"Muhammad was married to thirteen women, including eleven at one time. He relegated them to either consecutive days or (according to some accounts) all in one night. He married a 9-year-old girl and even his adopted son's wife. On top of that, Muhammad had a multitude of slave girls and concubines with whom he had sex - sometimes on the very days in which they had watched their husbands and fathers die at the hands of his army."
So, by any realistic measure, the creator of the world's most sexually restrictive religion was also one of the most sexually indulgent characters in history.
From the Hadith:
Muslim (8:3309) - Muhammad consummated his marriage to Aisha when she was only nine. (See also Bukhari 58:234 and many other places). No where in the reliable Hadith or Sira is there any other age given.
Bukhari (62:18) - Aisha's father, Abu Bakr, wasn't on board at first, but Muhammad explained how the rules of their religion made it possible. This is similar to the way that present-day cult leaders manipulate their followers into similar concessions.
Muslim (8:3311) - The girl took her dolls with her to Muhammad's house (something to play with when the "prophet" was not having sex with her).
Bukhari (6:298) - Muhammad would take a bath with the little girl and fondle her.
Muslim (8:3460) - "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you could sport with her and she sport with you, or you could amuse with her and she could amuse with you?" Muhammad posed this question to one of his followers who had married an "older woman" instead of opting to fondle a child.
Bukhari (4:232) - Muhammad's wives would wash semen stains out of his clothes, which were still wet from the spot-cleaning even when he went to the mosque for prayers. Between copulation and prayer, it's a wonder he found the time to slay pagans.
Bukhari (6:300) - Muhammad's wives had to be available for the prophet's fondling even when they were having their menstrual period.
Bukhari (93:639) - The Prophet of Islam would recite the 'Holy Qur'an' with his head in Aisha's lap, when she was menstruating.
Bukhari (62:6) - "The Prophet used to go round (have sexual relations with) all his wives in one night, and he had nine wives." Muhammad also said that it was impossible to treat all wives equally - and it isn't hard to guess why.
Bukhari (5:268) - "The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, 'Had the Prophet the strength for it?' Anas replied, 'We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty men.' "
Bukhari (60:311) - "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires." These words were spoken by Aisha within the context of her husband having been given 'Allah's permission' to fulfill his sexual desires with a large number of women in whatever order he chooses. (It has been suggested that Aisha may have been speaking somewhat wryly).
Muslim (8:3424) - One of several narrations in which a leering Muhammad orders a clearly startled woman to suckle a grown man with her breast so that he will become "unlawful" to her - meaning that they can live under the same roof together.
Tabari IX:137 - "Allah granted Rayhana of the Qurayza to Muhammad as booty." Muhammad considered the women that he captured and enslaved to be God's gift to him.
Tabari VIII:117 - "Dihyah had asked the Messenger for Safiyah when the Prophet chose her for himself... the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims." He sometimes pulled rank to reserve the most beautiful captured women for himself.
On the other hand, Muhammad passed down revelations from Allah that clearly condoned sleeping with underage girls, even by the standard of puberty. Qur'an (65:4) relates rules for divorce, one of them being that a waiting period of three months is established to determine that the woman is not pregnant. But the same rule applies to "those too who have not had their courses," meaning girls who have not begun to menstruate.
Thanks to Muhammad's extremely poor judgment (at best) and explicit approval of pedophilia, sex with children became deeply ingrained in the Islamic tradition. For many centuries, Muslim armies would purge Christian and Hindu peasant villages of their menfolk and send the women and children to harems and the thriving child sex slave markets deep in the Islamic world.
When it comes to child marriage, contemporary clerics warn fellow Muslims against succumbing to the disapproval of the Christian West: "It behooves those who call for setting a minimum age for marriage to fear Allah and not contradict his Sharia, or try to legislate things Allah did not permit. For laws are Allah's province; and legislation is his excusive right, to be shared by none other. And among these are the rules governing marriage."
The Ayatollah Khomeini, who married a 12-year-old girl, even gave his consent to using infants for sexual pleasure (although warning against full penetration until the baby is a few years older).
