I am going to leave this forum and never return, but before I do, I want to make sure nothing was left unsaid. If you have any questions or comments to make to me, make them now or forever hold your peace.
If there is anyone who still wants to attempt to convert me into an Atheist, I admit that I am open to that happening. For me, it would require that Materialism/Realism/Physicalism be true about the reality we exist in. I have absolutely zero convincing reasons to conclude that this is so however, and this represents the entire reason why I am currently not an Atheist. If you know something that I don't, please enlighten me before I go.
Immaterialism (or Idealism) is at least as likely as Materialism. If you need an explanation of why this is so just ask Berati to explain it for you. If you claim that Materialism is more likely, or more justified, or is a conclusion based on evidence, or has been conclusively proven, or is an unquestionable axiom that is the Truth by default, I currently disagree but am open to being persuaded.
And to all of you who just don't give a fuck, thank you for inviting me into your forum and allowing me to articulate a dissenting viewpoint.
The Friendliest Ghost,
CASPAROV
I didn't have many interactions with you, so I'll just sit back and watch the show if you don't mind.
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QuoteAnd to all of you who just don't give a fuck, thank you for inviting me into your forum and allowing me to articulate a dissenting viewpoint.
A. Nobody "invited" you to come on the forum.
B. You are the one who insisted on trying to prove there is a god.
C. And it is incomprehensible shit like this that has caused me to put you on ignore for 2 days.
Quote from: Casparov on June 01, 2014, 12:44:26 AM
I am going to leave this forum and never return,
ftfy
Quote from: Casparov on June 01, 2014, 12:44:26 AM
I am going to leave this forum and never return, but before I do, I want to make sure nothing was left unsaid.
Oh my! Things left unsaid? Just recite a few lines of the "mouse ran up the clock" poem before you go, and we'll call it good.
Don't let the virtual door hit you on your virtual ass on the way out.
Nope, have fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9sEBBCIZ54
Why would anyone want to convert you to atheist? To be perfectly frank, I don't give a shit what you believe as long as you leave me out of it.
I am guessing you would far rather convert me to Christianity.
meh
Quote from: Casparov on June 01, 2014, 12:44:26 AM
I am going to leave this forum and never return, but before I do, I want to make sure nothing was left unsaid. If you have any questions or comments to make to me, make them now or forever hold your peace.
If there is anyone who still wants to attempt to convert me into an Atheist, I admit that I am open to that happening. For me, it would require that Materialism/Realism/Physicalism be true about the reality we exist in. I have absolutely zero convincing reasons to conclude that this is so however, and this represents the entire reason why I am currently not an Atheist. If you know something that I don't, please enlighten me before I go.
Immaterialism (or Idealism) is at least as likely as Materialism. If you need an explanation of why this is so just ask Berati to explain it for you. If you claim that Materialism is more likely, or more justified, or is a conclusion based on evidence, or has been conclusively proven, or is an unquestionable axiom that is the Truth by default, I currently disagree but am open to being persuaded.
And to all of you who just don't give a fuck, thank you for inviting me into your forum and allowing me to articulate a dissenting viewpoint.
The Friendliest Ghost,
CASPAROV
Are you sure you're open to what the evidence tells you? Because it sounds like you're going beyond evidence and trusting in things you have no evidence for. That's what immaterialism is about, right?
Have fun in LA LA Land! But before you go read this until you realize you can't answer this with idealism and the splitting of mind and body.
Quotehttp://www.democraticunderground.com/1218107147 Are mood altering chemicals magical?
I ask because it seems obvious to me that some people actually think emotions are magic, or come from something immaterial(magical, supernatural, whatever) outside the human brain. My question is in the subject line, wouldn't that make certain chemicals and drugs able to affect the supernatural?
Conversely, how come they are the things that most reliably works, rather than others, like prayer, that don't?
I find myself particularly sensitive to this issue having personal experience with many people that have a variety of, I prefer to call them brain disorders, or diseases. People have a tendency of dismissing mental disorders and diseases as not real, so I prefer to call them what they are because of the organ they affect, seems obvious.
My mom was bi-polar, and the response from much of her family, particularly her parents, is basically that prayer should cure it, but they were "old school" and frankly in denial. It was interesting growing up and having to NOT explain to them why mom had to go away for 2 weeks(in the hospital, to get leveled out), because "they didn't want to hear it". I will say, my Dad though, he was a fucking trooper, and still is, even after mom passed, he dedicated his life to her and us kids, he supported her, unconditionally, despite how she acted sometimes. I will say the drugs got a LOT better by the mid 90s. Her last ten years, she was stable and happy, that's all you can ask for, thank goodness for science.
