After the Nye/Ham debate, Matt Stopera of Buzzfeed asked 22 self-professed creationists to write out questions or comments that they would want to present to the other side.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/messages ... n-evolutio (http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/messages-from-creationists-to-people-who-believe-in-evolutio)
Here are my answers.
1. Bill Nye, are you influencing the minds of children in a positive way?
Yes. Teaching science and reason, and debunking woo, are good things.
2. Are you scared of a divine creator?
No. Why should I be afraid of something that doesn't exist?
3. Is it completely illogical that the Earth was created mature, i.e. trees with rings, Adam created as an adult...
I suppose it's possible, but given our understanding of nature, it's so unlikely as to be absurd. It would require heaps of evidence to demonstrate.
4. Does not the second law of thermodynamics disprove evolution?
No, because the earth is not a closed system. It receives energy from the sun and from heat deep within its mantle.
5. How do you explain a sunset if their [sic] is no God?
The rotation of the earth.
6. If the Big Bang theory is true and taught as science along with evolution, why do the laws of thermodynamics debunk said theories?
They don't. See Question 4.
7. What about noetics?
Not relevant to the topic.
8. Where do you derive objective meaning in life?
I don't.
9. If God did not create everything, how did the first single-celled organism originate? By chance?
By abiogenesis: the organization of ever more complex compounds until a self-sustaining self-replicating system forms. Evolution starts once that is established.
10. I believe in the Big Bang theory ... God said it and BANG it happened!
Bully for you.
11. Why do evolutionists/secularists/huminists[sic]/non-God believing people reject the idea of their [sic] being a Creator God but embrace the concept of intelligent design from aliens or other extra-terrestrial sources?
We "embrace" such a concept? That's news to me. However, supposing this happened, life would still originate ultimately from a natural source.
12. There is no inbetween... the only one found has been Lucy and there are only a few pieces of the hundreds necessary for an official proof?
No, we have many fossil Australopithecus. Eight, if I'm not mistaken. And that's just that genus. There are reams of hominid fossils, presenting a very gradual but clear change over time. And as for other fossils... countless examples, with more being discovered every day.
13. Does metamorphosis help support evolution?
Not sure of the relevance of the question. Could you elaborate?
14. If Evolution is a Theory (like creationism or the Bible), why then is Evolution taught as fact?
The Theory of Evolution is a scientific model that explains the fact of evolution. Oh, and neither creationism nor the Bible are theories.
15. Because science by definition is a "theory" - not testable, observable or repeatable", why do you object to creationism or intelligent design being taught in school?
Science is all about observing, testing and repeatability. Creationism (which includes "intelligent design") is non-scientific bunkum.
16. What mechanism has science discovered that evidences an increase of genetic information seen in any genetic mutation or evolutionary process?
Mutation.
17. What purpose do you think you are here for if you do not believe in salvation?
I determine my own purpose in life.
18. Why have we found only 1 "Lucy" when we have found more than 1 of everything else?
See Question 12.
19. Can you believe in the Big Bang without "faith".
Yes, because there is evidence for the Big Bang.
20. How can you look at the world and not believe Someone Created/thought of it? It's Amazing!!!
"Look at the trees!" Nyuk nyuk.
21. Relating to the Big Bang theory... where did the exploding star come from?
What exploding star?
22. If we came from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?
Nice attempt at a Poe there, fellow evolutionist!
Quote5. How do you explain a sunset if their [sic] is no God?
The rotation of the earth.
wow. They actually asked that? And that's your answer? Clearly it was the mighty Helios and His winged horses pulling His chariot of fire across the sky.
And they love lucy as well and they tout their inability to google as proof that evidence doesn't exist. I used to love answering lists like these, but
all the lists end up being exactly the same. It's almost as if they don't listen to the evidence and have a vested interest in keeping their position.
I like how they added number 10, even though it isn't even a question. Shows how interested they are in gaining knowledge vs shouting to the world that they still think they are relevant.