Some clerics show relative mercy on underage girls by advocating a process known as "thighing" (also known as child molestation in the West). According to a recent fatwa (number 23672), an imam answers this question: "My parents married me to a young girl who hasn't yet reached puberty. How can I enjoy her sexually?" by telling the 'man' that he may "hug her, kiss her, and ejaculate between her legs."
A prominent member of Saudi Arabia's highest religious council said in 2012 that girls can be married "even if they are in the cradle," then went on to explain that intercourse may occur whenever "they are capable of being placed beneath and bearing the weight of the man."
stop the bacha bazi tradition, you know the hiring and raping of little boys...or the marrying of 9 yo girls, raping them the night of the wedding and then when the child dies from bleeding, not even holding the man accountable, the mutilation of girls genitals so that she doesnt feel pleasure, the stoning of women accused of adultery, the honor killing of daughters who had the audacity to allow themselves to be raped...etc etc you know, all those great islam traditions.
by the way it is 2013, time to join the rest of the civilized world in living within socially acceptable standards like not raping children, etc...
So my question is, why does Islam support child rape?
Why? Because to Muslims the prophet is righteous and the example he sets is irrefutable.
Im with you, I think its all thoroughly fucked up. The problem is that from birth people are not given any choice but to embrace this pig as a role model.
The prophet Mohammed would be a great catholic priest.
I don't know. Why does anyone embrace child rape?
Why? Because they say no when you ask them.
Quote from: "Jmpty"I don't know. Why does anyone embrace child rape?
Because no means yes, and yes means yes, and the age of consent is ANYTIME.
In all seriousness, I think it's similar to why adults are raped. An adult rapist gets off on having absolute power over another human being in the sexual sense. A child rapist is similar, but gets off on having power over the powerless. Now, get a bunch of those guys together to found a religion, and...
There's also the issue of having a screw loose in your brain that makes you attracted to children.
Because they can and get away with it because they are blessed by God and can do no wrong, and their followers are idiots that don't question authority because their parents were abusive too. :roll: Solitary
Quote from: "Solitary"Because they can and get away with it because they are blessed by God and can do no wrong, and their followers are idiots that don't question authority because their parents were abusive too. :roll: Solitary
^^^ this . :-|
Islam is way too vast for a generic claim like 'Islam embraces child rape' to be true. Shia Muslims believe Asha was as much as 10 years older than the Sunni do, and there are political reasons why the Sunni would prefer her to be younger and the Shia would prefer her to be older. Quran-only Muslims reject the Hadiths as authoritative, and Shia and Sunni differ on which Hadiths they accept as authentic. To my knowledge, all Imams in modern times who have indicated that marriages at such a young age are acceptable have been Sunni Salafists operating within theocratic regimes.
Of course, Mary was five years older than Asha when she was married to Joseph, so that's fine and no one ever starts a thread about Christians embracing child rape. Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed, right? According to tradition, Joseph was 90 when 12 year-old Mary was taken into his household to raise his youngest son James. They didn't marry until she was the ripe old age of 14 1/2. There is just as much reason to believe this account is factual as there is to believe the same of the Hadiths.
Quote from: "leo"The prophet Mohammed would be a great catholic priest.
Probably got moved to a new parish so often he ended up half a world away!
Quote from: "Cocoa Beware"Why? Because to Muslims the prophet is righteous and the example he sets is irrefutable.
Im with you, I think its all thoroughly fucked up. The problem is that from birth people are not given any choice but to embrace this pig as a role model.
very true, I have long said in the vast majority of the time, your religion is based on where you were born/raised.
Quote from: "Mister Agenda"Islam is way too vast for a generic claim like 'Islam embraces child rape' to be true. Shia Muslims believe Asha was as much as 10 years older than the Sunni do, and there are political reasons why the Sunni would prefer her to be younger and the Shia would prefer her to be older. Quran-only Muslims reject the Hadiths as authoritative, and Shia and Sunni differ on which Hadiths they accept as authentic. To my knowledge, all Imams in modern times who have indicated that marriages at such a young age are acceptable have been Sunni Salafists operating within theocratic regimes.
