism is not a theory. it is not even a hypothesis.
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I just don't want you guys to have the wrong idea about Christians. I know a lot of the time we do throw things in people's faces.
We don't have any more proof than anyone else. We have a book that God claims to have written. We have to choose to believe it or not. To me it's about having something to believe in. God has given me something positive to believe in and if you really think about it, it is a whole lot easier and nerve calming to believe that there is a God up there that is in control of everything and if I just follow the Bible that I will have rewards some day. It may all boil down to nothing in the end but it's something to believe in man.
Dude you know what I mean. It's a possible explanation for the world's existence. Who cares the technical word for it is...you know what I mean. Also you just avoided everything in that post.
Well, you got one thing right. You don't have more evidence than anyone else. In fact I would say you have much less evidence than most.
Anyway, good night. I have work to do tomorrow.
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Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 04:49:02 AM
Dude you know what I mean. It's a possible explanation for the world's existence. Who cares the technical word for it is...you know what I mean. Also you just avoided everything in that post.
I didn't avoid anything. Your argument is invalid and I pointed that out. I already told you that there is overwhelming evidence that contradicts your claim. And I gave you an example.
Later. Have fun with the rest of the heathens with no reason to live. I'm one of the nicer ones on here.
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Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 02:33:15 AM
Oh trust me, I'm not going to Bible thump. That's not what I'm here for. Stromboli, the reason I don't kill myself is because I believe that is a sin and I have no desire to be dead...I enjoy life. Wouldn't that be a better question to ask you atheist though?
Do you guys fear death?
But you said life is pointless. Now you say you enjoy life. Which religion and what god do you believe in? There are thousands. How do you know you believe the right one?
Quote from: Jason78 on June 29, 2014, 02:29:23 AM
No it isn't. [a choice]
I'm surprised it took 7 replies before someone pointed this out.
Managing to piss off pickel is an achievement my christian companion. You win today's "dickhead award"
Look, dude hope is one thing it keeps you going and whatnot, but like Stromboli said if all that keeps you alive is the belief that having a good afterlife will most certainly come after you die, then what's the pint of living?
What's the point of existence if you're just going to live for a while and then die and then go to another place for all of eternity? Is it some sort of a warm up period or something? Why not eliminate the middle man and go straight to eternity? If this was your gods plan then:
God all of a sudden sounds like someone trying to fix a toaster by bashing another toaster into it. Doesn't really enhance the confidence there buddy
Oh and one other thing, we deal with theists and Christians and Muslims on a weekly basis, sometimes daily. At first we were polite and gave them their time, hoping to show the understanding they don't really give us. In reciprocation we were given the same arguments over and over
Insulted with the same insults over and over, and dealt with the same kind of people over and over and over.
The majority of us are sick of people shoving their beliefs at us and would rather you just try to convert a rock, a potato, or some ants to whatever religion that you are part of
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 03:49:18 AM
Where is all the proof of evolution?
The genetic evidence, taxonomic evidence, fossil evidence, etc all point towards the same tree of common descent.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 03:49:18 AM
Didn't Darwin himself say that his theory is absurd when it comes to complexity of our bodies and world?
A lie generated from quotes taken out of context by creationists.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 03:49:18 AM
I'm not here to throw the Bible in anyone's face, but I am here to make you realize that atheist have no right to claim their belief as 100% fact than do Christians.
Yahweh is indeed 100% false. The feats attributed to him have never occurred.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 04:12:50 AM
Why is it that atheist always bash Christians for Bible thumping and throwing our beliefs on you and yet in reality that's what you are doing. I am just asking simple questions that you are refusing to answer.
You're the one who came to us, not the other way around.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 02:33:15 AM
Oh trust me, I'm not going to Bible thump. That's not what I'm here for. Stromboli, the reason I don't kill myself is because I believe that is a sin and I have no desire to be dead...I enjoy life. Wouldn't that be a better question to ask you atheist though?
Do you guys fear death?
If you enjoy life, why did you way it was pointless without god? If you enjoy something, doesn't that give it meaning? Such confusing statements.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 04:12:50 AM
Why is it that atheist always bash Christians for Bible thumping and throwing our beliefs on you and yet in reality that's what you are doing. I am just asking simple questions that you are refusing to answer.
Pot, meet kettle. Atheists can't so much as put up a sign advertising our existence without attracting criticism, but evangelicals can put up huge fucking billboards saying "You're all gonna burn for eternity!" and no one bats an eye.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 04:29:30 AM
This just proves all I'm trying to say. Evolution requires just as much faith as Creation does.
Not knowing the "why" doesn't mean we don't know the "what." Humans have known an awful lot of "whats" throughout history, and it's only relatively recently that we've started uncovering any of the "whys." We know from the microwave background radiation the approximate age of the universe, and we know the universe is expanding; more than enough to reach the conclusion that the Big Bang happened. We don't need to know
why it happened to know
that it happened.
I don't expect you to actually absorb any of this, you seem to only be here to proselytize.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 04:12:50 AM
Why is it that atheist always bash Christians for Bible thumping and throwing our beliefs on you and yet in reality that's what you are doing.
This is an athiest forum. YOU came here.
I did not come to your christian forum telling you that you're wrong. I did not come to your home telling that you're wrong. I did not stop you on the street and tell you that you are wrong. Theists have done all of those things to me.
Yay! I got to the end.
Someone has been reading in to a little too much creationist dogma! Darwin's quote is infamous for having been torn to shreds by creationists looking for a quote mine.
A theory is an explanation of observable FACTS
Creationism is not a theory nor is it a hypothesis... The bible's claims are merely superstitious nonsense with zero evidence.
Let's see, what did I miss?
The universe didn't decide itself to exist any more than a tree decided to grow from a seed. we don't know the cause but have several very good theories, including multiverses and so forth. Not knowing something does not preclude there is a reason. It also doesn't prove god exists.
God is an assumption. The assumption, dressed up in the form of a religion, is a construct that provably was created by a human mind. Your religion began as a polytheistic one. We can show you that the historicity of your faith is essentially false and based on previous religions and myths, such as the Garden of Eden and Exodus and Noah's Ark.
Like I said in a previous post, how can you know your religion is true? Every religion claims to be the only correct one. Heaven and hell are all constructs used to intimidate and generate fear in believers to keep them obedient to the faith.
Evidence of evolution:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evolution
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0411/feature1/
educate yourself.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 03:52:49 AM
The reason why you should think about it is because, let's just say God is real and there is an afterlife.
You can't prove to me that he is fake, and I can't prove that he is real so we are just saying what if right now.
If he is real and my belief system holds up then I have a positive afterlife and you don't.
There is no gamble for me but there is a gamble for you.
