Eve one of our newest members has caused me to think of the Russians and their belief of what "democracy" really is. Their experience with democracy is a very small experience and is filled with corporate corruption. The Oligarchs dominate Russian capitalism and have cheapened the Russian socalled democracy to the point that it is unrecognizable. An interesting and informative documentary looks at the Russian Oligarchs and their relationship with the Puttin dictatorship (administration).
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/russian-godfathers/ (http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/russian-godfathers/)
Not that I for one moment believe that Eve is actually a Ukranian or a Russian or has actually been to either place, but she claims to be and actually filters in contrived broken english to further her fraud. I do however wonder what REAL Russians know or even expect from American democracy. They don't seem to understand that the hallmark of our democracy is individual rights. It seems that the conservative evangelical tea party propaganda machine has been hard at work to corrupt the reason and purpose of the U.S. Constitution convincing Eve atleast that "majority rule."
Unless you actually understand what individual rights are you can't comprehend why the majority rule is not the law. And if you are religious you can't understand that "god's law" is not the law of the land and in no way superceeds tha Constitution.
Since our newest troll, Eve, has chosen to be everybodies friend then proceed to call us all communist/proggressives (as if they are even remotely the same thing), I thought that I would actually put forward this documentary so we could understand why she is so fucking screwed up.
Thanks mykcob. My message to Eve is to kind of piss off.. I've read enough of her/his/its bullshit I choose to no longer partake in that form of being 'friend'.
QuoteThe Oligarchs dominate Russian capitalism
Seriously, how is this any different than the Oligarchs that dominate our capitalism? Solitary
Here they don't usually throw their competition in prison in Siberia on trumped up charges here?
Good answer! Eve would approve. :shock: :lol: Solitary
Quote from: "Solitary"Good answer! Eve would approve. :shock: :lol: Solitary
Because I redundantly used 'here' twice? :-k
Quote from: "Solitary"QuoteThe Oligarchs dominate Russian capitalism
Seriously, how is this any different than the Oligarchs that dominate our capitalism? Solitary
I don't see any difference whatsoever.
Again, here we usually don't send the competition off to a Siberian prison on trumped up charges. That alone is a big difference....here.
Quote from: "mykcob4"I do however wonder what REAL Russians know or even expect from American democracy.
Anything but Obamacare.
Real Russians and Ukrainians expect freedom of speech. They expect that they will be treated with RESPECT when someone is disagree with them.
This is not the case. Freedom of speech in the USA has negative consiquense: be ready to be stoned and hear all kind of offences and anger. Beware: jerks are everywhere.
Quote from: "mykcob4"They don't seem to understand that the hallmark of our democracy is individual rights.
We do understand this
Quote from: "mykcob4"It seems that the conservative evangelical tea party propaganda machine has been hard at work to corrupt the reason and purpose of the U.S. Constitution convincing Eve atleast that "majority rule."
When Obama became a President it was because of "majority rule". Otherwise we would have Romney.
Quote from: "mykcob4"Unless you actually understand what individual rights are you can't comprehend why the majority rule is not the law.
Obama was elected by majority.
Quote from: "mykcob4"And if you are religious you can't understand that "god's law" is not the law of the land and in no way superceeds tha Constitution.
I do understand this. I don't dispute that law of God is law of land. LDS do not preach this. Jesus said:" give to Cesar what is his" we mean law of the land is not God's law. And God's law is not law of the land. Law of God was law of the land only in ancient house of Israel.
Quote from: "mykcob4"Since our newest troll, Eve, has chosen to be everybodies friend
I BELIEVE that it is NOT offensive to call a stranger "Friend". I BELIEVE it is offensive to call a stranger "F...g B...tch" or "Idiot". This is OFFENSIVE. I feel sad that some people don't realize this simple truth.
Quote from: "mykcob4"then proceed to call us all communist/proggressives (as if they are even remotely the same thing), I thought that I would actually put forward this documentary so we could understand why she is so fucking screwed up.
Progressive views are very popular here. Solitrary showed to me how he admires communist ideas. Progressivism and communism are slightly remote. One of the common things: steal/take away from someone and give to another. This is FAIR in their universe. PERIOD. :twisted:
Quote from: "Eve"Quote from: "mykcob4"I do however wonder what REAL Russians know or even expect from American democracy.
Anything but Obamacare.
Real Russians and Ukrainians expect freedom of speech. They expect that they will be treated with RESPECT when someone is disagree with them.
This is not the case. Freedom of speech in the USA has negative consiquense: be ready to be stoned and hear all kind of offences and anger. Beware: jerks are everywhere.
At least we don't beat up our homosexuals en masse. Fuck Russia.
Quote from: "Eve"Quote from: "mykcob4"I do however wonder what REAL Russians know or even expect from American democracy.
Anything but Obamacare.
Real Russians and Ukrainians expect freedom of speech. They expect that they will be treated with RESPECT when someone is disagree with them.
This is not the case. Freedom of speech in the USA has negative consiquense: be ready to be stoned and hear all kind of offences and anger. Beware: jerks are everywhere.
Quote from: "mykcob4"They don't seem to understand that the hallmark of our democracy is individual rights.
We do understand this
Quote from: "mykcob4"It seems that the conservative evangelical tea party propaganda machine has been hard at work to corrupt the reason and purpose of the U.S. Constitution convincing Eve atleast that "majority rule."
When Obama became a President it was because of "majority rule". Otherwise we would have Romney.
Quote from: "mykcob4"Unless you actually understand what individual rights are you can't comprehend why the majority rule is not the law.
Obama was elected by majority.
Quote from: "mykcob4"And if you are religious you can't understand that "god's law" is not the law of the land and in no way superceeds tha Constitution.
I do understand this. I don't dispute that law of God is law of land. LDS do not preach this. Jesus said:" give to Cesar what is his" we mean law of the land is not God's law. And God's law is not law of the land. Law of God was law of the land only in ancient house of Israel.
Quote from: "mykcob4"Since our newest troll, Eve, has chosen to be everybodies friend
I BELIEVE that it is NOT offensive to call a stranger "Friend". I BELIEVE it is offensive to call a stranger "F...g B...tch" or "Idiot". This is OFFENSIVE. I feel sad that some people don't realize this simple truth.
