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Title: Space travel using Quantum Tethering
Post by: Mai Mariarti on July 08, 2013, 12:52:26 PM
When I was an 11 year old boy back in 1971, and living in Tehran across from the Marble palace of the Shah, (I remember it well, it was a couple of weeks before the Shah was shot in the cheek in an attempt to kill him), I was sleeping outside in a beautiful clear summer night gazing at the stars and day dreaming, when I saw what appeared to be a shooting star. When all of a sudden, the damn thing stopped in an instant and hovered. It was about a quarter of the size of a full moon.
I freaked out and yelled for my dad to come and see. In about a minutes, the whole family was outside looking at the thing. It was beautiful. It changed colors and totally silent.
In a couple of minutes, and after some really weird zig-zag maneuvers, it just took off, straight up and disappeared! Now a days, these are common descriptions of UFOs.
Everyone was scratching their heads and wondering what the heck that was. I had so many questions after that night.
How come this thing didn't make any sound?
Why were the occupants not liquified in those acceleration and decelerations?
What technology was this that allowed this kind of maneuvers? I loved jets, specially the Phantom but this thing was not even close to what I expected. When I asked my father (a surgeon, I noticed the look of dismay on his face. He told me he had no idea what that thing was).
Of course I said nothing about this to my friends at school as I was scared of being ridiculed and  laughed at.
Secretly however, I read every book and magazine on this subject. I loved the "Chariots of Gods" and must have read it a dozen times.
As time went by, I had more questions than answers.
Why would they be here?
Why are they performing experiments on people and animals?
Are these people an ancient but advanced humans or aliens from another world?
Are they dolphins that didn't go back to the ocean so many millions of years ago?
Even if they could travel at the speed of light, How can they avoid being hit my micro-meteoroids or floating rocks and small stuff?
What would be the point? Even if time stopped for them, but it took them thousands of years to get here, by the time they went back to report their findings, everyone they knew would be dead?
How long do these beings live?
Do they age at all or have found a way to stay young forever?
After 42 years of thinking, researching this subject and pondering, I am not sure of their origin or motives, but I am sure they are using some sort of field that generates a quantum tethering for travel through electron-smashing.
That would explain the lack of harmful radiation associated with nuclear smashing and the electromagnetic interference it generates that disrupts electrical and electronic circuits.
How they generate this field or fields, I don't know, but one thing is for sure. They are moving across galaxy instantly without feeling any momentum from a mass and it will take them eons to travel at the speed of light.
I would guesstimate, they are a million years (give or take a few hundred thousand years) ahead of us, but if they are the genetic engineers of life on earth, who made them? Or did they have the technology to create a universe to be able to study it and all that goes on in it?
If so, how much more knowledge are they looking for? Is knowledge like greed? The more you have, the more you want?
In 1978, while going to college in Dallas, I went to see a UFO exhibition. Among very interesting documents, I saw a copy of a letter from then president Jimmy Carter asking for more information on UFOs from the military. Apparently he saw one too. Although that was interesting, the jewel of the exhibition in IMHO, was a picture of a UFO taken by a Swedish robot designed to take pictures of electromagnetic disturbances in the atmosphere. This UFO craft was about 50-100 feet away, about 20-30 feet in diameter  and it was just gorgeous. I had seen the exact model (not the same picture) in another picture published in the Omni magazine (now out of business). It was a perfect double saucer with 6 tinted black windows on the top part with what appeared to be a black band separating the top and bottom half. The background landscape underneath the craft was somewhat distorted as an image would be under rising heat of a desert. The underneath was partially mat black (fuzzy) in the center but the craft was golden metallic with no seams whatsoever. perfectly smooth and you could see the sun's reflection on the left side. Those two event will live in my memory until I die or suffer from Alzheimer!
 
