Let's pass a law saying that a hospital can't withdraw life support from a pregnant woman... What could possibly go wrong with that?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... pport.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2529157/Erick-Munoz-wants-pregnant-wife-Marlise-life-support.html)
That is truly fucked up.
"Abortions are terrible, how could you possibly take this poor child's life? Every fetus is sacred!"
"...............unless the mother is on life support, in which case who really gives a shit about the fetus?"
Good to see conservative lawmakers are staying consistent on their moral outrage over the "murder" of unborn children. Oh, wait...
I'm sort of morbidly curious as to how the kid would even turn out. From the article it says the mom was without oxygen for about an hour, so I wonder if the kid would be able to recover from such, or would he/she be mentally retarded provided he/she even lived at all.
Quote from: "Shiranu""Abortions are terrible, how could you possibly take this poor child's life? Every fetus is sacred!"
"...............unless the mother is on life support, in which case who really gives a shit about the fetus?"
Good to see conservative lawmakers are staying consistent on their moral outrage over the "murder" of unborn children. Oh, wait...
This does not seem to connect with the article? In the article they
are consistent in this moral outrage... it's the parents who want to take her off life support and end the fetus' life with the mother's. The conservatives are trying to keep the fetus alive despite this.
Quote from: "Plu"it's the parents who want to take her off life support and end the fetus' life with the mother's.
Marlise was a paramedic with a DNR and a living will. She's the one that wants to be off life support. Probably because she's seen what oxygen deprivation does to the patients she has resuscitated.
Uh, yeah you're right. The mother wanted this and the husband/parents are supporting her wishes.
"Life support" in the title of the article is very misleading. The woman is not in a coma or persistent vegetative state. She's dead, medically and legally.
Her whole brain, including the brain stem is dead. There's no way to prevent the deterioration of bodily functions in a brain dead person. Although it's possible to sustain her body's heartbeat by oxygenating the blood with a ventilator and giving medications to regulate things that the brain stem and other parts of the brain regulate (blood pressure, temperature, etc, etc), her body functions have already started irreversibly deteriorating no matter what they do.
There is one case where a brain-dead woman's body was kept artificially functioning about as long as this case would take, but it's highly immoral of the state to force a dead woman's body to sustain a pregnancy unnaturally against the wishes of the family.
Every time I think how fucked up Utah is, somebody posts something about Texas. Wow. Texas isn't a state, it's a state of insanity.
Quote from: "aileron""Life support" in the title of the article is very misleading. The woman is not in a coma or persistent vegetative state. She's dead, medically and legally.
And this just adds a few more layers of wrong. There is indeed quite a difference between life-support and pumping blood through a carcass...
Aand just who is paying the hospital bills? A one day stay in the hospital for my wife, even with good insurance, netted me an $900.00 bill, not counting labs, xrays, etc. Whoever came up with this law should be publicly stripped, beaten and spat upon by every person available.
Quote from: "aileron"Let's pass a law saying that a hospital can't withdraw life support from a pregnant woman... What could possibly go wrong with that?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... pport.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2529157/Erick-Munoz-wants-pregnant-wife-Marlise-life-support.html)
It just illustrates the complete idoicy of Texas and elected officials here.
The comments are hard to read.
Every now and again, I come to believe I have no faith in humanity left to lose. And then Texas makes the news.
Texas.... we meet again I see. Just how much misery are you willing to cause before you admit that you were wrong? This level of depravity and inhumanity is repulsive.
as mean as it sounds it would only be fitting it the kid came out a toad and we could hold it up to the tea-party and say. Yippee! Now we can pay for its life for ever and ever until god kills it. Good sound financial planning.
Quote from: "stromboli"Aand just who is paying the hospital bills?
Why would anyone have to pay the bills? Dead people don't pay debts.
Quote from: "Jason78"Quote from: "stromboli"Aand just who is paying the hospital bills?
Why would anyone have to pay the bills? Dead people don't pay debts.
Nope, but their families will.
Quote from: "The Skeletal Atheist"I'm sort of morbidly curious as to how the kid would even turn out. From the article it says the mom was without oxygen for about an hour, so I wonder if the kid would be able to recover from such, or would he/she be mentally retarded provided he/she even lived at all.
I've been wondering the same thing. This kid could be extremely messed up, but theres no way to know. An abortion might very well be the gentler option.
As a male I will always maintain my stand that abortion is the right for women to choose. Unfortunately this world still has a lot of repressive male shitheads that think they can abuse and subjugate women all because they rule over them and gaaaaaaawd said they could. I yearn for the day that such men are tossed into the dustbin of history.