Quote from: "mykcob4"then proceed to call us all communist/proggressives (as if they are even remotely the same thing), I thought that I would actually put forward this documentary so we could understand why she is so fucking screwed up.
Progressive views are very popular here. Solitrary showed to me how he admires communist ideas. Progressivism and communism are slightly remote. One of the common things: steal/take away from someone and give to another. This is FAIR in their universe. PERIOD. :twisted:
You are so fucked up it isn't even funny.
1) Obama was elected by the electorial college not the populace. There have been a couple of times that the elected did not get the popular vote or the majority. George W. Bush...TWICE!
2) Freedom of speech only extends in the fact that the government cannot sensor speech.
You don't know very much about Russia because on a daily basis Russians are being arrested for speaking out against Putin.
3) Name one time that anyone in the USA was ever stoned for speaking officially that is. Some people have been stoned when they spoke but that is a drug thing. I think that you are stoned on the Kool Ade that you've been drinking since you post hear, but I don't think anyone has cast a rock in your direction.
4) Your use of "Friend" is condescending and superficial. It isn't in the least bit sincere. It is offensive. You call somone a friend then berate them calling them "communist" and other inaccurate offensive things...LABELS!
It's clear that you are not educated, and I don't mean the fake broken english either. You don't know how government works, how science works, what proof is, and any number of really simple concepts that an educated person would understand.
5) It's not Obamacare. It's the Affordable Care Act. It is a LAW. It has been tested in court and deemed CONSTITUTIONAL! So suck on it tea bagger, suck real hard.
Quote from: "Smartmarzipan"Quote from: "Eve"Quote from: "mykcob4"I do however wonder what REAL Russians know or even expect from American democracy.
Anything but Obamacare.
Real Russians and Ukrainians expect freedom of speech. They expect that they will be treated with RESPECT when someone is disagree with them.
This is not the case. Freedom of speech in the USA has negative consiquense: be ready to be stoned and hear all kind of offences and anger. Beware: jerks are everywhere.
At least we don't beat up our homosexuals en masse. Fuck Russia.
I agree with You. I hate violence. Actually you do beat them up. I heard news about hate crimes in the USA. A LOT of HATE crimes.
And I don't care about Russia. I was born in Ukraine. And I am USA Citizen now.
Quote from: "Eve"And I don't care about Russia. I was born in Ukraine. And I am USA Citizen now.
Don't hand me that crap. It isn't against the law to beat up Gays in Russia, in fact it's against the law to be gay in Russia. And quit trying to say that you are from the Ukraine. No one least of all me believes you.
Quote from: "Eve"Quote from: "Smartmarzipan"Quote from: "Eve"Anything but Obamacare.
Real Russians and Ukrainians expect freedom of speech. They expect that they will be treated with RESPECT when someone is disagree with them.
This is not the case. Freedom of speech in the USA has negative consiquense: be ready to be stoned and hear all kind of offences and anger. Beware: jerks are everywhere.
At least we don't beat up our homosexuals en masse. Fuck Russia.
I agree with You. I hate violence. Actually you do beat them up. I heard news about hate crimes in the USA. A LOT of HATE crimes.
And I don't care about Russia. I was born in Ukraine. And I am USA Citizen now.
Well, when US citizens beat up homosexuals, we put them in jail for hate crimes. In Russia...
not so much. In Russia, they can't even talk about homosexuality without fear, whereas here in the US, Hawaii just became the 16th state to legalize gay marriage and our president advocates gay rights.
And why is there such a difference? Free speech. Without it, gays would never have been able to speak out and share their story and get the support they needed to become equals. Homosexuals are still feared in Russia and they can't even come out and talk about it without serious repercussions...and that's why free speech is needed. To enfranchise the minorities and the downtrodden.
And if you're a US citizen, you better get fucking used to people saying what they think and understand why we do so.
Quote from: "mykcob4"You are so fucked up it isn't even funny.
1) Obama was elected by the electorial college not the populace. There have been a couple of times that the elected did not get the popular vote or the majority. George W. Bush...TWICE!
I know that.
1.electing body: a select body of people who elect somebody to an office on behalf of a larger group
Larger group is MAJORITY.
Quote from: "mykcob4"2) Freedom of speech only extends in the fact that the government cannot sensor speech.
You don't know very much about Russia.
:-D
Quote from: "mykcob4"because on a daily basis Russians are being arrested for speaking out against Putin.
I lived in Kiev. "On daily basis" is BS.
Quote from: "mykcob4"3) Name one time that anyone in the USA was ever stoned for speaking officially that is.
It was figure of speech. You "stone" me when you offend me for what I say.
Quote from: "mykcob4"Some people have been stoned when they spoke but that is a drug thing. I think that you are stoned on the Kool Ade that you've been drinking since you post hear, but I don't think anyone has cast a rock in your direction.
Kool Ade is for the people of King Obama.
Quote from: "mykcob4"4) Your use of "Friend" is condescending and superficial. It isn't in the least bit sincere. It is offensive. You call somone a friend then berate them calling them "communist" and other inaccurate offensive things...LABELS!
If I call you communist it doesn't mean I don't like you. I don't hate communists. I just don't like what they do. God said: hate sin not the sinner. In other words: hate communism not the communist. I have friends who are communists. We disagree but we like each other and call each other "friends".
Quote from: "mykcob4"It's clear that you are not educated, and I don't mean the fake broken english either. You don't know how government works, how science works, what proof is, and any number of really simple concepts that an educated person would understand.
Are you going to judge me for that? By the way why do you hate women?
Quote from: "mykcob4"5) It's not Obamacare. It's the Affordable Care Act.
Obama said he likes this nick name for ACA. Oh you said it wrong. It is Unaffordable Care ACT :-D
Quote from: "mykcob4"It is a LAW.
Did I say it is not? Yes, it is a LAW OF THE LAND. But there is a problem: it is very BAD law. It has too many glitches :-D
Quote from: "mykcob4"It has been tested in court and deemed CONSTITUTIONAL! So suck on it tea bagger, suck real hard.
