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Title: Plastic Model Building
Post by: Solomon Zorn on June 11, 2014, 07:31:14 AM
It's not nearly as popular as it was in the '70s, but there are still a lot of us out there. :geek:

I've been building Sci-Fi models for about 43 years. Back in 1984, when I was a fanatical Christian, I threw them all in the trash.

I resumed the hobby in 1990, just in time for some interesting kits.

Right now, Sci-Fi models have seen a new resurgence. There are some really great kits out there, both in styrene and in resin.

Here are photos of my collection, broken down into subjects: http://www.solomonzorn.com/models.html  Paul Muad Dib is my Sci-Fi username.

In an online contest, I won first place and editor's choice with this one:
(http://s20.postimg.org/ruico2zb1/01x_Time_Machine_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: SGOS on June 11, 2014, 07:42:43 AM
I used to like putting models of old ships and bi-wing aircraft together.  I didn't get into the cars.  Cars are just cars and not a big deal, but old things, and to some extent, sci-fi models have some interest for me.  I haven't been into that kind of hobby shop for years.  I don't know what's out there right now, but I had fun with it, and I've wondered if I should do a model again, just for old time sake.
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: Solomon Zorn on June 11, 2014, 07:45:31 AM
There's not much Sci-Fi at Hobby Lobby. But they have a lot of military and car models. For Sci-Fi models, you can find a lot of great stuff online. Here's a good place to start: http://www.starshipmodeler.biz/shop/index.cfm
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: Solomon Zorn on June 11, 2014, 08:06:18 AM
Quote from: SGOS on June 11, 2014, 07:42:43 AM
I used to like putting models of old ships and bi-wing aircraft together.  I didn't get into the cars.  Cars are just cars and not a big deal, but old things, and to some extent, sci-fi models have some interest for me.  I haven't been into that kind of hobby shop for years.  I don't know what's out there right now, but I had fun with it, and I've wondered if I should do a model again, just for old time sake.

Back in the day, I built a lot of military models too. Mostly jets and ships + a few tanks.

Recently I found car models of almost all the cars I've owned. So I decided to take a unique approach and do them all to look like my cars did when I last saw them. My Car Junkyard: http://postimg.org/gallery/27wdwfga/ (Note the bird poop on the black TC3)
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: SGOS on June 11, 2014, 10:20:59 AM
I loved the VW Beetle.  I owned three of them.  I went to buy my fourth, but it was their last year, the price was too high, and the new ones had been gutted.  I couldn't believe VW could put a stripped down car like that on the market.  Didn't even have carpet on the floors.  Just bare stamped metal.
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: Shol'va on June 11, 2014, 07:06:25 PM
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on June 11, 2014, 07:45:31 AM
There's not much Sci-Fi at Hobby Lobby.
Goes without saying, right? I doubt the Christian owners are overly fond of HR Ginger dick art, lol.
You have an impressive collection. Love me some Alien stuff. How big is the Space Jockey model?
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: Jutter on June 14, 2014, 10:24:45 AM
Quote from: SGOS on June 11, 2014, 07:42:43 AMI didn't get into the cars.  Cars are just cars and not a big deal
Stuff other than cars/bikes needs to be scaled down further. So the obvious appeal of cars and bikes would be, that you can work on a larger scale, so it becomes easier to make it look realistic down to the small details.
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: SGOS on June 14, 2014, 12:07:54 PM
I would of course make an exception for classic cars, but I can't imagine gluing together a model of a 2014 Ford Fusion.  But anything before 1950 would be kind of fun.
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: Solomon Zorn on June 20, 2014, 06:36:49 PM
Quote from: Shol'va on June 11, 2014, 07:06:25 PM
Goes without saying, right? I doubt the Christian owners are overly fond of HR Ginger dick art, lol.
You have an impressive collection. Love me some Alien stuff. How big is the Space Jockey model?
Hobby lobby drove both of the local hobby shops out of business. Those stores had larger selections of Sci Fi stuff.

