QuoteU.S. Sen. Ted Cruz—whose father is Rafael Cruz, a rabid right-wing Christian preacher and the director of the Purifying Fire International ministry—and legions of the senator's wealthy supporters, some of whom orchestrated the shutdown, are rooted in a radical Christian ideology known as Dominionism or Christian Reconstructionism. This ideology calls on anointed "Christian" leaders to take over the state and make the goals and laws of the nation "biblical." It seeks to reduce government to organizing little more than defense, internal security and the protection of property rights. It fuses with the Christian religion the iconography and language of American imperialism and nationalism, along with the cruelest aspects of corporate capitalism. The intellectual and moral hollowness of the ideology, its flagrant distortion and misuse of the Bible, the contradictions that abound within it—its leaders champion small government and a large military, as if the military is not part of government—and its laughable pseudoscience are impervious to reason and fact. And that is why the movement is dangerous.
http://truth-out.org/news/item/19264-th ... government (http://truth-out.org/news/item/19264-the-radical-christian-right-and-the-war-on-government)
Let them rage all they like. They have no chance of gaining real power.
Nothing new here. The Bush family was part of those fucks too..
"reduce government to organizing little more than defense, internal security and the protection of property rights" Christian? It's everything the uber-wealthy need without wasting a penny on anything they don't need. It's the wealthy using religion as a tool to control the masses. Now where have we heard that before?
Oh come now.. Religion tosses some of us crumbs. Almost the whole homeless industry is run by religious organizations. Why, I live at the Y.. They get federal dollars to do this..
It's one of the reasons I went ballistic at the VOA and their Paul Robeson impersonator/preacher. They pulled that at their 911/veterans memorial/big hug for jesus party.
Oh yeah, about the VOA.. The dead mouse was returned to me safe and unharmed. :lol:
You know the funny thing is that unless you are a fanatical fundamentalist most Christians I know are too busying working and living their lives to take their faith seriously........as a result most Christians are moderates who love living in the advanced society from the progress of science and outside of their own world's comforts could care less about dominionism.........sure they might agree to various degrees but they won't bother getting involved with it..........
There's something about this guy that just doesn't look right to me. I don't agree with a word that comes out of his mouth, but when I look at him I get the feeling that he just a little bit too slick and a little weird looking. It's the saying that people used to say of "Would you buy a used car from this guy" and, to me, the answer is a definite hell no.
He reminds me of a snake oil salesman.
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"QuoteU.S. Sen. Ted Cruz—whose father is Rafael Cruz, a rabid right-wing Christian preacher and the director of the Purifying Fire International ministry—and legions of the senator's wealthy supporters, some of whom orchestrated the shutdown, are rooted in a radical Christian ideology known as Dominionism or Christian Reconstructionism. This ideology calls on anointed "Christian" leaders to take over the state and make the goals and laws of the nation "biblical." It seeks to reduce government to organizing little more than defense, internal security and the protection of property rights. It fuses with the Christian religion the iconography and language of American imperialism and nationalism, along with the cruelest aspects of corporate capitalism. The intellectual and moral hollowness of the ideology, its flagrant distortion and misuse of the Bible, the contradictions that abound within it—its leaders champion small government and a large military, as if the military is not part of government—and its laughable pseudoscience are impervious to reason and fact. And that is why the movement is dangerous.
http://truth-out.org/news/item/19264-th ... government (http://truth-out.org/news/item/19264-the-radical-christian-right-and-the-war-on-government)
Sounds like libertarians and tea partiers to me and of course it's out and out treason.
Quote from: "mykcob4"Quote from: "josephpalazzo"QuoteU.S. Sen. Ted Cruz—whose father is Rafael Cruz, a rabid right-wing Christian preacher and the director of the Purifying Fire International ministry—and legions of the senator's wealthy supporters, some of whom orchestrated the shutdown, are rooted in a radical Christian ideology known as Dominionism or Christian Reconstructionism. This ideology calls on anointed "Christian" leaders to take over the state and make the goals and laws of the nation "biblical." It seeks to reduce government to organizing little more than defense, internal security and the protection of property rights. It fuses with the Christian religion the iconography and language of American imperialism and nationalism, along with the cruelest aspects of corporate capitalism. The intellectual and moral hollowness of the ideology, its flagrant distortion and misuse of the Bible, the contradictions that abound within it—its leaders champion small government and a large military, as if the military is not part of government—and its laughable pseudoscience are impervious to reason and fact. And that is why the movement is dangerous.
http://truth-out.org/news/item/19264-th ... government (http://truth-out.org/news/item/19264-the-radical-christian-right-and-the-war-on-government)
Sounds like libertarians and tea partiers to me and of course it's out and out treason.