I know that. When you have MAJORITY of Democrats in the House and Senate and President is socialist and no one Republican voted for it you have BAD LAW.
If law is constitutional it doesn't mean it is good.
Why do democrats want CHANGES now to this law and go crazy? Ah? Tell me.
When you have to pass law first and then read it to find out what is in it you have what you have - GLITCHES!!! PERIOD! :evil:
Quote from: "mykcob4"Don't hand me that crap. It isn't against the law to beat up Gays in Russia, in fact it's against the law to be gay in Russia.
Please tell where is written this law that says it is illegal to be gay in Russia?
Read for me the law that says it is ok to beat gays in Russia.
By the way those would be horrible laws. Every kind person would agree with me.
Quote from: "mykcob4"And quit trying to say that you are from the Ukraine. No one least of all me believes you.
OK, OK. I am from Moon. Feel better? :-D And any way what difference does it make at this point? :-D
Quote from: "Smartmarzipan"Well, when US citizens beat up homosexuals, we put them in jail for hate crimes.
I know. But my point that hate crimes against gays are not only in Russia.
Quote from: "Smartmarzipan"In Russia...not so much. In Russia, they can't even talk about homosexuality without fear,
I feel bad for them. This is wrong.
Quote from: "Smartmarzipan"whereas here in the US, Hawaii just became the 16th state to legalize gay marriage and our president advocates gay rights.
I know.
Quote from: "Smartmarzipan"And why is there such a difference? Free speech. Without it, gays would never have been able to speak out and share their story and get the support they needed to become equals. Homosexuals are still feared in Russia and they can't even come out and talk about it without serious repercussions...and that's why free speech is needed. To enfranchise the minorities and the downtrodden.
I am against hate crimes. Everybody should feel LOVED, RESPECTED or at least UNDERSTOOD.
Quote from: "Smartmarzipan"And if you're a US citizen, you better get fucking used to people saying what they think and understand why we do so.
I like when people say what they think, That is why I never call them "F..ing idiots" when I disagree with them.
They don't irritate me that is why I don't tell them "get F..ING used to..." I am NICE to them and POLITE.
Naturally born Americans take freedom of speech for granted. They don't appreciate it. That is why some people on this forum get angry at me and don't respect me for what I say. I apreciate freedom of speech. I respect them back. :)
Eve you don't know what freedom of speech is.
You aren't respectful, you're condescending and insincere.
It's not polite to promise facts and then not produce them.
It's rude to offer opinion with nothing to back those opinions up. Example a kid of 8 years old "I don't want to and thats that." or "Because!"
Everyone can have an opinion, but that doesn't mean that those opinions are right or correct or even worthwhile.
Your opinions are worthless, incorrect, disrespectful, and down right insulting! Heres why:
In regard to gays, you keep arguing against them and validating that argument with an authority figure. Now we all know that your authority has no merrit and we don't even believe it exist, but you have usurped the indidual rights of all gays and did so usurping the individual rights of all people.
1) You say that it isn't right to be gay. Gays can't help being gay. You violated the rights of all gays.
2) You give god's law as your reason for it not right for being gay. You violated the rights of all people by asserting that YOUR belief in YOUR god has power over everyone and everything. That YOUR belief is more important than anyone else's!
Quote from: "Eve"Quote from: "Smartmarzipan"Well, when US citizens beat up homosexuals, we put them in jail for hate crimes.
I know. But my point that hate crimes against gays are not only in Russia.
Quote from: "Smartmarzipan"In Russia...not so much. In Russia, they can't even talk about homosexuality without fear,
I feel bad for them. This is wrong.
Quote from: "Smartmarzipan"whereas here in the US, Hawaii just became the 16th state to legalize gay marriage and our president advocates gay rights.
I know.
Quote from: "Smartmarzipan"And why is there such a difference? Free speech. Without it, gays would never have been able to speak out and share their story and get the support they needed to become equals. Homosexuals are still feared in Russia and they can't even come out and talk about it without serious repercussions...and that's why free speech is needed. To enfranchise the minorities and the downtrodden.
I am against hate crimes. Everybody should feel LOVED, RESPECTED or at least UNDERSTOOD.
Quote from: "Smartmarzipan"And if you're a US citizen, you better get fucking used to people saying what they think and understand why we do so.
I like when people say what they think, That is why I never call them "F..ing idiots" when I disagree with them.
They don't irritate me that is why I don't tell them "get F..ING used to..." I am NICE to them and POLITE.
Naturally born Americans take freedom of speech for granted. They don't appreciate it. That is why some people on this forum get angry at me and don't respect me for what I say. I apreciate freedom of speech. I respect them back. :)
Freedom of speech means I can call out a moron when I see one. I don't have to be nice and polite if I don't want to be. You're not talking about freedom of speech, you're talking about manners and propriety. There is a huge difference.
You think freedom of speech means that everyone calls each other names and it causes chaos and that people shouldn't be allowed to express anger and indignation. Um...no. That is such a shallow view of such a profound freedom.
And respect is EARNED. I'm all for being polite when first meeting people, but when they say something stupid, I will exercise my freedom of speech and call them stupid. Don't act like you respect free speech and other people don't just because you don't say curse words. That's so infantile.
Quote from: "Smartmarzipan"Quote from: "Eve"Quote from: "Smartmarzipan"Well, when US citizens beat up homosexuals, we put them in jail for hate crimes.
I know. But my point that hate crimes against gays are not only in Russia.
Quote from: "Smartmarzipan"In Russia...not so much. In Russia, they can't even talk about homosexuality without fear,
I feel bad for them. This is wrong.
Quote from: "Smartmarzipan"whereas here in the US, Hawaii just became the 16th state to legalize gay marriage and our president advocates gay rights.
I know.
Quote from: "Smartmarzipan"And why is there such a difference? Free speech. Without it, gays would never have been able to speak out and share their story and get the support they needed to become equals. Homosexuals are still feared in Russia and they can't even come out and talk about it without serious repercussions...and that's why free speech is needed. To enfranchise the minorities and the downtrodden.