If he is fake then we both get nothing after this and it doesn't matter. At least with my belief system there is some light at the end of the tunnel for me.
Unless you chose to believe in the wrong god.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 04:29:30 AM
This just proves all I'm trying to say. Evolution requires just as much faith as Creation does.
No it absolutely does not. Evolution has been proven through lots of repeatable and verifiable scientific testing. This testing has been very well documented. The scientific methods used in the testing have also been proven time and time again to be sound and reliable.
Faith is a believing something to be true despite the lack of proof. Absolutely no faith is required to believe evolution to be true. All that is required is that you educate yourself on how scientific methods work and why things which are discovered using them are verifiable proof of theories. Then look for yourself at how much verifiable and repeatable scientific proof exists which supports the theory of evolution. It probably wouldn't hurt for you to also look at how much verifiable and repeatable proof there is which shows the theory of creationism to be wrong.
The data is out there and readily available for you to find. Educate yourself or don't. I could give a fuck. But don't come here and make bogus claims based on your own ignorance unless you like to be called out on it.
Educate yourself. I was a Christian for 18 years and a Mormon before that. I educated myself.
Evolution is science. Science is based on the scientific method which starts with observation. Scientific theories are methods that employ working models that require testing to verify the results and peer review of the testing. There were actually 2 other people besides Darwin that came up with the same theories at the same time. He is the one that got published first.
Creationism is not science. It starts with the conclusion and works backwards, the opposite of science.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 02:12:34 AM
I believe in God and creation. I understand that atheist do not. There is no way for me to prove that God exist. A belief is just a choice. I choose to believe in it. Why do atheist choose to believe there isn't a God?
What's a god?
Time to vote: poe or true believer
Bonus points will be giving for guessing his age.
I'm guessing 30 months.
Quote from: Poison Tree on June 29, 2014, 01:11:56 PM
Time to vote: poe or true believer
Bonus points will be giving for guessing his age.
I'm guessing 30 months.
I think this guy actually believes what he telling us.
As for his age... IDFK. Even old farts go toddler-mode when you point out the flaws and inconsistoncies of their religion
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 04:19:11 AM
So you don't know why the universe decided to make itself?
Yet here we are today.
I have a simple lab project for you. Take a watch and smash it into as many pieces as you can. Take those pieces and put them into a bag. Shake that bag for the rest of your life and tell me how many times that watch puts itself back together.
You.
Are.
Fucking.
Stupid.
Go away.
What is this "universe decided to make itself" shit? Like the universe decided to put a dress on and walk onstage? does a tree decide to germinate?
I'm guessing 20 or so. Apparently they are no longer teaching science in the bible belt.
Alright, since you guys keep claiming to have all these facts (btw I apologize if you guys got offended by me coming to your site and saying these things, but I believe in spreading my beliefs) I am going to start sharing what I believe are facts. I wasn't going to do this, because I didn't want to come across as a Bible thumper but just answer questions for me? Why would an entire nation of people (God's chosen people) document their history including the God that I serve and, upon his answer to their question of him being the son of God, kill him and then document it? Key word here is "document".
In other words, why would they document something that shed a bad light on their whole nation? If you're going to create a myth why not make yourselves look good?
Quote from: the_antithesis on June 29, 2014, 01:27:39 PM
You.
Are.
Fucking.
Stupid.
Go away.
Thanks for explaining evolution.
Quote from: stromboli on June 29, 2014, 01:28:13 PM
What is this "universe decided to make itself" shit? Like the universe decided to put a dress on and walk onstage? does a tree decide to germinate?
I'm guessing 20 or so. Apparently they are no longer teaching science in the bible belt.
My belief simply states that trees germinate because that's the way God created them. See in my faith everything has an easy and simple explanation.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 01:38:32 PM
Thanks for explaining evolution.
Darwin explains it in the full version of what you misquoted. Read that.
Gradual steps. It's not hard to understand, not nearly as hard as trying to understand how someone can base their entire truth of life on a speculation.
Sent from your mom
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 01:38:32 PM
Thanks for explaining evolution.
I'm not explaining evolution. I do not care if you understand evolution. I'm just pointing out that you are an ignorant, stupid twat and should shut the fuck up and go away.
Go live your failed and useless life somewhere else.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 01:36:23 PM
Why would an entire nation of people (God's chosen people) document their history i
That is really stupid. Why is it stoopid? Because the entire fucking nation did not document their history moron. A couple maybe three wannabees wrote massive piece of bullshit that has never been proven and you bought the whole pile of crap. Really? How many tens of thousands of lives would have been effected if the Pharoahs army was actually killed in the river? But not ONE mother fucking Egyptian even mentioned it. Why? You're an idiot.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 01:40:36 PM
My belief simply states that trees germinate because that's the way God created them. See in my faith everything has an easy and simple explanation.
Yes, but not a correct one.
If you want easy and simple, then yeah, religion is for you! But if you want facts, you might have to actually learn some critical thinking skills. It does require a bit of work for you, to actaully learn the hard things instead of just accepting the easy to understand ones. But it benefits you and everyone when you do.
And 10's of thousands of Christians understand science AND accept both the big bang theory AND evolution, and still retain their beliefs. So don't be afraid to actually learn them. It's isn't like you have to pick one or the other, tons of people are able to do both.
Also, belief is NOT a choice. It is a culmative unavoidable conclusion reached based on many factors like exposure to certain information, critical thinking skills learned, etc.
If you think it is a choice, then I dare you even for 1 second to chose to stop believing in God. Just for one second. Go ahead, I'll wait. Tell me how that "choice" is working out for you.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 01:40:36 PM
See in my faith everything has an easy and simple explanation.
ie....one doesn't need readin riting an ritmatic..in my faith one don't need no smarts or stuff like that, we be stoopid cause god does everything so dere......
:eyes:
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 01:36:23 PM
Alright, since you guys keep claiming to have all these facts (btw I apologize if you guys got offended by me coming to your site and saying these things, but I believe in spreading my beliefs) I am going to start sharing what I believe are facts. I wasn't going to do this, because I didn't want to come across as a Bible thumper but just answer questions for me? Why would an entire nation of people (God's chosen people) document their history including the God that I serve and, upon his answer to their question of him being the son of God, kill him and then document it? Key word here is "document".
In other words, why would they document something that shed a bad light on their whole nation? If you're going to create a myth why not make yourselves look good?
Which nation of god? Every country says that they are god's nation. Shit. in the United States Civil War, two sides of the same country thought they had god on their side. If two sides of a war has god on their side, who wins?
The answer is: the one with the more powerful and strategic army. Winning a war has nothing to do with Yahweh, because he doesn't exist.
