Whenever a government says that it promotes a certain interest, it generally ends up doing the exact opposite.
The People's Republic of China has the most repressive, elitist government in the world.
America, Land of the Free, has more prisoners per capita than anyone.
"Civil rights" has spread racial tensions throughout the country.
People who rely on HUD have the worst housing in America.
I propose that we create a political movement dedicated to everything that we hate so that we might decrease their incidence wherever we are active.
Let's support increased pollution, increased suppression of technological change, increased suppression of the free flow of information, increased racial tension.
What else?
Lying politicians?
Are you sure?
QuotePeople who rely on HUD have the worst housing in America.
Not true. Many HUD properties are in very nice areas and are clean and modern. Many are not, but saying it's the worse possible place to live in the US just because HUD funds them flat out bullshit.
Quote from: "zarus tathra""Civil rights" has spread racial tensions throughout the country.
:-s As opposed to the far more cordial racial relations during segregation and slavery? :-k
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Quote from: "zarus tathra"Whenever a government says that it promotes a certain interest, it generally ends up doing the exact opposite.
The People's Republic of China has the most repressive, elitist government in the world.
America, Land of the Free, has more prisoners per capita than anyone.
"Civil rights" has spread racial tensions throughout the country.
People who rely on HUD have the worst housing in America.
I propose that we create a political movement dedicated to everything that we hate so that we might decrease their incidence wherever we are active.
Let's support increased pollution, increased suppression of technological change, increased suppression of the free flow of information, increased racial tension.
What else?
they already have that in america, it's called the republican party. Politics is complicated business, if you want to change things, change how people think about issues. You'll do a lot more good teaching people rational thinking skills.
The government has an agenda of it's own. It's not all about working for the people. Much time is devoted to manipulating the masses. I think it's much worse than people realize.
Quote from: "Hydra009"Quote from: "zarus tathra""Civil rights" has spread racial tensions throughout the country.
:-s As opposed to the far more cordial racial relations during segregation and slavery? :-k
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Do you really think that's what he meant? I don't think it was considering the subject line.
Also, the Nazi regime killed white people far more efficiently than any other government besides maybe the US.
I'm not saying that things were "better" before, but it's hard to make the case that things have improved because of civil rights legislation rather than in spite of it. People naturally become well-disposed to people they make contact with, especially if they expect the worst and don't get it; when you turn everything into a "revolution" then you create an atmosphere of fear, distrust, and greed.
I have one close black friend. He's in his late sixties and thinks things are dramatically better. He's told me about some of the hardships he endured in his youth, things that are hard for me to imagine. It's nothing like it was according to him and from what I can remember.
Is it in because of the civil rights movement? I would think so, but not totally. It's more fundamentally about changing attitudes. The civil rights movement was not something our government started out of compassion. I doubt that politicians gave a shit about blacks any more than they do anyone else. They only reacted because of overwhelming pressures from the masses.
Quote... but it's hard to make the case that things have improved because of civil rights legislation rather than in spite of it.
Yeah, I'm sure the fact that you can no longer legally bar a person from voting, working, shopping, drinking from your fountain, riding your bus or literally anything else where they may come in contact with something for "your race" because they are "the other race" has REALLY not done much to improve the standard of living of African Americans...
QuoteThe People's Republic of China has the most repressive, elitist government in the world.
Wrong, NK... Uzbekistan... possibly Mongolia, given they are the most corrupt nation in the world... and some African countries (probably a couple of Asian as well) have worse governments in terms of representation and treatment of their civilians.
QuotePeople who rely on HUD have the worst housing in America.
Wrong again, Bob.
Quote from: "zarus tathra"The People's Republic of China has the most repressive, elitist government in the world.
No. The Democratic People's Republic of Korea is considerably worse.
Undoubtedly one of the worse possible places to live, a HUD property. Just look at how shabby everything is! No maid service, no butler, the stove isn't gleaming stainless steel nor is the fridge. Everything works, but probably only for another 20 years or so. It's my friend John's new crib.
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Quote from: "Shiranu"Quote... but it's hard to make the case that things have improved because of civil rights legislation rather than in spite of it.
