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Are you 100% sure there's no god? Can you call god a c _ _ t? Can you honestly do that because you know it's a fallacy? There is no middle ground on this issue. Either you're 100% sure there's no god or you believe in a god (even if it's 1%). I therefore call out all atheists to reply. Are you 100% sure?

Quote from: deuce916 on March 14, 2014, 05:40:34 AM
Are you 100% sure there's no god? Can you call god a c _ _ t? Can you honestly do that because you know it's a fallacy? There is no middle ground on this issue. Either you're 100% sure there's no god or you believe in a god (even if it's 1%). I therefore call out all atheists to reply. Are you 100% sure?

In this thread: we school someone on the concept of "false dichotomy."

I'll add in the wiki link as well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

Enjoy your read, and get back to us once you understand what it means.

So you believe in god?

Quote from: deuce916Are you 100% sure there's no god?

Define a god and I'll tell you why I don't believe in them.

A god is that character who allegedly made everything.

The universe bears no hallmarks of being manufactured.   And that is why I am 100% sure that I do not believe in your god.

So you'd call it a c _ _ t because you know you're talking to thin air?

I wouldn't be able to call it anything as it doesn't exist.

Okay, let's say from what you know about god, would you call it a c _ _ t?

From what I know about god, it doesn't exist.  So why would I call it anything?

So you're 100% god doesn't exist?

As I said, "I am 100% sure that I do not believe in your god."

So you're 100% sure that no god exists?

I'm 100% sure that none of the gods that have been described to me so far exists.

So you may change your mind in the future, which means your not 100% sure.

I'm 100% sure right now.     Amongst the thousands of gods that men have claimed to exist, I've not found a single one that I can believe in.  So unless you've got any other gods hidden up your sleeve I think it would be safe to say that I'll be 100% sure in the future too.

Well, I still think you've got doubts. Hello anyway.

Well I know that I don't have doubts.   That trumps whatever you think.

That means you're not 100% sure there is no god & never will be. You might have to work on that fear before calling yourself an atheist.

It means nothing of the sort.   Try reading back through the thread.

"Well I know I have doubts". Unlike you I have no doubts. I am 100% sure there is no god & never will be.

Why do you have doubts?

Quote from: Jason78Well I know that I don't have doubts.

Maybe I need to start posting in a larger font size...

Sorry, I misread your reply.

It seems that you're here to try and reinforce a conclusion that you want to be true.

Quote"Well I know I have doubts". Unlike you I have no doubts. I am 100% sure there is no god & never will be.

Good for you.

Well god cannot be a cunt because god's don't exist. But if your god existed, then yes, he/she/it would still not be a cunt, because a cunt has some beautiful value to it.

How comes that someone with zero posts can open thread outside of the intro section? Mods, can you look into it?

Quote from: deuce916Are you 100% sure there's no god? Can you call god a c _ _ t? Can you honestly do that because you know it's a fallacy? There is no middle ground on this issue. Either you're 100% sure there's no god or you believe in a god (even if it's 1%). I therefore call out all atheists to reply. Are you 100% sure?

c _ _ t? Coat? coot? Can't? Cert?

What is this mysterious c _ _ t?

I have no reason to believe anybody's imaginary friend is real. 

Your god is a cunt. The christard god is a cunt. Pedomo is a cunt. The jewish god is a cunt. Any god that man has claimed to exist is a cunt.

And until the OP can put forth TESTABLE, VERIFIABLE, and CONCRETE PROOF the OP is a cunt.

I think you have a very simplistic approach to this. There are theists and atheists who say: I don't know 100% if there is a god. But the theist will say, in spite of that, I believe in god; while the atheist will say, because there isn't enough to convince me, I don't believe in a god.

You are asking if we believe in something you yourself can't define or explain. 

Quote from: deuce916"Well I know I have doubts". Unlike you I have no doubts. I am 100% sure there is no god & never will be.

Notice that this guy claims he is also an atheist. You should probably not jump to conclusions as much as you all do.

I noticed that, I just didn't think it was important.

QuoteI'm going to jump to the conclusion that he is either trying to get attention or just a fucking twat.

Oh definately both of these. It just seemed to me some people were responding to him with the idea that he was a theist joining the forums. I agree totally that this guy is a fucking twat.

Quote from: PluQuote I'm going to jump to the conclusion that he is either trying to get attention or just a fucking twat.
Oh definately both of these. It just seemed to me some people were responding to him with the idea that he was a theist joining the forums. I agree totally that this guy is a fucking twat.