Of course, Mary was five years older than Asha when she was married to Joseph, so that's fine and no one ever starts a thread about Christians embracing child rape. Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed, right? According to tradition, Joseph was 90 when 12 year-old Mary was taken into his household to raise his youngest son James. They didn't marry until she was the ripe old age of 14 1/2. There is just as much reason to believe this account is factual as there is to believe the same of the Hadiths.
Good point, however it is a cultural problem based on religious belief that it is sanctioned and appropriate, THAT is the problem. Christians (I am an Atheist by the way) don't create laws/Fatwahs saying it is okay to marry and bed a child as long as she can bear the man's weight, nor do their religous leaders endorse child rape, "thighing" infants, nor does their culture endorse the bacha bazi type pedo behavior, nor do they stone women for adultery in modern times, nor do they honor kill their daughters for the heinous crime of "allowing" themselves to be raped, and for them even to accuse someone of rape they must have a certain number of credible witnesses to the crime for charges to even be considered. So as much I hate religion and the delusion called faith, I have to say you are talking apples and oranges. Really bad comparison. SO again, why does the Islam culture embrace and endorse child rape culturally?
Warren Jeffs is a Muslim? I didn't know.
QuotePraise be to Allah
Marriage to a young girl before she reaches puberty is permissible according to sharia.
Al Tabari on al-Talaaq 65:4
The same applies to the iddah for girls who do not menstruate because they are too young, if their husbands divorce them after consummating the marriage with them.
//http://www.islamqa.com/en/12708
Mohammad was a pedo, the Quran tells you to follow the example Mo set in 33/21.
//http://www.quran.com/33/21
Quote from: "Mister Agenda"Islam is way too vast for a generic claim like 'Islam embraces child rape' to be true. Shia Muslims believe Asha was as much as 10 years older than the Sunni do, and there are political reasons why the Sunni would prefer her to be younger and the Shia would prefer her to be older. Quran-only Muslims reject the Hadiths as authoritative, and Shia and Sunni differ on which Hadiths they accept as authentic. To my knowledge, all Imams in modern times who have indicated that marriages at such a young age are acceptable have been Sunni Salafists operating within theocratic regimes.
Of course, Mary was five years older than Asha when she was married to Joseph, so that's fine and no one ever starts a thread about Christians embracing child rape. Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed, right? According to tradition, Joseph was 90 when 12 year-old Mary was taken into his household to raise his youngest son James. They didn't marry until she was the ripe old age of 14 1/2. There is just as much reason to believe this account is factual as there is to believe the same of the Hadiths.
Christianity has a very serious problem with child rape itself no doubt, and their continuous denial and neglect when it comes to victims is nothing less then despicable.
But with Islam there is a very serious distinction where you have clergy members who do not condemn it in any way whatsoever.
Quote from: "Cocoa Beware"Quote from: "Mister Agenda"Islam is way too vast for a generic claim like 'Islam embraces child rape' to be true. Shia Muslims believe Asha was as much as 10 years older than the Sunni do, and there are political reasons why the Sunni would prefer her to be younger and the Shia would prefer her to be older. Quran-only Muslims reject the Hadiths as authoritative, and Shia and Sunni differ on which Hadiths they accept as authentic. To my knowledge, all Imams in modern times who have indicated that marriages at such a young age are acceptable have been Sunni Salafists operating within theocratic regimes.
Of course, Mary was five years older than Asha when she was married to Joseph, so that's fine and no one ever starts a thread about Christians embracing child rape. Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed, right? According to tradition, Joseph was 90 when 12 year-old Mary was taken into his household to raise his youngest son James. They didn't marry until she was the ripe old age of 14 1/2. There is just as much reason to believe this account is factual as there is to believe the same of the Hadiths.
Christianity has a very serious problem with child rape itself no doubt, and their continuous denial and neglect when it comes to victims is nothing less then despicable.
But with Islam there is a very serious distinction where you have clergy members who do not condemn it in any way whatsoever.
