http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4f9_1379750196 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4f9_1379750196) We have met the enemy and our world has changed for ever. :cry: :roll: Solitary
Conspiracy, where art thou :D
Why is this nonsense in History?
History is a record of the activities of man. Therefore, it will include nonsense.
There's 3-1/2 minutes of my life that I'll never get back.
Quote from: "SGOS"History is a record of the activities of man. Therefore, it will include nonsense.
It should at least be more than just a few years old.
Quote from: "Graniona123"Conspiracy, where art thou :D
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Quote from: "Solitary"I thought people here would be interested in footage never seen before, but I never expected to see the comments made about it---it's just a video with people's comments that never new why or how it happen, not a conspiracy theory propaganda video. :roll: Solitary
In that case I rescind my previous comments. With the people in the clip saying things like 'the blew up the towers' I incorrectly assumed it had to be a video put together by the conspiracy idiots who were presenting it as further 'proof' that the government blew up the towers. My bad.
Quote from: "Solitary"I would think since it was live and not edited it was just a video.
But it was edited. The subtitles didn't get there by themselves and all those separate clips didn't end up cut together into one single clip by accident. Somebody put it together. And previous experience has conditioned me to immediately assume conspiracy nuts are involved whenever I hear 'bomb' or 'blew up' in association with 9/11. I just have no patience for that sort of thing anymore I guess.
If y'a'll think THAT is a batshit crazy conspiracy, wait until you get a load of THIS!
[youtube:zpxzzzi1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThLaswlmDSQ[/youtube:zpxzzzi1]
If that ain't a load of bull, goddesses don't make little green apples.
DISCLAIMER: the above just might be the most enlightening 5 minutes of your life.
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Quote from: "jumper"... I don't want to just believe what MSM tells me - about anything.
Obviously you are not American, then. To an American, it is unpatriotic to doubt the FSM. I mean MSM. (Oh, well, same difference!)
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Quote from: "jumper"one of the few Americans that isn't a sheep
And just like that, your credibility is gone. :rolleyes:
Quote from: "Johan"Quote from: "jumper"one of the few Americans that isn't a sheep
And just like that, your credibility is gone. :rolleyes:
Oh come on "sheeple" don't you know that the Masonic Knights of the Illuminatic Order control everything? They beem mind control waves into our brains, then make us think that Elvis
didn't shoot JFK.
:roll:
Lots of references by lots of people to multiple explosions. After the planes hit. Pure imagination of course. Like the fact that 4 big airliners were (supposed to be) involved, yet no recognizable plane debris was ever found at any of the sites. Nor any remains of a couple hundred passengers. Not a shred. All firsts in the history of plane crashes. And all on the same day. What a coincidence.
You are lying when you say that no recognizable plane debris were found at "any" of the sites. Recognizable plane wreckage was found at the Pentagon and the Pennsylvania sites. As for the NY sites, any plane wreckage and bodies would have been pulverized by hundreds of thousands of tonnes of falling steel. But we know they were planes because we have footage of both, particularly the second. As to the explosions? Well, when steel snaps under great strain, the rupture can sound a lot like an explosion as the steel snaps back from the strain releasing. It's a quite high energy event.
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on April 02, 2014, 11:03:32 AM
You are lying when you say that no recognizable plane debris were found at "any" of the sites. Recognizable plane wreckage was found at the Pentagon and the Pennsylvania sites.
Independent, credible source?
QuoteAs for the NY sites, any plane wreckage and bodies would have been pulverized by hundreds of thousands of tonnes of falling steel.
Including 4 eight foot diameter and 15 foot length titanium rotor assemblies (melting point 2600º C/4712º F) and 4 'black boxes' specifically designed to survive extremely high-energy impact? Yeah, right.
And how about the other 4 eight foot titanium rotors and 4 'black boxes' that went down in Pennsylvania and the Pentagon
without having "been pulverized by hundreds of thousands of tonnes of falling steel". Where are those?
QuoteBut we know they were planes because we have footage of both
Now
you are lying because there is
not one frame of the first plane that hit the towers. And the footage of the second plane was doctored.
