So, I've been loading crappy games onto my 3DS to get some fucking use of of the thing since I haven't calmed down enough yet after I rage quit from Luigi's Mansion. Fucking thing! What I have been most interested in lately are the game & Watch games, which there are some on the Nintendo E-shop, but not a lot and not many of the good ones. They do have the first two Game & Watch Galleries for Game Boy, which are functional if annoying having to load the game and not necessarily knowing which one has the game I want to play. Besides the Galleries are a couple individual G&W games and I'm pretty fucking snotty over which ones I want. I got Mario's Cement Factory because it's a classic. I'm hemming and hawing over Manhole (that's what she said) and Donkey Kong Jr. But I really don't care for Ball, Chef Vermin, Helmet, Flagman and Judge. These were some of the earlier and therefore less sophisticated G&W games. But you know what, as a kid I might have gotten one of these games and would up playing the hell out of it because it was the only game I had. In fact, that was true of my NES and Atari and Commodore ViC-20 (stop laughing). But now, thanks to emulators and ROM sites and Good Old Games and Steam and Nintendo's eShop, I can have a ton of games, many of which are great to play, but i just never play them. I'm thinking of getting Netflix so I don't have to use my brother's entirely too much projection TV to watch a movie, but how many movies of TV shows do I watch? I used to have a fairly sizable library of DVDs that I never watched until I got rid of them and since them I acquired a few more and I never watch any of them. I never watch TV shows anymore because I can watch those shows whenever I want. I used to have a schedule that revolved around TV so I can watch the shows I wanted. But I don't do that anymore.
This has got me thinking that having a large library where you can access media any time you want may be a bad idea since, for the most part, people simply won't do it. Why sit down and watch 24 when you can watch it any old time you want? Why play through the two Legend of Zelda Oracle games when you can just download them and play them anytime? How many hear checked books out of their school library growing up? How many of you have checked out a book since graduation? I haven't used a public library in years and not just because I don't read that much anymore. I own books that I never read.
Having access to a large cache of media means you won't bother using any of it. Why? I'm not sure. Part of it is being spoiled for choice. Part of it is the lack of urgency. Why watch Arrested Development when it is likely to always be there when you want it? It's not like you have to arrange your schedule around catching it when it was originally available and only then. If you missed it, you had to wait for it to rerun. No more. You don't have to be organized or determined to watch that show or play that game or read that book. Just press a button if you feel like it. The irony is that by having to only press a button means you'll never feel like it.
I loved by library growing up, but nowdays, I can just browse a bookstore and buy it outright if it appeals to me. I don't really feel the need to rent and wouldn't even take in piss in my old library, which pretty much looks like crap now (secondhand account from a relative). Come to think of it, their selection was always pretty crappy and excessively dated. Good riddance.
A massive selection doesn't necessarily breed ennui, though I see how it can. I have quite a few books, but I still like getting new ones or rereading old ones.
I wonder if you put every book you re-read over the course of five years into a box, how many there would be in the box.
Effectively, the internet has become the library, and we check out the books when we feel like reading/watching something by downloading it. There's no longer any need to download stuff beforehand if you don't want to, because connections are fast enough to stream it on demand.
Also, one must wonder how much they really care about a book/movie/series if one cannot be bothered to watch it unless it's "now or never". More likely, the fact that you aren't watching it means you simply don't want to watch it because you have better stuff to do.
I used to practically live in my library. When I didn't have internet, I went to the library to do my research. When I needed books for college research, I looked in the library since a book store doesn't carry older titles and buying it on line took entirelly too long. Even now, in the days of ebooks, you can't get every old book on your ereader. And to this day, when my internet goes, I run to the library with my laptop because I make a living on line.
I must admit, I haven't checked anything out for over a year now, because I have way too many books on my to read shelf (more like an entire book case) and not nearly enough time to actually do it, but for kids who need excess to information because they simply don't have internet or money to buy the very same games and books...
I'm happy to say that my local library has a huge sellection of everythign immaginable. It's a three storry building that always has a ton of people roaming around. Also happy to say that they are doing great financially. They recently sold a painting that was hanging there for god-knows-how-long for a few million bucks, so they got enough to stay afloat for quite a while.