Great point, and the reason I bring this issue up. In the West, this is a crime as it should be. In the middle east, it is sanctioned by "god".
Allah managed to hand down quite a few "revelations" that sanctioned Muhammad's personal pursuit of sex to the doubters around him. Interestingly they have become part of the the eternal, infallible word of the Qur'an, to be memorized by generations of Muslims for whom they have no possible relevance.
Qur'an (33:37) - "But when Zaid had accomplished his want of her, We gave her to you as a wife, so that there should be no difficulty for the believers in respect of the wives of their adopted sons, when they have accomplished their want of them; and Allah's command shall be performed." No doubt millions of young Muslims, trying to outdo one another at memorizing the Qur'an, have wondered about what this verse means and why it is there. In fact, this is a "revelation" of convenience that Allah just happened to hand down at a time when Muhammad lusted after his daughter-in-law, Zaynab, - a state of affairs that disturbed local customs. The verse "commands" Muhammad to marry the woman (following her husband's gracious divorce). As for why this should be part of the eternal word of God...?
Qur'an (33:50) - "O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her-- specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; " This is another special command that Muhammad handed down to himself that allows virtually unlimited sex, divinely sanctioned by Allah. One assumes that this "revelation" was meant to assuage some sort of disgruntlement in the community over Muhammad's hedonism.
Qur'an (33:51) - "You may put off whom you please of them, and you may take to you whom you please, and whom you desire of those whom you had separated provisionally; no blame attaches to you; this is most proper, so that their eyes may be cool and they may not grieve, and that they should be pleased" This is in reference to a situation in which Muhammad's wives were grumbling about his preference for sleeping with a slave girl (Mary the Copt) instead of them. Accordingly, Muhammad may sleep with whichever wife (or slave) he wishes without having to hear the others complain... as revealed in Allah's literal and perfect words to more than a billion Muslims.
Qur'an (66:1-5) - "O Prophet! Why ban thou that which Allah hath made lawful for thee, seeking to please thy wives?..." Another remarkable verse of sexual convenience concerns an episode in which Muhammad's wives were jealous of the attention that he was giving to a Christian slave girl. But, as he pointed out to them, to neglect the sexual availability of his slaves was against Allah's will for him!
Qur'an (4:24) - "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." Allah even permitted Muhammad and his men to have sex with married slaves, such as those captured in battle.
Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) narrated that the Prophet (may the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) married her when she was six years old, and he consummated her in marriage when she was nine years old. Then she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
Khadijah died three years before the Prophet (the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) departed to Madina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consummated that marriage when she was nine years old.
Urwa narrated: The Prophet (may the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years.
Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.
Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and she was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.
This is just a sample of the early Muslim traditions reporting Muhammad's marriage to the young Aisha, but it is sufficient to show that she certainly wasn't fifteen years old at the time of the consummation, as some Muslims claim.
here is an educational link for you showing the Islamic proof that his wife was 9yo upon marriage/sex.
http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/prepubescent.htm (http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/prepubescent.htm)
Muslims are quick to point out immorality around the world, especially in the West. It seems, then, that they are suggesting a very inconsistent message. When confronted with an immoral practice in another culture, Muslims cry out in one accord, "We condemn these practices, for they are against the eternal, perfect, and unalterable Law of God!" Yet, whenever the moral character of Muhammad is being scrutinized, Muslims suddenly say, "Don't judge Muhammad! You should remember that he was from a different culture! Marrying young girls was common in Arabia, and it still is, thanks to Muhammad's precedent. Different people have different moral standards, so no one should worry about Muhammad's sexual relationship with a nine-year-old girl."
This convenient switch from moral absolutism to moral relativism is logically unacceptable. If it is wrong to judge the practices of another culture, then both Muhammad and the Qur'an were wrong for condemning immoral practices in Arabia. But if condemning immoral practices is acceptable, then Muslim apologists need a better response to criticisms of Muhammad's relationship with Aisha.