Though I agree with you in spirit, however in a democracy, people need to have freedom of expression. So it is incumbent that all of us get well informed. With dissemination of the proper facts, people should be able to make better choices at the voting booth.
Here's the rub.. Almost no politician with a few exceptions will tell us which rock of 'Christianity' they crawl out from under. They just make the generalization, 'I'm a Christian' and that's it then the media reports it AS IF that alone should qualify them to lead us to [insert generic bullshit] never questioning doodly squat about their special blend of fucked up sky daddy belief..
Quote from: "_Xenu_"Let them rage all they like. They have no chance of gaining real power.
Having a senator IS real power.
Quote from: "Mister Agenda"Quote from: "_Xenu_"Let them rage all they like. They have no chance of gaining real power.
Having a senator IS real power.
So is having one in the whitehouse as in Bush..
First I heard about Ted Cruz's father being an dominionist was here:
[youtube:3rhwgu8m]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52oZuEzyxKE[/youtube:3rhwgu8m]
Gerard
Thanks! Awesome video and lady. Religion and leeghoofds like that is some scary shit! :roll: :evil: Solitary
Quote from: "Solitary"Thanks! Awesome video and lady. Religion and leeghoofds like that is some scary shit! :roll: :evil: Solitary
She has a video like this on YouTube almost every Sunday and it's a pleasure to watch!
Gerard
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"Quote from: "Mister Agenda"Quote from: "_Xenu_"Let them rage all they like. They have no chance of gaining real power.
Having a senator IS real power.
So is having one in the whitehouse as in Bush..
And yet we're nowhere close to living under anything like Dominionism.
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"QuoteU.S. Sen. Ted Cruz—whose father is Rafael Cruz, a rabid right-wing Christian preacher and the director of the Purifying Fire International ministry—and legions of the senator's wealthy supporters, some of whom orchestrated the shutdown, are rooted in a radical Christian ideology known as Dominionism or Christian Reconstructionism. This ideology calls on anointed "Christian" leaders to take over the state and make the goals and laws of the nation "biblical." It seeks to reduce government to organizing little more than defense, internal security and the protection of property rights. It fuses with the Christian religion the iconography and language of American imperialism and nationalism, along with the cruelest aspects of corporate capitalism. The intellectual and moral hollowness of the ideology, its flagrant distortion and misuse of the Bible, the contradictions that abound within it—its leaders champion small government and a large military, as if the military is not part of government—and its laughable pseudoscience are impervious to reason and fact. And that is why the movement is dangerous.
http://truth-out.org/news/item/19264-th ... government (http://truth-out.org/news/item/19264-the-radical-christian-right-and-the-war-on-government)
Yes, big government is what You need. USSR had BIG government. That was fun. I wish You knew from Your own experience.
Big Government can not even build a website. :rollin: Give me my money back, BIG Brother.
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"Nothing new here. The Bush family was part of those fucks too..
Bush the same as Obama. Only Obama is worse. Obama is communist(progressive). :twisted: :evil:
Quote from: "IMMadAsHell"There's something about this guy that just doesn't look right to me. I don't agree with a word that comes out of his mouth, but when I look at him I get the feeling that he just a little bit too slick and a little weird looking. It's the saying that people used to say of "Would you buy a used car from this guy" and, to me, the answer is a definite hell no.
He reminds me of a snake oil salesman.
But what he says and does looks right to me. NO OBAMA CARE!
When Obama(communist/progressive) said to me that "If I like my plan/ doctor I can keep my plan/ doctor, PERIOD" I didn't believe him. Why? Because it didn't make any sense.
I was right.
Quote from: "josephpalazzo "Though I agree with you in spirit, however in a democracy, people need to have freedom of expression. So it is incumbent that all of us get well informed. With dissemination of the proper facts, people should be able to make better choices at the voting booth.
Progressives(communists) like freedom of expression only if You agree with them. If You disagree You are enemy of the people. This how communist of USSR called those who disagreed with them "enemy of the people". Communists(progressives) of USA are not different.
Quote from: "Eve"Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"Nothing new here. The Bush family was part of those fucks too..
Bush the same as Obama. Only Obama is worse. Obama is communist(progressive). :twisted: :evil:
In what freaking universe is Obama a communist?!?
Quote from: "Jason78"Quote from: "Eve"Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"Nothing new here. The Bush family was part of those fucks too..
Bush the same as Obama. Only Obama is worse. Obama is communist(progressive). :twisted: :evil:
In what freaking universe is Obama a communist?!?
in universe that has OBAMACARE. :evil:
Compared to actual socialist countries, Obama is basically near the end of the spectrum Conservative, while what the US calls conservatives have fallen so far off the scale you can't even see them anymore.