BTW, you keep saying you're not a bible thumper, but keep attempting to prove us wrong... which is another way of bible thumping. Evidence of what you believe or GTFO. Its as simple as that. I'm only lurking this thread from now on or until you can provide some valid evidence of what you're trying to convince us.
Darwin said a bunch of scientific things that sound cool and make him look very intelligent. This doesn't make it a fact though. It's just a theory, and theories aren't facts. So what you are saying is that you have faith in a man's opinion. You believe his opinion over a simple explanation for everything. The Bible says that darkness can't comprehend light. The human brain has nothing to do with any of this. There are just as many brilliant Christians as their are evolutionist so why do some choose to believe creation and not this obvious "fact" called evolution?
Let's just take one man here. Paul was put in prison for speaking and preaching the name of God, who you believe is made up.
Paul wrote 13 epistles while he was in prison facing death, just to create something that in his own mind was a myth? Why did he devote his life to spreading a pointless myth, when at the end of the day he was just going to be killed?
I'm talking about the origin of the story here guys. The man that wrote the epistles. I'm not talking about the people who follow this so called myth today, I'm talking about the men (Paul, Matthew, Mark) who were told stories from eye witnesses who died for this so called myth. Millions of people have been killed for this so called myth.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 02:08:23 PM
Darwin said a bunch of scientific things that sound cool and make him look very intelligent. This doesn't make it a fact though. It's just a theory, and theories aren't facts. So what you are saying is that you have faith in a man's opinion. You believe his opinion over a simple explanation for everything. The Bible says that darkness can't comprehend light. The human brain has nothing to do with any of this. There are just as many brilliant Christians as their are evolutionist so why do some choose to believe creation and not this obvious "fact" called evolution?
Let's just take one man here. Paul was put in prison for speaking and preaching the name of God, who you believe is made up.
Paul wrote 13 epistles while he was in prison facing death, just to create something that in his own mind was a myth? Why did he devote his life to spreading a pointless myth, when at the end of the day he was just going to be killed?
Yes, the fields of biology and biochemistry haven't changed since the mid 1800's. You are a genius.
Actually. One last question before I stop posting in this thread...
How often do you crap and fart?
Sent from your mom
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 01:36:23 PM
Alright, since you guys keep claiming to have all these facts (btw I apologize if you guys got offended by me coming to your site and saying these things, but I believe in spreading my beliefs) I am going to start sharing what I believe are facts. I wasn't going to do this, because I didn't want to come across as a Bible thumper but just answer questions for me? Why would an entire nation of people (God's chosen people) document their history including the God that I serve and, upon his answer to their question of him being the son of God, kill him and then document it? Key word here is "document".
In other words, why would they document something that shed a bad light on their whole nation? If you're going to create a myth why not make yourselves look good?
Oh dear me.....
Allow me to introduce myself. My name is Moralnihilist. I have stayed out of this conversation because I wanted the others to have fun with you, BUT this statement just so happens to be in my particular area of speciality. You see junior I happen to have a PhD in History(specifically Roman Military history). The "document" did not come into existence until 150-300 years AFTER the supposed existence of the earthly incarnate of your god-thing. This causes an issue as the average age of survival was around 30(ish), and that would mean that there would be 4 generations to have passed after those who would have lived at the time of jebus.
Then you ALSO have the issue that there are NO(read that as zero, nein, neit, bubkiss) CONTEMPORARY historians who managed to write anything of jesus. There were at that time well over a dozen CONTEMPORARY historians living in the area that jesus supposedly lived in. We have crop yield records, day to day government records, arrest records, etc. Yet no mention of a convicted criminal being executed, buried, and then returning to life 3 days later(something that I would add would be world wide news even today).
Your belief in the zombie god is fine. If you want to believe something where in there is no evidence supporting it, thats your call. But junior I would strongly advise you to pay a bit more attention to your audience, and make sure that they don't ACTUALLY know what they are talking about, before claiming something as true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdhQWkTl1PQ
Answer my question. Paul must have believed what he died for. He must have seen Jesus. Before he was converted, he was one of the leading murderers of Christians. Christians feared his name. You're going to tell me that this man then all of a sudden wakes up and devotes the rest of his life to a myth that he had killed people for just the day before? Something happened in this man's life! He saw the light! He was converted.
I'm a 19 year old, and I don't claim to be that intelligent. I have heard both sides. It's your business what you believe in.
Earlier when I said that it was a choice, I meant that. While generally there are facts that back up a belief, I have decided that there are more facts that back up my belief than yours. Doesn't make me more or less intelligent than you, it just means that I am able to comprehend the light.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 02:25:28 PM
Answer my question. Paul must have believed what he died for. He must have seen Jesus. Before he was converted, he was one of the leading killers of Christians. Christians feared his name. You're going to tell me that his man then all of a sudden wakes up and devotes the rest of his life to a myth that he had killed people for just the day before? Something happened in this man's life! He saw the light! He was converted.
Yea....
About that.....
Paul never met jesus. Never saw the guy speak. Never heard the guys voice. Wasn't from the same part of the world. He heard the story, liked it, and converted. Thats it.
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Oh and PLENTY of people were excited for their beliefs in that time. Paul was nothing special. You might want to open up a history book once in a while. And, you know, read it.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 02:25:28 PM
Answer my question. Paul must have believed what he died for. He must have seen Jesus. Before he was converted, he was one of the leading killers of Christians. Christians feared his name. You're going to tell me that his man then all of a sudden wakes up and devotes the rest of his life to a myth that he had killed people for just the day before? Something happened in this man's life! He saw the light! He was converted.
Maybe when you die of old age, after living a long, misguided life, you can ask him in heaven about it.
Sent from your mom
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 02:08:23 PM
Darwin said a bunch of scientific things that sound cool and make him look very intelligent. This doesn't make it a fact though. It's just a theory, and theories aren't facts. So what you are saying is that you have faith in a man's opinion. You believe his opinion over a simple explanation for everything. The Bible says that darkness can't comprehend light. The human brain has nothing to do with any of this. There are just as many brilliant Christians as their are evolutionist so why do some choose to believe creation and not this obvious "fact" called evolution?
Let's just take one man here. Paul was put in prison for speaking and preaching the name of God, who you believe is made up.
Paul wrote 13 epistles while he was in prison facing death, just to create something that in his own mind was a myth? Why did he devote his life to spreading a pointless myth, when at the end of the day he was just going to be killed?
I'm talking about the origin of the story here guys. The man that wrote the epistles. I'm not talking about the people who follow this so called myth today, I'm talking about the men (Paul, Matthew, Mark) who were told stories from eye witnesses who died for this so called myth. Millions of people have been killed for this so called myth.