I am against hate crimes. Everybody should feel LOVED, RESPECTED or at least UNDERSTOOD.
Quote from: "Smartmarzipan"And if you're a US citizen, you better get fucking used to people saying what they think and understand why we do so.
I like when people say what they think, That is why I never call them "F..ing idiots" when I disagree with them.
They don't irritate me that is why I don't tell them "get F..ING used to..." I am NICE to them and POLITE.
Naturally born Americans take freedom of speech for granted. They don't appreciate it. That is why some people on this forum get angry at me and don't respect me for what I say. I apreciate freedom of speech. I respect them back. :)
Freedom of speech means I can call out a moron when I see one. I don't have to be nice and polite if I don't want to be. You're not talking about freedom of speech, you're talking about manners and propriety. There is a huge difference.
You think freedom of speech means that everyone calls each other names and it causes chaos and that people shouldn't be allowed to express anger and indignation. Um...no. That is such a shallow view of such a profound freedom.
And respect is EARNED. I'm all for being polite when first meeting people, but when they say something stupid, I will exercise my freedom of speech and call them stupid. Don't act like you respect free speech and other people don't just because you don't say curse words. That's so infantile.
No shit you nailed it perfectly!
Quote from: "Eve"I am against hate crimes. Everybody should feel LOVED, RESPECTED or at least UNDERSTOOD.
Wouldn't that require you to acknowledge that homosexuals are people too and deserve the same rights and responsibilities as heterosexual people?
Quote from: "Jason78"Quote from: "Eve"I am against hate crimes. Everybody should feel LOVED, RESPECTED or at least UNDERSTOOD.
Wouldn't that require you to acknowledge that homosexuals are people too and deserve the same rights and responsibilities as heterosexual people?
I always acknowledged that gays are people and they deserve happiness. I love all people. We are all children of God.
Quote from: "Smartmarzipan"Freedom of speech means I can call out a moron when I see one. I don't have to be nice and polite if I don't want to be.
I know this. But this is not what I am trying to say. I believe that those who hate freedom of speech for those who disagree with them will show it through bad manners. They express their hate for freedom of speech for those who disagree with them by showing bad manner or anger.
Quote from: "Smartmarzipan"You think freedom of speech means that everyone calls each other names and it causes chaos and that people shouldn't be allowed to express anger and indignation. Um...no. That is such a shallow view of such a profound freedom.
Do I think this? No. Did I say this? No.
Quote from: "Smartmarzipan"And respect is EARNED.
I agree 100%.
Quote from: "Smartmarzipan"I'm all for being polite when first meeting people, but when they say something stupid, I will exercise my freedom of speech and call them stupid.
If you are kind person you will not do that. When they say something stupid you will not call them stupid. You tell them that what they say is stupid. But if you are not kind person you will attack person instead of attacking what they say or do.
Quote from: "Smartmarzipan"Don't act like you respect free speech and other people don't just because you don't say curse words. That's so infantile.
I don't.
Quote from: "Eve"Quote from: "Jason78"Quote from: "Eve"I am against hate crimes. Everybody should feel LOVED, RESPECTED or at least UNDERSTOOD.
Wouldn't that require you to acknowledge that homosexuals are people too and deserve the same rights and responsibilities as heterosexual people?
I always acknowledged that gays are people and they deserve happiness. I love all people. We are all children of God.
So why are you against gay marriage, if that is what it takes to make them happy and it does not hurt anyone? It sounds more like you enjoy claiming that you want people to be happy, but really only want them do what you want.
Quote from: "mykcob4"Eve you don't know what freedom of speech is.
OK :-D
Quote from: "mykcob4"You aren't respectful, you're condescending and insincere.
Why do you hate people?
Quote from: "mykcob4"It's not polite to promise facts and then not produce them.
In which post I promised to you something? I NEVER promise you anything, NEVER. What you said is a LIE.
Quote from: "mykcob4"It's rude to offer opinion with nothing to back those opinions up. Example a kid of 8 years old "I don't want to and thats that." or "Because!"
I agree. It is rude to say that I promised you facts without backing it up. When and where I promised to you something?
Quote from: "mykcob4"Everyone can have an opinion, but that doesn't mean that those opinions are right or correct or even worthwhile.
I agree.
Quote from: "mykcob4"Your opinions are worthless, incorrect, disrespectful, and down right insulting!
I respect your opinion, mister who knows it all. :-D
Quote from: "mykcob4"Heres why:
In regard to gays, you keep arguing against them and validating that argument with an authority figure. Now we all know that your authority has no merrit and we don't even believe it exist, but you have usurped the indidual rights of all gays and did so usurping the individual rights of all people.
1) You say that it isn't right to be gay. Gays can't help being gay. You violated the rights of all gays.
BACK IT UP!!!! Back your opinion and show it is correct. When and where I SAID:"it isn't right to be gay". Otherwise your opinion is worthless, incorrect and you are rude.
Quote from: "mykcob4"2) You give god's law as your reason for it not right for being gay.
BACK IKT UP!!!! :-D
Quote from: "mykcob4"You violated the rights of all people by asserting that YOUR belief in YOUR god has power over everyone and everything. That YOUR belief is more important than anyone else's!
BACK IT UP!!! Quote my words. Show me my post where I express this. Otherwise you are LYING. :evil:
Ok Eve. You're not stupid, just the things you're saying :)
Eve you wanted me to prove that you aren't who you say you are....well this is a guess but an educated one.
You say that you are Ukranian and spent years in Russia and that now you are a U.S. citizen. Lets take geographics and timelines.
The fact is that Russians and Ukranians have limited knowledge of political science and actually government...which you actually display, BUT people of the former Soviet BLOC know the difference of freedom of speech and polite speech. There is a clue about who you are. Americans conservaturds think that "freedom of speech" is letting them say what they want to proslytize, but not letting anyone else have the right to put forward their opinion. That is exactly what you do and it indicates to me that you are a southern grown tea bagger.