First, Consider a husband on trial for beating his wife. When he takes the stand, he explains, "Your Honor, many women are victims of spousal abuse, and they need someone to talk to. Out of the kindness of my heart, I decided to beat my wife, so that she would be able to comfort other women whose husbands beat them." Such an explanation would never be accepted (except, perhaps, in countries under Islamic rule, where the Qur'an guarantees a husband's right to beat his wife). Besides, if Muhammad had outlawed sex with children instead of becoming a willing participant, little girls wouldn't have to worry about sex, and they wouldn't need to question Aisha.
Second, it isn't necessary for a lawgiver to institute laws by performing actions that create a precedent. In other words, Muhammad didn't need to marry a young girl in order establish a law about marrying girls who had reached puberty. Muhammad, as Islam's lawgiver, could have simply issued a decree. For instance, Muhammad allowed husbands to beat their wives. Was it necessary for Muhammad to beat his wives in order to establish this as a law? Certainly not. Similarly, when an American lawmaker says that killing someone in self-defense is acceptable, no one argues that the lawmaker must go out and kill someone in self-defense if his law is to stand. Hence, the argument that Muhammad needed to marry a young girl to establish puberty as the appropriate age for marriage completely fails.
Third, the Muslim claim that Aisha was a "precocious child" strains the evidence. Aisha herself reports that, when she was taken to Muhammad's house, she was playing on a swing with her friends. She was also still playing with dolls. Based on the evidence, Aisha sounds like a normal little girl, not like a young adult. Besides, Muhammad didn't marry her because she was precocious; he married her because he was dreaming about her.
Fourth, it is unlikely that God was using Muhammad's relationship with Aisha to establish puberty as the appropriate age for marriage, since the Qur'an itself seems to allow marriage to prepubescent girls. According to Surah 65:4, a man must wait three months to divorce a wife who hasn't yet reached menses. If Islam allows a man to divorce a girl who isn't old enough to have her period, it follows that Islam also allows a man to marry a girl who hasn't yet reached menses. And if the Qur'an allows marriage to prepubescent girls, then Muhammad's marriage to Aisha would in no way rule out such a practice.
Fifth, Muslims search for reasons to justify Muhammad's relationship with Aisha because they are convinced that everything Muhammad did had a divine purpose behind it. When critics point out Muhammad's numerous murders and assassinations, Muslims claim that these violent acts were just. When critics note the extent of Muhammad's polygamy, or his participation in the slave-trade, or his countless robberies, Muslims provide answers based on the view that Muhammad was an outstanding moral example. Similarly, when Muslims are confronted with the evidence for Muhammad's sexual encounters with Aisha, they assume that there must have been a reason for it. They then invent reasons for Muhammad's behavior (i.e. the other little girls needed someone to talk to about sex), and they offer these reasons as a defense of Muhammad's morality. However, non-Muslims do not share this confidence in Muhammad's moral perfection. Indeed, when non-Muslims hear about Muhammad's violence, his greed, his polygamy, and his support of spousal abuse, we aren't as quick to say "He must have had a reason" as Muslims seem to be. Because of this, Muslim justifications for Muhammad's marriage to Aisha sound hollow when presented as a logical defense of his actions.
Finally, Muslim explanations for Muhammad's behavior fail to take into account the dangers that accompany sex at a young age. Many Muslims claim that, as soon as a young girl gets her first period, she is ready to bear children. This "old enough to bleed, old enough to breed" mentality, aside from being disgusting, is completely false. A nine-year-old girl isn't ready for sex or children, even if she reaches menses earlier than other little girls. Children that young are still growing; when they become pregnant, their bodies divert nutritional resources to the developing fetus, depriving the growing girls of much-needed vitamins and minerals. Further, complications often result from adolescent pregnancies, because the bodies of the young girls simply aren't ready to give birth.
So, you have a problem with Muslims. I get it. Religion is bad, but Islam is ESPECIALLY bad. Just a word of advice, don't go to India. You might find some other people to have a problem with.
Because the people who wrote quran said so.
Quote from: "vsenetak"Because the people who wrote quran said so.
=D> Very insightful...