Plu, did you see my post on the previous page? How comes a person with ZERO posts can open a new thread outside the intro section? Are the mods going to do something about it?

Quote from: DunkleSeeleQuote from: PluQuote I'm going to jump to the conclusion that he is either trying to get attention or just a fucking twat.
Oh definately both of these. It just seemed to me some people were responding to him with the idea that he was a theist joining the forums. I agree totally that this guy is a fucking twat.Plu, did you see my post on the previous page? How comes a person with ZERO posts can open a new thread outside the intro section? Are the mods going to do something about it?

There might be some security configuring to do still. Skeletal just noticed that the members only thread can be seen by people that aren't members and you don't even have to log in right now to browse through it.

So you guys get pretty rattled when someone comes out with the truth eh. There is a god or there isn't a god. It's pretty simple logic. You can't be in both camps at the same time. Either you believe in a god or you don't believe in a god - any god. There's no room for agnosticism there.

We mostly get rattled when people show up here acting like twats. You seem too dumb to understand even very basic ideas like the difference between reality and knowledge of said reality, though.

No, I've got my facts correct thank you very much.

Quote from: deuce916So you guys get pretty rattled when someone comes out with the truth eh. There is a god or there isn't a god. It's pretty simple logic. You can't be in both camps at the same time. Either you believe in a god or you don't believe in a god - any god. There's no room for agnosticism there.

You're ignorant as fuck. "Agnosticism" refers to knowledge, literally meaning "I don't know". Belief or lack thereof is totally independent from knowledge. As atheists, we do not believe in a god. Some atheists also state "I know there's no god", those are called "gnostic atheists", as opposed to "agnostic atheists" who say "I don't know if a god exists, but I don't believe it does".

A final note: I don't believe you for a second when you say you're an atheist; you are clearly another theist troll spouting the same old, tired bullshit. And now fuck off, bumbag.

Why don't you understand simple logic?

Quote from: deuce916 on March 14, 2014, 07:01:40 PM
Why don't you understand simple logic?

We do, but you don't.

"Agnosticism" refers to knowledge, literally meaning "I don't know". 

How can "I don't know" equate to knowledge?

We seem to have reached a new low here. It's like they get dumber by the month...

Quote from: deuce916Are you 100% sure there's no god? Can you call god a c _ _ t? Can you honestly do that because you know it's a fallacy? There is no middle ground on this issue. Either you're 100% sure there's no god or you believe in a god (even if it's 1%). I therefore call out all atheists to reply. Are you 100% sure?

In order:

I'm 100% sure there has been zero evidence found so far. If you have any evidence, post it right here. Otherwise, I have been and will be otherwise agnostic to whether a any god exists.  I'm also equally agnostic of the existence of the Nerve Ending Fairy and his cute sister The Tooth Fairy.


Other things I'm agnostic about.


Invisible, immaterial dragons in my garage, that you really can beat the house at blackjack, that an apple a day keeps the doctor away, leprechauns, and their severely diseases cousin leperchauns.....


All of those things, including gods, I am only about 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 percent sure of their non existence. Not quite 100%

Are you referring to the word cunt? If god exists and I had a way to talk to him or her, I would love to. I think cunt is one of the most under-used words in the english language. Seriously. It just means vagina. What is the big deal?

So you believe in a god of some sort. Let me get this, but they just haven't come up with it yet. That's a laugh.

Quote from: deuce916So you believe in a god of some sort. Let me get this, but they just haven't come up with it yet. That's a laugh.

wut. 

Please read again...

but only after you educate yourself. Please read a book. Preferably somewhat of a challenge of what you're used to..... check out the 2nd grade reading level shelf at the book store or library if you need to narrow it down.

ah..simple logic. How hard can that be? Its either male or female eh? Who the fuck ever heard of people with both sex parts? LOLOLOLL thats just crazy ass thinking.......

To the OP: So if I poked you in the eye with a sharp stick, and believe me when I say I REALLY want to how could you be 100% sure it's not god telling you to shut the fuck up?

You think there's a god telling me to do things.

Trust me that I have no belief in a god, but come to my door with your bullshit and you'll sure pray you're dreaming.

Oh I see, so you're having trouble accepting the truth. You're like a boiling kettle who wants to be turned off.

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Do it. Do it. Do it.

I vote ban.

Boy, you're really getting testy.

Stick to the subject.

Ok, the subject. I'm 100% sure you're a poe and a troll. *click...roll credits [ignore]* /click

Deuce I once again have to ask, is English your first language? It not being so is the only excuse you've got left.

Ha! I love it. 

