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Title: Kim Jong-un's ex-lover 'executed by firing squad'
Post by: Agramon on August 29, 2013, 05:03:20 PM
QuoteKim Jong-un's ex-lover 'executed by firing squad'
Kim Jong-un's ex-girlfriend was among a dozen well-known North Korean performers who were executed by firing squad nine days ago, according to South Korean reports.

Hyon Song-wol, a singer, rumoured to be a former lover of the North Korean leader, is said to have been arrested on Aug 17 with 11 others for violating laws against pornography.

The reports in South Korea's Chosun Ilbo newspaper indicate that Hyon, a singer with the Unhasu Orchestra, was among those arrested on August 17 for violating domestic laws on pornography.

All 12 were machine-gunned three days later, with other members of North Korea's most famous pop groups and their immediate families forced to watch. The onlookers were then sent to prison camps, victims of the regime's assumption of guilt by association, the reports stated.

"They were executed with machine guns while the key members of the Unhasu Orchestra, Wangjaesan Light Band and Moranbong Band as well as the families of the victims looked on," said a Chinese source reported in the newspaper.

 Hyon's band was responsible for a string of patriotic hits in North Korea, including "Footsteps of Soldiers," "I Love Pyongyang," "She is a Discharged Soldier" and "We are Troops of the Party." Her popularity reportedly peaked in 2005 with the song "Excellent Horse-Like Lady."

The 12 who were executed were singers, musicians or dancers with the Hyon's band,, the Unhasu Orchestra or the Wanghaesan Light Music Band and were accused of making videos of themselves performing sex acts and then selling the recordings.

The reports stated that both groups have been disbanded as a result of the scandal.

Some of the musicians were also found to have bibles when they were detained and all were treated as political dissidents.

Kim Jong-un, who became leader of North Korea after the sudden death of his father in December 2011, is believed to have met Hyon about 10 years ago and struck up a relationship.

His father, Kim Jong-il, did not approve of the relationship and ordered him to break it off. Hyon subsequently married an officer in the North Korean military and reportedly had a baby, although there are suggestions that Hyon continued to see Kim after her marriage.

Kim's wife, Ri Sol-ju, was also a member of the Unhasu Orchestra before marriage and one theory is that Ri objected to the continuing high profile of her husband's former girlfriend.

North Korea's Communist dictator reportedly purged his own step-mother, Kim Ok, from her post as a senior official in the Workers' Party Finance and Accounting Department as he sought to tighten his grip on power within the country.

She was luckier than Kim Chol, vice minister of the army, who was executed with a mortar round in October 2012.

Kim Chol was reportedly executed for drinking and carousing during the official mourning period after Kim Jong-il's death.

On the explicit orders of Kim Jong-un to leave "no trace of him behind, down to his hair," according to South Korean media, Kim Chol was forced to stand on a spot that had been zeroed in for a mortar round and "obliterated."

 An expert on North Korean affairs believes the singer was executed for "political reasons."

"If these people had only made pornographic videos, then it is simply not believable that their punishment was execution," Toshimitsu Shigemura, a professor at Tokyo's Waseda University and an authority on North Korean affairs, told The Daily Telegraph.

"They could have been made to disappear into the prison system there instead.

"There is a political reason behind this," he said, suggesting that the groups may have been leaning towards a rival faction in Pyongyang's shadowy political world.

"Or, as Kim's wife once belonged to the same group, it is possible that these executions are more about Kim's wife," Professor Shigemura added.
Link (//http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10272953/Kim-Jong-uns-ex-lover-executed-by-firing-squad.html)
Title: Re: Kim Jong-un's ex-lover 'executed by firing squad'
Post by: Nonsensei on August 29, 2013, 05:10:59 PM
I don't even know what to say. I don't even want to hear about North Korea because nothing will ever be done about it.
Title: Re: Kim Jong-un's ex-lover 'executed by firing squad'
Post by: hillbillyatheist on August 29, 2013, 05:24:24 PM
so long as they didn't gas those people, right Obama? otherwise its time to bomb them.
Title: Re: Kim Jong-un's ex-lover 'executed by firing squad'
Post by: Colanth on August 29, 2013, 05:28:35 PM
Quote from: "Agramon"
QuoteAn expert on North Korean affairs believes the singer was executed for "political reasons."
Really?  Water is wet?

This leads me to wonder what his father REALLY died of.  An overdose of filial ambition?
Title: Re: Kim Jong-un's ex-lover 'executed by firing squad'
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on August 29, 2013, 05:47:07 PM
Not to sound callous, but does anything North Korea does honestly surprise anyone these days?
Title: Re: Kim Jong-un's ex-lover 'executed by firing squad'
Post by: Triple Nine on August 29, 2013, 06:26:08 PM
Somehow Syria is a bigger problem than this though.
Title: Re: Kim Jong-un's ex-lover 'executed by firing squad'
Post by: WitchSabrina on August 29, 2013, 06:27:43 PM
Quote from: "Nonsensei"I don't even know what to say. I don't even want to hear about North Korea because nothing will ever be done about it.


