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Video. Very good.
I think it's childish. Granted Boehner is responsible and I'm all for it that he should be exposed as such, but using a crying baby is just stupid. The ad should have focused on facts not on emotions. That's what's wrong with this fucking country.
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"I think it's childish. Granted Boehner is responsible and I'm all for it that he should be exposed as such, but using a crying baby is just stupid. The ad should have focused on facts not on emotions. That's what's wrong with this fucking country.
Uh. It's a very relevant example. And THAT, my friend, is a fact.
I've got to agree with josephpalazzo on this one.
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"I think it's childish. Granted Boehner is responsible and I'm all for it that he should be exposed as such, but using a crying baby is just stupid. The ad should have focused on facts not on emotions. That's what's wrong with this fucking country.
It's a political advertisement. Advertising is used to sway people. Emotion is a powerful motivator used in ads. It could have been more intellectual and focused on facts, but most people are more driven by emotion than facts. The ad was not made for you (or me for that matter since I rather agree with you). It addresses a much larger audience.
Will it be effective? I don't know. I'm continually confounded by people and politics. I don't think it captures Boehner's demeanor, who is more of a prick than a cry baby, so the ad was kind of jarring to me in that way. My guess (and only a guess) is that Boehner is quite pleased with himself for shutting down the government. The only thing that would make him cry is losing an election.
Quote from: "SGOS"I don't think it captures Boehner's demeanor, who is more of a prick than a cry baby...
When he took over as speaker, he became very well known for his crying. At first the GOP defended it as love of country, mom, and apple pie, but soon even they came to see his crying as sickly and cloying. The party elders had to tell him to do whatever it takes to stop it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyxioZZdiTg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyxioZZdiTg)
QuoteMy guess (and only a guess) is that Boehner is quite pleased with himself for shutting down the government.
He didn't want to do it. He's just too in love with being the speaker that he won't stand up to the fleabaggers. Any grown up legislation requires him to get support from Democrats to join with so-called moderate Republicans, but being renewed as speaker comes from exclusively the Republican caucus including the fleabaggers.
I have no sympathy for Boehner. He has openly disrespected the office of the president since Obama was elected, from declaring that he shouldn't give a joint speech to congress (something that has never been done before) to siding with the Tea Party on the debt issue. So the commercial is sophomoric. So is the whole scenario in congress right now. I'd say it goes with the territory.
SGOS wrote in part:
QuoteIt could have been more intellectual and focused on facts, but most people are more driven by emotion than facts.
Which is the biggest problem we have in politics. IMHO. While single issue voters, and the team D and team R voters, annoy me. Those swayed by emotions annoy me the most.
aileron posted a video showing how one politician uses emotion to sway the voters. Others use different means, but it always comes back to playing on peoples' emotions. It sux! :x
Crybaby ads do nothing for me and will likely do nothing in Cincinnati where the ad is airing. As much as I like my old stomping grounds it's full of morons. Hell, in Dayton they elect funeral directors to run the city..a mere 50 miles up I-75.
The ad is aimed at the people who voted for Boehner in the first place - and they're not the intellectual elite. Good ad agencies aim their work at the people it's supposed to influence. Bad ad agencies produce intellectual works of art. Once. Before they file for bankruptcy.
Quote from: "Colanth"The ad is aimed at the people who voted for Boehner in the first place - and they're not the intellectual elite. Good ad agencies aim their work at the people it's supposed to influence. Bad ad agencies produce intellectual works of art. Once. Before they file for bankruptcy.
Point is it will get noticed. Long term, anything that hurts his base and works against him being reelected is good, but based on what I know, the guy practically runs unopposed most of the time.
Quote from: "SGOS"Quote from: "josephpalazzo"I think it's childish. Granted Boehner is responsible and I'm all for it that he should be exposed as such, but using a crying baby is just stupid. The ad should have focused on facts not on emotions. That's what's wrong with this fucking country.
