Sexual abuse of children happening in broad range of religious settings, report finds.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/sexual-abuse-children-happening-broad-110648938.html
"The sexual abuse of children takes place in a broad range of religious settings, with some found to have no child protection policies in place, a report has found.
Victim-blaming, an absence of discussion around sex and sexuality, abuse of power by religious leaders and discouraging external reporting are among the "shocking failures" outlined in the report from the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA)."
I have a strong feeling that this is just the tip of the iceberg. And it has been going on for centuries. For me this simply illustrates two things. Religion promotes male dominance of the society in which said religion exists--and that leads to sexual abuse of women and children. And allows males to dominate all aspects of a society, not just the religious part. Religion always leads to abuse or all kinds. Our country is living proof of that.
And the good guys suffer as well since they are often "prejudged" or taken out of context based on their maleness or deal with the aftermath of such abuse.
Not long ago (about 6 months tops), I came across a report that the Catholic Church spend 10.6 million dollars to prevent the statute of limitation from being extended for the benefit of the victims and therefore allow them the chance to go out and seek legal justice no matter how long ago the sexual abuse took place. The 10+ mil was spent by, if I remember correctly, a total of 6 dioceses from around the United States. The author related that the Autorities do not know how much of that money came from the collection plates.
Ironically, at the time I was thinking about reconfirming myself as a gesture to celebrate my 10 years anniversary of being Catholic. I converted in 2011. That was one of the things that made me back off and renounce. ...Sadly :embarrassed: :sad2: :shocked: .
Priests are sooooo creeeeepy. The composite in my mind is like this...(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/13/48/c6/1348c6d421fc0ce926a9af5b28376aea.jpg)
Quote from: Cassia on September 16, 2021, 05:32:12 PM
Priests are sooooo creeeeepy. The composite in my mind is like this...(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/13/48/c6/1348c6d421fc0ce926a9af5b28376aea.jpg)
Fairly accurate.
Quote from: Sheena on September 16, 2021, 05:18:42 PM
Not long ago (about 6 months tops), I came across a report that the Catholic Church spend 10.6 million dollars to prevent the statute of limitation from being extended for the benefit of the victims and therefore allow them the chance to go out and seek legal justice no matter how long ago the sexual abuse took place. The 10+ mil was spent by, if I remember correctly, a total of 6 dioceses from around the United States. The author related that the Autorities do not know how much of that money came from the collection plates.
Ironically, at the time I was thinking about reconfirming myself as a gesture to celebrate my 10 years anniversary of being Catholic. I converted in 2011. That was one of the things that made me back off and renounce. ...Sadly :embarrassed: :sad2: :shocked: .
I'm a former catholic too. Though I've never denounced it officially. As far as the numbers are concerned, I'm still a member of the largest church of the world.
To be honest, up until and even relatively shortly after I lost my faith in the Catholic Church (which was half a year before I could really be concidered an atheist), the amount of shit I gave a pass on, due to the indoctrinated respect for the institution, was appaling in and by itself.
I was confirmed as a Lutheran when I was 11. I just stopped going to church in high school. I don't think there is an official denouncement needed as a Lutheran, and I don't have any particular need to do it. But as to child abuse, my Baptist Grandmother scared the bejabbers out of me when I was old enough to talk, and I had a hell of a time shaking off that crap long after I no longer believed in God. When you don't believe in God and Hell, there is no longer a reason to be afraid of Hell, right? It doesn't work that way psychologically. Intellectually, you know it to be true, but down in your subconscious, the terrors still runs amuck for a long time. Did it affect me negatively? How would I know? I was afraid of it. It was certainly not helpful in my life.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on September 17, 2021, 05:47:01 AM
I'm a former catholic too. Though I've never denounced it officially. As far as the numbers are concerned, I'm still a member of the largest church of the world.
To be honest, up until and even relatively shortly after I lost my faith in the Catholic Church (which was half a year before I could really be concidered an atheist), the amount of shit I gave a pass on, due to the indoctrinated respect for the institution, was appaling in and by itself.
I am so sorry abou that. In my case to this day, I cannot really claim I am Atheist. I still believe in the sacraments. I believe in the people, in the church. Just not the clergy although that's not fair to some priests as they are decent men, looked upon from where I stand.
And the bs about women being evil and uncapable. I personally believe that's a load of trash. I served in the military "au meme titre que les hommes". I had great reviews, my bosses respected me, etc. There are women in this country who fly F-18s and B-52 bombers. etc, etc. But to the Catholic Church: they need to get in bed and make babies. or cook, wash their men's under clothes, scrub the floor and shut up. In this day and age, that's disgusting. I have no problem with cleaning for myself and for those I love and respect. But that has to do with cleanliness being a good healthy thing to uphold, and not because the church thinks that's what my sole job is. Talking about Taliban dressed in a different outfit.