The Space Jockey is one of my favorites! It's a vinyl kit that came out in 1992, I think. It's about 10 inches in diameter. The Nostromo was released at the same time.
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: Solomon Zorn on June 20, 2014, 06:43:35 PM
Quote from: drunkenshoe on June 16, 2014, 05:03:51 AM
That is so cool and beautiful. Congrats.
Thanks, Shoe! That was a great episode of Big-Bang Theory. I'd love to have the full sized one. I found an article about the restoration of the original prop, when I was looking online for painting-references.
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: Solomon Zorn on January 27, 2015, 07:14:35 PM
This one is the Colonial Movers ship from Battlestar Galactica's rag tag fleet. It's 3 inches long (7.5cm). Resize the photo as big as you can get it and you can read the words on the side.

(http://s20.postimg.org/6kzsacpbx/02i_Rag_Tag_Fleet_Colonial_Movers.jpg)
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: stromboli on January 27, 2015, 07:59:36 PM
Used to build the Airfix 72nd scale models, but my two all time favorites were the Monogram Fokker Triplane and Sopwith Camel, which were like 32nd scale and quite large. I really liked the WW1 planes the best. I also built tanks and other military equipment.
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: trdsf on January 30, 2015, 04:53:27 PM
You guys are way beyond what I do... great work.  I really need to clear a surface that I can dedicate to (getting back into) modeling.  Still have an ISS to finish.

I completely <3 that Time Machine -- the other classic design for temporal travel.  :)
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: Solomon Zorn on February 03, 2015, 01:28:17 PM
Quote from: trdsf on January 30, 2015, 04:53:27 PMStill have an ISS to finish.
If you get started on it, feel free to post some progress pictures.
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: trdsf on February 04, 2015, 03:20:02 AM
It's still partially buried from my most recent move... gonna have to dig it out.

It's the nice Heller one; bits of it are visible behind my Gemini:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4056/4286829750_1cbd346bdb_z.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/trdsf/4286829750)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4069/4286831594_6ec58b72ed_z.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/trdsf/4286831594)

I don't mind saying you're well more advanced than I.  :)
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: Solomon Zorn on February 04, 2015, 03:38:29 PM
What scale is it? It looks fairly large.

Is that the Revell Gemini? I have that one. I'll have to post pictures. What kind of paint did you use on the Gemini? I used Testors Metallizer Gunmetal.

Found a picture of my Gemini. For the red dashes, I freeze-framed an episode of From the Earth to the Moon, and painted them on by hand.
(http://s20.postimg.org/ux0p8hkql/08b_Gemini.jpg)
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: Solomon Zorn on February 04, 2015, 03:43:07 PM
Now that I look at your model closer, it's not the big one from Revell, but looks to be a 1/72 scale one, judging by the Testors paint jar beside it. Good job on it, except for the silvering on the decals. Did you use a gloss paint or flat?
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: stromboli on February 04, 2015, 04:09:40 PM
Dang it, I ain't got enough interests and now I'm itching to build some of my old models again.

(http://www.britmodeller.com/reviews/revell/fokkerdr1/boxtop.jpg)
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: Solomon Zorn on February 05, 2015, 06:18:03 PM
Online photo references for painting, and other online resources can make things a lot more interesting these days.
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: trdsf on February 05, 2015, 07:52:04 PM
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on February 04, 2015, 03:43:07 PM
Now that I look at your model closer, it's not the big one from Revell, but looks to be a 1/72 scale one, judging by the Testors paint jar beside it. Good job on it, except for the silvering on the decals. Did you use a gloss paint or flat?
Yeah, decals have always given me fits.  I don't recall what paint I used, as that was several years ago.  It was probably whatever the instructions recommended.

Real-world space models are my main interest, with a minor in SF spacecraft.  I'd love to get my hands on that big Discovery from 2001: A Space Odyssey.
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: Solomon Zorn on February 05, 2015, 08:17:57 PM
Quote from: trdsf on February 05, 2015, 07:52:04 PM
Yeah, decals have always given me fits.  I don't recall what paint I used, as that was several years ago.  It was probably whatever the instructions recommended.
The best way to do any finish that includes decals, is by using a gloss color before the decals, then sealing with clear gloss, then if you want a flat finish go over it with a dullcoat, either lacquer based or acrylic.

Quote from: trdsf
Real-world space models are my main interest, with a minor in SF spacecraft.  I'd love to get my hands on that big Discovery from 2001: A Space Odyssey.
That $600 one from Federation Models? That's on my wish list, now that I bought the 4 ft. Valley Forge model (from the 1970's movie SILENT RUNNING, starring Bruce Dern).