Yeah, I'm sure the fact that you can no longer legally bar a person from voting, working, shopping, drinking from your fountain, riding your bus or literally anything else where they may come in contact with something for "your race" because they are "the other race" has REALLY not done much to improve the standard of living of African Americans...
I think I would credit the change in public sentiment to the civil rights movement, that forced legislation, rather than the legislation itself. The irony is that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 got rid of Jim Crow laws, government legislation mind you, that made discrimination legal. Those same Jim Crow Laws that were earlier upheld by the Supreme Court.
To credit government legislation for equal rights is kind of like putting a reformed wife beater on a pedestal.
Government policy is part of the changes in civil rights and race relations, but to say it's the only reason is like saying earth is just a tree because there are trees on earth. The media plays a role, immigration plays a role, peoples proximity to each other plays a role and other nations play a role, but without government policy the changes would have been much, much slower in coming.
That line about America having the most prisoners is pretty ridiculous. How does that statistic, taken in or out of contex, disprove anything? It could just mean we have the highest population of psychotic ax murders in the world (though I'm pretty sure Columbia holds that record). You can't just list random statistics and hope that they prove your point for you.
This is just my outsider opinion, but it seems to me that racial tensions in the US are due to a one-sided view of racism.
Leftists won't even admit that there is such a thing as racism against whites because their definition of racism is one-sided. They think racism isn't what the dictionary defines it, but "power+prejudice", therefore since "blacks don't have power" and "white are privileged" blacks cannot be "racist" against whites. This leads to a whole host of bullshit caused by double standards. If you're strong on racism only when the majority group does it to the minority, then you are in fact racist.
Of course if I point this out I'm either going to be accused of:
a. "dog whistle" speak
b. being a useful idiot for racist right-wingers
Another issue is illegal immigration. If you don't support amnesty for illegals you're "racist". (cause you know, it's perfectly fine for Americans to have their country invaded by people who didn't go through the legal procedure to join)
Now as for high incarceration in the land of the free, here's an idea, legalize drugs. Let morons kill themselves slowly if they want to. Sometimes you just gotta let natural selection do its thing. If they're stupid enough to pump themselves full of chemicals that kill them despite all the information out there, why should the state help?
Quote from: "VladK"Of course if I point this out I'm either going to be accused of:
a. "dog whistle" speak
b. being a useful idiot for racist right-wingers
The only thing I'm going to say is that your definition of racism is incorrect. Sociology defines racism as being both
individual and
institutional. If you only have the former, the person's just being a dick; and if you only have the latter, the government and private sector are just instituting general oppression. This is why you can have, say, a highly educated white man go to a far east Asian country and expect to get a good respectable job, but be shunned and/or feared by the average man on the street.
While you could argue that Obama is proof that racism is mostly dead, most sociologists will tell you that it's still unclear whether Obama's presidency represents true change or a hegemonic shift. Arguments for the latter will tell you that despite his skin color, Obama was basically raised like an average white American, and that he additionally doesn't share the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow due to his father being from Kenya as opposed to the United States. He's not the first black president so much as he is the first president who is only
half white (through his mother). This gives him mannerisms that are considered more acceptable by the white majority in the United States, allowing him to get elected despite a social and institutional atmosphere that still largely embraces racism against non-whites.
I'm not going to use this to conclusively say that you are mistaken in your opinion, but it is something to consider.
QuoteNow as for high incarceration in the land of the free, here's an idea, legalize drugs. Let morons kill themselves slowly if they want to. Sometimes you just gotta let natural selection do its thing. If they're stupid enough to pump themselves full of chemicals that kill them despite all the information out there, why should the state help?
Christianity and its ban on suicide, or at least that's my theory. You life isn't really your own, according to the religious; even death won't free you from their doctrines.
Quote(cause you know, it's perfectly fine for Americans to have their country invaded by people who didn't go through the legal procedure to join)
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Invaded? Seriously? Like... are they coming in with guns and bombs and running the "natives" out of their homes and forcing us to work shitty jobs while they take all the good paying ones?