Quote from: "Plu"Quote from: "Shiranu""Abortions are terrible, how could you possibly take this poor child's life? Every fetus is sacred!"
"...............unless the mother is on life support, in which case who really gives a shit about the fetus?"
Good to see conservative lawmakers are staying consistent on their moral outrage over the "murder" of unborn children. Oh, wait...
This does not seem to connect with the article? In the article they are consistent in this moral outrage... it's the parents who want to take her off life support and end the fetus' life with the mother's. The conservatives are trying to keep the fetus alive despite this.
Oh I misread it, thought it said lawmaker's supported it. Nvm.
Quote from: "aitm"as mean as it sounds it would only be fitting it the kid came out a toad and we could hold it up to the tea-party and say. Yippee! Now we can pay for its life for ever and ever until god kills it. Good sound financial planning.
Could you imagine if the kid became a mass murderer? He/she grows up in Texas, gets all the guns, alcohol, and Bruce Willis movies it can possibly take, goes to a evangelical megachurch that preaches hate and prejudice, and because Texas teaches revissionist history and pseudo-science, he/she embarks on a mission from gawd and starts killing everything in sight. Of course the opposite could happen and the kid could grow up and find a cure for teapartyism!
Wrote my legislator.
Can we give Texas back to Mexico/Spain yet? I'll gladly chip in a few bucks for a repurchase.
Quote from: "Rex Rgis Verum"Can we give Texas back to Mexico/Spain yet? I'll gladly chip in a few bucks for a repurchase.
If you sell us, give us to Spain please. That way I can get a EU citizenship.
Quote from: "wolf39us"Quote from: "Jason78"Quote from: "stromboli"Aand just who is paying the hospital bills?
Why would anyone have to pay the bills? Dead people don't pay debts.
Nope, but their families will.
They can do that in America?
> Can we give Texas back to Mexico/Spain yet? I'll gladly chip in a few bucks for a repurchase.
Let them succeed, as they keep threatening. We'll still build the wall; it will just be between Texas and Oklahoma instead of between Texas and Mexico.
Frank
Welcome to Nazi Germany. Please set your watches back 70 years.
Frank
Every time I see one of those stupid Texas Tourism board advertisements, "Texas, it's like a whole other country!" I ask myself, "Why don't we make it one?"
Seriously, why don't the fuckers just secede and name their new country "Jesusland?"
Shir, Spain and the EU wouldn't take Texas if we gave it to them.
Perhaps they should also pass a law that says they must remove life support from Texas lawmakers.
Quote from: "Jason78"They can do that in America?
What part of "land of the free" don't you understand?
Quote from: "GalacticBusDriver"Every time I see one of those stupid Texas Tourism board advertisements, "Texas, it's like a whole other country!" I ask myself, "Why don't we make it one?"
Seriously, why don't the fuckers just secede and name their new country "Jesusland?"
Shir, Spain and the EU wouldn't take Texas if we gave it to them.
All things being equal, we'd rather have Colorado.
Sorry, I think money talks. I think the EU would love having a pocket oil production and distribution state in the New World to bring in some mad revenue. As well as one of the biggest tech industries in the U.S. and North America. As well as several other industries.
Hate Texas culture all you want, I know I do, but Texas is a far more productive and beneficial state to the union than 90% of the other states.
Playing devil's advocate...
She's a corpse. The fetus apparently isn't. Why can't the fetus be allowed to use this corpse as an incubator so it can survive? There is an argument to be made that the needs of the living outweigh the needs of the dead.
Because it's the wish of basically the entire extended line of family of this fetus that it die along with the mother, so at best you're bringing into the world a child that will be a permanent reminder that the government overruled the wishes of your once-wife and used her corpse as a breeding machine against everyone's wishes. I can imagine how great of a childhood the kid will get.
That's a good point GSOgymrat. But that fetus was deprived of oxygen for the same amount of time as it's mother. I am not a doctor, but I don't fancy that baby's chances of coming out healthy.
Quote from: "Plu"Because it's the wish of basically the entire extended line of family of this fetus that it die along with the mother, so at best you're bringing into the world a child that will be a permanent reminder that the government overruled the wishes of your once-wife and used her corpse as a breeding machine against everyone's wishes. I can imagine how great of a childhood the kid will get.
If the family agreed to this procedure would you have an objection?
Not really. If there's someone there waiting for the child to love and raise it, that's ok with me.