The last time I stayed at the library for any length of time I got the joy of discovering that someone pooped in the urinal in their bathroom. Before that there use to be a notice in the bathroom that were making note of who comes in and out because, exact quote, "someone has been pooping on the floor and covering it up with toilet paper!!!!". I do hope they caught the serial pooper.
My library does have free language classes though, so I might start going again for that.
My family visits our local library weekly. My kid loves the play area, but also want to get books on animals and insects, as well as story books. Plus we get her a variety of reading level appropriate books so she can continue to develop that skill over the summer.
I also cannot afford to get subs to my favorite sewing magazine, threads, so I just check those out instead, and photocopy patterns and other interestin tip pages and file them.
I love the library. I get a book or two a month for myself to read, to suppliment my ebooks, and dozens of kids books. My dad also checks out a lot of books on tape, now that his eyesight is getting bad.
I don't know, I guess I just never grew out of it. Or maybe it is a regional thing. I have never stopped using my local libraries, and I find them useful, and entertaining!
Quote from: "the_antithesis"I wonder if you put every book you re-read over the course of five years into a box, how many there would be in the box.
That would be one empty box...
Quote from: "Hydra009"A massive selection doesn't necessarily breed ennui, though I see how it can.
I don't know if it's ennui, but I'm more contrasting it with how it was before the availability was there. I used to watch a lot more TV when I was younger. Maybe I have just found other things to do to waste my time, but I used to watch more when I had to watch to be able to see it.
Quote from: "the_antithesis"I wonder if you put every book you re-read over the course of five years into a box, how many there would be in the box.
About 10 books. I read about 10 books per year, and 2 of those are rereads (I'm a bit of a slow reader)
Last time I went to a library it was filled with transients trying to get out of the heat outside---117 degrees. all their books in the library were outdated accept philosophy, religion, and self help books. :evil: Solitary
You sound like quasi-republicans telling the world what a waste public libraries are. Next you'll tell us what a fucking waste it is to have a municipal water supply when it fucking rains..
Don't like to go to libraries? Stay the fuck home crybabies.
And stop inventing fake shit to fucking hissy bitch about.. :roll:
What a well reasoned and properly thought out argument. You present the perfect combination of name-calling, logical fallacies, and disdain to convince me your opinion is best.
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lol @ "ragequit".
I do love all the people here who think this is about public libraries. They so cute.
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"You sound like quasi-republicans telling the world what a waste public libraries are. Next you'll tell us what a fucking waste it is to have a municipal water supply when it fucking rains..
Don't like to go to libraries? Stay the fuck home crybabies.
And stop inventing fake shit to fucking hissy bitch about.. :roll:
Bro, do you even read? I certainly don't think they're a waste. (But they're in a pretty poor shape this neck of the woods) And the OP wasn't even really about that, anyway.
Quote from: "the_antithesis"Having access to a large cache of media means you won't bother using any of it. Why? I'm not sure. Part of it is being spoiled for choice. Part of it is the lack of urgency. Why watch Arrested Development when it is likely to always be there when you want it? It's not like you have to arrange your schedule around catching it when it was originally available and only then. If you missed it, you had to wait for it to rerun. No more. You don't have to be organized or determined to watch that show or play that game or read that book. Just press a button if you feel like it. The irony is that by having to only press a button means you'll never feel like it.
I have definitely felt this way before. In just the past few years, I've discovered that I can have any show, any movie, any book at my fingertips. While this is neat thing if there is something you REALLY want immediately, I find I spend more time accumulating media than I do reading it. I just got a Kindle Paperwhite for my birthday. I've downloaded 100 free books and have read precisely ONE of them, although I've started a few others. ("O Pioneers" is good, btw.) There are times I tell myself that I need to just finish what I'm doing before I look at other things. I feel...I feel like a hoarder sometimes. And I feel like my attention span is shortening because
damn! there is so much to see and do! What shall I do first?!? I have to look at everything!
And then I have to sit in a quiet room and knit to clear my head.
Quote from: "the_antithesis"Having access to a large cache of media means you won't bother using any of it. Why? I'm not sure. Part of it is being spoiled for choice. Part of it is the lack of urgency. Why watch Arrested Development when it is likely to always be there when you want it? It's not like you have to arrange your schedule around catching it when it was originally available and only then. If you missed it, you had to wait for it to rerun. No more. You don't have to be organized or determined to watch that show or play that game or read that book. Just press a button if you feel like it. The irony is that by having to only press a button means you'll never feel like it.
am i the only one that will watch a movie on TV when i have it in my collection? Even though i could put the DVD in, get the full version, no commericals i'm too lazy to do that but will watch it on AMC.