Next the Tea Party movement started around 2006 or so. It was a Koch brothers finaced political smear campaign carried out by the Freedom Works political action group and in no way shape or form was a grassroots movement. Around 2008 the extreme faction of the Republican Party joined full force in the "tea party" movement. It isn't actually a party. An immigrant wouldn't have any idea what or who the tea party is, only evangelical churches would know which is where the tea baggers get their marching orders to be flat out stupid.
Your post read right out of central casting from one of those evangelical churches. That indicates to me that you area southern evagelical instead of a European.
Thirdly the tactic of posing as a defected Russian or former communist that has supposedly seen the light and come to America to be a god fearing evangelical conservative (as if that is in any way shape or form patriotic) is a typical tactic of southern tea party evangelicals as of late. In fact it is the recent most popular method. Why you do it I have no clue. It doesn't serve any purpose what so ever. It doesn't lend you any credibility nor does it bolster your fucked up arguments.
And 4th, all your explainations, definitions, arguements, observations, post read right out of the tea party evangelical play book which completely contradicts a European education or any education for that matter. That tells me that you were probably homeschooled (a method of isolated brainwashing) which specifically only occurs in the USA by southern evangelicals.
So if I apply all those facts I conclude that you are not who you pretend to be and are actually lying.
I have experience at this. On this forum alone I have uncovered two posers to date, you are the third and I know in my heart that I am right. The other two finally came clean. First they started by trying to say that I am not who I am, but that was futile because I am exactly who I say I am. That didn't work so they tried to change who they said they were. In the end they had to come clean because they just couldn't keep straight all the lies they told. It is the same with you and eventually you will have to either come clean or leave in embarrassment!
Quote from: "Eve"Quote from: "Smartmarzipan"Freedom of speech means I can call out a moron when I see one. I don't have to be nice and polite if I don't want to be.
I know this. But this is not what I am trying to say. I believe that those who hate freedom of speech for those who disagree with them will show it through bad manners. They express their hate for freedom of speech for those who disagree with them by showing bad manner or anger.
Hate speech and impolite speech are two seperate things.
"You are a moron" that is impolite speech.
"Kill all gays" that is hate speech.
Quote from: "Smartmarzipan"You think freedom of speech means that everyone calls each other names and it causes chaos and that people shouldn't be allowed to express anger and indignation. Um...no. That is such a shallow view of such a profound freedom.
Do I think this? No. Did I say this? No.
You're post show this whether you admit to it or not.
Quote from: "Smartmarzipan"And respect is EARNED.
I agree 100%.
No you don't you don't respect gays individual rights.
Quote from: "Smartmarzipan"I'm all for being polite when first meeting people, but when they say something stupid, I will exercise my freedom of speech and call them stupid.
If you are kind person you will not do that. When they say something stupid you will not call them stupid. You tell them that what they say is stupid. But if you are not kind person you will attack person instead of attacking what they say or do.
You have a fucked up idea of what a truly kind person is. You have kindness and rudeness mixed up.
Quote from: "Smartmarzipan"Don't act like you respect free speech and other people don't just because you don't say curse words. That's so infantile.
I don't.
Sure you do. You equate communism and pressivism as the same thing, they are not and it is intellectually dishonest to say so.
Quote from: "Plu"So why are you against gay marriage, if that is what it takes to make them happy and it does not hurt anyone?
I am also against this: if it makes happy a man to marry his daughter I will not support this.
Quote from: "Plu"It sounds more like you enjoy claiming that you want people to be happy, but really only want them do what you want.
Not at all. If a man wants to marry his own daughter he should fight for this right and if he wins he will have it. If gays want to marry they should fight for their right to have gay marriage and when they win they will have it and they will be happy. But I have MY RIGHT not to support it.
Gays can not force me to support gay marriage. I can not force gays not to have their gay marriage.
I don't have to give my support if I CHOOSE. What I can not do is this: I can not take away from gays by force what they won. This life is constant fight. But it should be always civil. And loser should accept victory of the other side.
Quote from: "Jason78"Ok Eve. You're not stupid, just the things you're saying :)
I am glad that You are progressing. :-D =D>
Quote from: "mykcob4"Eve you wanted me to prove that you aren't who you say you are....well this is a guess but an educated one. You say that you are Ukranian and spent years in Russia
I NEVER said that I spent years In Russia. Prove I ever said that this to anybody on THIS forum.
Quote from: "mykcob4"The fact is that Russians and Ukranians have limited knowledge of political science and actually government...which you actually display, BUT people of the former Soviet BLOC know the difference of freedom of speech and polite speech.
I know this to. I gave my opinion that usually people not polite is because they don't like to hear what others say or do. They don't like their freedom to do so. Not being polite is form of abuse and form of force.
Quote from: "mykcob4"There is a clue about who you are. Americans conservaturds think that "freedom of speech" is letting them say what they want to proslytize, but not letting anyone else have the right to put forward their opinion. That is exactly what you do and it indicates to me that you are a southern grown tea bagger.
I let you plenty to put your opinion forward. Say what ever you want as long as you don't force me to do what you want. I live in Kuna Idaho . It is North not South.
Quote from: "mykcob4"Next the Tea Party movement started around 2006 or so. It was a Koch brothers finaced political smear campaign carried out by the Freedom Works political action group and in no way shape or form was a grassroots movement. Around 2008 the extreme faction of the Republican Party joined full force in the "tea party" movement.
Smaller government and REASONABLE taxes is not extreme. ObamaNOTcare is EXTREME. It FORCES me to buy what I don't need.
't want to do.
Quote from: "mykcob4"It isn't actually a party.
It is not. It is WE ARE THE PEOPLE of the USA.
Quote from: "mykcob4"An immigrant wouldn't have any idea what or who the tea party is,
UNLESS he or she learns English lives here for 20 years and watches news.
Quote from: "mykcob4"only evangelical churches would know which is where the tea baggers get their marching orders to be flat out stupid.
You are wrong. If you watch Sean Hannity then you will knoiw about Mark Levin and then you will listen to Mark Lavin and you will LEARN something importnat.
Quote from: "mykcob4"Your post read right out of central casting from one of those evangelical churches. That indicates to me that you area southern evagelical instead of a European.