As far as what you put up with in silence, I read about it a lot. So I sincerely empathize with you.
The whole story how god has a son (who is also himself) temporarily sacrificed to save his own flawed (snake/apple) human creations from himself but only if we can believe all this without any real evidence... is just too nonsensical for me.
In the light of all the other religions claiming truth, the age and size of the universe, the actual origin of all the species, the complete lack of correlation of benefits through prayers and the non proof of anything supernatural as well as the borrowed characteristics of Jesus from other earlier gods (virgin birth, dying and rising, a passion, baptism, trip to hell etc...); I call bullshit.
Quote from: SGOS on September 17, 2021, 09:36:18 AM
I was confirmed as a Lutheran when I was 11. I just stopped going to church in high school. I don't think there is an official denouncement needed as a Lutheran, and I don't have any particular need to do it. But as to child abuse, my Baptist Grandmother scared the bejabbers out of me when I was old enough to talk, and I had a hell of a time shaking off that crap long after I no longer believed in God. When you don't believe in God and Hell, there is no longer a reason to be afraid of Hell, right? It doesn't work that way psychologically. Intellectually, you know it to be true, but down in your subconscious, the terrors still runs amuck for a long time. Did it affect me negatively? How would I know? I was afraid of it. It was certainly not helpful in my life.
According to the bible my friend there is NO Hell!!!! Yes that is not a typo. IT talks about Reincarnation (numerous hints). and reincarnation CANCELS hell.
The Catholic Church itself came out and admitted that they had to change that or add hell to scare people into obedience because they said if people think they'd have another life to get their act together, they'd kind of be lazy about taking care of business. So there! Hell has been added later Since the OT does not cover it.
Be at peace my friend, there is no hell for you or anyone out there to go to. Also, they did that because they knew it will insure the parishioners' permanent allegiance to the building/clergy and not the Entity which supposedly governs it. Verses if one has the option to reincarnate, they are put in the driver's seat as far as their spiritual growth and destiny. So the church goes back to being a mere sign post if at all.
Numerous verses quoting Jesus or Yahweh saying "do not fear", "Be not afraid", "do not fear..." Many!! But what does the church do?!?!?!I goes against that command by terrorising the very people that the presumed God entrusted it with into submission NOT to God but to it...
I remember, few years back when Ratzinger(Benedict the 16th) quit his job. I saw a documentary released at the time by HBO which they say caused him to quit. It's an explosive piece that implicates Razinger as the one who covered for bunch of mute boys being abused by this thug for years and years, as he did nothing about it him having being the head of Congregation of the doctrine of the Faith, and therefore The Key dude who investigates such scandals/ tragedies. The boys having become men at the time were getting ready to sue his filthy buttocks. And that's what got him to quit and not his supposed malady.
Anyway, in that doc i think there was a clip of this young adult lady who said one "priest" raped her at age 5!!! her father was close by btw when the scumbag did that to her. And he told her if she peeped a sound about it to anyone, her and aallll her familly will go to hell!!!!!! this is a 5 years old we're talking about here!!! The doc is titled:
Mea Maxima Culpa: Silence in the House of GodI don't know about anyone, but I believe that anyone who would terrorize a child or an adut with anythin including hell, is the devil from the pit and not a priest. Hell as well as Heaven are human concepts. One can just talk a look around, see how some and others live and decide if that is true or not.
Yeah, the old testament Jews didn't really have much of a hell or heaven; just "resting" in Sheol. The Heaven and Hell, stick and carrot concept came from the Persians who occupied Judea as the Christian sect of Judaism was being cooked up....but there are hundreds of references of the lake of fire in the NT so you got a lot of cherry picking to do if you wanna throw all that out.
https://www2.gvsu.edu/pontiusd/hell.html
Quote from: Sheena on September 17, 2021, 06:48:25 PM
According to the bible my friend there is NO Hell!!!!
Oh my! It must be true then.
Malachi 4:5-6 :
Quote"See, I will send the prophet Elijah to you before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes. He will turn the hearts of the parents to their children, and the hearts of the children to their parents; or else I will come and strike the land with total destruction."
[The last book of the OT]Matthew 17:10-13: [The first book of the NT]Quote
"The disciples asked him, “Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?†Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.†Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist."
Those are the boldest passages in the bible that document the doctrine of reincarnation. There are dozens more explicit hints here and there in the old as well as the new testament.
The doctrine of reincarnation supersedes the garbage they call hell. Jesus said no such thing as far as hell goes. They misquoted him to authicate the scam/lie. In fact he was known to have taught Reincarnation. They sanitized the bible, but they were stupid enough not to do a thourough cleaning. This is how reliable these scumbags are.