1.) You can just rent Library CDs and DVDs and burn them onto your hard drive.
2.) Some of the books I want to read cost upwards of $30 for a used copy. Fuck that, I'm using the library. I generally only buy a book if my network of Libraries doesn't have it and/or I want it real bad.
Quote from: "the_antithesis"I do love all the people here who think this is about public libraries. They so cute.
Half the posters on this site either don't fucking read anything or have very poor reading comprehension.
You either get over it or it slowly drives you insane.
Quote from: "Shiranu"Quote from: "the_antithesis"I wonder if you put every book you re-read over the course of five years into a box, how many there would be in the box.
That would be one empty box...
And I would need multiple boxes. I own a couple hundred hard-backs and probably 500 paper-backs. The ones I
haven't read twice might fill a box half-way. That's not counting the e-books, all the library books I've borrowed and all the audio-books I've listened to. A slow week means I read two books (almost exclusively e-book since Christmas) and listen to three others at work. Hell, I read so much that I have gotten "new" books only to find that I'd already read them and then forgotten I had read them. I also watch a ton of movies, many that I own. I own probably 300 titles, all of which I have seen at least twice, then there are the library checkouts and streaming. Music seems to be the only one of my three entertainment loves (books, movies and music) that has suffered in recent years. I don't buy or listen to nearly as much as I used to. Mostly just in the car, when an audio book just won't work.
I don't think large media libraries are the problem, if there is a
problem. I think it has more to do with changing priorities than anything else. I used to live life around TV (like many still do) but have lost interest (except for my Broncos on Sunday afternoons). Music used to be a staple for me. Whatever I was doing, there was something playing in the background and sometimes I will still do that but only rarely any more.
Quote from: "Smartmarzipan"Half the posters on this site either don't fucking read anything or have very poor reading comprehension.
You either get over it or it slowly drives you insane.
That's why I make short posts.
Seriously - I've not been in a library for ages. Are they still libraries? Will I even recognize one? Aren't they all computer screens now? Do they still have actual books?
I grew up and remember this:
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They're like that now except the most of the books haven't been touched in decades and people are usually just screwing around on the computers.
The library is much more than a bunch of books that one can check out. It is history saved and presserved for all people to access. Nothing defines a community like it's library. It teaches, records, protects and saves a whole society.
I use the library as much as I can. There is something there for every walk of life. Even if you don't read there are useful tools. If the libraries go away then you are left with media corporations to provide you with access to information, which by definition are subjective and untrustworthy as a reliable source of information.
I don't understand the title of this thread at all. There is nothing terriable about libraries. If you don't want to use the library then don't bother, but you have NO argument to deny anyone else the use of a library.
Quote from: "mykcob4"I don't understand the title of this thread at all.
That's because you didn't read the opening post and while that's annoying, it sort of proves my point.
Quote from: "mykcob4"If the libraries go away then you are left with media corporations to provide you with access to information, which by definition are subjective and untrustworthy as a reliable source of information.
Every bit of media in the library was created by someone, and they are only as good, reliable and trustworthy as their creators and the level of peer review the work was subjected to, just like a piece of media from another source.
A piece of media being in a library does not automatically make it good information, like every piece of media, it is a good idea to think about where your information is coming from.
This is still nothing to do with the OP, but oh well.