About the bold part:
If I had a nickel every time I heard or read this, I'd be rich, I tells ya, rich! Look up what the word theory means as a scientific term (google scientific theory), and then come back here and tell us how theories aren't facts.
Do you believe in gravity? Do you realize it is "only a theory"?
Do you believe in germs? Do you realize that is "only a theory"?
There are many, many MANY scientific theories YOU accept as fact.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 02:08:23 PM
It's just a theory, and theories aren't facts.
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Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 02:08:23 PM
Let's just take one man here. Paul was put in prison for speaking and preaching the name of God, who you believe is made up.
Paul wrote 13 epistles while he was in prison facing death, just to create something that in his own mind was a myth? Why did he devote his life to spreading a pointless myth, when at the end of the day he was just going to be killed?
And David Koresh died for the Branch Davidians--of which there are still believers.
Quote from: Poison Tree on June 29, 2014, 02:37:27 PM
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And David Koresh died for the Branch Davidians--of which there are still believers.
Quote from: Moralnihilist on June 29, 2014, 02:30:22 PM
Yea....
About that.....
Paul never met jesus. Never saw the guy speak. Never heard the guys voice. Wasn't from the same part of the world. He heard the story, liked it, and converted. Thats it.
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Oh and PLENTY of people were excited for their beliefs in that time. Paul was nothing special. You might want to open up a history book once in a while. And, you know, read it.
Jesus spoke with him on the road to Damascus and blinded him. Please don't speak of my Bible if you don't know what it says. When Saul (His name was changed to Paul after his conversion) asked who was speaking to him, the voice replied, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do." (Acts 9:5-6)
You are right plenty of people were excited about their beliefs but Paul's story is far more intriguing. As I said, he literally persecuted Christians with a passion then all of a sudden spent the rest of his life serving a God that you don't believe exist.
What makes Darwin so special? What did Darwin die for? That would be a good book title.
Theory: a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural and subject to experimentation, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 02:46:35 PM
Jesus spoke with him on the road to Damascus and blinded him. Please don't speak of my Bible if you don't know what it says. When Saul (His name was changed to Paul after his conversion) asked who was speaking to him, the voice replied, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do." (Acts 9:5-6)
You are right plenty of people were excited about their beliefs but Paul's story is far more intriguing. As I said, he literally persecuted Christians with a passion then all of a sudden spent the rest of his life serving a God that you don't believe exist.
What makes Darwin so special? What did Darwin die for? That would be a good book title.
Theory: a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural and subject to experimentation, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact
Wrong yet again. Junior you really don't want to argue with a historian on historical information.
While they were contemporaries, the first recorded encounter between Jesus & Paul was on the road to Damascus when Paul (then known as Saul) was converted to Christianity, after Jesus had been crucified. You can read about Paul's encounter with Jesus in Acts 9:1-9. Paul himself insisted that Jesus appeared to him in his resurrected person in his written word (See 1 Corinthians 15:8).
Try again
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And yet it is I who don't know what the buybull says.....
QuoteTheory: a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural and subject to experimentation, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact
You're using that word as it is used commonly. In the world of scientists, they use the word hypothesis instead. The word theory is short for what you commonly know as scientific theory. Now try Google again.
Here let me help you.
In science, the term "theory" refers to "a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment."[15][16] Theories must also meet further requirements, such as the ability to make falsifiable predictions with consistent accuracy across a broad area of scientific inquiry, and production of strong evidence in favor of the theory from multiple independent sources. (See characteristics of scientific theories.)
Btw- there is strong evidence Jesus was not born of a virgin, i.e. immaculate conception. Would you respond to this thread please?
http://atheistforums.com/index.php?topic=5363.0
Evolution is still in the process of trying to prove itself. Therefore it is a theory and not a fact. Gravity is a law and a theory. We know that when we drop a pencil it falls to the ground. That is the law of gravity. That is a fact. There is also a theory involved in gravity to explain why that happens. Because I see that pencil fall to the ground with my own eyes, I believe that gravity is real. Thus you and I are eye witnesses of gravity. Science tries it best to explain everything that happens, whether or not that explanation is really why it happens how are we sure? All we know is that it happens.
And how are you to compare David Koresh to Paul?
He was being pressured by the government. He was no more a man of God than you are. When was immorality ever accepted in God's eyes. Paul had to change when he converted. Something actually happened to Paul, nothing happened to Koresh, except that the government was coming.
Lets try to fit what he is trying to tell us in with the family of terms he's using:
Is it a theory?: no.
Why? it doesn't explain a fact.
Is it a fact?: No.
Why? it isn't supported by evidence of any kind.
Is it a hypothesis?: No.
Why? A hypothesis is an educated guess and it is nowhere close to being an educated guess.
(I know I said I was just going to lurk, but this guy is too much fun of a chew toy)
Quote from: Moralnihilist on June 29, 2014, 02:48:47 PM
Wrong yet again. Junior you really don't want to argue with a historian on historical information.
While they were contemporaries, the first recorded encounter between Jesus & Paul was on the road to Damascus when Paul (then known as Saul) was converted to Christianity, after Jesus had been crucified. You can read about Paul's encounter with Jesus in Acts 9:1-9. Paul himself insisted that Jesus appeared to him in his resurrected person in his written word (See 1 Corinthians 15:8).
Try again
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And yet it is I who don't know what the buybull says.....
What did you even just say? You just proved my point? All I was saying is that Paul did meet with Jesus...Jesus is the same Jesus before and after the cross... another guy said that Paul never met Jesus and he did.
Are you guys only concerned about what technical definitions of a word are?
Seriously? You are all avoiding my comments and trying to poke fun at my intelligence?
Look, Evolution isn't factual in any way...men are trying to explain our existence and this is how some are choosing to do so.
How can you seriously believe that evolution is a fact? It's all a proposed theory! Yes theories are facts to people that create them but that doesn't mean that it is a fact! Just because I believe that God is real doesn't mean that He is.
I choose to be an atheist for the persecution. Every time I don't believe in god another baby Jesus dies and is feed to a hungry lion. Lions gotta eat too.
That's as serious an answer as you silly people are getting out of me.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 03:12:31 PM
Are you guys only concerned about what technical definitions of a word are?
Seriously? You are all avoiding my comments and trying to poke fun at my intelligence?
Look, Evolution isn't factual in any way...men are trying to explain our existence and this is how some are choosing to do so.
How can you seriously believe that evolution is a fact? It's all a proposed theory! Yes theories are facts to people that create them but that doesn't mean that it is a fact! Just because I believe that God is real doesn't mean that He is.
Well,other than the fact that you are blindly ignorant about what science is, obviously you avoided the links I provided. Read them.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 03:02:57 PM
Evolution is still in the process of trying to prove itself. Therefore it is a theory and not a fact. Gravity is a law and a theory.