Questions, questions and so few answers. I thought I share my experience with you and see if any of you could further my quest at the risk of ridicule or smart-ass remarks.
Title: Re: Space travel using Quantum Tethering
Post by: Solitary on July 08, 2013, 01:12:10 PM
For over two years I was a firm believer in the ancient astronaut theory. I even conducted my own research into the phenomenon. At first, my investigation only enhanced my beliefs. But after a few months I had come upon startling evidence that Erich von Daniken is an absolute fraud. I had been duped! Years of my life have been wasted on this nonsense. My great disappointment and my anger has compelled me to warn others not to make the same mistake. I have come across many websites which expose this fraud and others like him. Check out the links below:

 http://skepdic.com/vondanik.html (http://skepdic.com/vondanik.html)

 http://www.abc.net.au/science/correx/archives/lies.htm (http://www.abc.net.au/science/correx/archives/lies.htm)

 http://www.debunker.com/texts/vondanik.html (http://www.debunker.com/texts/vondanik.html)

 Check out my Yahoo Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/erichvondaniken (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/erichvondaniken)

This guy has been in prison for fraud. He asks question that have been answered by science and common sense. Examples: "Why is there no soot on the ceilings of the pyramids since they had no lights and had to use torches to see when painting on the walls?" Easy answer: They had polished mirrors to direct the sunlight from outside to see. "How could they lift such heavy stones without any machines to do it?" Two answers: They had levers, a simple machine, and thousands of workers to move them. "How can they have paintings of flying machines and people with what look like space suits on?" There are many natural phenomena that look like UFO's and there gods would have halos that look like space helmets, also the model planes they made were of birds.  Solitary
Title: Re: Space travel using Quantum Tethering
Post by: LikelyToBreak on July 08, 2013, 01:31:22 PM
While I consider myself a skeptic, I have been told by people I respect that they have seen odd unexplained objects in the sky.  And some of the evidence which has been reported, seems to indicate some very reliable witnesses have seen UFO's.

I don't know what they are.  But, I think we might be jumping the gun a bit to suggest they are visitors from another planet.  That would be like saying, "See a banana, therefore Jesus is real and unless you say the magic words, your going to hell."

That something is happening, I'm pretty sure of.  I think there are too many witnesses to say there isn't.  Even after we throw out the obvious explanations.  The government may very well being hiding something about these, even if it is just that they don't know what they are.  That being said, I don't know what I can do about it, one way or the other.  I can't command the objects to display themselves so that we know exactly what they are.  Nor can I get the government to be honest with the people either.
My best guess is that they are some kind of mirage highly distorted to look circular or triangular.  They could be some type of atmospheric affect, which we have yet to figure out.  Keep in mind, scientists for decades denied there was a green flash sometimes when the sun set, simply because they had never seen it.


While I don't think the people seeing these objects are crazy or delusional, I don't think we should become obsessed with them either.  After all, what could we do if they were extraterrestrials?   :-k
Title: Re: Space travel using Quantum Tethering
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on July 08, 2013, 01:56:40 PM
In an age where UFOs can be later identified as stealth fighters, birds, or the planet Venus, I feel confident in saying that there is no reason to think any of them are sent here by space aliens or supernatural in nature.
Title: Re: Space travel using Quantum Tethering
Post by: Mai Mariarti on July 08, 2013, 05:28:05 PM
Quote from: "Solitary"For over two years I was a firm believer in the ancient astronaut theory. I even conducted my own research into the phenomenon. At first, my investigation only enhanced my beliefs. But after a few months I had come upon startling evidence that Erich von Daniken is an absolute fraud. I had been duped! Years of my life have been wasted on this nonsense. My great disappointment and my anger has compelled me to warn others not to make the same mistake. I have come across many websites which expose this fraud and others like him. Check out the links below:

 http://skepdic.com/vondanik.html (http://skepdic.com/vondanik.html)

 http://www.abc.net.au/science/correx/archives/lies.htm (http://www.abc.net.au/science/correx/archives/lies.htm)

 http://www.debunker.com/texts/vondanik.html (http://www.debunker.com/texts/vondanik.html)

 Check out my Yahoo Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/erichvondaniken (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/erichvondaniken)
This guy has been in prison for fraud. He asks question that have been answered by science and common sense. Examples: "Why is there no soot on the ceilings of the pyramids since they had no lights and had to use torches to see when painting on the walls?" Easy answer: They had polished mirrors to direct the sunlight from outside to see. "How could they lift such heavy stones without any machines to do it?" Two answers: They had levers, a simple machine, and thousands of workers to move them. "How can they have paintings of flying machines and people with what look like space suits on?" There are many natural phenomena that look like UFO's and there gods would have halos that look like space helmets, also the model planes they made were of birds.  Solitary