I live in Idaho and I am BLESSED to be LDS. I am not evangelical. You see how WRONG you are.
Quote from: "mykcob4"Thirdly the tactic of posing as a defected Russian or former communist that has supposedly seen the light and come to America to be a god fearing evangelical conservative (as if that is in any way shape or form patriotic) is a typical tactic of southern tea party evangelicals as of late. In fact it is the recent most popular method. Why you do it I have no clue.
You are clueless because you are dead wrong.
Quote from: "mykcob4"And 4th, all your explainations, definitions, arguements, observations, post read right out of the tea party evangelical play book which completely contradicts a European education or any education for that matter. That tells me that you were probably homeschooled (a method of isolated brainwashing) which specifically only occurs in the USA by southern evangelicals.
I graduated State Kiev Polytechnical University. I study for 6 years. I am an engineer. it was not allowed to homeschool. Communist don't like it. They have to BRAINWASH kids like liberals do here.
Quote from: "mykcob4"So if I apply all those facts I conclude that you are not who you pretend to be and are actually lying.
I have experience at this.
Appearently not so much, little child..
Quote from: "mykcob4"On this forum alone I have uncovered two posers to date, you are the third and I know in my heart that I am right. The other two finally came clean. First they started by trying to say that I am not who I am, but that was futile because I am exactly who I say I am. That didn't work so they tried to change who they said they were. In the end they had to come clean because they just couldn't keep straight all the lies they told. It is the same with you and eventually you will have to either come clean or leave in embarrassment!
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Read my posts in "Privet" about my religious believes. Do they sound evangelical to you?
Quote from: "Eve"Quote from: "Plu"So why are you against gay marriage, if that is what it takes to make them happy and it does not hurt anyone?
I am also against this: if it makes happy a man to marry his daughter I will not support this.
Quote from: "Plu"It sounds more like you enjoy claiming that you want people to be happy, but really only want them do what you want.
Not at all. If a man wants to marry his own daughter he should fight for this right and if he wins he will have it. If gays want to marry they should fight for their right to have gay marriage and when they win they will have it and they will be happy. But I have MY RIGHT not to support it.
Gays can not force me to support gay marriage. I can not force gays not to have their gay marriage.
I don't have to give my support if I CHOOSE. What I can not do is this: I can not take away from gays by force what they won. This life is constant fight. But it should be always civil. And loser should accept victory of the other side.
Incest and homsexuality are not the same thing goofball. One (incest) is a crime (even though the bible endorses incest), and homosexuality is an involentary product of nature.
No one wants you to support marraige between gay people, but we do want you to quit trying to force your religious mythology on everyone.
My word Eve you are fucked up.
1) You said that you are Russian and Ukranian. That says that you calim to be Russian so quit lying...YOU DID CLAIM TO BE RUSSIAN!
2) "I know this to. I gave my opinion that usually people not polite is because they don't like to hear what others say or do. They don't like their freedom to do so. Not being polite is form of abuse and form of force."
Bullshit no one not I have ever said we don't like your freedom to express yourself. What we don't like is the lies that you tell, the fact that what you say is wrong and/or highly inaccurate. No one is "forcing" you to do anything you idiot!
3) Kuna Idaho (if there is such a place) is most certainly in the north
4) "Smaller government and REASONABLE taxes is not extreme. ObamaNOTcare is EXTREME. It FORCES me to buy what I don't need.
't want to do."
Are you kidding? The repukes have created the biggest government in history, and that isn't even the fight. The tea party is refighting the civil war and trying to institute "states rights" because they want to impose racism, slavery, ands corporate corruption. The federal government isn't the bad guy here, it's the people reliving the civil war. And you don't know a thing aboput the Affordable Care Act. No one is forcing you to buy anything. The Supreme Court proved that fact so quit spinning and lying! Asshole!
5) "It is not. It is WE ARE THE PEOPLE of the USA. "
You aren't THE people of the USA. You are a very small minority of the people of the USA and not a very intelligent percentage of the population at that. You don't speak for the whole nation, not even a very big portion of this nation.
6) "UNLESS he or she learns English lives here for 20 years and watches news."
You don't watch the "news." You watch propaganda, you watch FOX!
7) "You are wrong. If you watch Sean Hannity then you will knoiw about Mark Levin and then you will listen to Mark Lavin and you will LEARN something importnat."
Sean Hannity and Mark Levin are propagandist. They have been exposed do many times for blantant lies that it isn't even funny. FOX is a propaganda machine, nothing less than that.
8) "I live in Idaho and I am BLESSED to be LDS. I am not evangelical. You see how WRONG you are."
The LDS are extremist. The US actually had to fight a war against the LDS once because they are so extreme. You are a religious extremist and that is the same thing as an evangelical.
9) "I live in Idaho and I am BLESSED to be LDS. I am not evangelical. You see how WRONG you are."
We'll see but I know that I am not wrong.
10) "I graduated State Kiev Polytechnical University. I study for 6 years. I am an engineer. it was not allowed to homeschool. Communist don't like it. They have to BRAINWASH kids like leberals do here."
I doubt your credentials and Liberals don't brainwash people.
As for the rest there is no reason to respond to it as it is just repeating the same old shit. I'm going to get to the bottom of this one way or the other if I have to use a tech to find out who you really are or not. I'm going to exdpose you mark my word. I can already see you peeing in your pants. It's coming, you're going to be very embarrassed. Get ready for the shit to hit the fan you fucking fraud!
Quote from: "mykcob4"My word Eve you are fucked up.
1) You said that you are Russian and Ukranian. That says that you calim to be Russian so quit lying...YOU DID CLAIM TO BE RUSSIAN!
Please remind where exactly I said:"I am Russian"? I said that I speak Russian. I was born in Kiev. It is eastern part of Ukraine. Most people in this part speak Russian. But in western part of Ukraine most people speak Ukrainian. So all people in Ukraine speak both languages. I speak Russian and Ukrainian. I also speak Spanish. I lived for many years in LA California among Latinos.
If you don't show where I said that I am Russian you have to admit that you are mistaken.