This ^^^
 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:
Title: Re: Kim Jong-un's ex-lover 'executed by firing squad'
Post by: Brian37 on August 29, 2013, 06:44:04 PM
Sick shit.
Title: Re: Kim Jong-un's ex-lover 'executed by firing squad'
Post by: LikelyToBreak on August 29, 2013, 06:59:16 PM
hillbillyatheist wrote:
Quoteso long as they didn't gas those people, right Obama? otherwise its time to bomb them.
Oh how silly of you.  :rollin:   They don't have any oil.  #-o
Title: Re: Kim Jong-un's ex-lover 'executed by firing squad'
Post by: Thumpalumpacus on August 30, 2013, 02:45:39 AM
QuoteKim's wife, Ri Sol-ju, was also a member of the Unhasu Orchestra before marriage

[overheard in the Beneficent Leader's private quarters]

KJU: So, what's on TV tonight?
RSJ: Well, we've got Best Korea's Got Talent!, and --"
cellphone signals text-message, KJU reads and quickly slides his phone shut
RSJ: And who was that?
KJU: That was Ben-E, he wanted to know if we wanted to go to the opera tonight.
RSJ: Ben-E?  Opera?
KJU: Well --
RSJ: Benny hates opera, remember when we asked him and Jun-yo to The Pirates of Pyongyang? He pratically vomited.
KJU: Well, he asked, and --
RSJ: Let me see that!
KJU: What?
RSJ grabs phone
RSJ, reading text: "lol, u still got that anchor on ur azz? When u want a reel woman, hit me up, baby."
KJU: Uh --
RSJ: What the fuck is that bitch doing in your inbox?
KJU: Baby, I can --
RSJ: Don't you "baby" me, motherfucker.  What the fuck you doing with that skank?
KJU: You don't understand, it's ju --
RSJ: Oh, I understand all right.  You knockin' boots with that ho.  You think I'm stupid?  That shit gonna stop!
KJU: Baby, I --
RSJ: Don't you "baby' me, motherfucker!  You need to do somethin' about that bitch.
KJU: I've already had her drafted into the People's Army!
RSJ: Well that shit ain't workin', now is it?  You need to kill that bitch, Kim.  You hear me?
KJU: I can have her sent to Canada as a spy?
RSJ: What the fuck do you not understand in "kill that bitch"?!
KJU: But --
RSJ: But nothin', you ain't getting any twerkin' until she's dead and gone!  I mean it!
KJU: Twerkin'?!  You'd take that away?!
RSJ: You're goddamned straight I would.  Kill that bitch.
KJU: Okay ... okay.  
RSJ: I want her family enslaved as well.
KJU: We've already got a full labor conscrip --
RSJ: Would you shut the fuck up?  I want them digging foxholes!
KJU:  Yes, dear.  Anything else?
RSJ: Can we have a spinach salad with our spaghetti tonight?
Title: Re: Kim Jong-un's ex-lover 'executed by firing squad'
Post by: Youssuf Ramadan on August 30, 2013, 06:46:15 AM
Quote from: "Triple Nine"Somehow Syria is a bigger problem than this though.

This execution aside, I don't know if Syria is a bigger problem than North Korea.... is Syria likely to pose a real threat to the west?  :-k
Title: Re: Kim Jong-un's ex-lover 'executed by firing squad'
Post by: SGOS on August 30, 2013, 08:05:32 AM
Quote from: "Hijiri Byakuren"Not to sound callous, but does anything North Korea does honestly surprise anyone these days?
It's like it's government is actually made up of just one guy, and he's insane.
Title: Re: Kim Jong-un's ex-lover 'executed by firing squad'
Post by: Jason78 on August 30, 2013, 08:14:24 AM
Quote from: "Youssuf Ramadan"
Quote from: "Triple Nine"Somehow Syria is a bigger problem than this though.

This execution aside, I don't know if Syria is a bigger problem than North Korea.... is Syria likely to pose a real threat to the west?  :-k

Well the Norks aren't tossing around chemical weapons yet.
Title: Re: Kim Jong-un's ex-lover 'executed by firing squad'
Post by: Smartmarzipan on August 30, 2013, 09:22:10 AM
Quote from: "Nonsensei"I don't even know what to say. I don't even want to hear about North Korea because nothing will ever be done about it.

Unfortunately, that's true. North Korea has been abusing, torturing, killing, and brainwashing it's people for fucking decades. We hear about it constantly, but nothing is ever done. There's some sanctions here, some strong words there, and then the regime goes back to wreaking havoc on its populace again. They ordered some guy to be "obliterated" by mortars? That's fucking crazy!
Title: Re: Kim Jong-un's ex-lover 'executed by firing squad'
Post by: SilentFutility on August 30, 2013, 11:01:54 AM
Quote from: "Smartmarzipan"
Quote from: "Nonsensei"I don't even know what to say. I don't even want to hear about North Korea because nothing will ever be done about it.

Unfortunately, that's true. North Korea has been abusing, torturing, killing, and brainwashing it's people for fucking decades. We hear about it constantly, but nothing is ever done. There's some sanctions here, some strong words there, and then the regime goes back to wreaking havoc on its populace again. They ordered some guy to be "obliterated" by mortars? That's fucking crazy!
He was lucky. It sounds sick but he really was, his death was quick.