It's a political advertisement. Advertising is used to sway people. Emotion is a powerful motivator used in ads. It could have been more intellectual and focused on facts, but most people are more driven by emotion than facts. The ad was not made for you (or me for that matter since I rather agree with you). It addresses a much larger audience.
True, however I think the country is sick and tired of politicians acting like children, why so many people don't even bother to vote. I think a little less drama and fact-based policies would do all of us a great deal to restore our trust in the system. Right now, we meander from crisis to crisis, and that's not the way to run a family, a business, let alone a country. In case some people haven't figured this one out - we are the laughing stock of the world.
QuoteWill it be effective? I don't know. I'm continually confounded by people and politics. I don't think it captures Boehner's demeanor, who is more of a prick than a cry baby, so the ad was kind of jarring to me in that way. My guess (and only a guess) is that Boehner is quite pleased with himself for shutting down the government. The only thing that would make him cry is losing an election.
I wouldn't be surprised if it backfires. This is money badly spent.
The fact that the bill would pass if Boner (incorrect spelling on purpose) would submit indicates that they (the Rupublitards) are acting like cry babies. So, I find it very appropriate, though irritating. Also the fact that one man can hold up legislation but not bringing it up for a vote shows that there is something drastically wrong with our political system.
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"I think it's childish. Granted Boehner is responsible and I'm all for it that he should be exposed as such, but using a crying baby is just stupid. The ad should have focused on facts not on emotions. That's what's wrong with this fucking country.
Proud of you Joseph,
We've had a lot of disagreements on these forums. I'm both surprised, and glad we can agree on this. I think the "make fun of republicans constantly" gameplan has reached the point where this type of childishness is way too common.
Ohio is by no means a tea party stronghold, but the ad didn't focus on Boehner's bowing down to them and it should have. Merely depicting him as a child will do little but to antagonise his base. At best it may turn a few, but it's doubtful. It's money squandered.
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"I think the country is sick and tired of politicians acting like children, why so many people don't even bother to vote. I think a little less drama and fact-based policies would do all of us a great deal to restore our trust in the system.
Which is not what they're interested in. The more people stay away from the polls, the better it is for the Republicans, so they'll keep on keeping on. As long as they get elected, and paid, and free medical care, they don't care what happens to the country or the people living in it.
Quote from: "Colanth"Quote from: "josephpalazzo"I think the country is sick and tired of politicians acting like children, why so many people don't even bother to vote. I think a little less drama and fact-based policies would do all of us a great deal to restore our trust in the system.
Which is not what they're interested in. The more people stay away from the polls, the better it is for the Republicans, so they'll keep on keeping on. As long as they get elected, and paid, and free medical care, they don't care what happens to the country or the people living in it.
And indeed, it is part of the GOP strategy, and that is infuriating when people equate the Republican party with the Democratic party, when they are not the same. Granted the Dems have committed their share of errors, but that does not equate, not in size and in gravity, those committed by the GOP.
This is probably the most pathetic thing I've seen in a long time. If this is what politics in the US looks like and you think this is a good thing, you totally deserve the government you have right now.
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"And indeed, it is part of the GOP strategy, and that is infuriating when people equate the Republican party with the Democratic party, when they are not the same. Granted the Dems have committed their share of errors, but that does not equate, not in size and in gravity, those committed by the GOP.
It's one of my peeves when people say the Republicans and Democrats are the same. Sure they may have some common ground, but in most issues they're poles apart. And though the Dems may not be paragons of truth or virtue, their evils pale in comparison to the sheer depravity and insane vileness that pervades the Republican Party. The Republicans are nothing short of scum, and anyone who sides with them are complicit in the decline of the US.
Atheon wrote:
QuoteIt's one of my peeves when people say the Republicans and Democrats are the same. Sure they may have some common ground, but in most issues they're poles apart. And though the Dems may not be paragons of truth or virtue, their evils pale in comparison to the sheer depravity and insane vileness that pervades the Republican Party. The Republicans are nothing short of scum, and anyone who sides with them are complicit in the decline of the US.