Quote from: "the_antithesis"So, I've been loading crappy games onto my 3DS to get some fucking use of of the thing since I haven't calmed down enough yet after I rage quit from Luigi's Mansion. Fucking thing! What I have been most interested in lately are the game & Watch games, which there are some on the Nintendo E-shop, but not a lot and not many of the good ones. They do have the first two Game & Watch Galleries for Game Boy, which are functional if annoying having to load the game and not necessarily knowing which one has the game I want to play. Besides the Galleries are a couple individual G&W games and I'm pretty fucking snotty over which ones I want. I got Mario's Cement Factory because it's a classic. I'm hemming and hawing over Manhole (that's what she said) and Donkey Kong Jr. But I really don't care for Ball, Chef Vermin, Helmet, Flagman and Judge. These were some of the earlier and therefore less sophisticated G&W games. But you know what, as a kid I might have gotten one of these games and would up playing the hell out of it because it was the only game I had. In fact, that was true of my NES and Atari and Commodore ViC-20 (stop laughing). But now, thanks to emulators and ROM sites and Good Old Games and Steam and Nintendo's eShop, I can have a ton of games, many of which are great to play, but i just never play them. I'm thinking of getting Netflix so I don't have to use my brother's entirely too much projection TV to watch a movie, but how many movies of TV shows do I watch? I used to have a fairly sizable library of DVDs that I never watched until I got rid of them and since them I acquired a few more and I never watch any of them. I never watch TV shows anymore because I can watch those shows whenever I want. I used to have a schedule that revolved around TV so I can watch the shows I wanted. But I don't do that anymore.
This has got me thinking that having a large library where you can access media any time you want may be a bad idea since, for the most part, people simply won't do it. Why sit down and watch 24 when you can watch it any old time you want? Why play through the two Legend of Zelda Oracle games when you can just download them and play them anytime? How many hear checked books out of their school library growing up? How many of you have checked out a book since graduation? I haven't used a public library in years and not just because I don't read that much anymore. I own books that I never read.
Having access to a large cache of media means you won't bother using any of it. Why? I'm not sure. Part of it is being spoiled for choice. Part of it is the lack of urgency. Why watch Arrested Development when it is likely to always be there when you want it? It's not like you have to arrange your schedule around catching it when it was originally available and only then. If you missed it, you had to wait for it to rerun. No more. You don't have to be organized or determined to watch that show or play that game or read that book. Just press a button if you feel like it. The irony is that by having to only press a button means you'll never feel like it.
Been wanting to say for a couple of days that That ^ statement is certainly true. Weird huh?
I dunno - I think Libraries became somewhat obsolete once the internet arrived. First it was personal computers - but not every household had one. Then there was the effort to wait for large amounts of information to upload. Now? Now people can access anything on their phone for pete's sake. I guess I still like knowing libraries are still around - that books still exist. What if the entire internet crashed and kids still needed to look up information and write papers?
Personally, I think we will always need books and I still enjoy a book in my hands. I have a tablet for Kindle - but I still buy books too- especially reference books. My personal library is pretty extensive --- a hobby since the 70s.
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Been wanting to say for a couple of days that That ^ statement is certainly true. Weird huh?
I dunno - I think Libraries became somewhat obsolete once the internet arrived. First it was personal computers - but not every household had one. Then there was the effort to wait for large amounts of information to upload. Now? Now people can access anything on their phone for pete's sake. I guess I still like knowing libraries are still around - that books still exist. What if the entire internet crashed and kids still needed to look up information and write papers?
Personally, I think we will always need books and I still enjoy a book in my hands. I have a tablet for Kindle - but I still buy books too- especially reference books. My personal library is pretty extensive --- a hobby since the 70s.
I think that it is perhaps important to differentiate between public libraries and libraries designed to serve an educational or other specific purpose. I'd say that things like university libraries, for instance, are still not yet obsolete, as people need the library not only for access to information specific to their subjects, but also to use many other services and to have a place to work/study.
I think that public libraries still fulfill this function to an extent, as there are those who still visit them in order to have a place to work quietly, or to use their printers and scanners and classes etc. However, public libraries also perform another function, which is to give people access to media that they otherwise would not have at home. As broadband internet becomes more and more prevalent in all areas of society, the amount of media that a library can provide that people don't have instant access to at home will shrink.
It strikes me that the main point of the OP was that media is no longer some sort of "finite resource" (for lack of a better term), where people had access to it in moderation and were not exposed to information from a vast array of sources almost constantly. As soon as something becomes abundant, it stops being worth expending effort to obtain or even to use. Another interesting point raised is that people consume less media intentionally than they perhaps used to. In many ways, we consume so much media in our daily lives without trying to that we feel less of a need to seek more out in our own time. It used to be that watching television for a few hours in the evening would be your only exposure to something removed from your own immediate surroundings and environment. Now we are so bombarded with information about things from anything and everything, all the time. I don't want to know what happens to the protagonist in the last episode who was in danger, because there are a million channels, with a million protagonists in danger that ended on cliffhangers, I simply cannot care about all of the ones I could possibly be exposed to, so I care about none of them. We are exposed to so much that it is simply impossible to become emotionally invested in it all, or to care about all of it, which makes these things boring and they then do not hold nor warrant our attention.