Quote from: "PickelledEggs"Quote from: "vsenetak"Because the people who wrote quran said so.
=D> Very insightful...
Yeah the world is tough.
Quote from: "vsenetak"Because the people who wrote quran said so.
The Koran is good for toilet paper.
Quote from: "leo"Quote from: "vsenetak"Because the people who wrote quran said so.
The Koran is good for toilet paper.
I'm not a muslim :-|
Quote from: "Cocoa Beware"Christianity has a very serious problem with child rape itself no doubt, and their continuous denial and neglect when it comes to victims is nothing less then despicable.
But with Islam there is a very serious distinction where you have clergy members who do not condemn it in any way whatsoever.
Personally, I don't see much of a distinction between explicitly condoning it, and explicitly ignoring it and blaming the victims when when they ruin the self-image of your organization.
Three points:
1) Islam is not unique in its "embracing of child rape".
a) Hinduism's Brhad?rankyaka: Surely, a woman who has changed her clothes at the end of her menstrual period is the most auspicious of women. When she has changed her clothes at the end of her menstrual period, therefore, one should approach that splendid woman and invite her to have sex. Should she refuse to consent, he should bribe her. If she still refuses, he should beat her with a stick or with his fists and overpower her, saying: "I take away the splendor from you with my virility and splendor. It should be noted that a female was considered a "woman" as young as 11
b) Christianity/Judaism - Forces a rapist to marry his rape victim, if she is unmarried and a virgin(as punishment). The only reason that the rape is indicated as a violation, however, is because she was 'clean' before she was defiled by the act outside of marriage. Under biblical definition, rape is simply not possible if the two are married, and two can be married at extremely young age.
c) I could go on with a lot of other religions, but I'll stop for brevity's sake.
2) "Rape" is a modern term and simply does not translate to writings predating 16th century. Rape is a word with both legal and moral implications. Back then, such a term by itself, would have had no moral or legal implications. That goes for just about anyone in the middle east back then, regardless of religion. A more accurate terminology would be forced copulation, which was par goes the course for the rest of the world at that time, as well as others in the animal kingdom. It is now that civilization has advanced far enough to allow for women the voice to say 'no' and it carry legal water, in most of the civilized world, that is. Of course the world has a long way to go, including the west and ESPECIALLY the middle east.
3) Society has a history of treating women, and others beneath them, as mere objects. Religion really has a way of setting those objectifications in stone, so to speak. Regions where religion is still overtly dominant and oppressive suffer the greatest from that mindset and will not be able to break free from those shackles until the religion(s) in their society become irrelevant enough for common sense humanism to take its place.
I was actually about to talk about how all old religions and cultures embraced some degree of pedophilia, but Paradox beat me to it. Islam "embraces child rape" because the tribal Arab culture from which the first Muslims descended was rife with such activity. That, however, extends to all old religions and cultures. Religion and culture are like two disfigured, conjoined twins.
Quote from: "Savior2006"Quote from: "Cocoa Beware"Christianity has a very serious problem with child rape itself no doubt, and their continuous denial and neglect when it comes to victims is nothing less then despicable.
But with Islam there is a very serious distinction where you have clergy members who do not condemn it in any way whatsoever.
Personally, I don't see much of a distinction between explicitly condoning it, and explicitly ignoring it and blaming the victims when when they ruin the self-image of your organization.
The difference I see is quite stark; Mohammed's relationship with Aisha means you have this perverted behavior imbedded into the texts themselves.
Quote from: "Cocoa Beware"Quote from: "Savior2006"Quote from: "Cocoa Beware"Christianity has a very serious problem with child rape itself no doubt, and their continuous denial and neglect when it comes to victims is nothing less then despicable.
But with Islam there is a very serious distinction where you have clergy members who do not condemn it in any way whatsoever.
Personally, I don't see much of a distinction between explicitly condoning it, and explicitly ignoring it and blaming the victims when when they ruin the self-image of your organization.
The difference I see is quite stark; Mohammed's relationship with Aisha means you have this perverted behavior imbedded into the texts themselves.
which is exactly my point.