Okay maybe not invaded, but trespassing, yes. Or simply breaking the law.
You're not racist..I bet "some of your best friends" are another race... :roll:
Quote from: "VladK"Okay maybe not invaded, but trespassing, yes. Or simply breaking the law.
If the law is injust and morally wrong, than it has no obligation to be obeyed or respected.
The majority of immigrants who move here illegally are extremely hardworking and are not "stealing jobs" (that would be the white CEO's who move them over seas).
The majority of immigrants who move here illegally are not committing any other crime, nor are they criminals in their own country, and are law abiding and tax paying citizens. They are mostly people who are fleeing countries that are full of criminals and poverty and want to contribute to our society.
The majority of welfare goes to white women, not immigrants.
The entire history of America is based on immigration, both legal and illegal. Undocumented workers built the very foundations of modern America, from our railroads, highways, infrastructure and their children have innovated technology used in all fields, from medical to construction to corporate. Many of the top American corporations are owned by the children of immigrants.
The entire history of America also revolves around fearing and demonizing and making the currently in vogue minority a boogieman. It hasn't even been a hundred years since my ancestor's were considered sub-human by the white establishment of America, and before the "Mexicans" (anyone south of the border is now apparently a Mexican) it was the Eastern Asians and African immigrants, as well as groups like the Turks, the Germans and the Japanese (Eastern Asian, obviously...) during WW2 (as well as us Italians), the Irish... pretty much any group besides the English you can imagine has been demonized at one point or another.
If they commit a serious crime, I say deport them without blinking. But if they are coming here, putting money into our government through taxes, working hard and supporting their families so the rest of us don't have to and are just the victim's of American "Boogieman" fears like many of our ancestors were at one point or another... let them be.
You got that right Shiranu.
The Indian tribe analogy is silly because that was about genocide, not merely taking jobs.
Quote from: "Hijiri Byakuren"The only thing I'm going to say is that your definition of racism is incorrect. Sociology defines racism as being both individual and institutional. If you only have the former, the person's just being a dick; and if you only have the latter, the government and private sector are just instituting general oppression. This is why you can have, say, a highly educated white man go to a far east Asian country and expect to get a good respectable job, but be shunned and/or feared by the average man on the street.
While you could argue that Obama is proof that racism is mostly dead, most sociologists will tell you that it's still unclear whether Obama's presidency represents true change or a hegemonic shift. Arguments for the latter will tell you that despite his skin color, Obama was basically raised like an average white American, and that he additionally doesn't share the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow due to his father being from Kenya as opposed to the United States. He's not the first black president so much as he is the first president who is only half white (through his mother). This gives him mannerisms that are considered more acceptable by the white majority in the United States, allowing him to get elected despite a social and institutional atmosphere that still largely embraces racism against non-whites.
I'm not going to use this to conclusively say that you are mistaken in your opinion, but it is something to consider.
You can call it what you like, but there are large segments of all ethnic groups that dislike and even hate other ethnic groups because of their differences. I call that racism. You can call it individual, institutional, cultural, or even horizontal, but it's still racism. The hate promoted by the Black Panthers and people like Louis Farrakhan is just as racist as the hate promoted by Stormfront, the Klan and David Duke. In fact I think it's worse because it tends to be marginalized and sometimes even tolerated by the public and the media.
Quote from: "zarus tathra"Whenever a government says that it promotes a certain interest, it generally ends up doing the exact opposite.
The People's Republic of China has the most repressive, elitist government in the world.
America, Land of the Free, has more prisoners per capita than anyone.
"Civil rights" has spread racial tensions throughout the country.
People who rely on HUD have the worst housing in America.
I propose that we create a political movement dedicated to everything that we hate so that we might decrease their incidence wherever we are active.
Let's support increased pollution, increased suppression of technological change, increased suppression of the free flow of information, increased racial tension.
What else?
What a bunch of ridiculous hasty generalizations.
There's a HUGE difference Jack between the KKK and the Black Panthers. The KKK was never part of an oppressed minority while the BPs were fighting for their communities survival against the institutions that systematically discriminated against them leaving huge swaths of anyone not white vulnerable to a clearly white power structure. Farikan had his own agenda, but it wasn't born out of merely just not liking white people.