Quote from: "SilentFutility"I think that it is perhaps important to differentiate between public libraries and libraries designed to serve an educational or other specific purpose. I'd say that things like university libraries, for instance, are still not yet obsolete, as people need the library not only for access to information specific to their subjects, but also to use many other services and to have a place to work/study.
I think that public libraries still fulfill this function to an extent, as there are those who still visit them in order to have a place to work quietly, or to use their printers and scanners and classes etc. However, public libraries also perform another function, which is to give people access to media that they otherwise would not have at home. As broadband internet becomes more and more prevalent in all areas of society, the amount of media that a library can provide that people don't have instant access to at home will shrink.
It strikes me that the main point of the OP was that media is no longer some sort of "finite resource" (for lack of a better term), where people had access to it in moderation and were not exposed to information from a vast array of sources almost constantly. As soon as something becomes abundant, it stops being worth expending effort to obtain or even to use. Another interesting point raised is that people consume less media intentionally than they perhaps used to. In many ways, we consume so much media in our daily lives without trying to that we feel less of a need to seek more out in our own time. It used to be that watching television for a few hours in the evening would be your only exposure to something removed from your own immediate surroundings and environment. Now we are so bombarded with information about things from anything and everything, all the time. I don't want to know what happens to the protagonist in the last episode who was in danger, because there are a million channels, with a million protagonists in danger that ended on cliffhangers, I simply cannot care about all of the ones I could possibly be exposed to, so I care about none of them. We are exposed to so much that it is simply impossible to become emotionally invested in it all, or to care about all of it, which makes these things boring and they then do not hold nor warrant our attention.
Good point. Good post.
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Quote from: "SilentFutility"In many ways, we consume so much media in our daily lives without trying to that we feel less of a need to seek more out in our own time. It used to be that watching television for a few hours in the evening would be your only exposure to something removed from your own immediate surroundings and environment. Now we are so bombarded with information about things from anything and everything, all the time. I don't want to know what happens to the protagonist in the last episode who was in danger, because there are a million channels, with a million protagonists in danger that ended on cliffhangers, I simply cannot care about all of the ones I could possibly be exposed to, so I care about none of them. We are exposed to so much that it is simply impossible to become emotionally invested in it all, or to care about all of it, which makes these things boring and they then do not hold nor warrant our attention.
I've never really had that reaction. I used to follow a few shows at a time. And I still do. Problem solved.
Quote from: "Hydra009"Quote from: "SilentFutility"In many ways, we consume so much media in our daily lives without trying to that we feel less of a need to seek more out in our own time. It used to be that watching television for a few hours in the evening would be your only exposure to something removed from your own immediate surroundings and environment. Now we are so bombarded with information about things from anything and everything, all the time. I don't want to know what happens to the protagonist in the last episode who was in danger, because there are a million channels, with a million protagonists in danger that ended on cliffhangers, I simply cannot care about all of the ones I could possibly be exposed to, so I care about none of them. We are exposed to so much that it is simply impossible to become emotionally invested in it all, or to care about all of it, which makes these things boring and they then do not hold nor warrant our attention.
I've never really had that reaction. I used to follow a few shows at a time. And I still do. Problem solved.
Perhaps I've become cynical and apathetic and just don't enjoy things like that much anymore because of that then.
Quote from: "Smartmarzipan"Quote from: "the_antithesis"I do love all the people here who think this is about public libraries. They so cute.
Half the posters on this site either don't fucking read anything or have very poor reading comprehension.
You either get over it or it slowly drives you insane.
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Quote from: "the_antithesis"I do love all the people here who think this is about public libraries. They so cute.
or
maybe you just helped some of us
think of public libraries........... not really a crime.
And not really a bad discussion either.
Didn't mean to derail your thread. Sorry.
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "the_antithesis"I do love all the people here who think this is about public libraries. They so cute.
or
maybe you just helped some of us think of public libraries........... not really a crime.
