People can find fault with anything and they usually do. The idea that you can count on people to act in their own best interests is not always the case. People are easily fooled.
But the tremendous attack going on by homos and atheists and secularists and non-Christians against Christian hegemony in America is poorly thought out.
If Christianity were to vanish from off the face of the earth all that is of beauty and reason will also vanish. If Christianity is no more then all that is of compassion and sacred and ethical will also slip away
At some point culture and civilization will also disappear and slowly humanity would revert back to a premordial existence of nothing more than a form of bestial vegetation ;and in time life itself would disappear and once again the earth would mindlessly orbit the sun ,devoid of meaning,devoid of purpose.
Be careful what you pray for ;you just may get it!
My hindu friend is a nice guy, he was raised in India, and never met Christians growing up
Care to explain how that is possible
I guess everyone has a hindu friend or a chinese one or even a Jewish friend.
And ,if that's really the case with you ,or just to make your point that there're good others in the world ;I stated that this degeneration would be slow in coming. I should've emphasized slowly..
The Christian faith represents the moral compass that humanity lives by;if not, then Christianity is just another faith system.
Hindus and other people get their sense of morality and sacredness from Christianity; whether or not they understand how they are influenced.
Remove the influence and you can see what is going on in Pakistan and India . And this is really commonplace and has only ameliorated recently thanks to the Christian world watching and setting standards.
The whole world gravitates toward these standards whether they know it or not.
Islam and judaism would be far worse without the exposure to Christian morality and thinking in the world.
Quote from: Contemporary Protestant on June 03, 2014, 09:44:05 PM
My hindu friend is a nice guy, he was raised in India, and never met Christians growing up
Care to explain how that is possible
Nice point CP....nearly 60% of the world doesn't believe in the bullshittery of christianity and yet....civilization just goes on...gotta hate that eh?
I dont hate it, if anything it reinforces my belief that there is some good in the world
The fact that good people exist everywhere regardless of background is a good thing
QuoteAt some point culture and civilization will also disappear and slowly humanity would revert back to a premordial existence of nothing more than a form of bestial vegetation ;and in time life itself would disappear and once again the earth would mindlessly orbit the sun ,devoid of meaning,devoid of purpose.
science agrees with most of that....in time humanity will probably die off and the earth will be swallowed by the sun....have a nice day.
So does this make gutsman's ass an official chew toy?
Quote from: Contemporary Protestant on June 03, 2014, 09:57:16 PM
I dont hate it, if anything it reinforces my belief that there is some good in the world
The fact that good people exist everywhere regardless of background is a good thing
there is a lot more good than there is bad....good doesn't sell newspapers as well as bad.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on June 03, 2014, 09:57:42 PM
So does this make gutsman's ass an official chew toy?
I doubt very much that it will even rate a toy status.
agreed
however I think the smaller amount of bad is extremely toxic and does a lot of harm
like a little radioactive material is very dangerous but majority of elements in nature are stable
Quote from: aitm on June 03, 2014, 09:54:46 PM
Nice point CP....nearly 60% of the world doesn't believe in the bullshittery of christianity and yet....civilization just goes on...gotta hate that eh?
so did the aztec religion and civilization go on and on without christianity, want to live as an aztec and have your heart ripped out?
So all those centuries that happened before xtianity and all the countries, cultures and societies that aren't xtian, some of which predate xtianity, are all failures? China managed to operated for centuries without xtianity. so did the Greeks, Romans and a few other cultures.
Did you fail history or something?
I have found a lot more beauty and wisdom outside of xtianity than my 18 years as a member. If you think xtianity is the zenith of what culture is, you really have a lot to learn.
Quote from: Art Axmann on June 03, 2014, 10:13:07 PM
so did the aztec religion and civilization go on and on without christianity, want to live as an aztec and have your heart ripped out?
Aztec civilization still exists. In fact it's the aztecs that are in charge of the government and actually pull the string for the pope.
Illuminati, mannnnn illuminatiiiiiiiiiiiii :lol:
Australian Aborigines have existed without any exposure to the modern world
Quote from: Contemporary Protestant on June 03, 2014, 10:15:36 PM
Australian Aborigines have existed without any exposure to the modern world
so ,that's where you want humanity to be ,at the level of the aborigine?
you can't be that blind or are you just looking to raise ire?
Fix quote tag - Jason H
Quote from: Art Axmann on June 03, 2014, 10:13:07 PM
so did the aztec religion and civilization go on and on without christianity, want to live as an aztec and have your heart ripped out?
oh, please forgive me. I thought as you found a way to operate a computer and manipulate your way to an atheist forum that perhaps you had a modicum of historical knowledge. Obviously you're an ignorant ass.
QuoteThe Christian faith represents the moral compass that humanity lives by;if not, then Christianity is just another faith system.
Hindus and other people get their sense of morality and sacredness from Christianity; whether or not they understand how they are influenced.
Which moral compass are we talking about? The one pursuing and punishing witches in Liberia? The one punishing and imprisoning gays in Nigeria? the pogroms conducted by the Eastern Orthodox against the Jews, the Spanish Inquisition, the genocidal attacks agains various native tribes in the Americas? The enslaving of native peoples by the Dominicans? You need to be specific.
My point is, that mankind can survive without christianity, Adam and eve were not jews, were not christians, but God still loved them
Sorry but I think you're being ethnocentric
Quote from: Contemporary Protestant on June 03, 2014, 09:57:16 PM
I dont hate it, if anything it reinforces my belief that there is some good in the world
The fact that good people exist everywhere regardless of background is a good thing
You want some more judaism in the world... here take some..
THE TALMUD KNOWS!!!One People, Two Worlds: A Reform Rabbi and an Orthodox Rabbi ... - Google Books Result
books.google.com/books?isbn=0307489094
Ammiel Hirsch, Yaakov Yosef Reinman - ‎2009 - 271 pages
You quote the Talmud's statement (Shabbat 152a) that a woman is like a “jug full
... There is a [beraita] teaching: 'A woman is like a jug full of excrement whose ...blood seeps from the opening..