Back to your International Space Station model - how accurate is it to the one in orbit? 

Here are my other Real-Space models:
(http://s20.postimg.org/o943lw18d/08d_Apollo_Cutaway.jpg)
(http://s20.postimg.org/mvcgql1z1/08a_Nasa_Collection_Shelf_1.jpg)
The Space Shuttle was built in 1999. The decals on that one didn't turn out so great.
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: Solomon Zorn on February 05, 2015, 09:02:18 PM
This is the Valley Forge from Shapeways. It's four feet long, and minutely detailed. I saved for a year and a half to buy it, and spent about three weeks on building it.

(http://s20.postimg.org/5ds8jsjwd/100_3730.jpg)


The awesome domes were screen printed, by the maker, with the latticework, then vacuformed.
(http://s20.postimg.org/vjew8layl/100_3720.jpg)


The large white area is a simple chunk of nicely molded resin. The antenna array and some other tiny details were done in photo-etch.
(http://s20.postimg.org/4gltax8e5/100_3733.jpg)


The bizarrely complex orange geometrical structure, was produced in segments which were formed individually on a 3D printer, because there is no practical way to make them from a mold. The little orange triangles on the polyhedrons were all painted by hand, and took about five days.
(http://s20.postimg.org/tk2vux60t/100_3734.jpg)
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: kilodelta on February 05, 2015, 09:11:55 PM
That's pretty sweet.
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: trdsf on February 06, 2015, 02:57:45 AM
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on February 05, 2015, 08:17:57 PM
The best way to do any finish that includes decals, is by using a gloss color before the decals, then sealing with clear gloss, then if you want a flat finish go over it with a dullcoat, either lacquer based or acrylic.
That $600 one from Federation Models? That's on my wish list, now that I bought the 4 ft. Valley Forge model (from the 1970's movie SILENT RUNNING, starring Bruce Dern).

Back to your International Space Station model - how accurate is it to the one in orbit?

Until they slashed the funding on it, it was going to be accurate so far as I know.  I believe the model has parts that were scheduled for the ISS at the time the model was released, but have since been eliminated.  I'm torn between building it the way it was intended to be, or the way it actually was.

I think Heller is currently marketing it as Mission Jules Verne; it's 1:125 and includes the Jules Verne ATV and an Ariane as well as the station.  The online consensus seems to be that Revell's 1:144 model is more accurate, though, but I think that's relative to the Mission Jules Verne version.  I don't know about the original.

That Valley Forge is gorgeous.  Yeah, the $600 Discovery is on my lottery list.  I may get the smaller $125 one, but I've never done resin modeling and that's a lot of money to throw at a "okay, time to learn this skillset" project.

I'm awful drooly over Dragon's 1:72 Saturn V with Skylab, too... it's on sale right now, and I'm broke.  Feh.
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: Solomon Zorn on February 06, 2015, 08:35:34 AM
Quote from: trdsf on February 06, 2015, 02:57:45 AM
Yeah, the $600 Discovery is on my lottery list.  I may get the smaller $125 one, but I've never done resin modeling and that's a lot of money to throw at a "okay, time to learn this skillset" project.

I'm awful drooly over Dragon's 1:72 Saturn V with Skylab, too... it's on sale right now, and I'm broke.  Feh.
I would wait till you can afford the big one. It'll be a lot more pleasant when you're researching the paint scheme, by freeze-framing the movie, to be able to notice all the accurate little details instead of noting the flaws. Which is the great thing about resin: there is no limit to the fine detailing that can be cast into the parts.

Keep in mind whichever one you get you're going to want a display case. I should have invested the money on one for the Valley Forge. It's all covered with dust now, and just like the Discovery would be, it's impossible to dust. I'll have to have someone hold it in the shower, while I rinse it down. It's the only way to get the smoke buildup off.


I have this one started. At 9 inches in diameter, it's a very difficult model. Possibly the hardest I've built.
The 2001 Space Station:
(http://www.fantastic-plastic.com/2001SSV-1.jpg)

(http://www.fantastic-plastic.com/2001SSV-2.jpg)

Pictures are from someone's finished build at the Fantastic Plastic website.
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: Solomon Zorn on May 05, 2016, 07:55:03 AM
Just sold a 23" Eagle Transporter replica, that I bought some years back. With the money, I bought some new models.