They were, no doubt, coached on what to say in those pix. "If it's a really good question we'll put it on the Internet." :roll:
I've decided to ignore the PRATT questions, and move on to deciding which people in the pics I'd shag and which ones I wouldn't:
1. Would not shag.
2. Would not shag.
3. Would not shag.
4. Would not shag.
5. Would shag.
6. Would not shag.
7. Would shag.
8. Would shag.
9. Would not shag.
10. Would shag.
11. Would not shag.
12. Would shag.
13. Would shag.
14. Would not shag.
15. Would not shag.
16. Would not shag.
17. Would shag.
18. Would not shag.
19. Would not shag.
20. Would shag.
21. Would not shag.
22. Would shag.
Quote from: "Jason78"I've decided to ignore the PRATT questions, and move on to deciding which people in the pics I'd shag and which ones I wouldn't:
1. Would not shag.
2. Would not shag.
3. Would not shag.
4. Would not shag.
5. Would shag.
6. Would not shag.
7. Would shag.
8. Would shag.
9. Would not shag.
10. Would shag.
11. Would not shag.
12. Would shag.
13. Would shag.
14. Would not shag.
15. Would not shag.
16. Would not shag.
17. Would shag.
18. Would not shag.
19. Would not shag.
20. Would shag.
21. Would not shag.
22. Would shag.
Enh, 20 isn't my type
The stupid probably burns too strong in them for any of them to make that list :/
Quote from: "drunkenshoe"Questions. WTF. :roll:
I refuse to shag any human asking those questions, even if I die from sex deprivation. And I am pretty close. :P
I really hope this isn't on the evening news.
Coroner's report: The poor woman may have died from some terrible lingering disease, we're not sure, but definitely suffered from sex deprivation which ultimately lead to her demise. :shock:
Quote from: "GrinningYMIR"Enh, 20 isn't my type
She kinda reminds me of Kate Micucci
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Yeah but Kate Micucci is really smart and witty, and that's what makes her attractive :P These people are dumb as sacks of rocks.
Don't you think you're being kind of harsh toward the intelligence of rocks?
Quote from: "Atheon"12. There is no inbetween... the only one found has been Lucy and there are only a few pieces of the hundreds necessary for an official proof?
No, we have many fossil Australopithecus. Eight, if I'm not mistaken. And that's just that genus. There are reams of hominid fossils, presenting a very gradual but clear change over time. And as for other fossils... countless examples, with more being discovered every day.
I quick search I did yesterday suggests it is like 360 Australopithecus afarensis remands. If we start throwing in other Australopithecus (anamensis, africanus, ect) then I have no idea how many there are.
Couldn't help but notice how many of the questions in the OP are about God and not evolution. Methinks creationists are trying apologetics and the whole "debate" is simply the vehicle for it. They don't give a damn about evolution.
Quote from: "Plu"Yeah but Kate Micucci is really smart and witty, and that's what makes her attractive :P These people are dumb as sacks of rocks.
:evil: See username.
Honsetly, I've seen lists like this before, and they made about as much sense then as they do now. Whats up with creationists and lists?
Here is a great, one image reaction to the 22 creationist questions//http://redd.it/1x6r7c
I'm not sure I get the image... what's it referencing? :/
Quote from: "Jason78"I've decided to ignore the PRATT questions, and move on to deciding which people in the pics I'd shag and which ones I wouldn't:
1. Would not shag.
2. Would not shag.
3. Would not shag.
4. Would not shag.
5. Would shag.
6. Would not shag.
7. Would shag.
8. Would shag.
9. Would not shag.
10. Would shag.
11. Would not shag.
12. Would shag.
13. Would shag.
14. Would not shag.
15. Would not shag.
16. Would not shag.
17. Would shag.
18. Would not shag.
19. Would not shag.
20. Would shag.
21. Would not shag.
22. Would shag.
I'll take 4 and definitely 12, please. Just need to make sure I use an alias and a foreign accent so they never know I am from here...
QuoteI refuse to shag any human asking those questions, even if I die from sex deprivation. And I am pretty close.
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Ham has the best defense when he said nothing could change his mind. Pity it was for Nye's position.
Quote from: "Jason78"I've decided to ignore the PRATT questions, and move on to deciding which people in the pics I'd shag and which ones I wouldn't:
1. Would not shag.
2. Would not shag.
3. Would not shag.
4. Would not shag.
5. Would shag.
6. Would not shag.
7. Would shag.
8. Would shag.
9. Would not shag.
10. Would shag.
11. Would not shag.
12. Would shag.
13. Would shag.
14. Would not shag.
15. Would not shag.
16. Would not shag.
17. Would shag.
18. Would not shag.
19. Would not shag.
20. Would shag.
21. Would not shag.
22. Would shag.
For me: any of the women except No. 16.