Quoteparticularly the second. As to the explosions? Well, when steel snaps under great strain, the rupture can sound a lot like an explosion as the steel snaps back from the strain releasing. It's a quite high energy event.
No burning skyscraper anywhere
ever collapsed as a result of fire. Not even after 72 hours of blazing fury. On 9/11 not one, not two, but
three skyscrapers did, however. Of which one wasn't even hit by a plane and had 'only' non-disastrous fires burning on
part of 2 floors. All on the same day.
What a coincidence.
Quote from: Mandingo on April 02, 2014, 11:23:54 AM
Independent, credible source?
How about your own eyes?
Pentagon site:
(http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/13.jpg)
Pennsylvania site:
(http://stj911.org/evidence/docs/P200061_1.jpg)
Are you really saying these aren't plane debris?
Quote from: Mandingo on April 02, 2014, 11:23:54 AMIncluding 4 eight foot diameter and 15 foot length titanium rotor assemblies (melting point 2600º C/4712º F)
Melting point ≠structural strength.
Quote from: Mandingo on April 02, 2014, 11:23:54 AMand 4 'black boxes' specifically designed to survive extremely high-energy impact?
And a high energy impact from a crash landing is the same as the live load of a falling building landing on top of the plane? Nonsense.
Do you seriously realize how stupid you sound?
Quote from: Mandingo on April 02, 2014, 11:23:54 AMAnd how about the other 4 eight foot titanium rotors and 4 'black boxes' that went down in Pennsylvania and the Pentagon without having "been pulverized by hundreds of thousands of tonnes of falling steel". Where are those?
The black boxes? Found. Even 911research admits that both of those recorders were claimed to be found. They only dispute whether or not they were plants. As to the turbines, they are NOT build to survive impacts, and as such would be unrecognizable in a debris field. Under normal operation, their only job is to be driven by hot gasses. That's a completely different set of engineering specs.
Quote from: Mandingo on April 02, 2014, 11:23:54 AMNow you are lying because there is not one frame of the first plane that hit the towers.
Try again, liar:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Ys41jnL2Elk#t=11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Ys41jnL2Elk#t=11)
Quote from: Mandingo on April 02, 2014, 11:23:54 AMAnd the footage of the second plane was doctored.
Doctored... as it was being broadcast live. Hillarious.
Quote from: Mandingo on April 02, 2014, 11:23:54 AMNo burning skyscraper anywhere ever collapsed as a result of fire. Not even after 72 hours of blazing fury. On 9/11 not one, not two, but three skyscrapers did, however. Of which one wasn't even hit by a plane and had 'only' non-disastrous fires burning on part of 2 floors. All on the same day.
What a coincidence.
None of the previous buildings had a high energy impact of a plane smashing into them, blowing off fire retardant designed to protect the main structural members from weakening in that way â€" the fire retardant was on those members because if they weren't there the building
would collapse quickly from fire. Also, none of the previous buildings had a skyscraper rain flaming debris on top of it, and
none occurred where the where the water system was so compromised.
Also, there were no fires in a pure steel-framed construction building before. The twin towers were some of the oldest buildings in the world to use pure steel-framed construction, because it was the development of steel-framed construction that enabled them to be built in the first place. If they had used steel-reinforced concrete (an excellent, and impact-resistent fire-retardant by the way â€" every example put forward by your ilk seem to point to buildings that are steel-reinforced concrete), the twin towers would have been too heavy to build.
What a coincidence.
That's it? "What a coincidence?" Like that is actually indicative of something?
Let me tell you something. It is not a coincidence that Al Quaeda wanted to take down the twin towers. They tried the same thing in 1993, unsuccessfully, using car bombs. So they crashed planes into the buildings, and that brought them own. The towers together have an estimated dead load of 169,000,000 kg each, and using a COM 1/3 up the 1362 ft (415.1 m) tower yields a gravitational potential energy of 463.044 GJ, or the explosive equivalent of 110.67 tons of TNT, for each tower. With that kind of destruction going around, it shouldn't be surprising to anyone that there would be other damage, up to and including bringing another building down. Hell, if another building was brought down too, it would be just as much a "coincidence."