The one I am working on now, is a 28" Star Destroyer, from Star Wars. It's a resin kit, and takes a lot of extra work, straightening the warped parts.

Not only is it huge, the tiny detail on it is astounding.

Here is a picture of the top half of the hull, in progress:
(http://s20.postimg.org/iv2qysni5/100_6137.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/6t7d4ne9l/full/)
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: Mike Cl on May 05, 2016, 09:58:11 AM
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on May 05, 2016, 07:55:03 AM
Just sold a 23" Eagle Transporter replica, that I bought some years back. With the money, I bought some new models.

The one I am working on now, is a 28" Star Destroyer, from Star Wars. It's a resin kit, and takes a lot of extra work, straightening the warped parts.

Not only is it huge, the tiny detail on it is astounding.

Here is a picture of the top half of the hull, in progress:
(http://s20.postimg.org/iv2qysni5/100_6137.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/6t7d4ne9l/full/)

Wow!  Your work is astounding.

I flash back to my childhood, where I spent my allowance (75 cents every two weeks) on models of tanks and other military vehicles.  My most involved modeling adventure was creating a battle diorama of burnt tanks, dead soldiers and other equipment strewn around a tiny battlefield.  Did the damage with just plain old matches.  The plastic of the day burnt quite quickly, so I had to be on my toes to blow those flames out. :)
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: Solomon Zorn on May 05, 2016, 11:48:00 AM
I don't think I ever melted any of my own models, when I was a kid, but my best friend used to steal his brothers military models and burn them behind the shed. Of course, that's a little more destructive than what you were doing with the matches.
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: trdsf on May 07, 2016, 03:57:41 AM
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on May 05, 2016, 07:55:03 AM
Just sold a 23" Eagle Transporter replica, that I bought some years back. With the money, I bought some new models.

The one I am working on now, is a 28" Star Destroyer, from Star Wars. It's a resin kit, and takes a lot of extra work, straightening the warped parts.

Not only is it huge, the tiny detail on it is astounding.

Here is a picture of the top half of the hull, in progress:
(http://s20.postimg.org/iv2qysni5/100_6137.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/6t7d4ne9l/full/)
I am well and truly envious.  You do brilliant work.
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: Solomon Zorn on May 07, 2016, 05:34:30 AM
Quote from: trdsf on May 07, 2016, 03:57:41 AM
I am well and truly envious.  You do brilliant work.
I don't know about that... :shucks:

This thing is giving me fits! I can't, with all my 47 years of experience, get the fucking edge straight! It's such a beautifully mastered kit, but it's a son-of-a-bitch to assemble. The parts are mostly warped with age. But it's a very rare kit, that was produced without a license around 2010. They got a Cease and Desist order almost immediately, and stopped making them.

There was a huge gap, between the main superstructure and the forward superstructure, that I had to fill in with "detail." Those little white bits are what I added, after closing the gap with peices of styrene:
(http://s20.postimg.org/l1k0q09vh/100_6141.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/aeq7kl1q1/full/)
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: drunkenshoe on May 07, 2016, 05:44:17 AM
 :syda: It's brilliant. To me someone having that patience alone is brilliance itself.
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: Solomon Zorn on May 07, 2016, 05:53:22 AM
Quote from: drunkenshoe on May 07, 2016, 05:44:17 AM
:syda: It's brilliant. To me someone having that patience alone is brilliance itself.
Thanks, Shoe.  :kiss:

I've been building models since I was 3 years old. People often credit me with being patient. I don't think of it so much as patience, but rather impatience to have the thing in my possession, as a fully realized icon, from one of my favorite movie memories. And the only way to have it, is to build it from a kit, or pay someone else to. If I could afford to pay someone to do it for me, I probably would. :wink:
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: drunkenshoe on May 07, 2016, 06:37:58 AM
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on May 07, 2016, 05:53:22 AM
Thanks, Shoe.  :kiss:

I've been building models since I was 3 years old. People often credit me with being patient. I don't think of it so much as patience, but rather impatience to have the thing in my possession, as a fully realized icon, from one of my favorite movie memories. And the only way to have it, is to build it from a kit, or pay someone else to. If I could afford to pay someone to do it for me, I probably would. :wink:

3 years old? LOL figures.