Quote from: "Eve"in universe that has OBAMACARE. :evil:
And what's wrong with that? The USA needs universal healthcare.
Ha! In which universe is Putin the poster boy for democracy and 'freedom'? Interesting a Russian would call Obama a communist. :lol:
What a hoot..
It's truly amazing that a Russian would not know what communism is. :-k Solitary
com·mu·nism
[ kómmy? nìzz?m ]
1.classless political system: the political theory or system in which all property and wealth is owned in a classless society by all the members of that society. Unless you are rich, why would one object to communism?
so·cial·ism
[ s?sh? lìz?m ]
1.political system of communal ownership: a political theory or system in which the means of production and distribution are controlled by the people and operated according to equity and fairness rather than market principles. You would think the Tea Party would be all for this because it is less government.
2.movement based on socialism: a political movement based on principles of socialism, typically advocating an end to private property and to the exploitation of workers. I can see why the rich would be against this.
3.stage between capitalism and communism: in Marxist theory, the stage after the proletarian revolution when a society is changing from capitalism to communism, marked by pay distributed according to work done rather than need. I can see why people like Trump and the Koch brothers, as well as the non-productive hypocritical parasites that prey on the credulity and ignorance of their fellow unthinking man, the clergy, would be against this. :roll: Solitary
Quote from: "Plu"Compared to actual socialist countries, Obama is basically near the end of the spectrum Conservative, while what the US calls conservatives have fallen so far off the scale you can't even see them anymore.
If compare Obama with Stalin he is conservative all right. Wait, he didn't finish his job. Let me share with You something. Obama care is even worth than healthcare that we had in the USSR.
I am constitutional conservative. I don't need politicians to lead me and took care of me. Is it too extreme?
Big Government = Big Corruption. USSR is perfect example. Big Government means - it is not capable even to build website when people now DEPEND on it. DEPENDENCE means "good-by freedom, sweet freedom". The more I depend on government the less freedom I have. :evil:
As a constitutional conservative I don't support this.
Quote from: "Jason78"Quote from: "Eve"in universe that has OBAMACARE. :evil:
And what's wrong with that? The USA needs universal healthcare.
Yes, we need better healthcare. But not with this price tag - PRICE OF FREEDOM.
This is what is wrong with OBAMACARE. PERIOD. :evil:
You aren't losing any freedom as far as I can see. Unless you can substantiate those comments, all you're doing is whinging and whining about nothing.
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"Ha! In which universe is Putin the poster boy for democracy and 'freedom'?
I don't care about Putin. I am an American now. I am Citizen and very proud of it. I have this right now. Before it was a privilege for me to become USA Citizen. And I pay taxes.
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"Interesting a Russian would call Obama a communist. :lol:
What a hoot..
Why would I call him something else if he is a communist/progressive? "FAIR SHARE" is communist principle. I am not against fair share. I am against when communist FORCE others to help poor and decides what is fair share. I WANT TO DECIDE what is MY FAIR SHAIR. Ironicly they(communists/progressives) don't apply this principle to themselves. Did Obama enroll already in Obama care? I doubt. Did Big Unions(socialists :twisted: ) enroll in what they forced on me? I doubt. HYPOCRITES!!!
Quote from: "Jason78"You aren't losing any freedom as far as I can see.
I am loosing freedom to keep my doctor.
Quote from: "Jason78"Unless you can substantiate those comments, all you're doing is whinging and whining about nothing.
Wait. Let progressives/communists to finish their job here, I will look at You. I am whining because I have EXPERIENCE. I know what communists are capable to do. And You don't know yet. And I can not blame You. Personal experience is the best teacher. Progressives want to learn hard way let it be. I only feel bad for innocent victims of progressive/communist movement.
:popcorn: :popcorn:
Quote from: "Eve"Quote from: "Jason78"You aren't losing any freedom as far as I can see.
I am loosing freedom to keep my doctor.
Is your doctor somehow going to be magically whisked away as soon as everyone gets healthcare?
Quote from: "Eve"Quote from: "Jason78"Unless you can substantiate those comments, all you're doing is whinging and whining about nothing.
Wait. Let progressives/communists to finish their job here, I will look at You. I am whining because I have EXPERIENCE. I know what communists are capable to do. And You don't know yet. And I can not blame You. Personal experience is the best teacher. Progressives want to learn hard way let it be. I only feel bad for innocent victims of progressive/communist movement.
We've already established that you don't live anywhere progressive or communist.
You are just whinging and whining. And lying.
