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Mere childs play... NBC reports a source in China that says Kim Jung Un had his uncle eaten by hungry dogs..probably while alive.. YIKES! :shock:
Ranks up there with being put in an iron box and thrown into the desert and Burned at the stake in terms of pleasantness
Unspeakable cruelty lurks in dictatorships..
Plu's response to my question why U.S. refuse to invade North Korea:
Quote from: "Plu"Also, they don't because there's nothing to gain there. Nobody would make money off of invading North Korea, so there's no reason.
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But this is not about money. This is about human rights. Human rights should weigh heavier than money.
If a capitalists screams up about lack of human rights in "communist" countries, they should invade them and install human rights.
Or else, the capitalists are just as bad when it comes to the lack of human rights, as are the supposed "communist" countries.
Without any evidence and just the speculation of Wen Wei Po to go on, I don't think anyone can say for sure what eventually happened to Jang Song Thaek.
Quote from: "mediumaevum"Quote from: "Plu"Also, they don't because there's nothing to gain there. Nobody would make money off of invading North Korea, so there's no reason.
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But this is not about money. This is about human rights. Human rights should weigh heavier than money.
If a capitalists screams up about lack of human rights in "communist" countries, they should invade them and install human rights.
Or else, the capitalists are just as bad when it comes to the lack of human rights, as are the supposed "communist" countries.
Well...invasions are expensive and capitalists don't generally give a rats ass about human rights.
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"Unspeakable cruelty lurks in dictatorships..
Yeah, because I hear that Guantanamo Bay is like DisneyLand.
QuoteBut this is not about money. This is about human rights. Human rights should weigh heavier than money.
Only to people without money. People with a lot of money don't give a fuck about human rights. That's why they have a lot of money.
QuoteIf a capitalists screams up about lack of human rights in "communist" countries, they should invade them and install human rights.
Or else, the capitalists are just as bad when it comes to the lack of human rights, as are the supposed "communist" countries.
Don't confuse capitalists and people living in a capitalist country. Real capitalists don't scream about human rights, because capitalism has nothing to do with human rights. Capitalism has to do with money. People who are capitalists might care about human rights from some other descriptor. The ones with money usually don't, they care about money.
Especially the ones that make money off of influencing politicians and producing weapons don't generally tend to care about human rights or they wouldn't have made it very far in their field of business.
Quote from: "Jason78"Without any evidence and just the speculation of Wen Wei Po to go on, I don't think anyone can say for sure what eventually happened to Jang Song Thaek.
Kim Jung un knows.. maybe Dennis Rodman visited to watch..who knows?
Quote from: "Jason78"Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"Unspeakable cruelty lurks in dictatorships..
Yeah, because I hear that Guantanamo Bay is like DisneyLand.
It ain't NK.. There's really no comparison. [-X
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"It ain't NK.. There's really no comparison. [-X
Yes there is. The dead don't suffer. And people are still being tortured at Guantanamo Bay.
People are also still being tortured in NK, in larger numbers. And probably in worse ways.
But Guantanamo Bay is still a good reminder that the US is becoming just as much of a shithole as NK is.
China's official television in the US reported that he was killed with 94 bullets, and then his body was incinerated with a flame thrower.
The story changes.
Frank
So we send entire generations of families to spend their lives in prison labor camps? Hardly. There is no comparison, but I'll stay out of this idiotic apples vs Chuck Norris vs oranges argument.
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"So we send entire generations of families to spend their lives in prison labor camps? Hardly. There is no comparison, but I'll stay out of this idiotic apples vs Chuck Norris vs oranges argument.
You said that
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"Unspeakable cruelty lurks in dictatorships..
My point was that you don't have to look too far from home to see unspeakable cruelty.
Cruelty isn't new and no society can claim immunity. Some, however are far more cruel than others. NK has us beat. I'm not saying we don't have our own brand. We absolutely do, but look around yourself...we don't imprison entire families, don't lop off heads for not bowing down to allah or make laws to ban homosexuality (except in Texas) and generally don't let entire classes starve to death inside our borders. I'm pretty sure there's a long list somewhere.
That's like .5 mouthfuls of flesh for each dog.
Quote from: "zarus tathra"That's like .5 mouthfuls of flesh for each dog.
Lots of bones to chew on too.. Gives all new meaning to chew toy, eh?
Quote from: "mediumaevum"But this is not about money. This is about human rights. Human rights should weigh heavier than money.
Oh, you poor naive bastard.
There have been multiple versions of how he was killed. Either way, I doubt it was great, but it is more than likely he was simply shot by a hit group and then the press went on to exaggerate how brutally he was killed to prove how much of a chingon Un is.
As for invading NK... if we did that, we would also need to invade half of Africa and the Middle East to stay consistent. And of course China would not be happy if we stationed our army right by their border. And there is no telling how Un would respond... it's quite possible he would have his people mass executed just as a "fuck you" to us.
Okay, about the whole "Rich capitalists have no morals thing"? Please stop. Rich people are still people, and generalization of them is stupid and illogical, especially when the only thing that joins them together is their financial status.
About a North Korean invasion.... there are multiple reasons against an invasion at the moment. First, the world community has its' hands full with the Middle East right now. Second, NK has nuclear capabilities, and, given their suicidal zealotry towards their government, would most likely use nukes, even if it meant their own destruction. Third, NK is allied with China, but they have a tumultuous relationship. Any intervention would likely wait until we convince China to let us, or until we gather enough countries behind our banner to dissuade China from intervening, both of which would take time.
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"Well...invasions are expensive and capitalists don't generally give a rats ass about human rights.
There's also the fact that even well-meaning invasions often arouse patriotic resentment. Never mind that NK is distant, and terrain not very suited for invasion (mountainous, poor road network, harsh weather this time of year), and couple that with the fact that the US is not responsible for the well=beiong of the world, and needs to stop acting like the big kid in school, and you can count me against anything committing American lives into the balance.
Any invasion of North Korea would be extremely costly in both lives and money, it would be like Iraq times ten. The NK government would fall easily as long as China didn't back them up, but then you'd have to deal with various generals and military units trying to wildly grab whatever power they can in the chaos. Add to that around 20 to 30 million unskilled, technologically ignorant North Koreas that would have to somehow be integrated into the South Korean economy and society. Even a peaceful reunification at this point would make the German one look like a pleasant walk in the park.
It's the clusterfuck of clusterfucks for anyone involved so no one is going to get seriously involved unless NK really fucks up by actually invading SK.
Here's a quick idea of just how backwater North Korea is. Let's see if you can spot the country on this satellite image:
(//http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2011/12/19/C0044096-Korea_at_night%2C_satellite_image-SPL.jpg)
Guessing that is Pyongyang on the middle-west side of Korea? I thought it was closer... :.
Quote from: "Insult to Rocks"Okay, about the whole "Rich capitalists have no morals thing"? Please stop. Rich people are still people, and generalization of them is stupid and illogical, especially when the only thing that joins them together is their financial status.
But some people are less people than others.
The rich are hypocrites. They want human rights - for themselves. They care nothing about North Korean massacres, yet they refer to North Korean massacres whenever
poor and disabled and unemployed people want a little money to survive on, saying that if the poor should be fed, we get a North Korean society.
Quote from: "Jason78"Without any evidence and just the speculation of Wen Wei Po to go on, I don't think anyone can say for sure what eventually happened to Jang Song Thaek.
An explanation of why this story is to be doubted. (//http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-echochambers-25597324)