Theories are made up of facts. A fact is simply a data point. Universal gravitation is a law, because it is math. Gravity is a theory and one that has been superseded on both ends of the scale.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 03:02:57 PM
And how are you to compare David Koresh to Paul?
In that they both died for their religion.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 03:12:31 PM
Look, Evolution isn't factual in any way
How do you explain all the facts supporting evolution, other than your obvious attempt to ignore them?
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 03:12:31 PM
How can you seriously believe that evolution is a fact? It's all a proposed theory!
You are ignorant.
You do not understand what a theory is.
Shut up and go away.
(http://www.dosits.org/images/dosits/sci-method2.gif)
The theist method is just "I believe it, that settles it."
Now, fuck off and die.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 03:12:31 PM
Are you guys only concerned about what technical definitions of a word are?
Seriously? You are all avoiding my comments and trying to poke fun at my intelligence?
Look, Evolution isn't factual in any way...men are trying to explain our existence and this is how some are choosing to do so.
How can you seriously believe that evolution is a fact? It's all a proposed theory! Yes theories are facts to people that create them but that doesn't mean that it is a fact! Just because I believe that God is real doesn't mean that He is.
We could poke fun at your misuse of terms all day, but at the same time we can also poke fun at how false your other statements are.
Evolution is factual. It has been proven many times. When the burden of proof fell on evolution, evidence was there to back it up. When the burden of proof falls on the claim of your god and creationism, we get answers like "well it's a matter of faith" and/or the person tries to change the subject/ turn the burden back on the opposing claim.
Again. Evidence or GTFO. It's not a difficult request. If you are having trouble finding evidence, the other option of GTFO is incredibly easy.
I'll even walk you through it.
Step 1: click "logout" on the top of this window.
Step 2: stay logged out
QuoteYes theories are facts to people that create them but that doesn't mean that it is a fact! Just because I believe that God is real doesn't mean that He is.
So what you're saying there is your bullshit is bullshit so everyone else must also believe the same bullshit because you admitted your bullshit is bullshit. ? Makes sense to me.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 03:07:25 PM
What did you even just say? You just proved my point? All I was saying is that Paul did meet with Jesus...Jesus is the same Jesus before and after the cross... another guy said that Paul never met Jesus and he did.
Work on your reading.
Paul never met jesus. He had a "vision". A "vision" does not equal reality. He thought he saw something(or claimed he did) and "converted". I had a vision where I had a three way with your mom and Scarlett Johansson while you cried in a corner, so by your logic I can now claim this as truth.
Hey guys I fucked this retards mom while he cried in a corner.
You see just because someone claimed something don't make it true. It would require supporting evidence. Going back to my vision. If, I were to have a video of said threesome and your crying then I could claim it as truth. But because I claimed it with zero supporting evidence, makes it being the truth dubious(although you can't deny I did work the shit out of your moms ass).
There in lies the issue with religion. There is ZERO supporting evidence, and just because an old book(and a HEAVILY edited and revised one at that) claims something to be true don't make it true.
Here, 29 evidences for macroevolution
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
QuoteThe worldwide scientific research community from over the past 150 years has discovered that no known hypothesis other than universal common descent can account scientifically for the unity, diversity, and patterns of terrestrial life. This hypothesis has been verified and corroborated so extensively that it is currently accepted as fact by the overwhelming majority of professional researchers in the biological and geological sciences (AAAS 1990; AAAS 2006; GSA 2009; NAS 2005; NCSE 2012; Working Group 2001). No alternate explanations compete scientifically with common descent, primarily for four main reasons: (1) so many of the predictions of common descent have been confirmed from independent areas of science, (2) no significant contradictory evidence has yet been found, (3) competing possibilities have been contradicted by enormous amounts of scientific data, and (4) many other explanations are untestable, though they may be trivially consistent with biological data.
That clear enough for you?
Serious question. If it were proven Jesus died by slipping on a pile of shit and hitting his head on a rock would you be willing to exchange those crosses for shit piles?
Quote from: stromboli on June 29, 2014, 03:27:44 PM
Here, 29 evidences for macroevolution
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
That clear enough for you?
We'd be lucky if he understood half of those words.
Also, I never said that it wasn't an educated guess. I haven't tried to attack your intelligence in any way, but I am about to.
In fact you have been the ones trying to insult mine. You have been attacking me the whole time. I don't know why you guys want to be descendants of monkeys so badly, but with some of these statements I can see why you think you are.
You guys still haven't given any facts proving evolution. It's was all created in a guys head that never saw any of it happen. It has nothing to do with the fact of gravity. How do we know that the explanation of gravity is even 100% factual. We just accept it as fact because we know it happens. No one has ever witnessed evolution taking place. There are multiple theories of why gravity takes place. It really doesn't matter why it happens. Man can guess why it happens but how do we know that any of it is even actually why it happens.
Quote from: Icarus on June 29, 2014, 03:30:10 PM
We'd be lucky if he understood half of those words.
He's just going to say
"Those scientist just said a lot of stuff to sound intelligent"
Because you don't witness all of evolution first hand of course it's a hoax. Of course also the resurrection and all of the rest of bible bullshit wasn't witnessed by anyone first hand either so the same conclusion ought to be obvious. A hoax.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 03:12:31 PM
Are you guys only concerned about what technical definitions of a word are?
Seriously? You are all avoiding my comments and trying to poke fun at my intelligence?
Look, Evolution isn't factual in any way...men are trying to explain our existence and this is how some are choosing to do so.
How can you seriously believe that evolution is a fact? It's all a proposed theory! Yes theories are facts to people that create them but that doesn't mean that it is a fact! Just because I believe that God is real doesn't mean that He is.
We aren't just trying to poke fun at your intelligence.
The technical definition of what words mean are extremely important when trying to have a conversation or convey information. If I use a word to mean something, and you think it means something else, we are not going to have a very productive conversation.
A scientific theory only moves from hypothesis to scientific theory when there is a SLEW of evidence to back it up. A scientific theory is essentially a fact.
Evolution has more evidence to back it up than almost any other scientific theory in existence. I mean absolutely everywhere we look, there is evidence for evolution. From Biology to geology, many other scientific discoveries have only added to the mountain of evidence supporting evolution, and not one has contradicted it. Not... one! There IS NO CONTROVERSY about evolution except by biblical creationists and they have no scientific evidence to back them up, no matter how hard they try.
There have been thousands of scientific discoveries that support evolution since Darwin first proposed it. Relying entirely on his original work is completely disingenuous, as it does not represent the modern understanding of evolution.