Context, author, facts about author, original language, if you will please provide this info
Nobody gives a shit about your quoting Rabbinical scripture. It proves nothing. We quote the Old Testament and New Testament just to show how screwed up your religion is. If anything, you reinforced it. Judaism is the parent of xtianity.
Quote from: aitm on June 03, 2014, 10:19:58 PM
oh, please forgive me. I thought as you found a way to operate a computer and manipulate your way to an atheist forum that perhaps you had a modicum of historical knowledge. Obviously you're an ignorant ass.
Aztec Sacrifices
Aztec sacrifices were an important aspect of the Aztec religion. At the root of these Aztec rituals was the belief that the gods needed to be nourished by human beings. This was accomplished through human blood. A part of the Aztec religion, therefore, was to participate in bloodletting, which is intentionally harming and drawing blood from the body. Those who were higher in status within the Aztec religion were expected to give the most blood during these Aztec rituals.
The Aztec gods and goddesses also required the living hearts of humans for nourishment. All hearts were good, but the bravest captives were considered to be particularly nourishing to the Aztec gods. As a result, widespread warring took place as the Aztec people sought to bring captives back to the Aztec temples for sacrifice.
Sometimes, those practicing the Aztec religion sacrificed just one person. At other times, hundreds or even thousands of captives were sacrificed at a time.
I don't care at all if you mock me ;you in fact are only making an idiot out of yourself kid.
Quote from: Contemporary Protestant on June 03, 2014, 10:21:18 PM
Adam and eve were not jews, were not christians, but God still loved them
of course he loved them....and then he cursed them forever and their childrens children forever.....because, you know,,,thats what one does when they love someone.....
Quote from: aitm on June 03, 2014, 10:31:38 PM
of course he loved them....and then he cursed them forever and their childrens children forever.....because, you know,,,thats what one does when they love someone.....
care to back those statements up? original language context and the thinking of the original author?
you first
Quote from: Art Axmann on June 03, 2014, 10:31:29 PM
Aztec Sacrifices
No moron, that you would pick the Aztecs to use as an example, (they ripped out hearts of living people of my) instead of christians who disemboweled people, who stuck people on a eight foot long pole stuck through their ass until it came out their throat, or used a pair of steel tongs to spread a vagina to the point of ripping enough to stick a rat inside.....oh my those Aztecs were so evil....you dumb fuck. Christians were the most EVIL of all humanity. A fucking disease that has spread but not enough, thank the goodness of the rest of humanity.
Quote from: Art Axmann on June 03, 2014, 10:34:01 PM
care to back those statements up? original language context and the thinking of the original author?
yeah, its called the fucking babble, read it moron.
Quote from: Contemporary Protestant on June 03, 2014, 10:25:31 PM
Context, author, facts about author, original language, if you will please provide this info
You know something pal. I'm laughing my head off at your lack of knowledge. Where did you come from ?
Where do you work at SEARS automotive ,changing flats ?
I host parties, thats my job
Quote from: Art Axmann on June 03, 2014, 10:37:33 PM
You know something pal. I'm laughing my head off at your lack of knowledge. Where did you come from ?
Where do you work at SEARS automotive ,changing flats ?
Yeah, and look at you, pretending to be all high schooly by asking "author, original language" because you know, you've never actually read the fucking babble. Idiot.
QuoteRomans 5:12 - Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Quote“Due to the sin nature received from Adam, death is coming for all since all have sinned (Romans 3:23).â€
So you didn't study history and didn't read the bible?
Bed time for me Strom,,,have some fun with this idjit
Quote from: aitm on June 03, 2014, 10:45:03 PM
Bed time for me Strom,,,have some fun with this idjit
Thanks. I'm about 2 posts away from ignore.
Quote from: Contemporary Protestant on June 03, 2014, 10:39:27 PM
I host parties, thats my job
O.K. so you are a very sick person.. and you hate giving up your perversions and so the only thing left to do is attack the one thing standing in your way but could also save your life.
I started by saying that not everyone acts according to their own best interests.
And that's true in your case. Be a statistic at the CDC .. record keeping outfit. I don't care.. "Someday a cure will come ..someday over the rainbow a cure will fly..".
How is hosting a party not in my best interest? Im 17 and I get cash tips, thats a good deal
Quote from: Art Axmann on June 03, 2014, 10:48:21 PM
O.K. so you are a very sick person.. and you hate giving up your perversions and so the only thing left to do is attack the one thing standing in your way but could also save your life.
I started by saying that not everyone acts according to their own best interests.
And that's true in your case. Be a statistic at the CDC .. record keeping outfit. I don't care.. "Someday a cure will come ..someday over the rainbow a cure will fly..".
So what are you then? All I've seen so far is a lot of judgmental bullshit. "Matt. 7:1 Judge not lest ye be judged."
:popcorn:
Quote from: stromboli on June 03, 2014, 11:28:54 PM
I think he's allergic to popcorn.....
I guess we're even. I'm allergic to nuts. :lol:
Quote from: Art Axmann on June 03, 2014, 09:38:00 PM
People can find fault with anything and they usually do. The idea that you can count on people to act in their own best interests is not always the case. People are easily fooled.
But the tremendous attack going on by homos and atheists and secularists and non-Christians against Christian hegemony in America is poorly thought out.
If Christianity were to vanish from off the face of the earth all that is of beauty and reason will also vanish. If Christianity is no more then all that is of compassion and sacred and ethical will also slip away
At some point culture and civilization will also disappear and slowly humanity would revert back to a premordial existence of nothing more than a form of bestial vegetation ;and in time life itself would disappear and once again the earth would mindlessly orbit the sun ,devoid of meaning,devoid of purpose.
Be careful what you pray for ;you just may get it!
The world got along just fine before Christianity came in and fucked the world up the ass, and it will continue getting along fine when Christianity is no longer around to commit said fuckery.
Art, you're a fucking moron. Don't take it personally. It's just the way it is. I didn't make the rules.
Christianity is a rather young religion. Many religions have existed before it, and civilization chugged along. In the meantime, many of the major advancements in human progress have recieved significant protests from churches. Christianity has been readily used as a tool of oppression time and time again throughout its 2000 year run. If you can convince people that what you are doing is holy and that only those against God would be opposed then you can get away with anything.
tl;dr - you're a fucking moron if you think that removing Christianity will lead to an anomie.