And not really a bad discussion either.
Didn't mean to derail your thread. Sorry.
Well, public libraries are part of it. People don't use them which is why you keep hearing about public libraries that need to be saved or holding a bake sale to keep their doors open. But I was also talking about
private libraries as in that collection of media you have sitting on a shelf in your house that you own but rarely, if ever, watch.
Lately I've been on an anti-physical kick, despite owning a bunch, and thinking how much better it would be if I could just stream all my movies and shows. But then, I was looking through the free movies on Youtube and Crackle and I didn't watch anything. I would occasionally see something and think "I outta watch that one." But I would keep scrolling and then forget about it.
Similar thing happened on my 3DS as I scroll through the eShop looking for something to buy. There are a couple things. But I don't put my money down, the eShop uses money. I may mentally note that something looks decent, but I forget about it. And it's not like the eShop is especially huge. If it had all NES, Game Boy games ever made, then maybe. But it doesn't. It's a very limited selection and I'm still flummoxed by choice. And I still bought a game I'm not happy with and will likely never play again.
One thing I've learned in life is I am not unique. Other people must have this same problem. But I can't put my finger on a solution. I want to be able to watch what I want when I want, but having this just means I never watch any of it. Is it just me and I'm old now or am I onto a peculiar facet of human behavior and digital streaming systems need to take advantage of it to be worthwhile.
I don't know. I still think the real problem is that you have nothing that's good enough to watch it now, which sounds to me like you just need to go look for stuff that is worth watching now.
I used my public library a couple months ago. Was able to rent some books for research on William Carlos Williams that I would've had to buy otherwise.
Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"Quote from: "Smartmarzipan"Quote from: "the_antithesis"I do love all the people here who think this is about public libraries. They so cute.
Half the posters on this site either don't fucking read anything or have very poor reading comprehension.
You either get over it or it slowly drives you insane.
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I watched this gif while listening to metal and it was the best thing ever. Also, I accidentally edited your original post instead of quoting it (they shouldn't put those buttons next to each other), but it's back to normal now.
I just wanted to say I was highly amused. Goddamn.
Quote from: "Plu"I don't know. I still think the real problem is that you have nothing that's good enough to watch it now, which sounds to me like you just need to go look for stuff that is worth watching now.
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Well, yes. Which leaves you with three options:
- Invest the time to figure what stuff is worth it and ignore all the junk, which will probably give you about a 50/50 ratio of searching (which can be fun in and of itself) and watching (will clearly be fun)
- Watch the junk that is thrown in front of you, which will probably be about a 90/10 ratio of watching horrible junk and watching slightly less horrible junk, with the added advantage of telling the media company that their junk is still not so bad that you'll stop watching
- Drop the medium altogether, which is a great choice if most of it's bunk and you can't be bothered to go looking. You don't have to watch tv or read books, or whatever it is, you know.
Quote from: "Plu"Well, yes. Which leaves you with three options:
- Invest the time to figure what stuff is worth it and ignore all the junk, which will probably give you about a 50/50 ratio of searching (which can be fun in and of itself) and watching (will clearly be fun)
Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner. And it's not even really all that hard given that really good shows tend to have immense followings. (Though there are a few diamonds in the rough that never got popular, but are still quite good) Hell, we have quite a few threads where we gush about our favorite TV shows *coughGameofThronescough* Word of mouth alone will generally steer you in the right direction, assuming you like the genre of course.
Quote from: "Plu"Well, yes. Which leaves you with three options:
I'm not looking for solutions. I'm just making an observation.
Well forgive me for trying to help you with something that is obviously bothering you and fairly easily resolved, then :-?
Feel free to continue being annoyed with this whole thing for no good reason, or something.
He's looking for empathy, not solutions. :P
Quote from: "the_antithesis"Quote from: "Plu"Well, yes. Which leaves you with three options:
I'm not looking for solutions. I'm just making an observation.
That's good because I certainly have No solutions. lol :lol:
Same shit, different medium
Quote from: "the_antithesis"Having access to a large cache of media means you won't bother using any of it.
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The ultimate goal of mankind is an intergalactic union of global nations, and still no planet to visit.
Quote from: "Hydra009"He's looking for empathy, not solutions. :P
Meh. I don't do empathy for fixable problems.