We only ask you to do some research on your own because it is clear that you haven't, you are just reiterating talking points from your pastor or answersingenesis. Try challenging your world view and see if it actually holds up when open-mindedly comparing them to others. We aren't a group of schoolteachers here, and frankly it is a little exhausting when every Christian shows up here saying the exact same things, showing the exact same ignorance and regurgitating the exact same talking points that most of us have already been over dozens of times.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 03:31:32 PM
Also, I never said that it wasn't an educated guess. I haven't tried to attack your intelligence in any way, but I am about to.
In fact you have been the ones trying to insult mine. You have been attacking me the whole time. I don't know why you guys want to be descendants of monkeys so badly, but with some of these statements I can see why you think you are.
You guys still haven't given any facts proving evolution. It's was all created in a guys head that never saw any of it happen. It has nothing to do with the fact of gravity. How do we know that the explanation of gravity is even 100% factual. We just accept it as fact because we know it happens. No one has ever witnessed evolution taking place. There are multiple theories of why gravity takes place. It really doesn't matter why it happens. Man can guess why it happens but how do we know that any of it is even actually why it happens.
:lol: we don't necessarily want to be descendants of monkeys. But the truth of it is that we are.
We haven't attacked you at all (well, maybe antithesis did a little :lol: ) we have only attacked your incorrect explanation for things. It has nothing backing it up. And no, the bible is not proof of the bible. And no, feeling it strongly is not proof of a belief. And no, wanting to believe something does not make it true.
The only thing that makes something true is proof. That is what you are having a very hard time understanding.
If you don't want someone attacking your beliefs, don't assert them on to other people and then offer zero evidence for what you say is true.
All of you keep taking opinions of people and portraying them as facts.
Can anyone answer my Paul questions instead of attacking me about things that are not even relevant to the conversation?
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 03:40:05 PM
All of you keep taking opinions of people and portraying them as facts.
Can anyone answer my Paul questions instead of attacking me about things that are not even relevant to the conversation?
You are not worth talking to.
You are too stupid to understand how stupid you are.
Go away.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 03:40:05 PM
All of you keep taking opinions of people and portraying them as facts.
Can anyone answer my Paul questions instead of attacking me about things that are not even relevant to the conversation?
Mental illness is a thing. You might want to look into it.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 02:25:28 PM
Answer my question. Paul must have believed what he died for. He must have seen Jesus. Before he was converted, he was one of the leading murderers of Christians. Christians feared his name. You're going to tell me that this man then all of a sudden wakes up and devotes the rest of his life to a myth that he had killed people for just the day before? Something happened in this man's life! He saw the light! He was converted.
Those people who flew the plane into a building on 9/11, they must have been on to something as well. I mean they must have known that they will die. Maybe they also knew the real truth, which seems to evade the rest of the common people like us.
I come from a musl!m family and lived in a place with 99% musl!m. and we were taught that paul was a evil person, the first one who corrupted the bible. the true word of god. That is why you have so many different versions of bible and why new testament is so much nicer than the old testament. You don't think god can change do you.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 03:40:05 PM
All of you keep taking opinions of people and portraying them as facts.
Can anyone answer my Paul questions instead of attacking me about things that are not even relevant to the conversation?
Respond to my posts. You said evolution is just unproven theory. You said that. Now respond to my posts or GTFO.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 03:40:05 PM
All of you keep taking opinions of people and portraying them as facts.
Can anyone answer my Paul questions instead of attacking me about things that are not even relevant to the conversation?
Moralnihlist already did.
Like I said. Just because you want to believe something, doesn't make it true. And just because you feel something strongly doesn't make it true.
Paul lived in a time where nothing could be explained as eloquently as it can be now. He also lived in a time where jumping to a conclusion of "miracle" or (insert supernatural thing here) was the norm. It may be a little hard for you to wrap your head around this, but that isn't proof of anything. No one cares what someone almost 2000 years ago said about the claim of jesus or god. It has zero validity.
I just don't why you guys can't accept that a God put us all here for a reason. Why does there have to be a extremely complex scientific evidence of everything.
Science can explain a lot things and how the body functions and how the world works, but science will never explain why we are here. We are here for a reason people! We didn't just happen one day. You guys are very intelligent. I just want you to know that no amount of intelligence can explain why we are here, but God has told us why we are here. He has told us all that we need to know. Why is that so hard to accept?
I understand that some people choose not to believe in God because of all the evil and certain circumstances in their lives.
I'm just like everyone else, I wanted to know why I was here. Evolution doesn't tell me why I'm here, but God does. I believe in him.
I won't debate and argue bible bullshit, but will tell you you're full of shit and the sooner you recognize the problem the sooner you can rectify it. You can choose to remain full of shit all your life or you can stop that nonsense now. The choice is entirely up to you.
Ok, well it is pretty clear you are not even reading what any of us are writing, or else you are completely unable to comprehend any of it. I'm guessing it is both, since you are just ignoring what we have posted and brushed it all off as "opinion".
We may as well be talking to a brick wall. I have not insulted your intelligence yet, but I gotta say, my 7 year old daughter has a better grasp of how science works than you do. I don't blame you though. It is clear you were never taught any critical thinking skills, hell you don't even seem to have 3rd grade reading comprehension level skills, so I guess we can't expect you to understand difficult things like how important it is that words have a common meaning, and that claims require evidence, let alone what constitutes evidence.
People have answered your Paul question, you just didn't like the answer. Why are you even here? To prove to yourself how superior you and your "faith" are and how atheists are all immoral meanie weenies?
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 03:50:12 PM
I just don't why you guys can't accept that a God put us all here for a reason. Why does there have to be a extremely complex scientific evidence of everything.
Science can explain a lot things and how the body functions and how the world works, but science will never explain why we are here. We are here for a reason people! We didn't just happen one day. You guys are very intelligent. I just want you to know that no amount of intelligence can explain why we are here, but God has told us why we are here. He has told us all that we need to know. Why is that so hard to accept?
I understand that some people choose not to believe in God because of all the evil and certain circumstances in their lives.
I'm just like everyone else, I wanted to know why I was here. Evolution doesn't tell me why I'm here, but God does. I believe in him.
I just want to point out that YOU are the one who believes that humans just happened one day, not us. Most of us know we happened very gradually, over time.
Btw, can I ask how old you are? I don't think you should be on the internet without parental supervision. They might not approve of talking to us meanie weenie atheists.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 03:50:12 PM
I just want you to know that no amount of intelligence can explain why we are here, but God has told us why we are here.
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh38ygMiY5I
I think this series will answer your question.
But a real answer is that I do not care if Paul believed in this jesus nonsense or not. If he believed it
DOES NOT MEAN THAT WHAT HE BELIEVED WAS TRUE.Why would he die for a belief that was not true?
Easy.
He was stupid.
Like you.
Go away.