(http://lwtc247.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/get-a-brain-morans.jpg)
Quote from: The Skeletal Atheist on June 04, 2014, 03:20:46 AM
Christianity is a rather young religion. Many religions have existed before it, and civilization chugged along. In the meantime, many of the major advancements in human progress have recieved significant protests from churches. Christianity has been readily used as a tool of oppression time and time again throughout its 2000 year run. If you can convince people that what you are doing is holy and that only those against God would be opposed then you can get away with anything.
tl;dr - you're a fucking moron if you think that removing Christianity will lead to an anomie.
Contemporary Protestant called him ethnocentric. I think stupid is closer. He really has no understanding of culture, religion, society or anything else.
Quote from: Art Axmann on June 03, 2014, 09:38:00 PM
People can find fault with anything and they usually do. The idea that you can count on people to act in their own best interests is not always the case. People are easily fooled.
But the tremendous attack going on by homos and atheists and secularists and non-Christians against Christian hegemony in America is poorly thought out.
If Christianity were to vanish from off the face of the earth all that is of beauty and reason will also vanish. If Christianity is no more then all that is of compassion and sacred and ethical will also slip away
At some point culture and civilization will also disappear and slowly humanity would revert back to a premordial existence of nothing more than a form of bestial vegetation ;and in time life itself would disappear and once again the earth would mindlessly orbit the sun ,devoid of meaning,devoid of purpose.
Be careful what you pray for ;you just may get it!
:lol:
Quote from: Art Axmann on June 03, 2014, 09:38:00 PM
If Christianity were to vanish from off the face of the earth all that is of beauty and reason will also vanish. If Christianity is no more then all that is of compassion and sacred and ethical will also slip away
At some point culture and civilization will also disappear and slowly humanity would revert back to a premordial existence of nothing more than a form of bestial vegetation ;and in time life itself would disappear and once again the earth would mindlessly orbit the sun ,devoid of meaning,devoid of purpose.
How much thought have you put into this?
The OP seems to have an inflated sense of intelligence, I wonder what his/her education level is? He jumps to the Aztecs to prove that christinsanity is somehow the backbone of morality. Yet he conveniently leaves out the Roman empire(pre christinsanity), the early period of Islam(750 CE â€" c. 1258 CE), and the Greek civilizations.
Lets start with the Romans shall we? The Roman empire was responsible for more education, tech advances, and quality of life increases than any other culture at that time. In areas where the Romans conquered the quality of life for the natives went through the roof. They had roads, plumbing, a functioning government where they had a say, and a stable monetary system introduced.
Now on to the early Islamic period. During this time science flourished. Knowledge was preserved by translating Indian, Asyriac, Iranian and Greek knowledge was translated into Arabic. Most of these works would have been lost to time if not for the Islamics of that time. The great thing was that they welcomed ALL regardless of religious affiliation.
Do I really need to go over what the Greeks brought to the table?
And now lets look at christinsanity. When the Western Roman fell and christinsanity took over the reigns(5th to the 10th centuries) the quality of life for those NOT in the ruling classes(read as favored by the church) went south fast. Infrastructure fell apart, the monetary system collapsed, disease ran rampant due to massive unsanitary conditions, science fell by the wayside, and people were regularly worked or starved to death.
And now lets look at the modern world where christinsanity has a toe hold in America. Education standards are falling, infrastructure is falling apart, the monetary system is collapsing, sciences and maths are falling by the wayside, and people are regularly working themselves to death.......
Gee this is sounding familiar isn't it?
=EDIT=
BOOM!! Knowledge
Quote from: Moralnihilist on June 04, 2014, 09:10:10 AM
The OP seems to have an inflated sense of intelligence, I wonder what his/her education level is? He jumps to the Aztecs to prove that christinsanity is somehow the backbone of morality. Yet he conveniently leaves out the Roman empire(pre christinsanity), the early period of Islam(750 CE â€" c. 1258 CE), and the Greek civilizations.
Lets start with the Romans shall we? The Roman empire was responsible for more education, tech advances, and quality of life increases than any other culture at that time. In areas where the Romans conquered the quality of life for the natives went through the roof. They had roads, plumbing, a functioning government where they had a say, and a stable monetary system introduced.
Now on to the early Islamic period. During this time science flourished. Knowledge was preserved by translating Indian, Asyriac, Iranian and Greek knowledge was translated into Arabic. Most of these works would have been lost to time if not for the Islamics of that time. The great thing was that they welcomed ALL regardless of religious affiliation.
Do I really need to go over what the Greeks brought to the table?
And now lets look at christinsanity. When the Western Roman fell and christinsanity took over the reigns(5th to the 10th centuries) the quality of life for those NOT in the ruling classes(read as favored by the church) went south fast. Infrastructure fell apart, the monetary system collapsed, disease ran rampant due to massive unsanitary conditions, science fell by the wayside, and people were regularly worked or starved to death.
And now lets look at the modern world where christinsanity has a toe hold in America. Education standards are falling, infrastructure is falling apart, the monetary system is collapsing, sciences and maths are falling by the wayside, and people are regularly working themselves to death.......
Gee this is sounding familiar isn't it?
=EDIT=
BOOM!! Knowledge
Methinks you pour fine wine into a bottomless cup with this one.
Quote from: Art Axmann on June 03, 2014, 09:38:00 PM
People can find fault with anything and they usually do. The idea that you can count on people to act in their own best interests is not always the case. People are easily fooled.
But the tremendous attack going on by homos and atheists and secularists and non-Christians against Christian hegemony in America is poorly thought out.
If Christianity were to vanish from off the face of the earth all that is of beauty and reason will also vanish. If Christianity is no more then all that is of compassion and sacred and ethical will also slip away
At some point culture and civilization will also disappear and slowly humanity would revert back to a premordial existence of nothing more than a form of bestial vegetation ;and in time life itself would disappear and once again the earth would mindlessly orbit the sun ,devoid of meaning,devoid of purpose.
Be careful what you pray for ;you just may get it!