I am not sure what to say about this guy. I only liked some of his explanations in his book and movie. He could very well be a fraud like you say. But I know what I saw and I wish I could dismiss it as some freak of nature yet to be understood. I am just looking for some sort of logical explanation.
I know the military thing is out of the question. If we had that kind of technology, it would've leaked out by now.
I think the truth is so weird that the Governments of the world would rather see this phenomenon just go away.
If there was a trial on a 1st degree murder, I am sure the thousands of credible witnesses would insure a conviction, but since it's a UFO case, well never mind.
Title: Re: Space travel using Quantum Tethering
Post by: Mai Mariarti on July 08, 2013, 05:32:18 PM
Quote from: "LikelyToBreak"While I consider myself a skeptic, I have been told by people I respect that they have seen odd unexplained objects in the sky.  And some of the evidence which has been reported, seems to indicate some very reliable witnesses have seen UFO's.

I don't know what they are.  But, I think we might be jumping the gun a bit to suggest they are visitors from another planet.  That would be like saying, "See a banana, therefore Jesus is real and unless you say the magic words, your going to hell."

That something is happening, I'm pretty sure of.  I think there are too many witnesses to say there isn't.  Even after we throw out the obvious explanations.  The government may very well being hiding something about these, even if it is just that they don't know what they are.  That being said, I don't know what I can do about it, one way or the other.  I can't command the objects to display themselves so that we know exactly what they are.  Nor can I get the government to be honest with the people either.
My best guess is that they are some kind of mirage highly distorted to look circular or triangular.  They could be some type of atmospheric affect, which we have yet to figure out.  Keep in mind, scientists for decades denied there was a green flash sometimes when the sun set, simply because they had never seen it.


While I don't think the people seeing these objects are crazy or delusional, I don't think we should become obsessed with them either.  After all, what could we do if they were extraterrestrials?   :-k
I don't what they are either but I am certain they are not an atmospheric phenomenon. Nothing I've seen since has come even close to it.
As I said, more questions than answers.
What can we do about it? Nothing I suppose but curiosity has no real explanation or practical applications sometimes.
Title: Re: Space travel using Quantum Tethering
Post by: Mai Mariarti on July 08, 2013, 05:34:37 PM
Quote from: "Hijiri Byakuren"In an age where UFOs can be later identified as stealth fighters, birds, or the planet Venus, I feel confident in saying that there is no reason to think any of them are sent here by space aliens or supernatural in nature.
Yes but stealth fighters can stop in mid air, do zigzag maneuvers and display colors and vanish in a blink of an eye without making a sound. Not today and certainly not in 1971.
Title: Re: Space travel using Quantum Tethering
Post by: Mai Mariarti on July 08, 2013, 05:45:37 PM
Quote from: "Solitary"For over two years I was a firm believer in the ancient astronaut theory. I even conducted my own research into the phenomenon. At first, my investigation only enhanced my beliefs. But after a few months I had come upon startling evidence that Erich von Daniken is an absolute fraud. I had been duped! Years of my life have been wasted on this nonsense. My great disappointment and my anger has compelled me to warn others not to make the same mistake. I have come across many websites which expose this fraud and others like him. Check out the links below:

 http://skepdic.com/vondanik.html (http://skepdic.com/vondanik.html)

 http://www.abc.net.au/science/correx/archives/lies.htm (http://www.abc.net.au/science/correx/archives/lies.htm)

 http://www.debunker.com/texts/vondanik.html (http://www.debunker.com/texts/vondanik.html)

 Check out my Yahoo Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/erichvondaniken (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/erichvondaniken)

This guy has been in prison for fraud. He asks question that have been answered by science and common sense. Examples: "Why is there no soot on the ceilings of the pyramids since they had no lights and had to use torches to see when painting on the walls?" Easy answer: They had polished mirrors to direct the sunlight from outside to see. "How could they lift such heavy stones without any machines to do it?" Two answers: They had levers, a simple machine, and thousands of workers to move them. "How can they have paintings of flying machines and people with what look like space suits on?" There are many natural phenomena that look like UFO's and there gods would have halos that look like space helmets, also the model planes they made were of birds.  Solitary
Don't worry about lost time. I spend hundreds of dollars and a few thousand man hours trying to replicate an Adams motor, Bedini motor generator to no avail. I did learn a lot about them and became a sort of expert in them. I don't regret it at all. I did learn stuff that no book could ever teach me and I did see some incredible results although not related to free energy. In one experiment, all my instruments; 2 Oscilloscopes, 3 computers and everything electronic burnt out. even a computer across the lab that was not even turned on or plugged it was gone!
There are a lot of things we don't know yet. That is actually good news to me.
Title: Re: Space travel using Quantum Tethering
Post by: Solitary on July 08, 2013, 06:03:01 PM
I know for a fact what some UFO's were. First we should remember by definition they are unidentified flying objects. Believe me the government can keep a lot of top secret stuff secret by playing up UFO's.