Speak for yourself. I like being an immoral meanie weenie. :lol: It has a nice ring to it.
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 03:31:32 PM
Also, I never said that it wasn't an educated guess. I haven't tried to attack your intelligence in any way, but I am about to.
In fact you have been the ones trying to insult mine. You have been attacking me the whole time. I don't know why you guys want to be descendants of monkeys so badly, but with some of these statements I can see why you think you are.
You guys still haven't given any facts proving evolution. It's was all created in a guys head that never saw any of it happen. It has nothing to do with the fact of gravity. How do we know that the explanation of gravity is even 100% factual. We just accept it as fact because we know it happens. No one has ever witnessed evolution taking place. There are multiple theories of why gravity takes place. It really doesn't matter why it happens. Man can guess why it happens but how do we know that any of it is even actually why it happens.
Ever wonder why you need a new flu shot every year?
Yep you guessed it,
Evolution.
Mutation is evolution(guys I know its simplistic but look what we are working with). Would you like to now claim that mutation isn't factual? Evolution then proceeds to state that a good evolutionary trait(read this as mutation) will survive to pass on its genes where in a useless/harmful trait(again read as mutation) will be less likely to survive and pass on its flawed genes.
It is supported by voluminous consistent evidence from many sources, which increases every year, in fact virtually every month; and no-one has proposed any other scientific theory that explains all the observed evidence as well as evolution does. Therefore evolution is of necessity the accepted theory and has attained the status of "virtual fact", though many of its specific modes of operation are still being investigated, with various hypotheses being tested - just as in atomic theory, and every other scientific discipline.
Meanwhile your skydaddy has shit for evidence. Not one ounce of evidence for, not only your god but ANY god has EVER been provided by ANYTHING.
Notice how I refrained from stating that your god didn't exist. Want to know why? Because I don't know if it does or not for a fact. But, based off of the lack of evidence and the sheer amount of people looking for some, that brings into question the validity of the claims of the positive(remember my vision, and the needed supplementary evidence).
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 03:40:05 PM
All of you keep taking opinions of people and portraying them as facts.
Can anyone answer my Paul questions instead of attacking me about things that are not even relevant to the conversation?
I did, you are simply to stupid to realize that your argument holds as much water as a sieve.
My last back to back post.
Mods I recommend:
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Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 03:50:12 PM
I just don't why you guys can't accept that a God put us all here for a reason. Why does there have to be a extremely complex scientific evidence of everything.
Science can explain a lot things and how the body functions and how the world works, but science will never explain why we are here. We are here for a reason people! We didn't just happen one day. You guys are very intelligent. I just want you to know that no amount of intelligence can explain why we are here, but God has told us why we are here. He has told us all that we need to know. Why is that so hard to accept?
I understand that some people choose not to believe in God because of all the evil and certain circumstances in their lives.
I'm just like everyone else, I wanted to know why I was here. Evolution doesn't tell me why I'm here, but God does. I believe in him.
-insert credit to try again-
Quote from: bamaboydylan on June 29, 2014, 02:12:34 AM
I believe in God and creation. I understand that atheist do not. There is no way for me to prove that God exist. A belief is just a choice. I choose to believe in it. Why do atheist choose to believe there isn't a God?
The real question is how often do you crap and fart?
Quote from: leo on June 29, 2014, 04:20:36 PM
The real question is how often do crap and fart?
I was way ahead of you on that, leo! :lol:
Sent from your mom
Quote from: PickelledEggs on June 29, 2014, 04:25:54 PM
I was way ahead of you on that, leo! :lol:
Sent from your mom
. Thanks man. That christard is full of shit. :doh: :doh:
Do you guys think home schooling or public education is to blame, here? My daughter is in a public school, and I notice that even in 1st grade, they were teaching her more than rote memorization. The teacher was always asking, but WHY is 3+1 = 4? The kids had to back up all of their answers with logical reasons, which is super cute on first grade when their language skills are just barely up to the task. But you can see 6 and 7 year olds actually actively doing this. I realize public education can vary wildly, and I have heard plenty of horror stories. Still, I am going to guess this one is home schooled.
Sorry to derail. I think we drove him off anyway.
Quote from: Aroura33 on June 29, 2014, 04:32:27 PM
Do you guys think home schooling or public education is to blame, here? My daughter is in a public school, and I notice that even in 1st grade, they were teaching her more than rote memorization. The teacher was always asking, but WHY is 3+1 = 4? The kids had to back up all of their answers with logical reasons, which is super cute on first grade when their language skills are just barely up to the task. But you can see 6 and 7 year olds actually actively doing this. I realize public education can vary wildly, and I have heard plenty of horror stories. Still, I am going to guess this one is home schooled.
Sorry to derail. I think we drove him off anyway.
I think that there are idiots everywhere, regardless what education system.
Quote from: Moralnihilist on June 29, 2014, 04:43:06 PM
I think that there are idiots everywhere, regardless what education system.
True. Just idle curiosity on my part. A solid education that teaches children HOW to think would go a long way toward eradicating this kind of idiocy though, IMO.
That you are a believer is not a problem, that you are an ignorant believer is a minor problem, but that you are 19 and willingly ignorant of the basis constructs of evolution AND refuse to even consider the overwhelming evidence of such, while maintaining an even more ignorant view of your own babble makes you expendable....you have been excused.- aitm
Quote from: Aroura33 on June 29, 2014, 04:32:27 PM
The teacher was always asking, but WHY is 3+1 = 4? The kids had to back up all of their answers with logical reasons
That's actually a good idea. There really is no point in having kids memorize the multiplication tables--everyone does carry around a calculator on them at all time--but they need to understand what is happening--the why--when they plug it into their computer. I know that common core (if it ever gets off the ground without Repubs destroying it) is going to require more critical thinking. I really wish there were more of it. I'd really like schools to spend time teaching how to evaluate sources. It wasn't until college (History mayor) that I was taught how to look for bias is sources, to differentiate between primary, secondary and tertiary sources, ect.
Concerning OP, I don't think that belief is so easily something you choose to do.
Probably already been said but bears repeating; I could pretend to believe in a deity if I wanted to, but in the back of my mind I will always know that since I have found the evidence for it unconvincing, I will actually not really believe. I don't think faith is a matter of choice, just what you have been convinced by. I'm convinced by evidence, others are convinced by the words of others, tough luck.
I'm guessing top of his class at a charter school where god makes it rain and the sun is turned on in the morning and turned off at night like a light switch.
I'm getting sick and tired of these meatbrains avoiding responding to my posts.
Quote from: stromboli on June 29, 2014, 05:44:09 PM
I'm getting sick and tired of these meatbrains avoiding responding to my posts.