Anyway, I've had enough of your bullshit. Until you bring scholarly articles published in reputable peer review journals to the contrary, the NIST conclusions that the plane impacts and subsequent fires brought down the twin towers and the falling debris from 1 & 2 WTC and the resulting fires brought down 7 WTC stand.
Since you think that uncritically repeating the Bush administration mantra* is good enough to support your position I'll do the same:
what a coincidence.
*eerily reminiscent of the mantra of Sadam Hussein's "WMDs"... :cool:
Hakurei, what evidence can you present to somebody that does not value actual evidence?
Quote from: Mandingo on April 03, 2014, 06:31:42 PM
Since you think that uncritically repeating the Bush administration mantra* is good enough to support your position I'll do the same:
what a coincidence.
*eerily reminiscent of the mantra of Sadam Hussein's "WMDs"... :cool:
If you think that deferring to the NIST reports on 9/11 is equivalent to "uncritically repeating the Bush administration mantra", then you really are a worthless person. Foed.
Repeated insulting and name calling doesn't strengthen your case, sir. Quite the contrary. :cool:
Quote from: Mandingo on April 03, 2014, 09:11:04 PM
Repeated insulting and name calling doesn't strengthen your case, sir. Quite the contrary. :cool:
At least he has a case.
I love the ignore list.
Quote from: Jmpty on April 03, 2014, 10:11:20 PM
At least he has a case.
In a corrupt (Supreme) court, yes, he does indeed.
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Mandingo=AtheistMoFo
A.o. :cool:
My daddy is Shiva.
All I saw was a bunch of people that didn't know what the hell they were talking about.
Quote from: Feral Atheist on April 05, 2014, 12:00:01 AM
All I saw was a bunch of people that didn't know what the hell they were talking about.
They were there. You weren't.
Of those two, no guesses who doesn't know what he is talking about.
Quote from: Mandingo on April 08, 2014, 07:55:27 AM
They were there. You weren't.
We have evidence and analysis. They had pure and simple panic.
Of those two, I think I'd hedge my bets on those of us looking at the evidence.
Quote from: Mandingo on April 08, 2014, 07:55:27 AM
They were there. You weren't.
Of those two, no guesses who doesn't know what he is talking about.
The most unreliable source of information, the eyewitness.
Did you actually watch it, and your put faith in comments like "my wife said" or "they blew up the supreme court", or "sparks from the steel".
Quote from: Feral Atheist on April 08, 2014, 11:58:35 AM
"they blew up the supreme courty"
They did?
What took them so long?
Quote from: Mandingo on April 09, 2014, 09:10:19 AM
They did?
What took them so long?
supreme court
tpyo - fixed
Eyewitness is about as low on the list of credible sources as it gets, so... aight, cool story that they were there bro.
Quote from: Shiranu on April 09, 2014, 11:16:33 AM
Eyewitness is about as low on the list of credible sources as it gets
Sure, if it's just one or two.
In this case there are thousands, to which you can apply statistics*. Which they didn't. Why not? Because it would have shown what they didn't want to be public knowledge?
*a bona fide
scientific tool
Quoteso... aight, cool story that they were there bro.
Yep, they can tell their grandchildren they were there when the administration murdered three thousand of its own citizens* in order to have an excuse to start 2 wars that cost 80.000 more American lives, and over a million of non-Americans'. All for the benefit of the already filthy rich super shareholders â€" read: owners â€" of the military, energy, and finance industries. The multi billionaires.
Money rules in America.
Not the people.
The Supreme Court locked that down once more for good measure this week (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/03/us/politics/supreme-court-ruling-on-campaign-contributions.html?_r=0).
* a socalled 'false flag operation'. A classic in politics and war for millennia. Hitler did it with Poland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident)). Putin is doing it, as we speak, in the Ukraine**. The US did it in Vietnam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident)). 9/11 Was an updated version of the 'Operation Northwoods (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods)' scenario of the early sixties.