I am desultory in general. :sad2: I think that is the word. I got a Da Vinci ornitopther -it is a very very easy piece for people like you- from American Museum of Natural History and it still sits in the shelf. May be  I need someone enthusiastic about these things to do it together. Myeh.




Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: Solomon Zorn on May 07, 2016, 11:46:52 AM
Quote from: drunkenshoe on May 07, 2016, 06:37:58 AM
...I got a Da Vinci ornitopther -it is a very very easy piece for people like you- from American Museum of Natural History and it still sits in the shelf. May be  I need someone enthusiastic about these things to do it together. Myeh.
That, and some glue! :wink:
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: Solomon Zorn on May 15, 2016, 03:40:09 PM
Finished it yesterday! Now I need a mirror to hang on the wall behind it.

(http://s20.postimg.org/d4abjqfb1/000_0007.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/6ql8ghaex/full/)


(http://s20.postimg.org/ssbiqiuwt/000_0008.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/lp3nawph5/full/)

(http://s20.postimg.org/tgkd9gtml/000_0012.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/8jo54svll/full/)

Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: trdsf on May 15, 2016, 09:30:43 PM
That's just epic.  :D
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: Solomon Zorn on May 17, 2016, 03:51:19 PM

I added an "in-scale" Princess Leia's ship to the display.
(http://s20.postimg.org/m3e61zocd/000_0014_1.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/t6m1hltrt/full/)




Here's most of the Star Wars section of my museum(living room). It takes up the top shelves of each of several display stands.
(http://s20.postimg.org/3rnikufp9/000_0016.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/9fttbqk1l/full/)

(http://s20.postimg.org/gght4iltp/000_0018.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/r3bm9xtyx/full/)
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: Mike Cl on May 17, 2016, 10:50:41 PM
I guess it would be safe to say that you are a Star Wars fan????  I live only 35 miles from Modesto, the home of the guru that crafted this tale.  I could easily scoop up so Modesto soil and ship it to you! :))
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: Solomon Zorn on May 18, 2016, 06:00:05 PM
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 17, 2016, 10:50:41 PM
I guess it would be safe to say that you are a Star Wars fan????  I live only 35 miles from Modesto, the home of the guru that crafted this tale.  I could easily scoop up so Modesto soil and ship it to you! :))
I'm a life-long sci-fi fan. It started at the age of two, watching Star Trek, in it's original run, with my dad. I used to soak up every bit of campy, B-movie, sci-fi that I could get - all the old black and white stuff, and everything that followed. When Star Wars came out, is was more profound to me, than the second coming of Christ. Then Alien came out in 1979, and took it to a new level(The set's were off the scale of awe, at the time)... But I digress. Not interested in soil, even if it's in old George's underwear. :wink:
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: Mike Cl on May 18, 2016, 06:37:10 PM
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on May 18, 2016, 06:00:05 PM
I'm a life-long sci-fi fan. It started at the age of two, watching Star Trek, in it's original run, with my dad. I used to soak up every bit of campy, B-movie, sci-fi that I could get - all the old black and white stuff, and everything that followed. When Star Wars came out, is was more profound to me, than the second coming of Christ. Then Alien came out in 1979, and took it to a new level(The set's were off the scale of awe, at the time)... But I digress. Not interested in soil, even if it's in old George's underwear. :wink:
Glad you are not interested in soil--I don't not do night soil at any rate. :))

I'm a life time sci-fi fan as well.  But I kept my addiction to books and movies--mainly books.  Started at an early age with Tom Swift--read most of those.  Then found Edger Rice Burroughs, John Carter of Mars, series--read them all.  Oh, yeah, I did make the chess game from the Chessmen of Mars.  That was fun.
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: drunkenshoe on May 19, 2016, 07:01:55 AM
I want that, you crazy-ass geek! It's beautiful, Zorn.