In 1960 I saw a Warthog aircraft, and U2 Spy Plane that wasn't known about until years later. And hanger 18 held a Stealth fighter plane that looked identical to reports of UFO's at the time when looking straight at it or in the sky. It wasn't even known about until 30 years later after it was built by the general public.

There was a UFO case reported by a man flying in a small private plane that swore he saw a UFO dive bomb toward him. As soon as he landed he was told by the military he didn't see anything but a UFO, and that was how it was reported.

What it was an unarmed atomic bomb that accidently fell out of a B52 bomber. I believe this happened in Missouri. And the story about UFO's and aliens crashing was actually weather balloons, and an air force pilot that crashed in an experimental plane and burned up. He did look like an alien in his high altitude space suit.

If UFO's were really alien aircraft it would be common knowledge by now. It is only by people that have no idea what they saw. I can assure you that our government and others would have known by now because of security issues. On a side note, I'm trying to figure out what that beeping sound is in my head is. Did you know our government actually did build flying saucers? Whew! It's our new washer. Solitary
Title: Re: Space travel using Quantum Tethering
Post by: Brian37 on July 08, 2013, 06:14:33 PM
The entire UFO crap started as the military base in the American desert known as AREA 51.

We have NOT been visited by little green men.
Title: Re: Space travel using Quantum Tethering
Post by: Mai Mariarti on July 08, 2013, 06:23:32 PM
I hear you loud and clear. At the same time, I can't dismiss hundreds of testimonies from former pilots and military colonels and generals who swear these crafts are not ours. Hey if I hadn't seen what I did, I would've brushed it off as some phenomenon.
It's ok to be skeptical. That's a healthy mind at work.
Title: Re: Space travel using Quantum Tethering
Post by: Mai Mariarti on July 08, 2013, 06:25:29 PM
Quote from: "Brian37"The entire UFO crap started as the military base in the American desert known as AREA 51.