**odds are â€" well, not exactly odds of course; actually just following convention â€" this may henceforth go down in history as 'the Lugansk Incident'...
Watch the news. The excuse for Putin to go in 'to protect our Russian brethren from being attacked by the Kiev regime â€" those NATO lovers!' is developing in Lugansk right now. The timers seem to be set for 48 hours from now.
And when the dust has settled Putin will have the Crimea and the north-eastern Ukraine (= huge) back into the Russian (feudal/imperial/communist/fascist) fold/realm.
And a taste for more where that came from.
The multi-billionaires
love it.
So... looks like Cybercommuter aka AtheistMoFo aka Mandingo is at it again. Forgot again your medications?
Quote from: DunkleSeele on April 10, 2014, 03:48:58 AM
So... looks like Cybercommuter aka AtheistMoFo aka Mandingo is at it again. Forgot again your medications?
Someone's got to tell sheeple like you.
Quote from: Mandingo on April 10, 2014, 08:43:16 AM
Someone's got to tell sheeple like you spout total bullshit .
Fixed it for you, shitstain.
Quote from: DunkleSeele on April 10, 2014, 09:53:18 AM
Fixed it for you, shitstain.
Yeah, exactly like 9/11 was fixed.
Tragic that you can't handle reality and have to resort to 1) falsifying evidence, and 2) pathetic name calling as adolescents do.
Very reminiscent of fundamentalist believers! :D
Quote from: Mandingo on April 10, 2014, 10:32:35 AM
Yeah, exactly like 9/11 was fixed.
Tragic that you can't handle reality and have to resort to 1) falsifying evidence, and 2) pathetic name calling as adolescents do.
Very reminiscent of fundamentalist believers! :D
The only one posting false evidence here is you. You've been already exposed several times and still you come back for more humiliation; how's that for reminding fundamentalist believers?
That said, I'll give you the satisfaction of having the last word, shitstain. I'm not going to answer your crud any more.
Quote from: DunkleSeele on April 10, 2014, 11:02:39 AM
The only one posting false evidence here is you.
Like what?
Sofar you haven't shown any, just vague baseless accusations. Nothing concrete. Because you haven't got anything concrete.
I don't presume to post 'evidence'. Because I wasn't there. I post logic and common sense. But that's of course beyond fundamentalists.
QuoteYou've been already exposed several times
Again baseless, unsupported wishful thinking. A.k.a. nasty claims, and character assassination (a cottage industry in America) but nothing more.
And consequently waaay off the mark. :D
QuoteI'm not going to answer your crud any more.
The easiest and fastest way out of an uncomfortable, embarrassing conversation. :D
A.k.a. flight. :D
Quote from: Mandingo on April 08, 2014, 07:55:27 AM
They were there. You weren't.
Of those two, no guesses who doesn't know what he is talking about.
But I was, I am also a military trained E.O.D., got a counter for that? Yea didn't think so.
Throughout this whole thing you have YET to provide one ounce of EVIDENCE(notice that word there). Your argument boils down to the same thing that the religious nuts throw at us: "I don't know therefore god". Except you are replacing god with conspiracy. The amount of people needed to do what you "think", and I use that word lightly in this case, happened is astounding, KEEPING that amount of people quiet for this long is even more astounding, doing it all in one of the busiest cities in one of the busiest office buildings without ONE person not involved noticing is impossible.
9/11 was an inside job, and the world government is run by alien lizard Jews.
Oh, and the moon landing was faked. Don't forget about Elvis being alive.
The world is flat as well, and a UFO crashed in Roswell.
Sorry, have seen your "evidence" and it is just as sketchy as saying the moon landing was faked. I am as distrustful of the government as the next guy, but to think they could cover this up (as well as somehow make ALL the evidence look true to the "official story")... Sorry, that is just as goofy as the things above.
Quote from: Shiranu on April 10, 2014, 08:59:07 PMDon't forget about Elvis being alive.
Wait. He is, isn't he?
:lol:
Sent via your mom
On no president's watch before this one â€" GOP or Democrat â€" were there ever more persecuted and prosecuted whistleblowers.
Coincidence?
Yeah, right.