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Title: Argument from ignorance must die
Post by: rex on March 27, 2014, 12:29:33 AM
People must stop invoking god every time something can't be explained because if a neanderthal can't explain cell phones doesn't mean they are made by god.
Why must I explain this to people still? It's so easy.
Title: Re: Argument from ignorance must die
Post by: aitm on March 27, 2014, 11:12:43 AM
Well, ignorance will never die, it can't, there are too many opportunities for it to spread, and it is so easily obtained.
Title: Re: Argument from ignorance must die
Post by: Solitary on March 27, 2014, 01:46:13 PM
Cell phones are made by God talking to those that make them. When are atheist going to admit that God makes everything through His servants of God. Dumb atheists! He! He! Solitary
Title: Re: Argument from ignorance must die
Post by: AllPurposeAtheist on March 27, 2014, 07:26:48 PM
Without ignorance the rest of us wouldn't feel smart.
Title: Re: Argument from ignorance must die
Post by: leo on March 27, 2014, 10:30:12 PM
To be fair intelligent people can be ignorant too. Some intelligent people are religious.
Title: Re: Argument from ignorance must die
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on March 28, 2014, 07:18:35 AM
The problem isn't ignorance, it's willful ignorance.
Title: Re: Argument from ignorance must die
Post by: SGOS on March 28, 2014, 07:30:14 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on March 28, 2014, 07:18:35 AM
The problem isn't ignorance, it's willful ignorance.
I've always defined ignorance as a lack of knowledge, and willful ignorance as stupidity.
Title: Re: Argument from ignorance must die
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on March 28, 2014, 07:35:22 AM
Quote from: SGOS on March 28, 2014, 07:30:14 AM
I've always defined ignorance as a lack of knowledge, and willful ignorance as stupidity.
I've always defined ignorance as a lack of knowledge, and willful ignorance as fear of knowledge. The fundies are afraid that if their religion is proven false they won't go to Heaven. As they've invested this life in that one goal their who purpose for being will have collapsed.
Title: Re: Argument from ignorance must die
Post by: Jason78 on March 28, 2014, 12:44:23 PM
Quote from: rex on March 27, 2014, 12:29:33 AM
Argument from ignorance must die

Except it wont, because it's too ignorant.
Title: Re: Argument from ignorance must die
Post by: Moralnihilist on March 29, 2014, 09:43:03 PM
Quote from: rex on March 27, 2014, 12:29:33 AM
People must stop invoking god every time something can't be explained because if a neanderthal can't explain cell phones doesn't mean they are made by god.
Why must I explain this to people still? It's so easy.

Since you seem to think you have all the answers(based off of your posting history), what do you intend to do about it?
Title: Re: Argument from ignorance must die
Post by: rex on March 31, 2014, 03:31:10 AM
Quote from: Moralnihilist on March 29, 2014, 09:43:03 PM
Since you seem to think you have all the answers(based off of your posting history), what do you intend to do about it?
Why are you talking bullshit?
Title: Re: Argument from ignorance must die
Post by: Moralnihilist on March 31, 2014, 06:43:21 AM
Quote from: rex on March 31, 2014, 03:31:10 AM
Why are you talking bullshit?

Im not the one running around this forum telling people what they should be doing, whilst acting like I have all the answers. That would be your department. So again since you seem to think(again based off of YOUR OWN posting history) that you know what is best for everyone, what are you going to do about it?
Title: Re: Argument from ignorance must die
Post by: josephpalazzo on March 31, 2014, 10:11:53 AM
Quote from: aitm on March 27, 2014, 11:12:43 AM
Well, ignorance will never die, it can't, there are too many opportunities for it to spread, and it is so easily obtained.

We're all born ignorant. The question is: what kind of education will you get after you're born?
Title: Re: Argument from ignorance must die
Post by: Solitary on March 31, 2014, 11:02:49 AM
Quote from: Moralnihilist on March 31, 2014, 06:43:21 AM
Im not the one running around this forum telling people what they should be doing, whilst acting like I have all the answers. That would be your department. So again since you seem to think(again based off of YOUR OWN posting history) that you know what is best for everyone, what are you going to do about it?

What do you think should be done about it? Or do you think God is the answer for everything? Solitary
Title: Re: Argument from ignorance must die
Post by: Moralnihilist on March 31, 2014, 09:10:59 PM
Quote from: Solitary on March 31, 2014, 11:02:49 AM
What do you think should be done about it? Or do you think God is the answer for everything? Solitary

I have no idea, thats why Im not running over this forum telling people what they should be doing.

As to god, I am an atheist sooo yea....

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Rhetoric, such as that brought forward by the OP, is rather pointless. Coming to an atheist website making claims that god does not exist, agnostic atheists are pusses, and that logical fallacies are bad is much like a priest preaching to the choir and about as meaningful as a theist coming here preaching. All in all, the OP reminds me of a young petulant child trying to fit in with people. Where people like this sit around and piss and moan about how things "should" be, others are out in the world trying to make things better in reality.

Title: Re: Argument from ignorance must die
Post by: rex on April 03, 2014, 07:22:06 AM
Quote from: Moralnihilist on March 31, 2014, 09:10:59 PM
I have no idea, thats why Im not running over this forum telling people what they should be doing.

As to god, I am an atheist sooo yea....

=edit=
Rhetoric, such as that brought forward by the OP, is rather pointless. Coming to an atheist website making claims that god does not exist, agnostic atheists are pusses, and that logical fallacies are bad is much like a priest preaching to the choir and about as meaningful as a theist coming here preaching. All in all, the OP reminds me of a young petulant child trying to fit in with people. Where people like this sit around and piss and moan about how things "should" be, others are out in the world trying to make things better in reality.
Says the moral nihilist. Why aren't you out making things better then instead of bitching.
Title: Re: Argument from ignorance must die
Post by: Moralnihilist on April 04, 2014, 08:36:13 PM
Quote from: rex on April 03, 2014, 07:22:06 AM
Says the moral nihilist. Why aren't you out making things better then instead of bitching.

Actually I give quite generously to local charities, I volunteer teaching self defense at a battered women's shelter(that I helped fund the building and maintenance), and Ive donated countless acres of land to my local ASPCA for an off lead dog park to help fund them. A good idea would be to know a bit about a person before making a completely idiotic comment.

And Im not the one bitching.
Title: Re: Argument from ignorance must die
Post by: Feral Atheist on April 04, 2014, 11:03:56 PM
Quote from: aitm on March 27, 2014, 11:12:43 AM
Well, ignorance will never die, it can't, there are too many opportunities for it to spread, and it is so easily obtained.
Yet I have met many people that work very hard at maintaining their ignorance.
Title: Re: Argument from ignorance must die
Post by: josephpalazzo on April 05, 2014, 09:18:26 AM

Quote from: Feral Atheist on April 04, 2014, 11:03:56 PM
Yet I have met many people that work very hard at maintaining their ignorance.

It's not that simple. For those people, they often are defending a worldview they have considerably invested time and energy, let alone that their whole world spins around a network of family and friends sharing that same worldview. Needless to say that worldview is based on falsehoods and ignorance which came about through brainwashing. Trying to undo that is like hitting your head against the wall.
Title: Re: Argument from ignorance must die
Post by: the_antithesis on April 05, 2014, 11:52:03 AM
The problem with the argument from ignorance is that it can be phrased "I don't know, therefore I do know."

I don't know what causes the tides, therefore it was god.

(http://images.sodahead.com/polls/003742335/715899783_37874918_xlarge.png)

It just shows the pride involved. "I came up with an explanation and no one is able to come up with a better explanation."