Quote from: "Jason78"Quote from: "Eve"Quote from: "Jason78"You aren't losing any freedom as far as I can see.
I am loosing freedom to keep my doctor.
Is your doctor somehow going to be magically whisked away as soon as everyone gets healthcare?
Quote from: "Eve"Quote from: "Jason78"Unless you can substantiate those comments, all you're doing is whinging and whining about nothing.
Wait. Let progressives/communists to finish their job here, I will look at You. I am whining because I have EXPERIENCE. I know what communists are capable to do. And You don't know yet. And I can not blame You. Personal experience is the best teacher. Progressives want to learn hard way let it be. I only feel bad for innocent victims of progressive/communist movement.
We've already established that you don't live anywhere progressive or communist.
You are just whinging and whining. And lying.
And she or he is trolling.
Quote from: "Solitary"It's truly amazing that a Russian would not know what communism is. :-k Solitary
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Friend, REAL world and IDEAL world are not the same
Quote from: "Solitary"1.classless political system: the political theory or system in which all property and wealth is owned in a classless society by all the members of that society. Unless you are rich, why would one object to communism?
First there is no such a thing as "classes" in real communist REAL WORLD. There is only one class IN REAL SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST WORLD. And it is poor class. When wealth is owned by all the members IN REAL WORLD( not in IDEAL world) it means it belongs to NOBODY. It is in theory I own everything but I can never have a use of it in REALITY.
When everybody own wealth this is what happens in REAL WORLD: because I can not have something "MINE" because it is not only mine, I will START TO STEAL.
We were stealing what we could so we could have FOR REALS what belongs to EVERYBODY aka NOBODY.
That is why we objected communism.
Do You know who is rich in REAL communist society? Government. Brezhnev had EVERYTHING. We had little crumbs. And the KNOWLEDGE that ALL WEALTH is "mine" DID NOT HELP me a bit.
Quote from: "Solitary"so·cial·ism
[ s?sh? lìz?m ]
1.political system of communal ownership: a political theory or system in which the means of production and distribution are controlled by the people and operated according to equity and fairness rather than market principles.
Yea, yea. Controlled by the people. BS! It was all controlled BY COMMUNISTS. REAL WORLD is not YUTOPIA.
I see You are a BELIEVER! You believe in something that doesn't exist and never existed.
Quote from: "Solitary"You would think the Tea Party would be all for this because it is less government.
.FROM OUR HORRIBLE EXPERIENCE: it is NOT possible to apply what communists preach. It DOESN'T work the way it works on piece of paper or in some idealist's poor head.
In real world Government or Communist Party(minority) owned EVERYTHING. And they ruled over us. And if you don't like it you go to jail.
Quote from: "Solitary"2.movement based on socialism: a political movement based on principles of socialism, typically advocating an end to private property and to the exploitation of workers. I can see why the rich would be against this.
Hahaha! Get real, friend. Communist Party paid us peanuts for what we did.
Quote from: "Solitary"3.stage between capitalism and communism: in Marxist theory, the stage after the proletarian revolution when a society is changing from capitalism to communism, marked by pay distributed according to work done rather than need.
If socialism is SOOO good in RERAL world then why we(soviet people) rejected it?
Quote from: "Solitary"I can see why people like Trump and the Koch brothers, as well as the non-productive hypocritical parasites that prey on the credulity and ignorance of their fellow unthinking man, the clergy, would be against this.[/color] :roll: Solitary
I am not ignorant. I have PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. And I don't say that Trump is the most fair person in the universe.
Let me share with You something. Do You know what You need to build that YUTOPIA? Let me tell You: You need IDEAL/PERFECT people to build it. News: there are no IDEAL/PERFECT people on earth to do this job. Believing in communism society is the same as believing in paradise on earth. :-D
Quote from: "Eve"Friend, REAL world and IDEAL world are not the same
Do you know this man?
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This is Immanuel Kant.
He says you: "If you say: '
That may be right in theory, but it won't work in practice', that means either you misapply your theory or your theory is wrong".
Quote from: "Eugeny Anatolievich"Quote from: "Eve"Friend, REAL world and IDEAL world are not the same
Do you know this man?
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This is Immanuel Kant.
He says you: "If you say: 'That may be right in theory, but it won't work in practice', that means either you misapply your theory or your theory is wrong".
I don't need Kant to understand this, my friend.
Where do You live? what city?
I can tell Eve has lived through this shit, and he's not the first former Soviet citizen to come to the US and have strong pro-capitalist views. Having said that, I think Europe in general is a better example of socialism than the USSR of old. Capitalism is permitted, its just controlled to limit its worst aspects.