Furthermore, The OT portrays Elijah as this Mega prophet. Who is obviously destined for "heaven" after he dies, right? Yet the NT claims him to have come to earth, as John the Baptist, to do what Jesus have been quoted saying about him, but to only end up being vulgarly and cheaply beheaded so a slut could have his decapitated head to give to her mother as a trophee! Now is that what they mean by "heaven"?!?!?!?!? ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE and not to me. And if that is heaven, what is hell then?!?!?!
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Sorry that was a bit of an abrasive remark to make to a new comer. "No Hell" in the Bible has been noted before in the forum. And I thank you for pointing that out, but that has little effect on Christianity, or what Christians believe. And while the maggots of of Hell were rather hard for me to clean from the garbage can of my indoctrinated youth, it was hardly my biggest problem, which revolved around only one main issue; Is there a god? Answer that question with actual evidence, and then we can guess about what he wants or does.
OK....Please explain...what does Matthew 25:41 mean then?
Matthew 25:41
“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:â€
Really... can it be any clearer? Every christian church has it wrong? I can "sin" all I want to... worship satan, denounce jesus, be a homosexual, covet thy neighbor, blaspheme the holy spirit, piss in the holy water and still no hell, Yey that is good news ! Once again, we have the one true christian here !
...from...
https://www.bibleref.com/Matthew/25/Matthew-25-41.html
After a time on earth of great suffering and tribulation (Matthew 24:21â€"22), Jesus has finally returned as the King and the Judge (Matthew 25:31â€"32). Sitting on His throne, He has gathered people before Him and divided them into two groups, labelled as "sheep" and "goats" (Matthew 25:33) The reason for this symbolism is simply that of separating two similar-but-different sets of people. Those hearing Christ's words in person would have been familiar with shepherding; splitting up sheep and goats when bringing them in for the night was apparently a standard practice.
The group known as the "goats," on the King's left hand, have listened as Jesus has welcomed the other group, the sheep, to accept their rightful places in His kingdom on earth. He has described that group as blessed by His Father and declared that He has received every act of kindness they have done for the least of His brothers, other believers, as being done for Him personally (Matthew 25:34â€"40).
Turning to the second group, Christ delivers a very different message. He calls them cursed and banishes them to the same eternal destination as Satan and his demons. Unlike the first group, these people were clearly not believers in Jesusâ€"proven by the fact that they were not faithful to Him while He was away. Upcoming verses will explore the same dynamic as Jesus explained to saved believers: that their service to others, in obedience to Him, was proof of the legitimacy of their faith (John 13:31â€"35; 14:15; 1 John 3:11).
In the Bible, demons are angels who joined Satan in His rebellion against God. During His earthly ministry, Jesus cast many demons out of afflicted people (Mark 1:34). His description of them here shows Satan is ultimately responsible for the hordes of fallen angels who serve with him against God. They are all destined for an eternal fire (Mark 9:48), which is the same place human souls who rejected Christ will inhabit (Mark 9:43).
Quote from: SGOS on September 18, 2021, 10:48:45 AM
Sorry that was a bit of an abrasive remark to make to a new comer. "No Hell" in the Bible has been noted before in the forum. And I thank you for pointing that out, but that has little effect on Christianity, or what Christians believe. And while the maggots of of Hell were rather hard for me to clean from the garbage can of my indoctrinated youth, it was hardly my biggest problem, which revolved around only one main issue; Is there a god? Answer that question with actual evidence, and then we can guess about what he wants or does.
The (my) above post elaborates on what I mean by "no hell".
You guys/girls are very polite to the newbies. Very nice of you. Thank you sooo much.
About the existence of hell and those who claim it does. Notably the clergy. Ask yourself the following question:
Would they go on raping the little boys and girls around, stealing money and on and on if they
rreally believed that hell existed, them being "christs on earth", Pastors, "men of god" etc.?!?!?!
My personal answer is no. Then if they don't believe in its existence, then it must have been put in the book for nafarious reasons only.
As far as my 'personal relationship' with hell, I would say it never really existed from that stand point. I grew up in a Muslim household. So that household WAS my personal hell. So much so that I tried to kill myself at age 14, at first. So to the Muslim hell, and the others, my attitude was like "I am going there, ahead of you m fers. And you're welcome to follow me cowards." My athletics helped me a lot. I joined the military at age 21 I think. I did great, my bosses simply loved me. After I left, I came to the US, Converted to Protestantism, then to Catholicism. And now I consider myself more of Gnostic-Reincarnationist than anything else.
BTW, Ian Stevenson, a Canadian Psychiatrist Proved Reincarnation, USING THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD, documenting at least 2000 cases.