"You are ignoring this user" 'show me the post'

what a great tool. ;)

Wait. you can ignore people? how do you do that on this one? I'm having trouble finding it.

Quote from: PickelledEggsWait. you can ignore people? how do you do that on this one? I'm having trouble finding it.

It's in the profile settings. 

Ok good to know. I'll save it for someone that will last longer than this duece. I have a feeling he's on his way out.

Quote from: deuce916Are you 100% sure there's no god? Can you call god a c _ _ t? Can you honestly do that because you know it's a fallacy? There is no middle ground on this issue. Either you're 100% sure there's no god or you believe in a god (even if it's 1%). I therefore call out all atheists to reply. Are you 100% sure?

There is no such thing as 100% certainty in science, and no Humanist will ever claim to have it. I can safely say that a god doesn't exist just like I can safely say that my keys will never fall up when I let go, but I will never claim 100% certainty for either.

Quote from: PickelledEggsOk good to know. I'll save it for someone that will last longer than this duece. I have a feeling he's on his way out.

Click on modify profile and it's at the bottom of the drop-down..at least on my tablet. 

"There is no such thing as 100% certainty in science".

That's why you have to go beyond science to see the truth.

Science isn't the answer to everything. Only on what you can see. But what about the unknown, imagine that possibility without a god.

Quote from: deuce916Science isn't the answer to everything. Only on what you can see. But what about the unknown, imagine that possibility without a god.

Sounds the same to me.
But Im not a child that needs a sky daddy

Life doesn't need a god to support it. It does it entirely on it's own. That's incredible, so different to what we've been told.

The big bang. Ha. There's one thing about the universe that science doesn't know about. The big bang should be exposed for the myth that it is.

Why not be honest and get the real reason you're posting on this site? You're playing the same game countless others have played before you.  You're not being clever, just sad. 

I'm 100% sure the OP doesn't know what he's talking about.

Posted via Tapatalk on tiny smartphone keyboard. Expect typos.

I know what I'm talking about, more than anyone else on earth.

You obviously haven't searched for the truth in yourselves, you probably gave up.

Come out with it already. 

Are you trying to lead up to a Pascal's Wager argument? Something else maybe?  Out with it!

How odd is it that the OP chose the name Deuce, when all he has posted is shit?

Don't you get it - you've got to be 100% sure that there is not & will not be a god before you call yourself an atheist.

No you don't, anymore than you have to be 100% sure there IS a god to be theist.

Quote from: FinalSomniaNo you don't, anymore than you have to be 100% sure there IS a god to be theist.

This is where you're mistaken.  You misunderstand the definition of an atheist.

What's an atheist then?

Quote from: Jack89 on March 14, 2014, 11:25:23 PM

Quote from: FinalSomniaNo you don't, anymore than you have to be 100% sure there IS a god to be theist.

This is where you're mistaken.  You misunderstand the definition of an atheist.

You sure you are replying to the right person?

Hmmm.

My mistake FinalSomnia, meant to reply to deuce.

No problem!

Quote from: deuce916What's an atheist then?

Someone who disbelieves in deities, supreme beings, etc, etc..  Disbelief is the key element here.  Let me ask you this, do you have to be 100% sure to believe or disbelieve?  

QuoteSomeone who lacks belief in deities, supreme beings, etc, etc.

FIFY

Quote from: deuce916"There is no such thing as 100% certainty in science".

That's why you have to go beyond science to see the truth.

If you're no longer using science, then you're no longer using logic. Any other discussions with you about logic are rendered moot since you've ventured into the irrational.

I think we may have our first genuine irrational atheist.

Have fun with the forums and enjoy your stay. Although admittedly,  using illogical reasoning with others who use logical reasoning probably won't win you any congeniality awards. But, what the hell. You didn't come here to make friends anyway.

To recap for anyone else reading:

Atheism and Theism translates belief in regards to deities - atheism lacks a belief and theism has a belief. Important to note that belief does not require sufficient knowledge to be present. For example, theists believe in a god even though they lack sufficient knowledge to know if a god exists.

Agnosticism and Gnosticism translates to what is knowable or known. For example an agnostic atheist would lack belief in god and lacks the certainty in their knowledge of a god not existing. Meanwhile an agnostic theist has a belief in god but admits they lack a certainty in their knowledge of a god existing. Conversely, a gnostic atheist would lack a belief in god and claim certainty in the knowledge of a god not existing, and a gnostic theist would have belief in a god and claim certainty in their knowledge of a god existing.