Quote from: "Plu"I'm not sure I get the image... what's it referencing? :/
The 22 questions from creationists, which were apparently submitted in image form. Most of the "objections" to evolution rested on gross misunderstandings of the core concept. It's like asking how a car could work for hours on end without the dragon inside the engine getting tired.
Quote from: "Plu"I'm not sure I get the image... what's it referencing? :/
whoever made the image photoshopped a classic line from the movie zoolander
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The creationist questions (//http://dead-logic.blogspot.com/2014/02/messages-from-creationists.html) are seriously about on that level.
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Tide goes in, tide goes out. Can't explain that.
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The same reason that British people are still around even though they colonized much of the world.
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Now that you mention it, yeah, that's pretty illogical.
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Note the repetition with the sunset "question". This is apparently a profound argument in creationist circles. Nature exists, therefore God. Which God? Allah, of course. Isn't it obvious?!
That one about explaining the sunset stumps me completely. Gee, I dunno. Can anyone here help? :-D
Quote from: "SGOS"That one about explaining the sunset stumps me completely. Gee, I dunno. Can anyone here help? :-D
It's Thor smashing the sun with his mighty hammer until the sun falls below the horizon. The colorful lights are simply arcs of energy given off by the impacts.
Gee, they forgot to ask, "But Bill! If God didn't bring you to this debate how did you get here? " :shock:
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Quote from: "Gawdzilla Sama"http://imgur.com/gallery/PbBTk
THAT IS BRILLIANT :shock: =D> :lol:
Quote from: "Insult to Rocks"Quote from: "Plu"Yeah but Kate Micucci is really smart and witty, and that's what makes her attractive :P These people are dumb as sacks of rocks.
:evil: See username.
Honsetly, I've seen lists like this before, and they made about as much sense then as they do now. Whats up with creationists and lists?
It's how they debate. Throw out as much crap as they can. If it's a timed debate you run out of time before you refute it all. If it's a text debate with a word limit you run out of room. Even without those limitations they're hoping you'll miss something in the avalanche of bullshit and they can claim victory on that one point.
It's called a "Gish Gallop". (//http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop)
One time when confronted with a Gish Gallop on a forum, I didn't even bother giving detailed refutations. I simply quoted each item on the list one by one and responded with "that's false" to each. It annoyed the piss out of the Gish Galloper.
You're probably a closet gish galloper, just to lazy to do the typing. :-$
Yup. And notice how more than half of the questions have absolutely nothing to do with evolution.
Quote from: "Atheon"Yup. And notice how more than half of the questions have absolutely nothing to do with evolution.
Typical for creationists. The Bible is more their reading level, anyway.
Quote from: "Hydra009"Quote from: "Atheon"Yup. And notice how more than half of the questions have absolutely nothing to do with evolution.
Typical for creationists. The Bible is more their reading level, anyway.
Not really. There are some big words in there. Multiple syllable stuff. Probably why most hardcore bible thumpers don't even read it.
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"You're probably a closet gish galloper, just to lazy to do the typing. :-$
Whatever.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/messages ... n-evolutio (http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/messages-from-creationists-to-people-who-believe-in-evolutio)
Of course the standard one, number 22, had to be there!?!
We have at least 2 topics with these messages already, did you really have to open another one? :P
How did we get 3 topics on 22 questions without gods help? :-s
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"How did we get 3 topics on 22 questions without gods help? :-s
Obviously it is Satan's doing.
Quote from: "Plu"We have at least 2 topics with these messages already, did you really have to open another one? :P
???
Quote from: "SGOS"That one about explaining the sunset stumps me completely. Gee, I dunno. Can anyone here help? :-D
well see the earth has been flat for many years throughout history, then god said fuck flat I am going round and throw in a sunset for shits and giggles.
if they had only asked about sunrises I myself would have defiantly been stumped on this one.
Quote from: "Hydra009"Quote from: "Atheon"Yup. And notice how more than half of the questions have absolutely nothing to do with evolution.
Typical for creationists. The Bible is more their reading level, anyway.
The Bible is actually well above their amateur reading level. The professional readers of the Bible, even the Christian ones generally find it somewhat puzzling how creationists can believe the bible is an inerrant work.
17. What purpose do you think you are here for if you do not believe in salvation?
I determine my own purpose in life.
Can you believe they asked that? If you're not here to fear the sky fairy because of human traits.. what do you have? A life. Brain-washing assholes.