Quote from: "mykcob4"Bullshit no one not I have ever said we don't like your freedom to express yourself. What WEdon't like is the lies that you tell, the fact that what you say is wrong and/or highly inaccurate. No one is "forcing" you to do anything you idiot!
Are you "we"? Since when? Or you are a spoke person for everybody here? What is the lie? Be more specific please.
Quote from: "mykcob4"3) Kuna Idaho (if there is such a place) is most certainly in the north
You see you were wrong. I never have been to southern states. I lived in New York. Then in California. Now I live in Idaho. It is very beautiful country. Kuna is close to Nampa. It is south of Boise.
Quote from: "mykcob4"Are you kidding? The repukes have created the biggest government in history, and that isn't even the fight. The tea party is refighting the civil war and trying to institute "states rights" because they want to impose racism, slavery, ands corporate corruption.
What is wrong with state rights? I don't want slavery and I am not racist. I never heard that tea party impose racism and slavery. accept I hear it from you.
Quote from: "mykcob4"The federal government isn't the bad guy here,
Nobody claims that federal government is bad guy here. But BIG CORRUPTED government is BAD. Everybody would agree with that. If you think that big corrupted government is good than there is something wrong with you.
Quote from: "mykcob4"And you don't know a thing aboput the Affordable Care Act.
Do you think you know a thing about ObamaNOTcare? You voted for it WITHOUT KNOWING what in it. I do not support unless I know what it is. When you vote and don't know what is in the law you vote like ignorant person. Or you just BELIEVE AND HOPE in your Savior King Obama? :rollin:
Quote from: "mykcob4"No one is forcing you to buy anything.
If I don't buy I will be fined. It is FORCING in my world.
Quote from: "mykcob4"The Supreme Court proved that fact so quit spinning and lying! Asshole!
I think Supreme Court didn't read the law the same as Nancy Pelosi didn't read it or you. Obama said yesterday that he promised that he will not be perfect president and that he kept this promise. At least he kept one promise :rollin: All world is laughing at us.
Quote from: "mykcob4"You aren't THE people of the USA.
You are a very small minority of the people of the USA
You hate minorities? It is RACISM. Blacks are minority. They are not THE people of the USA? Latinos? Gays? they are minorities. They are not THE people of USA?
Quote from: "mykcob4"and not a very intelligent percentage of the population at that.
Who says? Mister who knows it all? :rollin:
Quote from: "mykcob4"You don't watch the "news." You watch propaganda, you watch FOX!
FOX is news. I have to educate on this? WOW!
And what is news in yoiur world? is it liberal lapdog media who is in love with their Savior and King Obama? MSNBC is media? :rollin:
Quote from: "mykcob4"Sean Hannity and Mark Levin are propagandist. They have been exposed do many times for blantant lies that it isn't even funny. FOX is a propaganda machine, nothing less than that.
exposed by WHOM? by lapdog media who is in love with their Savior? Lapdog media only BELIEVE and HOPE.
Quote from: "mykcob4"The LDS are extremist. The US actually had to fight a war against the LDS once because they are so extreme. You are a religious extremist and that is the same thing as an evangelical.
To fight a war or revolution is EXTREMISM according to you. You are extremist and you racist. May be you are KKK also. :evil:
Quote from: "mykcob4""I live in Idaho and I am BLESSED to be LDS. I am not evangelical. You see how WRONG you are."
We'll see but I know that I am not wrong.
Show me first that I said:" I am Russian" then you will know that you are not wrong. :-D
Quote from: "mykcob4"I doubt your credentials and Liberals don't brainwash people.
I don't care about your doubts. Liberals brainwash kids and young people. They are very clever by doing this. WE THE PEOPLE have follow this example. And we started to do this.
Quote from: "mykcob4"I'm going to exdpose you mark my word. I can already see you peeing in your pants. It's coming, you're going to be very embarrassed. GET READY for the shit to hit the fan you fucking fraud!
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In the USSR all kids were part of communist organization that was called Pioneers. When to become a members we had to pledge. They asked us:"ARE YOU READY?" we answered: "ALWAYS READY" . That was so stupid. Ready for what?
Any way I am always ready as every brainwashed pioneer should be. Communists didn't break me. So one liberal progressive punk :twisted: is not a scary thing for me.
I feel compassion for you though.
QuoteFOX is news.
Joke of the day.
All the major news media in the US is pretty much a propoganda engine for something or other. Try foreign news networks like the BBC or some of the smaller ones. And even then, be careful not to fall in the propaganda trap.
Never forget that supplying news is a business and the goal is to make money, not tell people what happens in the world.
Quote from: "Eve":-D
:Hangman: :ANAL: :blahblah: ](*,)
Quote from: "Plu"QuoteFOX is news.
All the major news media in the US is pretty much a propoganda engine for something or other.
I agree with You. But it is better than MSNBC or CNN or any other liberal media here. When media is IN LOVE with Obama don't wait anything objective. They will not investigate IRS or Bengazie or ObamaNOTcare.
Saying that I don't agree with everything I hear on FOX. But they are the most trusted media so far.
Quote from: "PickelledEggs"Quote from: "Eve":-D
:Hangman: :ANAL: :blahblah: ](*,)
:-D
Quote from: "mykcob4"Are you kidding? The repukes have created the biggest government in history, and that isn't even the fight. The tea party is refighting the civil war and trying to institute "states rights"
Why do you HATE OUR Constitution?
Article I Section 8:
Congress has Power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the USA:
BUT
ALL DUTIES, IMPOSTS and EXCISES SHALL BE UNIFORM THROUGHOUT the UNITED STATES
Powers of Federal Government ARE LIMITED.
WE THE PEOPLE of IDAHO want to take back what is OURS. :-D
What a crock of shit Eve. What a total crock of shit. I have read some fucked up shit over time but your last post on this thread takes the cake.
Eve said: "Please remind where exactly I said:"I am Russian"? I said that I speak Russian."
So what you said that you are from that area. I contend that you aren't and are a fraud.
I can speak for everyone when I say that we aren't against freedom of speech but you actually don't know what that is and it has been illustrated for you more than once on this thread.