The OP feels that one would have to be a gnostic atheist to be a genuine atheist, even though such a position would be illogical. Since every possible definition of a deity has yet to be described, an atheist cannot logically say that they have sufficient grounds to claim there aren't any deities. The probability of a deity being real is so ridiculously low, that for daily purposes one could act as though gods don't exist at all.

Yeah I don't see this guy lasting either lol

Aitm, Plu., Jason up to you guys!

Quote from: deuce916Don't you get it - you've got to be 100% sure that there is not & will not be a god before you call yourself an atheist.

Nope. All that's required is a lack of belief in deities. An atheist is someone who is not a theist.

"Someone who disbelieves in deities, supreme beings, etc, etc.."

Exactly, that's 100%. There's no room for doubt, as the scientist will try to get you to believe.

"If you're no longer using science, then you're no longer using logic."

What's logical about saying that you can't believe or disbelieve in something 100%?

Quote from: deuce916"Someone who disbelieves in deities, supreme beings, etc, etc.."

Exactly, that's 100%. There's no room for doubt, as the scientist will try to get you to believe.

There's always room for doubt. Just because I don't believe something right now doesn't mean I can never change my mind.

If you have room for doubt about a deity then you are not an atheist.

Honestly, I don't know why you still believe in a god. Not one shred of evidence when you look at the facts.

Quote from: deuce916You obviously haven't searched for the truth in yourselves, you probably gave up.

When you've seen beyond yourself-then you may find, peace of mind,
Is waiting there

"When you've seen beyond yourself"

I have seen beyond myself & all I could see was planets.

Since the OP will ignore any arguments that run counter to his/her's and throw up a strawman to play with, I couldn't help but to wonder, what is everyone having for dinner?

I haven't had stuffed bellpeppers in a long time. You know, the ones with goulash and a special sauce. Or maybe some Jager Schnitzel with brown gravy. 

Quote from: AletheiaSince the OP will ignore any arguments that run counter to his/her's and throw up a strawman to play with, I couldn't help but to wonder, what is everyone having for dinner?

I haven't had stuffed bellpeppers in a long time. You know, the ones with goulash and a special sauce. Or maybe some Jager Schnitzel with brown gravy. 

I had orange chicken and fried rice.

I had some homemade chili with a bunch of vegetables, and it was surprisingly good.

Why is it the only thing this fool says is: You are ignoring this user. Show me the post.? :D

I had roasted chicken with chili sauce, yummy.

Okay, that should do it. New buttons and all. Sorry for the delay.

Quote from: deuce916Are you 100% sure there's no god? Can you call god a c _ _ t? Can you honestly do that because you know it's a fallacy? There is no middle ground on this issue. Either you're 100% sure there's no god or you believe in a god (even if it's 1%). I therefore call out all atheists to reply. Are you 100% sure?

ITT: 1% is bigger than 99%

Quote from: StupidWizI had roasted chicken with chili sauce, yummy.

That's the most profound thing said in this thread!

Quote from: deuce916 on March 14, 2014, 11:17:09 PM
Don't you get it - you've got to be 100% sure that there is not & will not be a god before you call yourself an atheist.

Anyone who thinks he has monopoly on the definition of atheism is a fucking moron.

Remember, just one single drop of African blood makes you a bruthah!  Or some such nonsense

What makes you more certain of the existance of your god than the Hindu elephant god? 

Quote from: deuce916If you have room for doubt about a deity then you are not an atheist.

I am curious, Deuce, did you go to a Christian school? Not that it makes any difference in the argument here whatsoever. I am simply curious where you learned this particular form of "reasoning."

New Feature!  ;)

Quote from: deuce916Are you 100% sure there's no god? Can you call god a c _ _ t? Can you honestly do that because you know it's a fallacy? There is no middle ground on this issue. Either you're 100% sure there's no god or you believe in a god (even if it's 1%). I therefore call out all atheists to reply. Are you 100% sure?

What's a god?

Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on March 15, 2014, 02:48:01 AM
Why is it the only thing this fool says is: You are ignoring this user. Show me the post.? :D

Please teach me your honorable technique for ignoring idiots, master!

Quote from: deuce916 on March 14, 2014, 06:04:18 AM
So you believe in god?

What a fantastically awesome question to ask in a forum titled "Atheist Forums".

http://atheistforums.com/index.php?topic=4039.msg1002625#msg1002625

He's banned already lol

Quote from: wolf39us on March 15, 2014, 10:46:57 AM
New Feature!  ;)

what a neat feature! LMAO

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Wow, that was just darn enlightening. Had meatloaf, btw. Made with turkey burger. Pretty good. Used McCormick meatloaf seasoning and substituted a box of bread dressing for bread crumbs. Fries and baked beans. not bad.