Fuck you, you sorry piece of shit. I don't need your despicable dogma to tell right from wrong. Unlike you I don't need the threat of eternal damnation to force me to act a decent human being.
As a student of sociology I know of no evidence that you could use to back up the OP-statement.
I'll leave at that for now, others have said all there is to say in better ways than I could in this thread.
The axeman axe
done took some whacks
was dull, unfortunately.
Hit and run poster? hard to say
maybe he'll come back this way
just have to wait and see. :biggrin:
Quote from: Art Axmann on June 03, 2014, 09:38:00 PM
People can find fault with anything and they usually do. The idea that you can count on people to act in their own best interests is not always the case. People are easily fooled.
But the tremendous attack going on by homos and atheists and secularists and non-Christians against Christian hegemony in America is poorly thought out.
If Christianity were to vanish from off the face of the earth all that is of beauty and reason will also vanish. If Christianity is no more then all that is of compassion and sacred and ethical will also slip away
At some point culture and civilization will also disappear and slowly humanity would revert back to a premordial existence of nothing more than a form of bestial vegetation ;and in time life itself would disappear and once again the earth would mindlessly orbit the sun ,devoid of meaning,devoid of purpose.
Be careful what you pray for ;you just may get it!
In denying climate change, if the christian right gets its way and successfully prevents governments from implementing what's needed to avoid the impending disaster, then yes, civilization will be destroyed.
When asked the question, '' What the fuck is this guy talkin about ' the correct response is EH..?
(http://i57.tinypic.com/68hlk2.jpg)
This one heap silly thread.
Got silly OP.
Quote from: Art Axmann on June 03, 2014, 09:38:00 PM
If Christianity were to vanish from off the face of the earth all that is of beauty and reason will also vanish. If Christianity is no more then all that is of compassion and sacred and ethical will also slip away
At some point culture and civilization will also disappear and slowly humanity would revert back to a premordial existence of nothing more than a form of bestial vegetation ;and in time life itself would disappear and once again the earth would mindlessly orbit the sun ,devoid of meaning,devoid of purpose.
Oh wow, so, like, a reverse Big Bang kinda deal.
QuoteBe careful what you pray for ;you just may get it!
Next time you have a thought, just let it go
Quote from: SGOS on June 04, 2014, 08:15:13 AM
How much thought have you put into this?
I put a great deal of thought into this. What I'm sensing is a great deal of confusion between the morality and ethical component of my argument and the " other civilizations" and their accomplishments that predate the Christian Faith.
What I'm asking others to do is to compare the teachings of Christianity in their application to the furthering of human existence with the teachings and practices of other faiths and beliefs.
If Christianity were to suddenly disappear ,then these other faith groups would be all that mankind would have to ensure human progress on planet earth.
The big problem in the minds of the uninformed in America is that without morality ,without the sacred ,and without the ideology resulting from out of it , all mankind would revert slowly back toward a bloodthirsty sadistic state of existence.
All one need do is to look at the current state of those devoid of Christian morality and multiply that by a factor of one thousand .
And that's what the world would be looking at. A return to a lifestyle of pure primitive savagery ..
Christianity is the only religion on planet earth that provides for the sacred ,the holy and all that is of beauty and light to further mankind's progress .
Edited to fix the quote tags. Pappy
QuoteAll one need do is to look at the current state of those devoid of Christian morality and multiply that by a factor of one thousand
You mean, like virtually every country that is not a theocracy, including the USA?
On second thought, I think you are so deep into the lake of ignorance that I can't reach down far enough to grab you from sinking further, and sure as shit am not going to jump in after you.
Swim to the surface on your own. You have the power. Do you have the will?
Quote from: Art Axmann on June 04, 2014, 07:39:49 PM
Christianity is the only religion on planet earth that provides for the sacred ,the holy and all that is of beauty and light to further mankind's progress .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6YfJZ9hxLQ
What I'm asking is for you to compare the ignorance in that book to the knowledge we have today...if you don't agree that we've made advancements beyond compare because we understood how little actual knowledge there was...why are you on the internet?
Quote from: EldonG on June 04, 2014, 07:52:33 PM
What I'm asking is for you to compare the ignorance in that book to the knowledge we have today...if you don't agree that we've made advancements beyond compare because we understood how little avtual knowledge there was...why are you on the internet?
You win Pal ,I admit ,I confess, I can't figure out what the hell you're saying!!!! :blahblah:
Quote from: Art Axmann on June 03, 2014, 09:54:04 PM
And ,if that's really the case with you ,or just to make your point that there're good others in the world ;I stated that this degeneration would be slow in coming. I should've emphasized slowly..
Actually I feel at ease, now that I saw that you clarified this.
I agree with you, and by my estimation, this decline of civilization will coincide with our sun going supernova.
Sit back, relax, it's all good.
But the Doctor went to the year 5 billion, how do you explain that (sarcasm)
Further mankind's progress? Today in America the religious right are doing everything possible to hinder progress. Global warming? not happening. Women's rights? Stay in the kitchen. Art? Pictures of Blonde Jesus. The word progressive has become an insult from the religious right. They have done everything they can to hold back progress, not forward it. If Carter had won instead of Reagan, we would have had an initiative to get off of oil and develop alternate energy sources. Reagan kept us on it and increased our dependence.
Ever heard of the dark ages? that was after the enlightenment of first Greece and then Rome; the dark ages was when Catholicism held sway over Europe and Eastern Asia. Scientists like Galileo and Giordano Bruno were either threatened with execution or executed. The Catholic friars destroyed the works of Aristotle and other Greek intellects. Science advanced in spite of, not because of religion.
You are the most clueless dimwit we have ever has on this forum.
Quote from: Contemporary Protestant on June 04, 2014, 08:03:52 PM
But the Doctor went to the year 5 billion, how do you explain that (sarcasm)
That's fine, because the supernova phase is farther into the future than that
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_of_the_Earth
Quote from: stromboli on June 04, 2014, 08:05:37 PM
You are the most clueless dimwit we have ever has on this forum.
I wouldn't go that far but probably in the top 10.
Quote from: PopeyesPappy on June 04, 2014, 08:07:40 PM
I wouldn't go that far but probably in the top 10.