We have NOT been visited by little green men.
Actually they seem to be gray little men.
Title: Re: Space travel using Quantum Tethering
Post by: Solitary on July 08, 2013, 06:28:18 PM
Quote from: "Mai Mariarti"When I was an 11 year old boy back in 1971, and living in Tehran across from the Marble palace of the Shah, (I remember it well, it was a couple of weeks before the Shah was shot in the cheek in an attempt to kill him), I was sleeping outside in a beautiful clear summer night gazing at the stars and day dreaming, when I saw what appeared to be a shooting star. When all of a sudden, the damn thing stopped in an instant and hovered. It was about a quarter of the size of a full moon.
I freaked out and yelled for my dad to come and see. In about a minutes, the whole family was outside looking at the thing. It was beautiful. It changed colors and totally silent.
In a couple of minutes, and after some really weird zig-zag maneuvers, it just took off, straight up and disappeared! Now a days, these are common descriptions of UFOs.
Everyone was scratching their heads and wondering what the heck that was. I had so many questions after that night.
How come this thing didn't make any sound?
Why were the occupants not liquified in those acceleration and decelerations?
What technology was this that allowed this kind of maneuvers? I loved jets, specially the Phantom but this thing was not even close to what I expected. When I asked my father (a surgeon, I noticed the look of dismay on his face. He told me he had no idea what that thing was).
Of course I said nothing about this to my friends at school as I was scared of being ridiculed and  laughed at.
Secretly however, I read every book and magazine on this subject. I loved the "Chariots of Gods" and must have read it a dozen times.
As time went by, I had more questions than answers.
Why would they be here?
Why are they performing experiments on people and animals?
Are these people an ancient but advanced humans or aliens from another world?
Are they dolphins that didn't go back to the ocean so many millions of years ago?
Even if they could travel at the speed of light, How can they avoid being hit my micro-meteoroids or floating rocks and small stuff?
What would be the point? Even if time stopped for them, but it took them thousands of years to get here, by the time they went back to report their findings, everyone they knew would be dead?
How long do these beings live?
Do they age at all or have found a way to stay young forever?
After 42 years of thinking, researching this subject and pondering, I am not sure of their origin or motives, but I am sure they are using some sort of field that generates a quantum tethering for travel through electron-smashing.
That would explain the lack of harmful radiation associated with nuclear smashing and the electromagnetic interference it generates that disrupts electrical and electronic circuits.
How they generate this field or fields, I don't know, but one thing is for sure. They are moving across galaxy instantly without feeling any momentum from a mass and it will take them eons to travel at the speed of light.
I would guesstimate, they are a million years (give or take a few hundred thousand years) ahead of us, but if they are the genetic engineers of life on earth, who made them? Or did they have the technology to create a universe to be able to study it and all that goes on in it?
If so, how much more knowledge are they looking for? Is knowledge like greed? The more you have, the more you want?
In 1978, while going to college in Dallas, I went to see a UFO exhibition. Among very interesting documents, I saw a copy of a letter from then president Jimmy Carter asking for more information on UFOs from the military. Apparently he saw one too. Although that was interesting, the jewel of the exhibition in IMHO, was a picture of a UFO taken by a Swedish robot designed to take pictures of electromagnetic disturbances in the atmosphere. This UFO craft was about 50-100 feet away, about 20-30 feet in diameter  and it was just gorgeous. I had seen the exact model (not the same picture) in another picture published in the Omni magazine (now out of business). It was a perfect double saucer with 6 tinted black windows on the top part with what appeared to be a black band separating the top and bottom half. The background landscape underneath the craft was somewhat distorted as an image would be under rising heat of a desert. The underneath was partially mat black (fuzzy) in the center but the craft was golden metallic with no seams whatsoever. perfectly smooth and you could see the sun's reflection on the left side. Those two event will live in my memory until I die or suffer from Alzheimer!
 
Questions, questions and so few answers. I thought I share my experience with you and see if any of you could further my quest at the risk of ridicule or smart-ass remarks.