There is no evidence of a god... There isn't evidence for the dot that exploded either... These two theories are based on belief... Whether you all like it or not... Atheism and Religion are very similar. Both believe in something that there isn't an evidence for... Evolution is a claim... So was the big bang... and of course God is a claim also.

You can tell ppl all kinds of evidences about evolution and big bang but the fact is all these claims are not scientific since in order for something to be a scientific fact it would have to be observed, repeated, tested... Therefore big bang, evolution, God... All in the same category... Religion.

Quote from: AT7iLA on March 17, 2014, 12:33:48 AM
There is no evidence of a god... There isn't evidence for the dot that exploded either... These two theories are based on belief... Whether you all like it or not... Atheism and Religion are very similar. Both believe in something that there isn't an evidence for... Evolution is a claim... So was the big bang... and of course God is a claim also.

You can tell ppl all kinds of evidences about evolution and big bang but the fact is all these claims are not scientific since in order for something to be a scientific fact it would have to be observed, repeated, tested... Therefore big bang, evolution, God... All in the same category... Religion.

Neat a science lesson:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/astronomy/bigbang.html (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/astronomy/bigbang.html)

Today definitely involved a treat. We had some ribs which were marinated in chipotle sauce and raspberry vinegrette and slow cooked on the grill for about 5 hours. They literally fell off the bones it was so tender. They were served with jalapeno halves stuffed with cream cheese, wrapped with bacon and cooked till perfection. The meal was so delicious I took a plate with me to work and shared with my two co-workers who were exceedingly grateful for this obvious mana from heaven. 

Life is totally fucking awesome at times.

Quote from: Aletheia on March 17, 2014, 01:00:29 AM
Today definitely involved a treat. We had some ribs which were marinated in chipotle sauce and raspberry vinegrette and slow cooked on the grill for about 5 hours. They literally fell off the bones it was so tender. They were served with jalapeno halves stuffed with cream cheese, wrapped with bacon and cooked till perfection. The meal was so delicious I took a plate with me to work and shared with my two co-workers who were exceedingly grateful for this obvious mana from heaven. 

Life is totally fucking awesome at times.

I had PB&J for lunch and supper was frozen pizza.
Fuck, reading your post made me hungry (and jealous). I still have 3 (4?) day old supermarket rotisserie chicken in my fridge. Maybe dunk it in soy sauce. Eating that at midnight couldn't possible give me heartburn, right?

Quote from: AT7iLA on March 17, 2014, 12:33:48 AM
There is no evidence of a god... There isn't evidence for the dot that exploded either... These two theories are based on belief... Whether you all like it or not... Atheism and Religion are very similar. Both believe in something that there isn't an evidence for... Evolution is a claim... So was the big bang... and of course God is a claim also.

You can tell ppl all kinds of evidences about evolution and big bang but the fact is all these claims are not scientific since in order for something to be a scientific fact it would have to be observed, repeated, tested... Therefore big bang, evolution, God... All in the same category... Religion.

I've always wondered if ignorance was painful.

Quote from: Aletheia on March 17, 2014, 01:00:29 AM
Today definitely involved a treat. We had some ribs which were marinated in chipotle sauce and raspberry vinegrette and slow cooked on the grill for about 5 hours. They literally fell off the bones it was so tender. They were served with jalapeno halves stuffed with cream cheese, wrapped with bacon and cooked till perfection. The meal was so delicious I took a plate with me to work and shared with my two co-workers who were exceedingly grateful for this obvious mana from heaven. 

Life is totally fucking awesome at times.

That sounds absolutely delicious! 

I had a slice of wholegrain bread with some condiments of spiced rolled up and cooked lamb, oh and a cup of water too. :/

Quote from: AT7iLA on March 17, 2014, 12:33:48 AM
There is no evidence of a god... There isn't evidence for the dot that exploded either... These two theories are based on belief... Whether you all like it or not... Atheism and Religion are very similar. Both believe in something that there isn't an evidence for... Evolution is a claim... So was the big bang... and of course God is a claim also.

You can tell ppl all kinds of evidences about evolution and big bang but the fact is all these claims are not scientific since in order for something to be a scientific fact it would have to be observed, repeated, tested... Therefore big bang, evolution, God... All in the same category... Religion.

Fail troll is fail.


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I had a slice of honey bran toast and a PB&J for lunch today. Yum.

Edit: Where are my manners?

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