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QuoteFreedom of belief doesn't appear to be important to Fox News host Dana Perino, who suggested that if atheists don't like having "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance, well, "they don't have to live here."
Massachusetts' highest court is currently hearing a case against the Pledge brought by atheist parents, who feel that due to its religious wording, atheist children "are denied meaningful participation in this patriotic exercise." The case specifically involves the phrase, "under God," which was not actually a part of the original phrasing of the Pledge.
Regarding atheists, Perino said during a live segment, "I'm tired of them." She continued, "I remember working at the Justice Department years ago when I first started right after 9/11 and a lawsuit like this came through, and before the day had finished, the United States Senate and the House of Representatives had both passed resolutions saying that they were for keeping 'under God' in the pledge."
"If these people really don't like it, they don't have to live here," she concluded.
Co-host Bob Beckel agreed, "Yeah, that's a good point."
Is it, really?
We need to come up with something like a Christian Crying Towel to send to these people, so every time they get butthurt they can have something to wipe their tears with.
I wonder how they would feel if it was changed to under Allah the same God. :roll: Solitary
Hey Dana.. good news! You're completely free to go fuck yourself! How's that for your precious freedom of religion? :)
Fox News Demographics
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Typically older and lower income. I know that the number of atheists is on the rise-supposed to be in the majority worldwide about 2025- which means she is basically pissing on her future demographics.
Athiests pay taxes. Churches do not. The way I see it, if someone is going to have to leave because they don't like the other, it oughta be the one that isn't paying any rent.
*claps*
Good job guys, you officially made Fox look even more ultra conservative and intolerant. Its times like these that I truly love being an American.
And I don't have to live here? Nope, but then again you don't have to be a bitch either, calm your tits and face the fact that a lot of people in the US don't believe in God. And we aren't the ones running around shooting or raping people, as much as you guys like to blame us.
Sorry to disappoint, but most of us are just average people who just don't believe
Go figure
Ultra conservatives don't have to live here.
Quote from: "Hijiri Byakuren"Ultra conservatives don't have to live here.
I'd tell them to move somewhere else, but I'd feel sorry for just about anyone else that they could possibly live. Even fictional countries like Latveria, Azadistan, and Luxembourg. Maybe if we created an artificial continent and gave it the worst weather, fauna, and flora of the world and populated it solely with ultraconservatives...
I don't waste time justifying myself to them so instead I invite them to a go fuck themselves party! :)
Quote from: "stromboli"We need to come up with something like a Christian Crying Towel to send to these people, so every time they get butthurt they can have something to wipe their tears with.
How about a large cactus?
It's the Christians who don't have to live in this SECULARLY-CONCEIVED nation if they don't like it.
I love the part about the Congress passing a resolution to keep the phrase in. Wasn't there something about the government (meaning the Congress) NOT being allowed to pass any religious laws? How about we take back the country for the Founding Fathers and kick the traitors (those who would subvert the reason for its founding) out? With a free cactus each.
Quote from: "Hydra009"Maybe if we created an artificial continent and gave it the worst weather, fauna, and flora of the world and populated it solely with ultraconservatives...
But then we'd create a breed of superultraconservatives, like the superbugs that we can't kill with antibiotics!
QuotePerino said during a live segment, "I'm tired of them."
That's exactly how I feel about religious cunts.
I too am tired of the religious neo-con's trying to shove their superstitions down the rest of our throats. But, I don't think they deserve to be called ultra-conservative. Unless you mean it differently than I do.
I would define political categories as follows:
Neo-con, someone believing in a theocracy and US hegemony to push Christianity on the rest of the world.
Liberal, someone who believes the government can solve societies problems. If just the right people got into power.
Arch-Conservative (aka: Libertarian) believes the government should abide by the intent of the constitution.
Ultra-Conservative, wants to go back to the middle ages, where their church and the government worked together to keep everyone in their place.
Fascists, (aka: Corporatism, plutarchy, Nazi) believe the corporations should run the country. Like we have now.
Does that sound right? Where am I off?
Quote from: "Hydra009"Quote from: "Hijiri Byakuren"Ultra conservatives don't have to live here.
I'd tell them to move somewhere else, but I'd feel sorry for just about anyone else that they could possibly live. Even fictional countries like Latveria, Azadistan, and Luxembourg. Maybe if we created an artificial continent and gave it the worst weather, fauna, and flora of the world and populated it solely with ultraconservatives...
Latveria would send them to the gas chambers. That's what happens when your country is ruled by a man of true genius.
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QuoteFreedom of belief doesn't appear to be important to Fox News host Dana Perino, who suggested that if atheists don't like having "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance, well, "they don't have to live here."