You are not going to get ridiculed by me. I have seen ball lightening twice and nobody believes me. There are atmosphere events that happened that look like aircraft.  Also, a fighter plane coming toward you at supersonic speed will look like it is standing still, and if it makes a turn going supersonics it will look like it accelerated when it didn't. Also it leaves a sonic barrier that will change colors from the exhaust, and when the after burners kick in it will easily go straight up and you won't hear any sound as it drags the sound barrier with it. However you may have indeed seen an alien space ship. But I think an extraordinary event requires extraordinary evidence. I think the best UFO picture I have seen was taken by astronauts. But it could have been just space debris falling to the earth. Solitary
Title: Re: Space travel using Quantum Tethering
Post by: Mai Mariarti on July 08, 2013, 07:00:58 PM
Quote from: "Solitary"
Quote from: "Mai Mariarti"When I was an 11 year old boy back in 1971, and living in Tehran across from the Marble palace of the Shah, (I remember it well, it was a couple of weeks before the Shah was shot in the cheek in an attempt to kill him), I was sleeping outside in a beautiful clear summer night gazing at the stars and day dreaming, when I saw what appeared to be a shooting star. When all of a sudden, the damn thing stopped in an instant and hovered. It was about a quarter of the size of a full moon.
I freaked out and yelled for my dad to come and see. In about a minutes, the whole family was outside looking at the thing. It was beautiful. It changed colors and totally silent.
In a couple of minutes, and after some really weird zig-zag maneuvers, it just took off, straight up and disappeared! Now a days, these are common descriptions of UFOs.
Everyone was scratching their heads and wondering what the heck that was. I had so many questions after that night.
How come this thing didn't make any sound?
Why were the occupants not liquified in those acceleration and decelerations?
What technology was this that allowed this kind of maneuvers? I loved jets, specially the Phantom but this thing was not even close to what I expected. When I asked my father (a surgeon, I noticed the look of dismay on his face. He told me he had no idea what that thing was).
Of course I said nothing about this to my friends at school as I was scared of being ridiculed and  laughed at.
Secretly however, I read every book and magazine on this subject. I loved the "Chariots of Gods" and must have read it a dozen times.
As time went by, I had more questions than answers.
Why would they be here?
Why are they performing experiments on people and animals?
Are these people an ancient but advanced humans or aliens from another world?
Are they dolphins that didn't go back to the ocean so many millions of years ago?
Even if they could travel at the speed of light, How can they avoid being hit my micro-meteoroids or floating rocks and small stuff?
What would be the point? Even if time stopped for them, but it took them thousands of years to get here, by the time they went back to report their findings, everyone they knew would be dead?
How long do these beings live?
Do they age at all or have found a way to stay young forever?
After 42 years of thinking, researching this subject and pondering, I am not sure of their origin or motives, but I am sure they are using some sort of field that generates a quantum tethering for travel through electron-smashing.
That would explain the lack of harmful radiation associated with nuclear smashing and the electromagnetic interference it generates that disrupts electrical and electronic circuits.
How they generate this field or fields, I don't know, but one thing is for sure. They are moving across galaxy instantly without feeling any momentum from a mass and it will take them eons to travel at the speed of light.
I would guesstimate, they are a million years (give or take a few hundred thousand years) ahead of us, but if they are the genetic engineers of life on earth, who made them? Or did they have the technology to create a universe to be able to study it and all that goes on in it?
If so, how much more knowledge are they looking for? Is knowledge like greed? The more you have, the more you want?
In 1978, while going to college in Dallas, I went to see a UFO exhibition. Among very interesting documents, I saw a copy of a letter from then president Jimmy Carter asking for more information on UFOs from the military. Apparently he saw one too. Although that was interesting, the jewel of the exhibition in IMHO, was a picture of a UFO taken by a Swedish robot designed to take pictures of electromagnetic disturbances in the atmosphere. This UFO craft was about 50-100 feet away, about 20-30 feet in diameter  and it was just gorgeous. I had seen the exact model (not the same picture) in another picture published in the Omni magazine (now out of business). It was a perfect double saucer with 6 tinted black windows on the top part with what appeared to be a black band separating the top and bottom half. The background landscape underneath the craft was somewhat distorted as an image would be under rising heat of a desert. The underneath was partially mat black (fuzzy) in the center but the craft was golden metallic with no seams whatsoever. perfectly smooth and you could see the sun's reflection on the left side. Those two event will live in my memory until I die or suffer from Alzheimer!
 
Questions, questions and so few answers. I thought I share my experience with you and see if any of you could further my quest at the risk of ridicule or smart-ass remarks.

You are not going to get ridiculed by me. I have seen ball lightening twice and nobody believes me. There are atmosphere events that happened that look like aircraft.  Also, a fighter plane coming toward you at supersonic speed will look like it is standing still, and if it makes a turn going supersonics it will look like it accelerated when it didn't. Also it leaves a sonic barrier that will change colors from the exhaust, and when the after burners kick in it will easily go straight up and you won't hear any sound as it drags the sound barrier with it. However you may have indeed seen an alien space ship. But I think an extraordinary event requires extraordinary evidence. I think the best UFO picture I have seen was taken by astronauts. But it could have been just space debris falling to the earth. Solitary
I've also seen ball lightning at a Tesla coil show. It's impressive but lasted only a few seconds.
What I saw was no jet. Jets don't zigzag and cover a distance of miles in a blink of an eye. I am a pilot (private) and have never seen maneuvers like these in my lifetime.
However, I am more interested on how they do it rather than what they do.
To me, it's a fascinating subject and I don't blame anyone for being skeptical and trying to explain it away using conventional man-made stuff.
I consider myself very fortunate (by accident) to be able to witness something this unique and rare. It was like it happened yesterday instead of over 40 years ago.
Title: Re: Space travel using Quantum Tethering
Post by: Solitary on July 08, 2013, 07:22:09 PM
A Phantom jet can cover 6 miles in the blink of an eye. In fact there was a mountain in Vietnam that many pilots flew into when they were going supersonic and looked at and had spot fixation and didn't have time to do anything, or when they came out of cloud cover and saw the mountain six miles away and hit it before they could react. There have been many reports from very reliable people, like you said, that found out later they had seen Venus, or like I said, an H bomb dropped from a plane go by.