My best friend has had OCD so bad that she wouldn't leave the bathroom for hours. It was self-focused attention, she would redo her makeup, over and over again, until it was perfect, and many times, it never was, and she would refuse to be seen, by anybody. Thanks to therapy and medication, she's a lot better, and now she's engaged to a wonderful woman who really cares about her and understands her.
My own fiancee is bi-polar, and for a while she was on the wrong set of medications for her, they were so bad that she was unmotivated to even leave bed, she was so depressed, had anxiety so bad, she'd vomit from having a nervous stomach, and would refuse to even interact with others. We switched her to a new doctor, who prescribed her new medications, and it was like turning a switch, all of the sudden, she was herself again, and now she's happy and stable.
The reason I mention this should be obvious, where is the evidence that emotions come from a deity, or the supernatural? I will say that science, particularly neuroscience, hasn't found all the answers yet, but that's the point, isn't it? Should they stop looking where it seems the things are produced, the brain?
If there is a non-material, supernatural aspect to ourselves, our moods, our emotions, our consciousness, it seems to rely on the brain to work on our bodies, basically this "aspect" behaves as if it wasn't there, so, unless there is compelling evidence for its existence, the best assumption to make, particularly from a medical and scientific perspective is to assume it doesn't exist at all.
A further question, for those who believe there's an immaterial aspect to our minds, what do you think are the causes of disorders such as bi-polar, clinical depression, schizophrenia, OCD, ADD, etc.?
You are using top down thinking from God's mind to your mind, when it is just the opposite, but if you prefer you are in the mind of God as well as everything else, consider this: Where is heaven and hell? Solitary
Furthermore, even if we all exist in God's mind, how can we know that?
Occam's razor rules out all unnecessary explanations. And immaterialism sounds like one of them.
Quote from: Casparov on June 01, 2014, 12:44:26 AM
I am going to leave this forum and never return, but before I do, I want to make sure nothing was left unsaid. If you have any questions or comments to make to me, make them now or forever hold your peace.
If there is anyone who still wants to attempt to convert me into an Atheist, I admit that I am open to that happening. For me, it would require that Materialism/Realism/Physicalism be true about the reality we exist in. I have absolutely zero convincing reasons to conclude that this is so however, and this represents the entire reason why I am currently not an Atheist. If you know something that I don't, please enlighten me before I go.
Immaterialism (or Idealism) is at least as likely as Materialism. If you need an explanation of why this is so just ask Berati to explain it for you. If you claim that Materialism is more likely, or more justified, or is a conclusion based on evidence, or has been conclusively proven, or is an unquestionable axiom that is the Truth by default, I currently disagree but am open to being persuaded.
And to all of you who just don't give a fuck, thank you for inviting me into your forum and allowing me to articulate a dissenting viewpoint.
The Friendliest Ghost,
CASPAROV
Iv'e read some bullshite in my time but this takes the bullshite top award, ur leaving (or maybe ur not really ) and this is just another attention seeking exercise.
You may not post anymore but u wont leave this site, you know it and we all know it too...
Lurk Lurk Lurk... :fU:
Quote from: 10 Green Bottles..... on June 01, 2014, 10:21:48 AM
ur leaving (or maybe ur not really )
:biggrin: That's how I read it too. :rotflmao:
Who are you again?
I wish we could make this kind of thing a self-fulfilling prophesy, via the ban hammer.
Of course he can't leave the site, it is in Gods mind, and he is in God's mind, dumb atheists. :doh: :rotflmao: Solitary
So long, and thanks for all the fish.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on June 01, 2014, 12:17:00 PM
So long, and thanks for all the fish.
So that's what I've been smelling.
Who?
Quote from: Casparov on June 01, 2014, 12:44:26 AM
Immaterialism (or Idealism) is at least as likely as Materialism. If you need an explanation of why this is so just ask Berati to explain it for you.
Ok I'll explain it.
Casparov is a liar. I asked him to admit that "Immaterialism (or Idealism) is
at least as likely as Materialism." over and over. He kept denying this even though I told him we had to start on a level playing field. He tried every dishonest trick in the book to place immaterialism as the default like this:
QuoteYou seem to be suggesting that all of these possibilities are equally as likely, but this does not follow.
and this:
QuoteJust because they are both assumptions does not mean that they are equally as likely. So I disagree. You are incorrect.
and this:
QuoteI reject the notion that all assumptions are equally as likely. If this is the basis of your argument then it is flawed. All assumptions are not equally as likely.
What I believe actually occurred is that after the total beat down he received in that thread he could not bring himself to admit he had been wrong all along and decided to
LIE and try to claim that what I was saying over and over was actually his point.
This was not intellectual dishonesty but real straightforward dishonesty.
Either he's honest in that he was lying all along and simply wasting hours of my time, or (far more likely) he was lying at the very end in a face saving maneuver. Either way it's unacceptable and I would not continue posting on a board that allowed this kind of behaviour.