And we use the subgenre term 'space opera' for Star Wars, not 'sci-fi'. Space Odyssey 2001 is defined as sci fi, Blade Runner is sci-fi, Star Wars is space opera. *Throws hair. :tongue:






Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: SGOS on May 19, 2016, 09:06:00 AM
Well Solomon, I haven't put a model together for ages.  I used to it all the time, mostly old bi-wing airplanes that I would hang from my bedroom ceiling, creating an international dog fight.  I didn't care what nation the planes actually represented, as long as that together they provided a feel of chaos in the sky.  Now I'm into boats, and you've got me thinking about a huge model of a 18th century three masted "ship of the line" that must have cost an adult friend a Hell of a lot of money just to buy the kit, and which was housed in a three and a half foot long glass case in his living room.  I have no idea what the kit cost, but I'd pay his daughter who inherited it a thousand dollars and feel like I stole it.  It must have taken a year to put together.  I'm not sure I have the patience to build it myself.  As I recall, it was made of wood.
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: SGOS on May 19, 2016, 09:33:24 AM
I guess you can just go out and buy one, although it's not as personal:

(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k189/Talaria_42/sovereign_zpsqnd4pjye.jpg)
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: Solomon Zorn on May 19, 2016, 09:52:56 AM
Quote from: Mike ClI'm a life time sci-fi fan as well.  But I kept my addiction to books and movies--mainly books.  Started at an early age with Tom Swift--read most of those.  Then found Edger Rice Burroughs, John Carter of Mars, series--read them all.  Oh, yeah, I did make the chess game from the Chessmen of Mars.  That was fun.
I read a few of Buroughs' John Carter novels when I was a kid. In the 70's, had the comic book series as well. I once found an action figure of the four-armed green guy, in a used-toy resale bin, long before the Disney movie came out. Don't know if there was a series of them, or what. I haven't seen the movie yet, but I've read a few reviews that were very positive.
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: Solomon Zorn on May 19, 2016, 10:50:25 AM
Quote from: drunkenshoeI want that, you crazy-ass geek! It's beautiful, Zorn.
Thanks, Shoe. If I had the ambition to build another one, I could probably get some pretty good money for it. :dance: It's built from an unlicensed kit, that was only produced for a very short time, before they got a Cease and Desist order from somebody's lawyer. The kit is pretty hard to find now, and cost's twice the original price.

Quote from: drunkenshoeAnd we use the subgenre term 'space opera' for Star Wars, not 'sci-fi'. Space Odyssey 2001 is defined as sci fi, Blade Runner is sci-fi, Star Wars is space opera. *Throws hair. :tongue:
I usually call it "Science Fantasy", but "Space Opera" works for me.

You don't think it's might be considered a sub-genre, though? I usually think of it that way. It uses a fantastic type of science, but it still tries to give natural explanations for whatever technology or phenomenon it describes. Like how the Force is supposed to be an energy field influenced by microscopic organisms, present in greater numbers in Force-sensitive individuals. Much more believable than magic spells. I think that's why most people still refer to Star Wars, and the like, as Sci-Fi. :think:


Interestingly, the term Sci-Fi was coined by Forrest J. Akerman, whose "Akermuseum," with all it's awesome movie props, was the inspiration for my apartment. Mine is the poor-man's version though, of course. If I get some batteries for my camera, I will post some more pictures.

Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: Solomon Zorn on May 19, 2016, 11:03:01 AM
Quote from: SGOS on May 19, 2016, 09:06:00 AM
Well Solomon, I haven't put a model together for ages.  I used to it all the time, mostly old bi-wing airplanes that I would hang from my bedroom ceiling, creating an international dog fight.  I didn't care what nation the planes actually represented, as long as that together they provided a feel of chaos in the sky.  Now I'm into boats, and you've got me thinking about a huge model of a 18th century three masted "ship of the line" that must have cost an adult friend a Hell of a lot of money just to buy the kit, and which was housed in a three and a half foot long glass case in his living room.  I have no idea what the kit cost, but I'd pay his daughter who inherited it a thousand dollars and feel like I stole it.  It must have taken a year to put together.  I'm not sure I have the patience to build it myself.  As I recall, it was made of wood.
When I was a kid, most models were cheap, and I built a ton of military models. WWI, WWII, and "modern" era fighters, bombers, helicopters, warships and tanks.