We need to come up with something like a Christian Crying Towel to send to these people, so every time they get butthurt they can have something to wipe their tears with.
Article 18 of the universal declaration of human rights is something religious people like to ignore when trampling over peoples human rights, perhaps it would be better to point out how her views are not compatible with human rights.
//http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/
That's not how it works, she has it backwards.
Shes the one bitching, so if anything atheists should be the ones telling her she doesn't have to live here.
Quote from: "Hydra009"Quote from: "Hijiri Byakuren"Ultra conservatives don't have to live here.
I'd tell them to move somewhere else, but I'd feel sorry for just about anyone else that they could possibly live. Even fictional countries like Latveria, Azadistan, and Luxembourg. Maybe if we created an artificial continent and gave it the worst weather, fauna, and flora of the world and populated it solely with ultraconservatives...
Do I have to be European to get this joke?
Luxembourg isn't so much a country as a state of mind. :-D
Fox News doesn't have to be a pack of salt-cured twats.
Business as usual. I sure am glad she's not in government any more.
Quote from: "stromboli"Luxembourg isn't so much a country as a state of mind. :-D
And one you can walk across in less than an hour. But the last time I was there, the donut shop had pretty good coffee.
Quote from: "Hijiri Byakuren"Ultra conservatives don't have to live here.
Yeah, but who gets stuck with getting rid of the bodies? :twisted:
Quote from: "GalacticBusDriver"Quote from: "Hijiri Byakuren"Ultra conservatives don't have to live here.
Yeah, but who gets stuck with getting rid of the bodies? :twisted:
Not suggesting anything, but I
do charge a reasonable rate for such dirtywork. :wink:
I do hope no one is seriously suggesting mass murder, though. Because that would just be sick.
Quote from: "Colanth"Quote from: "stromboli"Luxembourg isn't so much a country as a state of mind. :-D
And one you can walk across in less than an hour. But the last time I was there, the donut shop had pretty good coffee.
You walk at 20 miles an hour? :shock:
Quote from: "GalacticBusDriver"Quote from: "Hijiri Byakuren"Ultra conservatives don't have to live here.
Yeah, but who gets stuck with getting rid of the bodies? :twisted:
Rats and beetles?
For once, Fox News is technically correct: atheists don't have to live in the United States. But I wonder how the US would deal with losing two-thirds of its scientists.
Given current trends, Americans might not even notice. :-?
Quote(aka: Libertarian) believes the government should abide by the intent of the constitution.
I disagree with you about libertarians.
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Quote from: "LikelyToBreak"I would define political categories as follows:
Neo-con, someone believing in a theocracy and US hegemony to push Christianity on the rest of the world.
Neocons are the hawks... the warmongers, the "America is the world's policeman", the believers in American exceptionalism, and forcing American domination over other countries and cultures. They're the PNAC crowd. They have a great disdain for the Religious Right, but value them as useful tools. They're largely sociopaths. The goal of the Neocons is world domination by the US. They're epitomized by Dick Cheney.
The Religious Right are what I like to call the Theocons. They're fine with the Neocons because a) they're too stupid to realize the Neocons look down on them and use them as tools, and b) they love the idea of warfare if it involves the Middle East or Russia, which to them represents the Armageddon that they look forward to. The goal of the Theocons is theocracy. They're epitomized by Rick Perry.
Quote from: "Graceless"For once, Fox News is technically correct: atheists don't have to live in the United States. But I wonder how the US would deal with losing two-thirds of its scientists.
Given current trends, Americans might not even notice. :-?
Atheists should live in Japan, Sweden, Finland, Czech Republic or even England. All of those countries have high secularism or are non-Christian and strangely enough, have very low crime rates compared to the USA. What Fox really wants to say is that Atheists should go to hell. And like the pandering of politicians they are disingenuous. They know, as politicians know, that in a country that has 80% of the population confessing belief in a Christian God it is in their best interest to pander to the ignorant, non thinking populace to boost their ratings.
I lived in Japan and I can tell you being an Atheist meant nothing to them and they were certainly not threatened. It was never challenged, questioned or disparaged. It was accepted and considered benign if considered at all.
Quote from: "Bobbotov"Atheists should live in Japan, Sweden, Finland, Czech Republic or even England. All of those countries have high secularism or are non-Christian and strangely enough, have very low crime rates compared to the USA.
But wouldn't that just mean less atheists for the rest of the world? :-k
Quote from: "Hydra009"Quote from: "Bobbotov"Atheists should live in Japan, Sweden, Finland, Czech Republic or even England. All of those countries have high secularism or are non-Christian and strangely enough, have very low crime rates compared to the USA.