Got emotional for a moment. Sorry.
Im still waiting on the brain trusts response to my destruction of his "argument".
Quote from: Moralnihilist on June 04, 2014, 08:19:50 PM
Im still waiting on the brain trusts response to my destruction of his "argument".
He hasn't responded to anything of mine, so don't expect much.
Quote from: stromboli on June 04, 2014, 08:10:34 PM
Got emotional for a moment. Sorry.
Do you remember the guy that claimed god talked directly to him?
Lol...his response to mine was...duh...huh?
My basic point was that civilization advances DESPITE Christianity...and if he thinks the Dark Ages were the best civilization has to offer...why computer?
I think these posts are funny, coming from folks that maintain atheists have no objective morality.
So by what standard are you presenting the argument that the end of society is bad to someone that inherently isn't supposed to have a standard and therefore incapable to objectively determine something to be bad?
"Hey, I know you can't think for yourself, but I want you to think about this"
Logical fail
My apologies...I axed the axe man....sorry bout that.
I was struck by my own psychohistorical thought reading this:
If Axeman disappears, will this thread follow?
If he represents the intellectual elite among xtians, we got nothing to fear. Axeman probably gets lost in his own closet.
HA, see you banned the Nazi sympathiser here. Good one :)
Quote from: Art Axmann on June 03, 2014, 09:38:00 PM
People can find fault with anything and they usually do. The idea that you can count on people to act in their own best interests is not always the case. People are easily fooled.
But the tremendous attack going on by homos and atheists and secularists and non-Christians against Christian hegemony in America is poorly thought out.
If Christianity were to vanish from off the face of the earth all that is of beauty and reason will also vanish. If Christianity is no more then all that is of compassion and sacred and ethical will also slip away
At some point culture and civilization will also disappear and slowly humanity would revert back to a premordial existence of nothing more than a form of bestial vegetation ;and in time life itself would disappear and once again the earth would mindlessly orbit the sun ,devoid of meaning,devoid of purpose.
Be careful what you pray for ;you just may get it!
First of all, I don't pray.
Second of all, explain all the civilizations based on eastern religions.
Your logic is flawed, bro.
There is not enough smart on the planet to drive away this level of stupid.
U know, i really tried to understand what th fk he was on about but no luck, mibbe its the beer affecting ma mind or mibbe he's just a fkn eedjit. :axe: :axe:
Quote from: Art Axmann on June 03, 2014, 09:54:04 PM
I guess everyone has a hindu friend or a chinese one or even a Jewish friend.
And ,if that's really the case with you ,or just to make your point that there're good others in the world ;I stated that this degeneration would be slow in coming. I should've emphasized slowly..
The Christian faith represents the moral compass that humanity lives by;if not, then Christianity is just another faith system.
Hindus and other people get their sense of morality and sacredness from Christianity; whether or not they understand how they are influenced.
Remove the influence and you can see what is going on in Pakistan and India . And this is really commonplace and has only ameliorated recently thanks to the Christian world watching and setting standards.
The whole world gravitates toward these standards whether they know it or not.
Islam and judaism would be far worse without the exposure to Christian morality and thinking in the world.
QuoteThe Christian faith represents the moral compass that humanity lives by;if not, then Christianity is just another faith system.
Thats quite assumption. So you are ruling out Islam, Judaism and others? The way I see it if it was os great then everyone would buy it, which they don't. Why is that?
QuoteIslam and judaism would be far worse without the exposure to Christian morality and thinking in the world.
How do you figure? Since christianity is an offshoot of Judaism. Lot of assumptions but no proof.
Welcome, Altered Atheism.
You seem to be completely, completely oblivious to the fact that the Englightenment, Renaissance and seperation of church and state are what gave us computers, science, medicine, and everything that you take for granted today. Just because certain elements of the West chose to cling to their "Christian identity" that does not mean we are fundmentally a Christian society as people like you enjoy claiming. This so called 'beauty' you go on about only exists because at a certain point people got fed up with Christianity and it's transgressions and decided to seek higher things than what some zealot bigot tells them is the "truth". You just need to accept what you can't change, things are moving in a certain direction and you whining like a little baby on the Internet won't change a damn thing.
Oh goodness me! whatever will society do without all that ignorance and murder over the least of transgressions to guide us! whatever will we all do without the oppressive church suppressing knowledge and discouraging free thought!
Personally a world without Christianity sounds fucking GREAT. I have found more happiness and enlightenment in disbelief then i ever did as a christian.
I also fucking wonder, if "God" exists, why would it matter if anything human-made exists? Can someone PLEASE answer that question? I'm serious. You said "be careful of what you pray for, you might just get it", but if there is a loving "God" to watch over us and protect us, why would he care if man-made things crumble? Would he stop it? Yet the Bible talks about the corruption of worldly men; would "God" even want to stop it? Yes? No? Maybe?
I have never, ever gotten a straight answer from anybody on this answer. If "God" knows the final outcome of everything, why stress out about anything negative if everything is already predicted?
The only reason I'm content with Christianity existing is because it's the only buffer that keeps Islam out for the most part, a religion i see personally as abhorrent.
But no, all of those religions that basically tell you to have complete subservience towards a fictional at worst or uncaring at best, power makes us weaker not stronger as a civilization.
Thank you for playing!
Quote from: GrinningYMIR on June 20, 2014, 10:17:01 AM
The only reason I'm content with Christianity existing is because it's the only buffer that keeps Islam out for the most part, a religion i see personally as abhorrent.
But no, all of those religions that basically tell you to have complete subservience towards a fictional at worst or uncaring at best, power makes us weaker not stronger as a civilization.
Thank you for playing!
No it's not. There could be plenty of buffers that exist to keep Islam out instead of Christianity. That post you made makes you sound like a battalion (or equivalent) commander from the Crusades telling his men that they need to push back "The Moslems" so they can "save Holy Christendom in Europe". Of course all the men believed it and went storming into their almost guaranteed death.