North Korea still operates gulags in which people are treated as badly as in forced-labour concentration camps from WW2 except they usually die off themselves rather than being gassed...
Title: Re: Kim Jong-un's ex-lover 'executed by firing squad'
Post by: Fidel_Castronaut on August 30, 2013, 11:41:52 AM
Quote from: "Agramon"She was luckier than Kim Chol, vice minister of the army, who was executed with a mortar round in October 2012.

Kim Chol was reportedly executed for drinking and carousing during the official mourning period after Kim Jong-il's death.

 :shock:

I don't know why I'm shocked. I'm surprised they haven't made someone try and run through an obstalce course of death a-la The Last Crusade for the amusement of onlookers.
Title: Re: Kim Jong-un's ex-lover 'executed by firing squad'
Post by: Atheon on August 30, 2013, 12:07:43 PM
As monstrous as the Kims are in North Korea, it seems this report may be bogus. Let us hope so.

//http://www.businessinsider.com/did-kim-jong-un-execute-his-ex-girlfriend-2013-8
Title: Re: Kim Jong-un's ex-lover 'executed by firing squad'
Post by: the_antithesis on August 30, 2013, 12:32:35 PM
Quote from: "Atheon"As monstrous as the Kims are in North Korea, it seems this report may be bogus. Let us hope so.

//http://www.businessinsider.com/did-kim-jong-un-execute-his-ex-girlfriend-2013-8

He looks like young Jack Kennedy Jr saluting his father's casket at the funeral in the photo on that page.
Title: Re: Kim Jong-un's ex-lover 'executed by firing squad'
Post by: mykcob4 on August 30, 2013, 01:52:28 PM
People here are confusing Syria and North Korea as if one is related to the other. The Syrian government is using GAS to kill anyone that opposes the government. That is an immediate threat to humanity. It's mass murder and MUST be dealt with. No Syria isn't a immediate threat to the USA but it is an indirect threat to the economy of the world, not to mention the inhumanity of the regime.
North Korea is a nation that is ruled by corruption and inhumanity, but it isn't GASING thousands of it's people. It isn't a direct threat to the USA and is of no consequence to the world economy. The missile developemnt there is being closely monitored and will be dealt with when it is necessary I assure you.
The ideal situation is for South Korea to deal directly with North Korea.
There is no proxy to deal with Syria. Therefore it is up to the civilized nations of the world to come together and deal with Syria.
Title: Re: Kim Jong-un's ex-lover 'executed by firing squad'
Post by: billhilly on August 30, 2013, 01:56:11 PM
NK isn't using gas to kill their people.  They use mortar rounds, machine guns, and starvation.  That's different you see and is apparently not an immediate threat to humanity like it would be if they used gas.
Title: Re: Kim Jong-un's ex-lover 'executed by firing squad'
Post by: Fidel_Castronaut on August 30, 2013, 02:00:50 PM
Quote from: "mykcob4"People here are confusing Syria and North Korea as if one is related to the other. The Syrian government is using GAS to kill anyone that opposes the government. That is an immediate threat to humanity. It's mass murder and MUST be dealt with. No Syria isn't a immediate threat to the USA but it is an indirect threat to the economy of the world, not to mention the inhumanity of the regime.
North Korea is a nation that is ruled by corruption and inhumanity, but it isn't GASING thousands of it's people. It isn't a direct threat to the USA and is of no consequence to the world economy. The missile developemnt there is being closely monitored and will be dealt with when it is necessary I assure you.
The ideal situation is for South Korea to deal directly with North Korea.
There is no proxy to deal with Syria. Therefore it is up to the civilized nations of the world to come together and deal with Syria.

No what NK is doing to its own people is arguably a lot worse, if we can form a ranking scale of 'bad things to do against your own civilians'.

Also, If reports are to be believed from defectors, NK is using gas on its own people, as well as a lot of other things:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_expe ... orth_Korea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_experimentation_in_North_Korea)
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/feb/01/northkorea (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/feb/01/northkorea)
http://www.yadvashem.org/yv/en/pressroo ... sp?cid=468 (http://www.yadvashem.org/yv/en/pressroom/pressreleases/pr_details.asp?cid=468)
http://www.theweek.co.uk/asia-pacific/n ... perational (http://www.theweek.co.uk/asia-pacific/north-korea/49759/north-koreas-deadly-camp-22-penal-gulag-still-operational)

Compared to the gulags in NK, Syria is a paradise.
Title: Re: Kim Jong-un's ex-lover 'executed by firing squad'
Post by: Mister Agenda on August 30, 2013, 04:17:53 PM
Quote from: "SGOS"
Quote from: "Hijiri Byakuren"Not to sound callous, but does anything North Korea does honestly surprise anyone these days?
It's like it's government is actually made up of just one guy, and he's insane.

I think that's explicitly the form of government outlined in their consitution.
Title: Re: Kim Jong-un's ex-lover 'executed by firing squad'
Post by: Mister Agenda on August 30, 2013, 04:19:42 PM
People are subjected to tortures in North Korea's prison camps that don't exist anywhere else in the world.