I've asked the mods to review the thread in question and ban Casparov. (I have never asked for this before)
He says he's not coming back but who can believe someone who has so clearly been exposed as an outright liar?
He should still be banned!
Quote from: Berati on June 01, 2014, 06:45:04 PM
What I believe actually occurred is that after the total beat down he received in that thread he could not bring himself to admit he had been wrong all along and decided to LIE and try to claim that what I was saying over and over was actually his point.
Wouldn't be the first time someone has used that tactic to save face.
Bye. From the things I read of your's I thought you were nice and I think of you as friendly.
Your beliefs may be odd, but i did find them a bit fascinating to read. And you at least answered most of the questions we had for you directly and started some neat conversations, which is much more than I can say for some of the people on here and it is greatly appreciated.
Goodbye Casperov
Quote from: PickelledEggs on June 01, 2014, 06:50:08 PM
Bye. From the things I read of your's I thought you were nice and I think of you as friendly.
Your beliefs may be odd, but i did find them a bit fascinating to read. And you at least answered most of the questions we had for you directly and started some neat conversations, which is much more than I can say for some of the people on here and it is greatly appreciated.
Goodbye Casperov
Concerning the part I bolded.
I'm not sure if you followed my debate with him that he refers to in the OP, however...
I've never had anyone contradict me for a week and more than two dozen posts who in the end claims that they had been lying all along in order
to teach me that I had been correct all along?? This makes no sense whatsoever so clearly it's a lie, plus he had claimed the same thing in many other threads.
In other words he
is lying about the fact that he
was lying! Lying squared??
This is why I asked for him to be banned, something I've never done before. Intellectual dishonesty is one thing. Straight up lying in order to waste hours and hours of another members time cannot be tolerated.
Oh. I wasn't aware. I stopped paying attention to his posts a few weeks ago because they were starting to bore me. I was just going off of what I saw as of about a month or 2 back
Sent via your mom.
Fuck him.
Quote from: Berati on June 01, 2014, 08:55:07 PM
Concerning the part I bolded.
I'm not sure if you followed my debate with him that he refers to in the OP, however...
I've never had anyone contradict me for a week and more than two dozen posts who in the end claims that they had been lying all along in order to teach me that I had been correct all along??
This makes no sense whatsoever so clearly it's a lie, plus he had claimed the same thing in many other threads.
In other words he is lying about the fact that he was lying! Lying squared??
This is why I asked for him to be banned, something I've never done before. Intellectual dishonesty is one thing. Straight up lying in order to waste hours and hours of another members time cannot be tolerated.
That makes Casparov an ideal liar.
Hey, I get pissed off and leave forever once in awhile myself. You're all just to darned cute n cuddly I can't stay mad at you. Bummer, huh?
Quote from: PopeyesPappy on June 01, 2014, 10:43:09 AM
Who are you again?
A basement dwelling mama's boy who bathes infrequently.
...Ok.
PS: Maybe we should make a "fuck you, I'm leaving" board/thread.
Every now and then I begin to feel bad about myself and then comes guys like this. Damned..I'm fucking wonderful ain't I? :lol:
Quote from: stromboli on June 01, 2014, 10:50:01 PM
A basement dwelling mama's boy who bathes infrequently.
that's not a ghost. It's odor-vapor
Sent via your mom.
Quote from: The Skeletal Atheist on June 02, 2014, 02:03:45 AM
...Ok.
PS: Maybe we should make a "fuck you, I'm leaving" board/thread.
Good idea, we could call it this:
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Luckily this will be probably be just the first of many farewell threads as his socks are discovered and outed.
Bye cretin. Go jump into an active volcano.
But but we will stop existing when you stop visiting :(
You bastard!!!!
I said it before, and I believe it is true: Casparov was the most disingenuous person I have seen on a forum. Everyone here showed him evidence that was even from experts on the subject and he just ignored them. Philosophers and logician have shown the flaws in idealism, and science has proved it with neurology. No mind or consciousness without brain activity. Hell, when we are unconscious we know our mind isn't there, just our body. Anyone see a mind or soul, or heard of one without a body, outside of lunatics? This BS about quantum mechanics proving we are just a mind, even from scientists that work in the field, are only from scientists that believe in magic from magical thinking. Just because an idea can't be proven wrong still doesn't prove it is true, a logical fallacy. Solitary
Quote from: drunkenshoe on June 02, 2014, 12:08:29 PM
We had others like him.
They all blur together.
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Good bye Casparov!
Before you leave, may we know where you plan on going next? Just so we give that forum a heads up.
Thanks!
See how nice we are? We gave you two whole days to get your self indulgence satisfied. But thats all you get. I will leave this up for another day so you can have time to read all the wonderful responses......then I will kill it and you can blissfully go off into the sunset......cheerio!