Quote from: Art Axmann on June 03, 2014, 10:31:29 PM
Aztec Sacrifices
Aztec sacrifices were an important aspect of the Aztec religion. At the root of these Aztec rituals was the belief that the gods needed to be nourished by human beings. This was accomplished through human blood. A part of the Aztec religion, therefore, was to participate in bloodletting, which is intentionally harming and drawing blood from the body. Those who were higher in status within the Aztec religion were expected to give the most blood during these Aztec rituals.
The Aztec gods and goddesses also required the living hearts of humans for nourishment. All hearts were good, but the bravest captives were considered to be particularly nourishing to the Aztec gods. As a result, widespread warring took place as the Aztec people sought to bring captives back to the Aztec temples for sacrifice.
Sometimes, those practicing the Aztec religion sacrificed just one person. At other times, hundreds or even thousands of captives were sacrificed at a time.
I don't care at all if you mock me ;you in fact are only making an idiot out of yourself kid.
Boy, it makes me want to sing, 'Gimme that old time religion. Gimme that old time religion.. If it's good enough for Aztecs its good enough for me.' Personally I'm kind of partial to throwing a virgin into a volcano, but ripping out beating hearts with stone tools to burn so the gods can consume the smoke seems perfectly reasonable as a way to ensure peace and tranquility. I say we rip out Dick Cheney's heart.
Quote from: PopeyesPappy on June 04, 2014, 09:42:04 AM
....Fuck you, you sorry piece of shit. I don't need your despicable dogma to tell right from wrong. Unlike you I don't need the threat of eternal damnation to force me to act a decent human being.
What a "decent" form of conversation you have there.
Whenever I hear folks say they can be good without God, I gotta ask, why are there CCTV cameras everywhere? And unmarked cop cars and undercover police and speed cameras....
Quote from: Lion IRC on June 20, 2014, 06:14:59 PM
What a "decent" form of conversation you have there.
Whenever I hear folks say they can be good without God, I gotta ask, why are there CCTV cameras everywhere? And unmarked cop cars and undercover police and speed cameras....
Can you explain then why people abuse in the name of "God"? Why does religious extremism and abuse even exist in the first place? You seem to be taking the very real fact of human nature and placing it where it conveniences you. The CCTV cameras, religious people killing in the name of their deity, it all ties into a violent and quite aggressive species.
:CCTV, unmarked police cars, etc..? Oh that's right.. If we all just went to church and prayed all the bad guys would just magically go away and priests could get back to the business of fucking little boys, right? :think:
Quote from: Art Axmann on June 03, 2014, 09:38:00 PM
Be careful what you pray for ;you just may get it!
Never prayed, no point to it.
I pray for god to STFU..Proof prayer works..
Quote from: christy starseeker on June 12, 2014, 07:33:43 AM
Personally a world without Christianity sounds fucking GREAT. I have found more happiness and enlightenment in disbelief then i ever did as a christian.
^ Yeah!
Quote from: frosty on June 20, 2014, 06:29:53 PM
Can you explain then why people abuse in the name of "God"?
Nope. I can only speak for myself and I don't abuse people in the name of God.
Sounds a little blasphemous if you ask me.
Quote from: frosty on June 20, 2014, 06:29:53 PMWhy does religious extremism and abuse even exist in the first place?
These are humans were talking about right?
I don't think religion has a monopoly on "excuses for violence".
Quote from: frosty on June 20, 2014, 06:29:53 PMYou seem to be taking the very real fact of human nature and placing it where it conveniences you. The CCTV cameras, religious people killing in the name of their deity, it all ties into a violent and quite aggressive species.
Seems like we need to do something about the problem of evil/sin.
Quote from: Lion IRC on June 21, 2014, 04:37:00 AM
Nope. I can only speak for myself and I don't abuse people in the name of God.
Sounds a little blasphemous if you ask me.
But other people do, so that's the flaw in trying to replace a supposed secular corrupt system with a religious one as you implied. There always has been and always will be people hurting others in the name of "God", I see no difference between religious abuse and secular crime in terms of severity.
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These are humans were talking about right?
I don't think religion has a monopoly on "excuses for violence".
No, I never said it has a monopoly on violence - nothing does, really. Not even the human race itself, as wild animals obviously commit violent acts as well. My point was, you pointed to crime and CCTV cameras as an example of people failing without "God", and yet I can point to religious abuse, religious extremism and murders done in the name of religion to show why the system on the other end of the spectrum has it's flaws as well.
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Seems like we need to do something about the problem of evil/sin.
Find less biased terms and I would agree with you. People have been trying to stomp out bad things for a very long time, but what is bad in one person's eyes might be good in another's. I certainly hope you are not suggesting some religious response to "evil/sin" as the very action itself would be hypocritical and misguided. People often tend to make more mistakes by trying to correct other ones, but I would not take part in a religious cleansing/inquisition of sorts. Such efforts tend to be led by zealots who feel that everyone else should bow to their own interpretation of "the truth" when there is no reason to do so.
This is what all religions teach, that the world will not function right if my personal tribal club is not the center of the world. Which is funny because no matter what current religions or boarders our species comes up with we still manage to fuck and make babies.
Quote from: Lion IRC on June 20, 2014, 06:14:59 PM
What a "decent" form of conversation you have there.
Whenever I hear folks say they can be good without God, I gotta ask, why are there CCTV cameras everywhere? And unmarked cop cars and undercover police and speed cameras....
Lol! Fuck you too Lion. Do I need to remind you that most of the people in the west committing the acts that necessitate those CCTV cameras are Christians?
Quote from: Brian37 on June 21, 2014, 08:38:31 AM
This is what all religions teach, that the world will not function right if my personal tribal club is not the center of the world. Which is funny because no matter what current religions or boarders our species comes up with we still manage to fuck and make babies.
This is very well articulated.
Quote from: PopeyesPappy on June 21, 2014, 08:48:22 AM
Lol! Fuck you too Lion. Do I need to remind you that most of the people in the west committing the acts that necessitate those CCTV cameras are Christians?
Yep, epic fail. Lion points out that Christians aren't moral quite effectively.
Quote from: PopeyesPappy on June 21, 2014, 08:48:22 AM
Do I need to remind you that most of the people in the west committing the acts that necessitate those CCTV cameras are Christians?
Citation needed.