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"There's a HUGE difference Jack between the KKK and the Black Panthers. The KKK was never part of an oppressed minority while the BPs were fighting for their communities survival against the institutions that systematically discriminated against them leaving huge swaths of anyone not white vulnerable to a clearly white power structure. Farikan had his own agenda, but it wasn't born out of merely just not liking white people.
When you're on the receiving end of racism, does it really matter where the hate stems from? After I joined the military my family moved to very rural southern Oregon because my step dad was chasing road construction work, as always. My little brothers went to a school that was mostly Native American. They were beaten up and threatened with weapons on multiple occasions because they were white. They eventually moved because it got so bad. Do you think my brothers really gave a shit that the hatred they endured stemmed from past social injustices that they had no part in? Do you think the Native American kids knew why they hated the white kids?
The Black Panthers may have had good intentions in the beginning, but they eventually became an icon of black nationalism, the ugly side of Black Power. Today's version is an openly separatist group that preaches hate and there are people who eat it up.
Oh...you poor poor victims. I wonder why they might not have liked them.
There is a big differece in hating people who oppress you vs hating people you oppress. Perhaps you missed the memo.
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"Oh...you poor poor victims. I wonder why they might not have liked them.
There is a big differece in hating people who oppress you vs hating people you oppress. Perhaps you missed the memo.
I'm pretty sure some white kids in some school weren't opressing anyone. Probably it was more the other way around, if it's a school full of native americans and a few white people.
Because the tea party patriots are doing so much to help our poor indian tribes everywhere. :roll:
Quote from: "Plu"Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"Oh...you poor poor victims. I wonder why they might not have liked them.
There is a big differece in hating people who oppress you vs hating people you oppress. Perhaps you missed the memo.
I'm pretty sure some white kids in some school weren't opressing anyone. Probably it was more the other way around, if it's a school full of native americans and a few white people.
Sounds like that falls under the category of just plain shitty luck then.
By that logic, being born black in early US history is also plain shitty luck. Both are just cases of a majority fucking over a minority.
What do ya want, a hippy love fest?
That sounds like something to strive for, yeah. But I'd settle for people not being a bunch of fucking cunts to everyone even remotely different at this point.
I will admit it, I'm a bit racist.
Where I'm from there are blacks and whites, and though there are intermingling efforts there is still a clear divide. They look at us in distrust and we look at them in distrust
So while there's never any blatant violence there's still enough anger and distrust to make someone wary of being around groups of the other race
For expanse I was walking from class to my car a few weeks ago and I noticed a group of black guys walking around joking, nothing violent but I still took notice and I still looked for areas I could duck into if they decided to try anything
(Here I must negate my own comment because one single member of black or white is an easy target to get jumped)
The guys noticed me and started to follow me, they bunched up and quickened up their pace to close in on me
I ducked into a building filled with people and to my luck, some of the army recruiters, te group moved on.
Racism goes every way, and though we try to deny it. It still permeates our Society
I'm sorry, but in case anyone missed the notification there are some real assholes in this world. I didn't cause them all to be that way. :-$
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"Oh...you poor poor victims. I wonder why they might not have liked them.
There is a big differece in hating people who oppress you vs hating people you oppress. Perhaps you missed the memo.
So it's ok for my brothers to hate Native Americans now? Lovely.
QuoteSo yes, there is a difference, Plu. Those white kids weren't born into some victim identity that they cannot get rid of whatever they do.
But they're living in one now, because of their youth. It works both ways. One group of kids has stories of their grandparents about how their race was wiped out. The other has hands on experience of being beaten up by a bunch of native americans. I'm not sure why one is asked to look beyond actual, personal experience and the other is excused because they heard stories of people who are all long dead being treated poorly by other people who are also long dead and only very superficially resemble anyone alive today.
You can't expect any of this to change if you continue to let people
on either side bring up the past and use it as an excuse for behaviour today.
Quit yanking out your victim card Jack. You make this sound as if these kids jumped out of their limousines to beat up the poor white kid on his broken bicycle.