But wouldn't that just mean less atheists for the rest of the world? :-k
Not sure I understand that statement. It would be the same number just redeployed.
Quote from: "Hydra009"Quote from: "Bobbotov"Atheists should live in Japan, Sweden, Finland, Czech Republic or even England. All of those countries have high secularism or are non-Christian and strangely enough, have very low crime rates compared to the USA.
But wouldn't that just mean less atheists for the rest of the world? :-k
If you have 9 baskets and 1 apple in each one, and you put all the apples in 3 baskets divided evenly, how many apples are in each basket?
Quote from: "Bobbotov"Atheists should live in Japan, Sweden, Finland, Czech Republic or even England. All of those countries have high secularism or are non-Christian
They just happen to be. The US is legally mandated to be a secular nation, regardless of the delusions of Christians to the contrary.
Quote from: "Hydra009"Quote from: "Hydra009"Quote from: "Bobbotov"Atheists should live in Japan, Sweden, Finland, Czech Republic or even England. All of those countries have high secularism or are non-Christian and strangely enough, have very low crime rates compared to the USA.
But wouldn't that just mean less atheists for the rest of the world? :-k
If you have 9 baskets and 1 apple in each one, and you put all the apples in 3 baskets divided evenly, how many apples are in each basket?
Well, if each basket represents a country then 9 represents the world in your example. If you redistribute them then you still only have 9 apples in the world. If you are saying that redistribution limits or eliminates atheist in some countries that is true but the total number in the world regardless of countries ostensibly would remain the same.
Quote from: "Colanth"Quote from: "Bobbotov"Atheists should live in Japan, Sweden, Finland, Czech Republic or even England. All of those countries have high secularism or are non-Christian
They just happen to be. The US is legally mandated to be a secular nation, regardless of the delusions of Christians to the contrary.
However, the Christians (who are completely unaware of their delusion) in this country equate nationalism with religion - God and country. Several polls have shown that atheists are considered the most untrustworthy and least electable and you will not see a politician aver they are an atheist. Instead they pander to the religious populace. I think it is fair to say that the religious in this country have much influence on politics, education, and civil rights so as to obviate its secular foundation. If we were really secular then religions should be taxed.
This is just oldfashioned fascist and poorly disguised censorship. If you don't live in the USA you shouldn't concern yourself with it's policies, and if you do live in the USA it's like it or leave it. Either way they want you to shut up.
Unless you're eligable for asylum, emigration is not a casually available option. Even moving to another place within your own town can be expensive and logisticly daunting enough.
Quote from: "Bobbotov"Several polls have shown that atheists are considered the most untrustworthy and least electable and you will not see a politician aver they are an atheist.
Aver they are? Any politician who doesn't actively aver that s/he is a theist is unelectable. Have you seen the nonsense about Hillary Clinton's Twitter account?
QuoteI think it is fair to say that the religious in this country have much influence on politics, education, and civil rights so as to obviate its secular foundation.
And that's exactly what we have to keep fighting against.
QuoteIf we were really secular then religions should be taxed.
If we were really secular, the churches wouldn't be taxed, but they wouldn't get involved in politics either. (Or they'd be given their choice - one political word and you go on the tax rolls.) Remember, the power to tax is the power to control, and we don't want government controlling religion (or the other way around).
Quote from: "Jutter"This is just oldfashioned fascist and poorly disguised censorship. If you don't live in the USA you shouldn't concern yourself with it's policies, and if you do live in the USA it's like it or leave it.
Which is why we countered with "love it or change it" back in the 60s. Schurz did NOT say "my country, right or wrong".
Quote from: "Colanth"If we were really secular, the churches wouldn't be taxed, but they wouldn't get involved in politics either. (Or they'd be given their choice - one political word and you go on the tax rolls.) Remember, the power to tax is the power to control, and we don't want government controlling religion (or the other way around).
I think it falls into the Biblical category of rendering unto Caesar. However, I do agree that if they are not taxed then there should be extremely strict controls of them not using their tax free money for political purposes. De facto there is already an IRS law precluding churches from actively supporting politicians or political movements. They still have free speech but are disallowed from the following:
...organizations may not do such things as make statements that endorse or oppose a candidate, publish or distribute campaign literature, or make any type of contribution, monetary or otherwise, to a political campaign. On the other hand, IRC § 501(c)(3) organizations are allowed to conduct activities that are not related to elections, such as issue advocacy, lobbying for or against legislation, and supporting or opposing the appointment of individuals to non-elective offices.
Quote from: "Bobbotov"Well, if each basket represents a country then 9 represents the world in your example. If you redistribute them then you still only have 9 apples in the world. If you are saying that redistribution limits or eliminates atheist in some countries that is true but the total number in the world regardless of countries ostensibly would remain the same.