That boat, that's advertised, probably isn't nearly as lovingly detailed as your friend's.
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: SGOS on May 19, 2016, 11:43:47 AM
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on May 19, 2016, 11:03:01 AM
That boat, that's advertised, probably isn't nearly as lovingly detailed as your friend's.

I was thinking the same thing, but you can't tell from the picture.  The most fascinating part of my friend's model was the detail.  You could study it for a long time and keep finding an odd coil of rope hanging on a peg, an over turned bucket next to a mop, or some interesting detail that doesn't add anything to the overall concept when viewing it from across the room.  But up close, those little details when discovered each provided a little thrill of excitement or at least a thrill of appreciation for the work of art.
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: SGOS on May 19, 2016, 11:45:44 AM
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on May 19, 2016, 11:03:01 AM
When I was a kid, most models were cheap

Which was the only reason we could afford them to begin with.
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: drunkenshoe on May 19, 2016, 12:07:39 PM
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on May 19, 2016, 10:50:25 AM
You don't think it's might be considered a sub-genre, though? I usually think of it that way.

Yep, that's what I said. Star Wars is the subgenre's best example, while Star Trek is sci-fi. (I love them both, so I am not batting for any fandom, trust me, lol)

QuoteIt uses a fantastic type of science, but it still tries to give natural explanations for whatever technology or phenomenon it describes. Like how the Force is supposed to be an energy field influenced by microscopic organisms, present in greater numbers in Force-sensitive individuals. Much more believable than magic spells. I think that's why most people still refer to Star Wars, and the like, as Sci-Fi. :think: Interestingly, the term Sci-Fi was coined by Forrest J. Akerman, whose "Akermuseum," with all it's awesome movie props, was the inspiration for my apartment. Mine is the poor-man's version though, of course. If I get some batteries for my camera, I will post some more pictures.

You explained it yourself better. It's the fantasy bit that makes it a space opera and put it to the subgenre. Call me a pedant, but defining Star Wars as sci-fi is not correct, imo.

About the tendency to call it sci-fi in daily language, I think it is the result of fantasy genre becoming dominant over many others. Because as far as I observed new generations use the terms randomly according to their theme. Like if there is space and high tech in it, they want to call it a 'sci-fi' and if it has 'historical' or may be it is better to say certain 'primitive' characteristics, they want to call it fantasy. But neither science fiction, nor fantasy is that simple as you know. The nuances are lost -as it happens in many things- and in the end if it is not something from real life it becomes fantasy. The English term aside, science fiction is really old.

But if you ask how do you make the distinction? I'd tell you that using high tech gandets or scientific concepts are not enough to make a work sci-fi, that it should convey a certain understanding; a web of ideas that would open a new horizon. That's why I'm personally strict about it. I also believe that being born after Jules Vernes we all bear that responsibility -mad geek mode on, lol. After him, Asimov, Wells, Clarke just to name a few, it is just not fair to call Star Wars sci-fi. That never means putting it down. It means putting it where it belongs.





Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: Mike Cl on May 19, 2016, 12:33:16 PM
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on May 19, 2016, 09:52:56 AM
I read a few of Buroughs' John Carter novels when I was a kid. In the 70's, had the comic book series as well. I once found an action figure of the four-armed green guy, in a used-toy resale bin, long before the Disney movie came out. Don't know if there was a series of them, or what. I haven't seen the movie yet, but I've read a few reviews that were very positive.
I'll date myself--read the entire series while in HS in the mid 60's.  I never say any toys about the books, tho.  Saw the movie and I'd grade it a C--not what I had pictured in my mind for either John Carter or his Princess. 
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: Solomon Zorn on June 08, 2016, 05:38:20 PM
Here's another I just finished. Took about 12 hours, or so.
(http://s20.postimg.org/8lzr2wid9/000_0001_2.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/yuavsa2gp/full/)

(http://s20.postimg.org/ntfqn9a7x/000_0002_2.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/4ochdhvjt/full/)

(http://s20.postimg.org/6dgz7tlvh/000_0003_2.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/xbaw9k6ih/full/)
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: Solomon Zorn on June 08, 2016, 06:03:21 PM
Quote from: drunkenshoe on May 19, 2016, 12:07:39 PMBut if you ask how do you make the distinction? I'd tell you that using high tech gandets or scientific concepts are not enough to make a work sci-fi, that it should convey a certain understanding; a web of ideas that would open a new horizon. That's why I'm personally strict about it. I also believe that being born after Jules Vernes we all bear that responsibility -mad geek mode on, lol. After him, Asimov, Wells, Clarke just to name a few, it is just not fair to call Star Wars sci-fi. That never means putting it down. It means putting it where it belongs.
I'm surprised that you include H.G. Wells. I've read a few of his works: The Invisible Man, The time Machine, The Island of Dr. Moreau, and The Days of the Comet. I usually consider him sci-fantasy.