I'm not saying it's right and it's plainly not, but you're mentioning the black panthers in the same breath apparently spooked by anyone not your skin color. Hey, move to Florida. The victim card plays well with juries there I hear.
Quote from: "Shiranu"Quote from: "VladK"Okay maybe not invaded, but trespassing, yes. Or simply breaking the law.
If the law is injust and morally wrong, than it has no obligation to be obeyed or respected.
The majority of immigrants who move here illegally are extremely hardworking and are not "stealing jobs" (that would be the white CEO's who move them over seas).
The majority of immigrants who move here illegally are not committing any other crime, nor are they criminals in their own country, and are law abiding and tax paying citizens. They are mostly people who are fleeing countries that are full of criminals and poverty and want to contribute to our society.
The majority of welfare goes to white women, not immigrants.
The entire history of America is based on immigration, both legal and illegal. Undocumented workers built the very foundations of modern America, from our railroads, highways, infrastructure and their children have innovated technology used in all fields, from medical to construction to corporate. Many of the top American corporations are owned by the children of immigrants.
The entire history of America also revolves around fearing and demonizing and making the currently in vogue minority a boogieman. It hasn't even been a hundred years since my ancestor's were considered sub-human by the white establishment of America, and before the "Mexicans" (anyone south of the border is now apparently a Mexican) it was the Eastern Asians and African immigrants, as well as groups like the Turks, the Germans and the Japanese (Eastern Asian, obviously...) during WW2 (as well as us Italians), the Irish... pretty much any group besides the English you can imagine has been demonized at one point or another.
If they commit a serious crime, I say deport them without blinking. But if they are coming here, putting money into our government through taxes, working hard and supporting their families so the rest of us don't have to and are just the victim's of American "Boogieman" fears like many of our ancestors were at one point or another... let them be.
I think the biggest misconception is that most illegal immigrants are from South and Central America, when it's actually Canada and various parts of Europe that are the biggest contributors. We make it very hard in this country to so much as renew a work visa.
Yeah, I keep forgetting other people are just little machines that are fucked up before they even reach 6 years of age and then trapped to live out the rest of their lives in whatever shitty configuration they end up in at that point.
That whole "the only way to improve a society is to remove all the broken parts" approach is starting to look like a better and better option. :-k
Quote from: "drunkenshoe"Quote from: "Jack89"Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"Oh...you poor poor victims. I wonder why they might not have liked them.
There is a big differece in hating people who oppress you vs hating people you oppress. Perhaps you missed the memo.
So it's ok for my brothers to hate Native Americans now? Lovely.
No it isn't. But then they should remember first before race thing that they were all kids. KIDS.
teenagers in high school on the verge of adulthood.
It seems that some justify racial hatred because of social injustice perpetrated by past generations. I personally see this as a mistake. It merely produces more racists. Do you think all modern white racists are a product of old school institutional racism?
Mno, that argument relates to your idea that people are stuck in such an identity and cannot get out of it. If that's the case, the only reasonable outcomes appear to be either getting rid of all these people trapped in such a harmful and destructive identity so that we can start over with a clean slate, or accept that humanity will suck for all eternity to come.
As a problem solving individual, I can only see one of these two as worthwhile, I just don't really like it so I'll have to keep looking for alternatives.
Hmm..get rid of everyone not me.. In the abstract it makes sense. :-k In practice not so much.
I know. From the conclusion that people can get trapped into a broken identity and are unable to escape, you can only draw terrible conclusions about what this means for humanity and its future. I really hope it's conceptually wrong.
You know what fuck this.
White people don't hate black people because of "racism." They hate black people because they think black people want to hurt them and take their shit. There's nothing abstract or "cultural" or "economic" about this, this is a very logical, material reason to hate another group.
Quote from: "Plu"Mno, that argument relates to your idea that people are stuck in such an identity and cannot get out of it. If that's the case, the only reasonable outcomes appear to be either getting rid of all these people trapped in such a harmful and destructive identity so that we can start over with a clean slate, or accept that humanity will suck for all eternity to come.
