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Title: Elementary particles
Post by: josephpalazzo on September 01, 2013, 07:35:07 PM
We're all familiar with the Standard Model and how the elementary particles were represented on a graphic.

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But no Higgs boson can fit, as all the spots, horizontally and vertically, are neatly occupied. So what to do?

Here's a clever way:

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What says you!
Title: Re: Elementary particles
Post by: Brian37 on September 01, 2013, 07:41:10 PM
God did it.
Title: Re: Elementary particles
Post by: Solitary on September 01, 2013, 09:32:25 PM
Looks Good to me, or should I say looks like God to me?  8-)  Solitary
Title: Re: Elementary particles
Post by: Atheon on September 02, 2013, 02:47:59 AM
That's 13! (not including the force carriers)

The number of the devil!

Satan did it!
Title: Re: Elementary particles
Post by: SGOS on September 02, 2013, 04:26:27 AM
Which particle is the best one?   :-D
Title: Re: Elementary particles
Post by: Jason78 on September 02, 2013, 06:30:29 AM
Visual aids are always so helpful :D
Title: Re: Elementary particles
Post by: entropy on September 02, 2013, 04:34:20 PM
(//http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/josephpalazzo/Elementaryparticles-II.png)

I wonder if you could put concentric rings containing information between the higgs center circle and the force carrying particles ring and another information ring between the force carrying particles ring and the quarks and leptons split ring. The information rings could provide background about how the particles in the inner circles relate to the particles in the outer circles.

Where would gravitons go?   :)
Title: Re: Elementary particles
Post by: josephpalazzo on September 02, 2013, 07:06:18 PM
Quote from: "entropy"[ Image (//http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/josephpalazzo/Elementaryparticles-II.png) ]

I wonder if you could put concentric rings containing information between the higgs center circle and the force carrying particles ring and another information ring between the force carrying particles ring and the quarks and leptons split ring. The information rings could provide background about how the particles in the inner circles relate to the particles in the outer circles.

Where would gravitons go?   :)


What would be needed to now: Inner black circle: spin =0; inner blue circle, spin = 1; and outer circle, spin = 1/2

The graviton has'nt been found yet.
Title: Re: Elementary particles
Post by: entropy on September 02, 2013, 08:15:38 PM
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"The graviton has'nt been found yet.

I know, that's why I put the smiley face - as in "just kidding" - and said "...would gravitons go" rather than "...do gravitons go".
Title: Re: Elementary particles
Post by: Colanth on September 02, 2013, 08:21:43 PM
The diagram is closed ("finished").  Since the particles in the diagram don't sufficiently describe the universe, shouldn't there be an unclosed portion?  There's more than just "the graviton" (whatever it turns out to be) to consider.
Title: Re: Elementary particles
Post by: Solitary on September 02, 2013, 10:45:51 PM
Quote from: "SGOS"Which particle is the best one?   :-D


The God particle of course.  :roll:  :lol:  Solitary
Title: Re: Elementary particles
Post by: Solitary on September 02, 2013, 10:56:07 PM
I'm still trying to find the tachyon.  :-?   I think it went back to yesterday.  :shock:   :lol:  Solitary
Title: Re: Elementary particles
Post by: Colanth on September 03, 2013, 12:41:11 AM
Tachyon is a description, not the name of a particular particle.  The opposite of tachyon is tardion, and all the above particles are tardions.  (Well, let's hope they all are.  If even one of them isn't, we're going to have to rewrite a lot of science.)
Title: Re: Elementary particles
Post by: josephpalazzo on September 03, 2013, 10:58:39 AM
Quote from: "Colanth"The diagram is closed ("finished").  Since the particles in the diagram don't sufficiently describe the universe, shouldn't there be an unclosed portion?  There's more than just "the graviton" (whatever it turns out to be) to consider.

I know that Susy hasn't been declared dead yet... oh you, eternal optimist.