Eve said"What is wrong with state rights? I don't want slavery and I am not racist. I never heard that tea party impose racism and slavery. accept I hear it from you."
States rights is what the Civil War was fought over and the states lost. States wanted to have the right to superceed federal law in particular the law against slavery.
Section 19 Article I of the Constitution of the United States of America:
No state shall enter into any treaty, alliance, or confederation; grant letters of marque and reprisal; coin money; emit bills of credit; make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts; pass any bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law impairing the obligation of contracts, or grant any title of nobility.
No state shall, without the consent of the Congress, lay any imposts or duties on imports or exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection laws: and the net produce of all duties and imposts, laid by any state on imports or exports, shall be for the use of the treasury of the United States; and all such laws shall be subject to the revision and control of the Congress.
No state shall, without the consent of Congress, lay any duty of tonnage, keep troops, or ships of war in time of peace, enter into any agreement or compact with another state, or with a foreign power, or engage in war, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent danger as will not admit of delay.
Essentially states don't have rights and may only govern what the Federal government leaves to them.
I don't think corrupt government is good, never said it was good, but you don't know what corruption is. You go on and on about Obama but haven't provided any evidence what so ever about a crime or corruption..NADA ZIP NOTHING! Corruption comes from the conservatives and giant corrupt corporation. Like ALEC. Heres an example:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/26/opini ... .html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/26/opinion/krugman-lobbyists-guns-and-money.html?_r=0)
I didn't vote on the Affordable Care Act. I am not a Congressperson. The fact is that all you know about the Affordable Care Act is what FOX told you and thats a pack of lies.
here you can read the actual law instead of just parroting FOX:https://www.healthcare.gov/where-can-i-read-the-affordable-care-act/
Eve posted:"You hate minorities? It is RACISM. Blacks are minority. They are not THE people of the USA? Latinos? Gays? they are minorities. They are not THE people of USA?"
Thats not what I said. You said that YOU are the people of the USA and I pointed out that you aren't the people of the USA just a small part. I didn't ever say I hate minorities. You just flat out lied.
Most studies show that conservatives generally have lower IQs than Liberals and moderates, especially extreme conservatives like tea baggers.http://createperfection.hubpages.com/hu ... ervatives# (http://createperfection.hubpages.com/hub/University-Study-Shows-People-With-Lower-IQs-Are-Conservatives#)
FOX is not news. It doesn't follow ethical journalism rules or ethics:http://mediamatters.org/research/2009/10/27/30-reasons-why-fox-news-is-not-legit/156164
The mormons weren't fighting a revolution. They were committing acts of sedition and treason:http://io9.com/5981536/a-19th-century-war-against-mormons
Liberals don't brainwash people churches do. I went to catechism and parochial schools untill High school. Nothing Liberal about that.
So you see EVE I have yet again shot down every one of your lies and assertions one by one with FACTS and proof. I soon will be exposing you for the fraud you really are.
Quote from: "Eve"Quote from: "mykcob4"Are you kidding? The repukes have created the biggest government in history, and that isn't even the fight. The tea party is refighting the civil war and trying to institute "states rights"
Why do you HATE OUR Constitution?
Article I Section 8:
Congress has Power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the USA:
BUT
ALL DUTIES, IMPOSTS and EXCISES SHALL BE UNIFORM THROUGHOUT the UNITED STATES
Powers of Federal Government ARE LIMITED.
WE THE PEOPLE of IDAHO want to take back what is OURS. :-D
You fucking idiot. You can't get away with EDITING THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!
I LOVE the Constitution. I served 22+ years in the USMC defending it against people just like you. I have been awarded the Purple Heart 3 times. Don't you EVER question my love for the Constitution. You don't even know the Constitution that's why you have to edit it.
You don't speak for the people of Idaho/Alabama or where ever you are really from and you certainly don't speak for the USA!
You shouldn't even TRY to argue Constitutional Law with me or anyone else for that matter. You most likely wanted to use Amendment X which reads:
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."
But instead yoiu used Article I section 8 which only bolsters MY agruement.
Basically because of the two laws posted here the fed can do anything concerning the states and the states can only do things if the fed ignores it or okays it.
You're a real dumbass.
2.mykcob4
I am tired of you. You have no respect for me. You are acting like a very abusive person.
You are very arrogant, unkind, rude, unpleasant, miserable person. You are full of anger, hate and bitterness. You need help. Really.
I have COMPASSION for you.
Quote from: "mykcob4"I have been awarded the Purple Heart 3 times
Thanks for what you have done for this country. But I don't think you a good person.
Quote from: "mykcob4"I didn't vote on the Affordable Care Act. I am not a Congressperson.
When you vote for Obama you support/vote for this BAD law. You never knew what's in it. You supported it as an IGNORANT FOOL.
I am done with you UNLESS you TRY just TRY to respect me at least a little bit. Adios amigo. Dosvidania. Dopobachennya.
Quote from: "Eve"2.mykcob4
I am tired of you. You have no respect for me. You are acting like a very abusive person.
You are very arrogant, unkind, rude, unpleasant, miserable person. You are full of anger, hate and bitterness. You need help. Really.
I have COMPASSION for you.
Quote from: "mykcob4"I have been awarded the Purple Heart 3 times
Thanks for what you have done for this country. But I don't think you a good person.
Quote from: "mykcob4"I didn't vote on the Affordable Care Act. I am not a Congressperson.
When you vote for Obama you support/vote for this BAD law. You never knew what's in it. You supported it as an IGNORANT FOOL.
I am done with you UNLESS you TRY just TRY to respect me at least a little bit. Adios amigo. Dosvidania. Dopobachennya.
Look goofball I know I have not been nice but you deserve every bit of it. I gave you a pass on your introduction OP but your first post after that was insulting, condescending and utter bullshit. You have displayed that YOU are the ignorant fool. You proved it by not understanding the simplest fundemental things. You don't know the Constitution. You don't know the difference between hate speech, impolite speech, and freedom of speech. You don't even know your own bible. And you certainly don't know how the law works.
What you do know is how to parrot the most propagandist bullshit that FOX spews everyday.
So you may be done with me but I am not done with you until I want to be.