As a problem solving individual, I can only see one of these two as worthwhile, I just don't really like it so I'll have to keep looking for alternatives.
I don't see the problem, honestly. We need to learn more about Pavlovian conditioning, do some Clockwork Orange shit to make them afraid of using violence.
Everyone wants your stuff and wants to hurt you. Everyone should be armed to the teeth at all times, even in the shower because there's a boogieman under every bed then. The truth is far different though, most people could care less about your stuff.
Except that it's not the color of the skin that drives black people to hurt you and take your shit, it's a number of cultural and economic factors that do that. Saying that it's the color of their skin is just a way to make the world really easy to understand, when it isn't and never will be.
yeah because that's what i put in my post. that's not what i actually wrote, but that's what i meant to write. you're such a psychic.
fucktard
Quote from: "zarus tathra"You know what fuck this.
White people don't hate black people because of "racism." They hate black people because they think black people want to hurt them and take their shit. There's nothing abstract or "cultural" or "economic" about this, this is a very logical, material reason to hate another group.
Yeah, because if you put a middle class blackman and a middle class whiteman side-by-side, same education level, same mental health... the black person "logically" will want to hurt you and take your shit more than the white man. I mean come on, it's logical!
Fuck this? No, how about fuck you. You are so stereotypical it's comical.
I don't know what your problem is, but it seems to be a rather large one. Maybe you should cool down and explain it, so that we can give you a normal response. Because right now I've got nothing useful to post except either this or a string of profanity directed at you, and that doesn't seem like it would be useful in this situation.
Quote from: "zarus tathra"yeah because that's what i put in my post. that's not what i actually wrote, but that's what i meant to write. you're such a psychic.
fucktard
Quote...There's nothing abstract or "cultural" or "economic" about this...
Yeah, you CLEARLY said NOTHING about it not being "cultural" or "economic"?
Maybe you should lay down, that net-rage is apparently hitting you hard, cookie cutter.
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"Oh...you poor poor victims. I wonder why they might not have liked them.
There is a big differece in hating people who oppress you vs hating people you oppress. Perhaps you missed the memo.
Explain why so many people hate me for being a white male? I've never oppressed anyone, to my knowledge. I'm a member of a multiracial family. As a retail manager for 15 years, I exerted extra effort to hire the disadvantaged, including minorities, the disabled, and even ex-convicts trying to go straight.
The idea that someone can hate me individually for institutional reasons is sloppy thinking at best, and
ex post facto justification at worst. Racial hatred is wrong.
Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"Oh...you poor poor victims. I wonder why they might not have liked them.
There is a big differece in hating people who oppress you vs hating people you oppress. Perhaps you missed the memo.
Explain why so many people hate me for being a white male? I've never oppressed anyone, to my knowledge. I'm a member of a multiracial family. As a retail manager for 15 years, I exerted extra effort to hire the disadvantaged, including minorities, the disabled, and even ex-convicts trying to go straight.
The idea that someone can hate me individually for institutional reasons is sloppy thinking at best, and ex post facto justification at worst. Racial hatred is wrong.
Who is hating you today, me? If you perceive it that way you're really overreaching there pal. This so called white victimhood sounds about like christians claiming we're persecuting them.
QuoteWho is hating you today, me? If you perceive it that way you're really overreaching there pal. This so called white victimhood sounds about like christians claiming we're persecuting them.
well we are kind of trying to destroy their institutions, or at least erode their influence significantly, you can't deny that. if we aren't then why the fuck are we even here
As for my statements about race, what I meant by saying that it wasn't about culture or economics was that unlike other class conflicts in Western history, white people's anxieties about black people aren't about rising income levels or an erosion of class divisions, their anxieties are purely about a simple, very physical fear of getting stabbed/shot. Don't give me the "blah blah blah you can't generalize" bullshit, if a racial group's crime rate is like 6 times that of the national average, that's going to turn some heads.
I'm not white, in case you're wondering.
Yeah, let's just forget that bullshit about police harassment, economics, substandard housing, segregation, jim crow and on and on and on and lets pretend white people aren't violent and never rob and steal and all that bullshit. Let's pretend black people in this country are locked up at a FAR higher rate for drug crimes even though usage rates are the same, but it's their own faults and Hollywood never had a hand in public perception. Ever been in a police drug sweep to arrest everyone so much as standing in a certain part of town? I have.