Except for the first sentence, I have heard Republicans say the same thing about the Democrats. Frankly all of name calling and mudslinging gets old. So does the idol worship, which seems to be worse in the Democrat party than in the Republican party.
Just to be clear, I'm one of those people Atheon is describing in his first sentence. :twisted:
Quote from: "Atheon"Quote from: "josephpalazzo"And indeed, it is part of the GOP strategy, and that is infuriating when people equate the Republican party with the Democratic party, when they are not the same. Granted the Dems have committed their share of errors, but that does not equate, not in size and in gravity, those committed by the GOP.
It's one of my peeves when people say the Republicans and Democrats are the same. Sure they may have some common ground, but in most issues they're poles apart. And though the Dems may not be paragons of truth or virtue, their evils pale in comparison to the sheer depravity and insane vileness that pervades the Republican Party. The Republicans are nothing short of scum, and anyone who sides with them are complicit in the decline of the US.
There are people who can't distinguish between apples and oranges - the'll insist they are both fruits - even though a 2 year-old can tell the difference.
> The ad should have focused on facts not on emotions. That's what's wrong with this fucking country.
Facts are not very relevant to the average American voter, nor for most "news" sources, especially Fox network.
In 2008, Fox "news" was already referring to the "Obama recession," when he hadn't even taken office yet. 30% of Republicans think Obama was responsible for the federal government's slow response to Hurricane Katrina, and a majority of Republicans think that Obama is either from Kenya or another planet.
If facts were of significance in elections, we wouldn't have the clowns in office that we have now.
Frank
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"And indeed, it is part of the GOP strategy, and that is infuriating when people equate the Republican party with the Democratic party, when they are not the same. Granted the Dems have committed their share of errors, but that does not equate, not in size and in gravity, those committed by the GOP.
The Democrats don't want us to live the good life. The Republicans don't want us to live. They're both the same, with a few "minor" differences.
Quote from: "Colanth"Quote from: "josephpalazzo"And indeed, it is part of the GOP strategy, and that is infuriating when people equate the Republican party with the Democratic party, when they are not the same. Granted the Dems have committed their share of errors, but that does not equate, not in size and in gravity, those committed by the GOP.
The Democrats don't want us to live the good life. The Republicans don't want us to live. They're both the same, with a few "minor" differences.
I wouldn't characterize as such. The Dems were more on the left years ago, but they were pulled to the centre (from Clinton and on), while the GOP has moved further to the right. At the moment, they are pulling the present administration even further to the center-right. Pretty soon, if things continue along this trend, the Dems will end up to the far right, and the GOP will make the Nazis look like pushovers.
:Hangman:
Actually Obama pulled a master stroke of politics. He was far more liberal and the right swept the house. His presidency was challenged, etc. He realized that by moving right he could capture a large chunk of lost ground and demographics for Democrats. He took a step right and the right wing took 4 to the right. Obama took a few more steps and of course we got the freak show that was the 2012 republican primary race and has isolated many in the rube party as loose cannon crazys.
Quote from: "Plu"This is probably the most pathetic thing I've seen in a long time. If this is what politics in the US looks like and you think this is a good thing, you totally deserve the government you have right now.
It really is quite embarrassing to think that people in other countries see this shit.
What concerns me a lot is how the basically non-partisan main stream media (not Fox News or MSNBC) seems to have settled on the notion that there is no such thing as false equivalency. If we say something negative about one political party we must express that the other party does the same thing, too. The problem is that such an approach just encourages greater extremism. I think at least some of the drift of the Republican party into ideological purity can be attributable to this false equivalency that the media seems to be imposing on itself.
They used to shoot each other in congress. Yeah, this is silly and it wouldn't bother me much if someone shot the flea baggers..... Well you get it. :-k