I don't doubt you saw a UFO, but I doubt is was an alien space craft and has an explanation without aliens involved. There have been millions of people that have seen ghosts or angels, or Christ and are reliable witnesses, even in groups of people, it's the same with UFO's. You could have seen the landing lights from a plane coming toward you looking like it was standing still, then turning quickly and having it reflected on clouds that made it look like it was a UFO zigzagging. I'm sure you would really want to know what it was because I do too. Solitary
Title: Re: Space travel using Quantum Tethering
Post by: Mai Mariarti on July 08, 2013, 07:34:22 PM
Quote from: "Solitary"A Phantom jet can cover 6 miles in the blink of an eye. In fact there was a mountain in Vietnam that many pilots flew into when they were going supersonic and looked at and had spot fixation and didn't have time to do anything, or when they came out of cloud cover and saw the mountain six miles away and hit it before they could react. There have been many reports from very reliable people, like you said, that found out later they had seen Venus, or like I said, an H bomb dropped from a plane go by.

I don't doubt you saw a UFO, but I doubt is was an alien space craft and has an explanation without aliens involved. There have been millions of people that have seen ghosts or angels, or Christ and are reliable witnesses, even in groups of people, it's the same with UFO's. You could have seen the landing lights from a plane coming toward you looking like it was standing still, then turning quickly and having it reflected on clouds that made it look like it was a UFO zigzagging. I'm sure you would really want to know what it was because I do too. Solitary
I learned later that in 1978, just before the revolution, 2 Phantoms were dispatched from Mehrabad airport to engage a UFO flying close to Sad Abad Palace. When they got close, they were given the green light to shoot it down but as they got closer, They lost all power and instruments and nearly crashed into the mountain. They came back with their tail between there legs and both pilots said they were on full after burner doing mach 2 and saw this bright object leaving them in the dust at around mach 10.
This thing showed up on radar long enough for the Phantoms to reach it. I don't think we had the technology to do something like that back then. do you?
I am not sure if they are aliens either but I don't dismiss it.
I am sure this incident is documented on the UFO site because I seem to recall reading about it again a few years ago.
Title: Re: Space travel using Quantum Tethering
Post by: TrueStory on July 08, 2013, 08:12:56 PM
Quote from: "Mai Mariarti"I learned later that in 1978, just before the revolution, 2 Phantoms were dispatched from Mehrabad airport to engage a UFO flying close to Sad Abad Palace. When they got close, they were given the green light to shoot it down but as they got closer, They lost all power and instruments and nearly crashed into the mountain. They came back with their tail between there legs and both pilots said they were on full after burner doing mach 2 and saw this bright object leaving them in the dust at around mach 10.
This thing showed up on radar long enough for the Phantoms to reach it. I don't think we had the technology to do something like that back then. do you?
Well the SR-71 has been flying since 1964, so technology of the phantoms was definitly not the peak in 1978 as far as speed goes.

Pilots make errors all of the time.
Title: Re: Space travel using Quantum Tethering
Post by: JI_Joe on July 29, 2013, 12:08:29 PM
I remember reading in one of the pilot magazines one time many years ago a little blurb by a commercial airline (that will remain nameless *cough UPS Cough*) that their new colors would be a brown painted fuselage and because they couldn't think of any thing better the wings would be silver bare metal. You know what happens when you are way up there above the clouds and you are shiny aluminum colored? You are invisible from many angles that's what.   Well it turns out that after a few months they decided to change the colors again. The wings are now painted. Why would they do this after just deciding what paint scheme to put on their planes?  The police chiefs from the towns around their Airport hubs complained, people started reporting a "brown cigar shaped ufo" in the skies all the time and they were afraid if any thing happened they would be wading through ufo calls instead of the Tornado, flood, fire what ever.
   people are stupid and don't know what the hell they are looking at in the sky. That is why pilot school now has a recognition guide, specifically how youre eyes could be fooled.  Nothing is more reliable than the instruments, always trust the instruments boys!!!
Title: Re: Space travel using Quantum Tethering
Post by: JI_Joe on July 29, 2013, 12:18:00 PM
Quote from: "TrueStory"
Quote from: "Mai Mariarti"I learned later that in 1978, just before the revolution, 2 Phantoms were dispatched from Mehrabad airport to engage a UFO flying close to Sad Abad Palace. When they got close, they were given the green light to shoot it down but as they got closer, They lost all power and instruments and nearly crashed into the mountain. They came back with their tail between there legs and both pilots said they were on full after burner doing mach 2 and saw this bright object leaving them in the dust at around mach 10.
This thing showed up on radar long enough for the Phantoms to reach it. I don't think we had the technology to do something like that back then. do you?
Well the SR-71 has been flying since 1964, so technology of the phantoms was definitly not the peak in 1978 as far as speed goes.