For science fiction, I really like Robert Heinlein, Frederick Pohl, and Frank Herbert, in addition to the ones you named.
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: NicholasCatrow on September 04, 2016, 03:14:51 PM
I don't know about that...  :shucks: (https://meetwife.com/blog/category-pick-up-russian-woman/post-how-to-find-a-russian-wife/)

This thing is giving me fits! I can't, with all my 47 years of experience, get the fucking edge straight! It's such a beautifully mastered kit, but it's a son-of-a-bitch to assemble. The parts are mostly warped with age. But it's a very rare kit, that was produced without a license around 2010. They got a Cease and Desist order almost immediately, and stopped making them.
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: Solomon Zorn on September 05, 2016, 07:35:59 AM
Quote from: IThis thing is giving me fits! I can't, with all my 47 years of experience, get the fucking edge straight! It's such a beautifully mastered kit, but it's a son-of-a-bitch to assemble. The parts are mostly warped with age. But it's a very rare kit, that was produced without a license around 2010. They got a Cease and Desist order almost immediately, and stopped making them.

Quote from: NicholasCatrow on September 04, 2016, 03:14:51 PM
I don't know about that...:shucks:

About which part, Nicholas? The rarity? I don't know the numbers, but I think it was a pretty small production-run.
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: Mike Cl on September 05, 2016, 08:48:13 AM
Quote from: NicholasCatrow on September 04, 2016, 03:14:51 PM
I don't know about that...  :shucks: (https://meetwife.com/blog/category-pick-up-russian-woman/post-how-to-find-a-russian-wife/)

This thing is giving me fits! I can't, with all my 47 years of experience, get the fucking edge straight! It's such a beautifully mastered kit, but it's a son-of-a-bitch to assemble. The parts are mostly warped with age. But it's a very rare kit, that was produced without a license around 2010. They got a Cease and Desist order almost immediately, and stopped making them.
So, Nicholas, do you have a Russian wife?  Was she a model???  Was she hard to put together?
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: drunkenshoe on September 05, 2016, 09:21:48 AM
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on June 08, 2016, 06:03:21 PM
I'm surprised that you include H.G. Wells.

Yeah he is sci-fi.
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: Mike Cl on September 05, 2016, 12:19:50 PM
Quote from: NicholasCatrow on September 04, 2016, 03:14:51 PM
I don't know about that...  :shucks: (https://meetwife.com/blog/category-pick-up-russian-woman/post-how-to-find-a-russian-wife/)

This thing is giving me fits! I can't, with all my 47 years of experience, get the fucking edge straight! It's such a beautifully mastered kit, but it's a son-of-a-bitch to assemble. The parts are mostly warped with age. But it's a very rare kit, that was produced without a license around 2010. They got a Cease and Desist order almost immediately, and stopped making them.
Did anybody else click on the 'shucks' guy?
Title: Re: Plastic Model Building
Post by: Solomon Zorn on September 05, 2016, 04:22:52 PM
Quote from: Solomon Zorn
I'm surprised that you include H.G. Wells. I've read a few of his works: The Invisible Man, The time Machine, The Island of Dr. Moreau, and The Days of the Comet. I usually consider him sci-fantasy.
Quote from: drunkenshoe
Yeah he is sci-fi.
If Invisible Man is in, I think, Star Wars is in, because they both use fantastic-science, rather than hard science, but explain it with natural cause and effect, rather than the supernatural.( BSG I would call sci-fantasy, because of the supernatural element.) In fact The Time Machine uses fantastic-science as well.

If I can change the subject, have you read any Robert Heinlein, Frederick Pohl, or Frank Herbert? I've probably read more Asimov, than any other science fiction author. Just a smattering of Clarke though.