What do you want, a fucking medal?
Apparently arrest rates are identical to victim reports of race (//http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewsubcategory.asp?id=1627). That means that even if cops disproportionately arrest black people, victims "disproportionately" report that black people were the ones attacking them. EVERY SINGLE STUDY TRYING TO FIND OUT IF COPS ARE "RACIST" HAS COME UP EMPTY, and this isn't even counting the HOARDS of academic articles that tried to prove it and were never published because the statistics didn't support them.
Quote from: "zarus tathra"QuoteWho is hating you today, me? If you perceive it that way you're really overreaching there pal. This so called white victimhood sounds about like christians claiming we're persecuting them.
well we are kind of trying to destroy their institutions, or at least erode their influence significantly, you can't deny that. if we aren't then why the fuck are we even here
As for my statements about race, what I meant by saying that it wasn't about culture or economics was that unlike other class conflicts in Western history, white people's anxieties about black people aren't about rising income levels or an erosion of class divisions, their anxieties are purely about a simple, very physical fear of getting stabbed/shot. Don't give me the "blah blah blah you can't generalize" bullshit, if a racial group's crime rate is like 6 times that of the national average, that's going to turn some heads.
I'm not white, in case you're wondering.
Why do you think that this is the case?
Whatever. I live among roughly 250 black men in a rather closed society, the YMCA in downtown Columbus. I don't know the exact numbers, but it's about 50/50 white/black with abiut 500 rooms. We have common bathrooms, most people, over 90% live below poverty levels, many with no income. I spent the past year in homeless shelters, about the same rates. I shot heroin for many years and hung out in dope houses with a LOT of black people and have lived in mixed neighborhoods all my adult life.
Quit watching Fox and their big, bad scarey stories.
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I really don't understand the "left wing"'s obsession with protecting the reputation of the viciously reckless poor. Regardless, I've hung out with various members of the lumpenproletariat and they've actually never been a threat to me personally.
Zarus, you're really a twit. You don't really even deserve a response, but just know you're outnumbered in your ivory tower. You ought to try meeting a few poor people, but of course you're to fucking good to be seen with common trash. Fuck off prick.
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"Whatever. I live among roughly 250 black men in a rather closed society, the YMCA in downtown Columbus. I don't know the exact numbers, but it's about 50/50 white/black with abiut 500 rooms. We have common bathrooms, most people, over 90% live below poverty levels, many with no income. I spent the past year in homeless shelters, about the same rates. I shot heroin for many years and hung out in dope houses with a LOT of black people and have lived in mixed neighborhoods all my adult life.
Quit watching Fox and their big, bad scarey stories.
So most people black, white, hispanic, asians, etc, etc, aren't overtly racist. I think that's understood. I also get that minorities have been oppressed. I can see that oppression being a reason for racism, but that does no make it acceptable.
Throughout this thread you've marginalized any racism mention from minorities, even telling me and others to quit playing the victim car. In the same breath you point out that minorities are victims of white oppression and imply they deserve special consideration. You are discriminating.
My point is that there should be no discrimination. There is no excuse for being racist, and there should be no marginalization or tolerance of it from any perspective. You will never have equality if you keep emphasizing differences and making exceptions.
And excusing peoples racism because of past injustices is bullshit. If you tolerate bad social behavior it will only get worse.
QuoteIf you tolerate bad social behavior it will only get worse.
They don't tolerate it, in a distant, political sense, they reward it.
When did I say there are no racists in any other race besides the white race? Hey, I get it. You're afraid of your own shadow. No big deal. At least I feel much safer knowing your probably hiding under your beds with your guns instead of hanging out where I do.
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"When did I say there are no racists in any other race besides the white race? Hey, I get it. You're afraid of your own shadow. No big deal. At least I feel much safer knowing your probably hiding under your beds with your guns instead of hanging out where I do.
No, you don't get it. Try objectively reading my last post.