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Oookay. Guess I'm just going to have to go ahead and tell ya. If atheists leave the US, there are less atheists in the US. Follow me? Dear IPU, please tell me you do.
But here's the kicker - considering that we're trying to get this place on track to one day be like Sweden or Japan (at least, in terms of religiosity and religion in the public square), moving out might not actually be a good idea in the long run (//http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_drain).
[spoil:31x3t2r3]Our mission - blend in with the indigenous life, analyze their weaknesses, prepare the planet for the coming madness, yay.[/spoil:31x3t2r3]
Quote from: "Bobbotov"Quote from: "Colanth"If we were really secular, the churches wouldn't be taxed, but they wouldn't get involved in politics either. (Or they'd be given their choice - one political word and you go on the tax rolls.) Remember, the power to tax is the power to control, and we don't want government controlling religion (or the other way around).
I think it falls into the Biblical category of rendering unto Caesar. However, I do agree that if they are not taxed then there should be extremely strict controls of them not using their tax free money for political purposes. De facto there is already an IRS law precluding churches from actively supporting politicians or political movements. They still have free speech but are disallowed from the following:
...organizations may not do such things as make statements that endorse or oppose a candidate, publish or distribute campaign literature, or make any type of contribution, monetary or otherwise, to a political campaign. On the other hand, IRC § 501(c)(3) organizations are allowed to conduct activities that are not related to elections, such as issue advocacy, lobbying for or against legislation, and supporting or opposing the appointment of individuals to non-elective offices.
But they maintain that what's said from the pulpit, even if it's an order to the parishioners to vote for a particular candidate under penalty of hell, is part of the religion, not anything that violates that regulation. (Some of them have claimed that the regulation violates freedom of religion, so it can't be enforced.)
De jure (which is what we have - a law) is nice, but it's meaningless if it's not defacto. If no one was arrested for killing people, laws against murder would be ludicrous. If churches aren't prevented from political action, that IRS regulation is ludicrous. (And, whatever else, no one in government wants to be seen going against Jesus.)
Quote from: "Hydra009"Oookay. Guess I'm just going to have to go ahead and tell ya. If atheists leave the US, there are less atheists in the US. Follow me? Dear IPU, please tell me you do.
What part of this sentence...
"If you are saying that redistribution limits or eliminates atheist in some countries that is true...". did you not understand? I was agreeing with you.
Quote from: "Colanth"If churches aren't prevented from political action, that IRS regulation is ludicrous. (And, whatever else, no one in government wants to be seen going against Jesus.)
Well, perhaps
this will give some glimmer of hope. (//http://www.christiancentury.org/article/2013-08/atheist-group-can-sue-irs-over-enforcement-pulpit-politicking) But I wouldn't hold my breath.
Oh, is it time for FoxNews bi-monthly witch hunt against atheists again? I must have lost track of the time....
Stay tuned for the Godless War on Christmas in a few months!
I predict it will begin by the first week of November.
Quote from: "Bobbotov"Quote from: "Colanth"If churches aren't prevented from political action, that IRS regulation is ludicrous. (And, whatever else, no one in government wants to be seen going against Jesus.)
Well, perhaps this will give some glimmer of hope. (//http://www.christiancentury.org/article/2013-08/atheist-group-can-sue-irs-over-enforcement-pulpit-politicking) But I wouldn't hold my breath.
No hope at all. "The nasty Godless atheists can sue the benighted churches". The government still isn't doing anything that would be seen as anti-Christian. And even if the FFRF wins its case (and that's highly doubtful), the IRS can still "study" the matter to death without actually doing anything.
Sometimes it's easier to take the slap on the wrist for not acting than it is to act. But I don't see the IRS telling some church, "Okay, your pastor mentioned, last Sunday, that it would be in the best interests of Christianity if you vote for candidate X, so we're withdrawing tax-exempt status for your church". Yet that's exactly what the law says it's supposed to do. Tax-exempt or political, but you can't be both.
(And how much do you want to bet that many Christians would bring up the totally irrelevant fact that no church has been taxed since the US became a nation?)
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Quote from: "Agramon"Writer posted a YouTube video (//http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpPg3XJSWzk)
Lmao :rollin:
"I'm tired of YOU! I'm right, you're wrong, get the fuck outta the country!"
The fact that meat brains like Dana Perino work for the justice department might go a long way towards explaining why we have the highest percentage of people in incarceration for the stupidest of reasons, mostly involving drug possession.
Quote from: "Agramon"Writer posted a YouTube video (//http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpPg3XJSWzk)
Funny video. :-D