Pilots make errors all of the time.
There is a Natural Geographic Documentary on Area 51 that is on you tube. If any one here is wondering about ufo's and Roswell you need to see that piece.    Turns out the sr-71 was flying out of there for a while and many a airline pilot saw them and * surprisingly to me* would not shut up about it. Thankfully it was just *ZOMG UFO ALIENS I SEEN ALIENS!!! YUP* but one day one of the pilots was coming back from some where and didn't end up over the base like he thought he should be. So he was turning around and at this time pilots were lucky to have wrist watches that was as far as computers had come so far and the SR had some weird quirks. Well he some how ended up out of control and lost the plane even after trying to save it. Could not even call out on the radio it was all so hush hush.  He got out and on the ground safe and sound but the plane was made out of titanium and there is only one titanium mine in the world, and it is in Rushia!  So they did not want any one knowing the plane needed titanium in it so they rushed out with some GI's and combed the desert for the titanium.  They think they got most of it. but that was the start of Roswell. Some where on there they said they never thought people would react the way they do when  they hear about the *Aliens* It was a big screw up.
Title: Re: Space travel using Quantum Tethering
Post by: Colanth on July 30, 2013, 04:30:57 PM
Quote from: "JI_Joe"Nothing is more reliable than the instruments, always trust the instruments boys!!!
And when you hit a supercooled cell and your pitot tube ices up - and the instruments report that you're traveling at 0 knots ...

you'll find out, first hand, where Air France 447 went, and why.

Instruments and human intelligence?  Yes.  Instruments, and ignore your intelligence and experience?  Remind me to never fly with that pilot.  He's a disaster in the making.

Which has nothing to do with UFOs.  Remember the meaning of the first letter.  If we knew what they were they'd be IFOs, not UFOs.
Title: Re: Space travel using Quantum Tethering
Post by: Brian37 on July 31, 2013, 11:55:50 AM
Quote from: "Mai Mariarti"I hear you loud and clear. At the same time, I can't dismiss hundreds of testimonies from former pilots and military colonels and generals who swear these crafts are not ours. Hey if I hadn't seen what I did, I would've brushed it off as some phenomenon.
It's ok to be skeptical. That's a healthy mind at work.


Right, so skip the UFO bullshit. The opposite would be true if science made such a discovery, it would not be hiding it, it would be shouting it from the rooftops.

Again, all the UFO garbage was started out of the fear created by world war, the fear of the unknown. If you see something you cant explain, science says "lets try to figure it out", not "lets fill in a gap with shit people pull out of their ass".

UFO crap is conspiracy crap on par with faith healing and Ouija boards, and has nothing to do with real science and space exploration. PERIOD!

In real science as far as space is concerned we can reasonably say because of the size of the universe that life should exist elsewhere. But that does not mean the laws of physics and the atoms all over the universe can be defied. The same laws of nature are going to apply. Considering how the UFO crap got started, not in a lab, not through science, by idiots, I am not giving gullible morons anymore weight than I do for gullible people who believe in invisible friends.

It is the same bullshit I have gotten from people arguing that the transporter from Star Trek is a future possibility. The morons who claim that don't even fucking know why Roddenbery came up with that, and it had NOTHING to do with science, but BUDGET! It was nothing more than a screen whip with a control board pot slider because they didn't want to spend money on a shuttle budget which would take longer to shoot and cost more money to maintain.

Not to mention there is no fucking way to disassemble every atom in the human body down to the bolson particle, copy it or move it through a medium, and put every particle back in place on the other end.

People believe all sorts of stupid shit UFO to Gods to pantheism to new age woo, and it is still bullshit.