Single syllables man you gotta start using single syllable words. Dem big words of yourn sure is confuzing.
Quote from: Moralnihilist on June 29, 2014, 05:55:27 PM
Single syllables man you gotta start using single syllable words. Dem big words of yourn sure is confuzing.
:doh:
Maybe we should text between a pair of boobies so they get interested....
Well, it was fun while it lasted.
Bye, shtiferbrains! Enjoy the ban!
Quote from: aitm on June 29, 2014, 06:03:59 PM
Maybe we should text between a pair of boobies so they get interested....
We tried that! It turned into porn
Quote from: GrinningYMIR on June 29, 2014, 06:07:29 PM
We tried that! It turned into porn
fucking porn driven atheists....thats the matter with this country...too many goddamn athe.....er........never mind.
Yup. We're just a bunch of horny atheists on here haha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TumuI9q6SE
We've had a shit load of these guys lately.
Quote from: SGOS on June 29, 2014, 07:14:29 PM
We've had a shit load of these guys lately.
School is out and all the McDonald's jobs are taken.
You're just not 'open' to new 2000 year old ideas.
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on June 29, 2014, 08:06:24 PM
You're just not 'open' to new 2000 year old ideas.
I tell you this. They're too newfangled for me!!!
Quote from: PickelledEggs on June 29, 2014, 08:14:14 PM
I tell you this. They're too newfangled for me!!!
Well thanks to the miracle of bible-age technology you can read it online.
Oh wait.. Bible-age technology would have prohibited you from even knowing how to read..
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on June 29, 2014, 08:18:39 PM
Well thanks to the miracle of bible-age technology you can read it online.
Oh wait.. Bible-age technology would have prohibited you from even knowing how to read..
Online? Through an e-leck-tronic computer?? Witchcraft!!!
Sent from your mom
And they thought having a book was bad news.. Imagine the shitstorm you'd cause taking a smart phone back to the dark ages..
has anybody seen the serious question yet?
Quote from: aitm on June 29, 2014, 09:55:11 PM
has anybody seen the serious question yet?
Nope. Just a bunch of joke questions.
Serious question. Will you give me all your money for the rest of your life?
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on June 29, 2014, 10:45:53 PM
Serious question. Will you give me all your money for the rest of your life?
say...that would make an excellent title of a song....the verses may be tough but the title......wow!
HEY! I'M BEING SERIOUS DAMMIT! This is no time to fiddle faddle around!
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on June 29, 2014, 10:51:58 PM
HEY! I'M BEING SERIOUS DAMMIT! This is no time to fiddle faddle around!
fiddle faddle,,,,man, that would make a great name for a snack eh? Fiddle Faddle, all I gotta due is come up with a snacky thingie
Fiddle Faddle is serious stuff. People have died choking on it! We should ban the mere mention of Fiddle Faddle to prevent death.
OK..a really serious question.. How many new pair of socks have I purchased in the past 2 years? The correct answer wins an old pair, but you have to pay the shipping cost.
Serious question. Is it ever appropriate to wear socks with sandals? :think:
I like where this thread is going.
Serious question though.
Does this dress make me look fat?
Quote from: PickelledEggs on June 30, 2014, 12:38:39 AM
I like where this thread is going.
Serious question though.
Does this dress make me look fat?
If you really are Stephanie, yes.
I once knew a guy who looked fat wearing a 6 man tent.
lol
Quote from: stromboli on June 30, 2014, 12:28:46 AM
Serious question. Is it ever appropriate to wear socks with sandals? :think:
Serious answer. No, it isn't. EVER.
Serious question:
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
Quote from: PickelledEggs on June 30, 2014, 12:38:39 AM
Serious question though.
Does this dress make me look fat?
Serious answer. No. The dress is not what makes you look fat.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on June 30, 2014, 05:05:47 AM
Serious question:
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
Only if you accidentally the whole thing
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on June 29, 2014, 10:45:53 PM
Serious question. Will you give me all your money for the rest of your life?
God will wash away your Sin! And he'll let you into the golden gates of heaven!
But only if you GIVE ME YOUR MONEY!
Prostrate yourself before his holy image child of light, and GIVE ME YOUR MONEY
With your money I can guarantee your entry into the holy afterlife
So GIVE ME YOUR MONEY
I'm going to assume nobody is entering my old sock lottery. YOU PEOPLE just don't know what you're missing. At least it's actually two MATCHING socks WITHOUT holes.
I might neglect many things in my life, but my feet and socks are not among them.
I am so utterly disappointed and disgusted with everyone for not entering my used sock lottery and just for that I'm not going to stop posting to this thread... EVER! YOU'VE been WARNED!
Oh yeah..my wittle feelings are hurt too.
I've recently come to realize something belief is a choice. You are right. And non-belief is not.
Non-belief is a clean slate, belief is a delusion that you the human decide to participate it.
I have trouble classifying myself as an Atheist because even that, to me, suggests I made a decision somewhere. I didn't "become" an Atheist. Sort of like how I didn't "become" a man.
Belief in anything pollutes the mind. It is evil, because it is a lie. I don't believe in toasters, for example, I know toasters are real because I've used one, seen one, touched one and can prove toasters are real. You believe in God. The sentence ends there. It's unfair to ask non-believers why they don't believe. The burden of proof is on you, the believer. If I walked up to you and said, the boogeyman is under your bed, you look and the boogeyman isn't there, the burden of proof would be on me to prove the boogeyman is there. This, assuming I am convicted just enough about making you see what I see, or believe what I believe.
You don't have proof. Congratulations. You are willing to admit you don't know, but believe what you believe anyway because you choose to believe it. I guess it's sort of like how I will only drive an electric or hybrid vehicle whereas others drive gas guzzling SUVs. Personal choice? Blue v. red, chocolate v. vanilla?
Sadly, most Christians don't see it this way.
I would hope that every thing we are saying would get through but I'm afraid our efforts are lost on the OP. When you are religious you will fight for your belief in it no matter how ridiculous your claims sound. You're determined to believe and for that there is no help.
As for me I am and ex christian and remember being just like him. I wasn't listening back then either I just kept parroting everything I was taught. I couldn't understand how empty and shallow my words really were. Now when I read a bible I feel like I'm reading it clearly now. The lie for what it is a big fat superstitious lie.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on June 29, 2014, 02:15:02 AM
Lack of evidence.
Because the notion of the Judeo/Christian/Islamic (Abrahamic) God does not make logical sense. The theistic God has certain necessary attributes (in order to be considered God at all) that are incompatible. There may concievably be non-theistic gods, but not if they are not logically possible. If it is not logically possible then it does not, in fact, exist.
Incompatible Properties Arguments - A Survey (http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/theodore_drange/incompatible.html) - Theodore Drange