If such acts constituted normal "Christianity", why would they be illegal? Why would "Christian" law makers in a "Christian" country seek to capture and punish the perpetrators of such (sinful) deeds?
Answer - because such actions are a violation of Christianity! They are the opposite of the Ten Commandments.
These ten commandments?
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I. Thou shalt worship no other god.
II. Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.
III. The feast of unleavened bread thou shalt keep.
IV. Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest.
V. Thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest,
and the feast of ingathering at the year’s end.
VI. Thrice in the year shall all your men children appear before the Lord God.
VII. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven.
VIII. Neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning.
IX. The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God.
X. Thou shalt not seethe a kid [ie, a young goat] in his mother’s milk.
(source: http://disinfo.com/2010/02/the-ten-commandments-we-always-see-arent-the-ten-commandments/ (http://disinfo.com/2010/02/the-ten-commandments-we-always-see-arent-the-ten-commandments/))
Another pretentious Christian who thinks we haven't swatted down these issues a million times.
I fucking hate the summer troll season.
Sent from Monster Island. Titty sprinkles.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on June 21, 2014, 04:59:05 PM
Another pretentious Christian who thinks we haven't swatted down these issues a million times...
A million times?
If that's the case, I would say you aren't actually hitting whatever it is you are trying to swat.
I guess it's true then. Satan is more powerful than invisigod. (Invisible god) tsk tsk..
Quote from: Lion IRC on June 21, 2014, 07:17:39 PM
A million times?
If that's the case, I would say you aren't actually hitting whatever it is you are trying to swat.
You are making your situation worse by replying the way you do. Now, they will say 'Look! He is definitely pretentious based on that response!". Stop making your situation worse.
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on June 20, 2014, 06:30:09 PM
:CCTV, unmarked police cars, etc..? Oh that's right.. If we all just went to church and prayed all the bad guys would just magically go away and priests could get back to the business of fucking little boys, right? :think:
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on June 20, 2014, 06:30:09 PM
:CCTV, unmarked police cars, etc..? Oh that's right.. If we all just went to church and prayed all the bad guys would just magically go away and priests could get back to the business of fucking little boys, right? :think:
Which priests?
The atheist clergy?
Apparently the clergy is full of atheists hiding in the closet.
Quote from: Lion IRC on June 21, 2014, 11:31:16 PM
Which priests?
The atheist clergy?
Apparently the clergy is full of atheistspedophiles hiding in the closet, waiting to fuck little children and ruin their life.
FIFY
Quote from: Lion IRC on June 21, 2014, 11:31:16 PM
Which priests?
The atheist clergy?
Apparently the clergy is full of atheists hiding in the closet.
The closet is in a church. You must have a very selective reading list if you aren't aware of what goes on in churches with Catholic priests, Baptist ministers and Mormon boy Scout leaders. Need to widen your horizons a little.
Quote from: stromboli on June 22, 2014, 10:58:04 AM
The closet is in a church. You must have a very selective reading list if you aren't aware of what goes on in churches with Catholic priests, Baptist ministers and Mormon boy Scout leaders. Need to widen your horizons a little.
It won't help. Feeding real facts to someone with an IQ in the single digit is an exercise in futility.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on June 22, 2014, 11:00:28 AM
It won't help. Feeding real facts to someone with an IQ in the single digit is an exercise in futility.
Too true, JP. But along those lines, this bit of reinforcement:
http://abpnews.com/ministry/people/item/28621-sex-offender-pastor-can-minister-to-children
QuoteDarrell Gilyard, 52, began preaching at Christ Tabernacle Missionary Baptist Church in Jacksonville, Fla., shortly after his release from prison in December 2011 for sex crimes against two minor girls at his previous church. It made international news when the church barred children from worship, because Gilyard’s probation prohibited him from having contact with minors.
Recently, according to Jacksonville television station WJXT, a judge agreed to modify the probation so Gilyard can "minister to children under the age of 18 as long as the children are supervised by an adult other than the defendant."
Gilyard pleaded guilty in 2009 to lewd or lascivious conduct and molestation involving two girls younger than 16. His 2007 resignation after 15 years as pastor of Jacksonville’s Shiloh Metropolitan Baptist Church, a 7,000-member predominantly African-American congregation, marked the fifth pastorate he lost due to allegations of sexual misconduct.
A native of Palatka, Fla., Gilyard rose to fame in the Southern Baptist Convention in the late 1980s under the mentorship of former SBC presidents Jerry Vines and Paige Patterson. Jerry Falwell’s pulpit gave Gilyard a platform to share on national television his dramatic testimony of growing up a homeless orphan who lived under a bridge, a story that was later discredited.
The attention helped Gilyard attain several pastorates, until confidence in him eroded after a series of sex scandals in the early 1990s. The Dallas Morning News published stories in 1991 saying dozens of women had accused Gilyard of sexual misconduct, with some alleging rape.
Gilyard began as pastor of Shiloh Metropolitan Community Church in April 1993. He resigned Jan. 4, 2008, after a member of the congregation filed a police report claiming Gilyard sent sexually explicit text messages to her daughter.
Gilyard was arrested Jan. 14, 2008, and charged with two counts of lewd and lascivious conduct. He pleaded guilty May 21, 2009, to molesting one girl and sending lewd text messages to another.
Gilyard completed a three-year prison sentence on Dec. 28, 2011. Four weeks later he took the pulpit at Christ Tabernacle Baptist Church, prompting community protests and a visit from Jacksonville Baptist Association, which resulted in an agreement that the church would “leave the fellowship†of the Southern Baptist Convention regional affiliate.
It ought to be disturbing to theists that I can find this information with only a cursory look on the internet.
Quote from: stromboli on June 22, 2014, 11:22:43 AM
Too true, JP. But along those lines, this bit of reinforcement:
http://abpnews.com/ministry/people/item/28621-sex-offender-pastor-can-minister-to-children
It ought to be disturbing to theists that I can find this information with only a cursory look on the internet.
Theists are willfully ignorant. Their answer will be typically: he wasn't a true christian... true christians don't do such thing... God gave us free will and it's up to us to avoid evil, blah, blah, blah... If you want to rationalize your irrational faith, there is always ways of doing it - it necessarily goes by ignoring the facts.
Quote from: Lion IRC on June 21, 2014, 04:10:11 PM
Citation needed.
If such acts constituted normal "Christianity", why would they be illegal? Why would "Christian" law makers in a "Christian" country seek to capture and punish the perpetrators of such (sinful) deeds?
Answer - because such actions are a violation of Christianity! They are the opposite of the Ten Commandments.
~97% of people in US prisons claim some religion, mostly Christian. Evidently the morals imparted by the teachings of Jesus don't stick very well.
My great hope has always been that Mormonism would finally suffer a catastrophic revelation that showed the whole religion is crapola, leaving all those poor Mormon women needing direction in their lives. And me with the philosophical GPS to guide them.
:biggrin:
Quote from: frosty on June 21, 2014, 07:46:18 PM
You are making your situation worse by replying the way you do. Now, they will say 'Look! He is definitely pretentious based on that response!". Stop making your situation worse.
If "they" say that then I don't think "they" understand what the word pretentious means.
Quote from: Lion IRC on June 21, 2014, 07:17:39 PM
A million times?
If that's the case, I would say you aren't actually hitting whatever it is you are trying to swat.
Being an unsinkable rubber duck does not mean that your position is the correct one.
Quote from: Lion IRC on June 22, 2014, 08:23:57 PM
If "they" say that then I don't think "they" understand what the word pretentious means.
I was referencing what they said. Coming from my own point of view, you do seriously seem to have some type of arrogance factor to you, you argue with everybody and you seem to think you are an exception to all words and definitions in the English language. I've seen people of all stripes believe, and act like they are above things so it's really no surprise there.
Quote from: Moralnihilist on June 22, 2014, 08:00:07 AM
FIFY
I dont get it. You crossed out atheist and wrote pedophile instead.
What are you trying to say?
Quote from: Lion IRC on June 23, 2014, 02:49:17 AM
I dont get it. You crossed out atheist and wrote pedophile instead.
What are you trying to say?
FIFY is an acronym that means 'Fixed It For You'. He crossed out 'atheist' and he wrote 'pedophile', I would assume, to counter your point about the 'atheist clergy' and replace it with a point of his own about a 'pedophile clergy'. To be honest, I'm not sure why you used the 'atheist clergy' point anyway, I don't see where you come off thinking you can outlast an entire forum in a game of spite and words. You are better advised using your energy in different ways.
Quote from: Lion IRC on June 23, 2014, 02:49:17 AM
I dont get it. You crossed out atheist and wrote pedophile instead.
What are you trying to say?
Several things.
1. You're an idiot
2. I wish you would fuck off and die.
3. the church is full of pedophile priests.
4. FIFY means: Fixed It For You.
I honestly think that civilization would be more advance (by about 500 years) if religion in general never caught on. I made a video talking about this here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE8UvI6wenQ.
Quote from: Brian37 on June 21, 2014, 08:38:31 AM
This is what all religions teach, that the world will not function right if my personal tribal club is not the center of the world. Which is funny because no matter what current religions or boarders our species comes up with we still manage to fuck and make babies.
Religion is just an excuse for having to die....
Quote from: Art Axmann on June 03, 2014, 09:38:00 PM
Be careful what you pray for ;you just may get it!
unlike you, I don't pray for things to happen, which is just an advanced form of wishing on a magic lamp.
Quote from: Munch on August 17, 2014, 09:33:08 PM
unlike you, I don't pray for things to happen, which is just an advanced form of wishing on a magic lamp.
I think you've that backwards, Munch. Wishing on a magic lamp is an advanced form of prayer.
Quote from: PopeyesPappy on August 18, 2014, 12:30:06 AM
I think you've that backwards, Munch. Wishing on a magic lamp is an advanced form of prayer.
ah true ^^, at least a sexy genie comes from a lamp.
I really do pity people who can't find any worth in life without a religion as their crutch to stand up on, that they can't conceive of morality or empathy without being convinced they wouldn't have those things without god or allah or whatever else.
I wasn't raised with any connection to religion, and yet I have love, empathy for others, morals, standards, appreciation of the little things and big things, and all that came from just living it, being around people who appreciated it to, all who have never once spoken words of faith to me, just people who enjoy the good stuff in life.
If religion disappeared tomorrow, the world would be no different to people like us lot here, but to a faith follower, they would struggle with reality. They would have to adapt to understand the world around them, like how a child adapts to understand there is no father christmas.
Yet I've seen children deal with that sobering fact far better then adults do to the truth of religion.
Quote from: Brian37 on June 21, 2014, 08:38:31 AM
This is what all religions teach, that the world will not function right if my personal tribal club is not the center of the world.
Well said. I want to print that 10 times.
QuoteIf Christianity disappears so will civilization.
:wtff: Refinement of intellectual and artistic taste will disappear without superstitious nonsense? :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: Now that is really being delusional from thinking religion is refinement of the intellect and knowledge when it is based on ignorance and emotions. Some of the most peaceful, and having refinement of the intellect are atheist scientists and artist. Remember the Dark Ages and inquisitions from religious authority that people could not even be questioned without being burned at the stake or stoned to death with their blessing? Idiot! Solitary
Quote from: SGOS on August 18, 2014, 06:57:34 AM
Well said. I want to print that 10 times.
Its funny how we live in w world where mankind as a species has figured out how to fly despite not having wings, cure diseases that even effects other animals, even the only creature on earth that can launch itself into space.. and yet it still needs tribal mentality practiced by its ancient ancestors thousands of years ago.
If Christianity disappears so will civilization.?
I think about the largest Christian populated country in the world- American
Then think, the USA has half of the world’s war budget , 25% of the World prisons and then ask are they civilized, Hell no!
Welcome castlepaloma!
Why don't you open an introduction thread and tell us some more about you?
Quote from: castlepaloma on August 21, 2014, 09:29:58 PM
If Christianity disappears so will civilization.?
I think about the largest Christian populated country in the world- American
Then think, the USA has half of the world’s war budget , 25% of the World prisons and then ask are they civilized, Hell no!
Christianity is a man made invention. I am sure they will find another sucker to play jesus and just create another fundamentalist dung hole.