I have my own reincarnation experience that I will share some other time. But you will not catch me telling people "if you do not believe in my c#$p, you will go to hell!!". No chance in hell. Let people be themselves. Everybody can contribute their own way, using their own experiences.
Really? He scientifically proved reincarnation?
Must've missed all the headlines it made and all the awards he received.
Congrats Ian. That's all the evidence i need.
Breaks my heart to see how thousands of believers are drowning in Covid because they are afraid of hell. Indoctrinated since birth, they have no chance against the spew of preachers and priests, friends and family and of course the flood of facebook memes.
Quote from: Cassia on September 18, 2021, 11:14:51 AM
OK....Please explain...what does Matthew 25:41 mean then?
Matthew 25:41
“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:â€
Really... can it be any clearer? Every christian church has it wrong? I can "sin" all I want to... worship satan, denounce jesus, be a homosexual, covet thy neighbor, blaspheme the holy spirit, piss in the holy water and still no hell, Yey that is good news ! Once again, we have the one true christian here !
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"one true Christian"?!?!?! First I take that as a compliment!!! but in fact, I am a former Muslim sweet heart. I converted to main stream Christianity, then moved to Catholicsm, then now I am more of Gnostic-Rincarnationist. Do I still respect Catholicism?!?! of course I do and Unapologetically at that!! Some priests are scumbags. Let's call spade spade. But the tradition, the precepts, the arts and sculptures, The bible as marred in mud as it is. The Amazing Cathedrals and Basilicas, the literature, the Saints, the incredible paintings, the music, The fellowship with other Catholics, etc. I love it. And that's not "cherry picking".
If for example a guy works 16 hours a day, 7 days a week on one hand, but likes alcohol a little too much on the other, am I supposed to hate him for all he's got so you won't be threatened enough to accuse me of "cherry picking"?!?!?! I don't think so. I'd STILL appreciate his strength and committment in spite of how much he drinks. None are perfect on this plane. NONE.
And ask that same question to jesus himself in conjunction to the Reincarnation verses I have provided, or the ones who quoted him as saying it all Knowing full well that both cannot be true, as either one or the other stands, and In my opinion The reincarnation ones do as they clearly supersede the others. Especially since the contemporary Ian Stevensen Proved reincarnation using the scientific method, Him being a scientist! There are 1000's and 1000's of documented people who have recounted experiences of them having lived other lives b4 this one. It's very common. They went back to neighborhoods where they previously lived and found evidence that backs up their claims that they have lived there some time in the past. So go ahead and continue to be SECRETLY terrorized of going to hell .... Have fun....
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on September 18, 2021, 11:34:38 AM
Really? He scientifically proved reincarnation?
Must've missed all the headlines it made and all the awards he received.
Congrats Ian. That's all the evidence i need.
you need the "headlines"?!? and "awards"?!?! in the age of internet?!?!? you need to get out more. Do you know how to type?!?!?
Furthermore, for a group of people who jumps at every occasion to accuse those who have a different belief system than them of "cherry picking". Boy do you cherry pickðŸ'ðŸ'ðŸ'ðŸ'!!! Congrats. The so called "scientific" community completely ignored his work because it does not fit their dogmatic agenda. Just like what is happening now. Anybody who dares to say there is another solution than the bioweapon falsely termed as "covid vaccine", they accuse them of spreading "misinformation" and come after them with mechetes.
...Some credibility...
Quote from: Cassia on September 18, 2021, 12:12:09 PM
Breaks my heart to see how thousands of believers are drowning in Covid because they are afraid of hell. Indoctrinated since birth, they have no chance against the spew of preachers and priests, friends and family and of course the flood of facebook memes.
You mean they are drowning in all kinds of grave medical problems and death as result of the bioweapon they were told is a vaccine?!?!? who said that to them? One of the scientific community arms known as Big Pharma, CDC, FDA, etc. Hello....
You know what I would suggest? take care of your loads and let them worry about theirs. I am personally not taking any death shot. I don't have phakbook account either. ...You're dealing with a different breed here, sweety.
Quote from: Sheena on September 19, 2021, 06:33:59 PM
you need the "headlines"?!? and "awards"?!?! in the age of internet?!?!? you need to get out more. Do you know how to type?!?!?
Furthermore, for a group of people who jumps at every occasion to accuse those who have a different belief system than them of "cherry picking". Boy do you cherry pickðŸ'ðŸ'ðŸ'ðŸ'!!! Congrats. The so called "scientific" community completely ignored his work because it does not fit their dogmatic agenda. Just like what is happening now. Anybody who dares to say there is another solution than the bioweapon falsely termed as "covid vaccine", they accuse them of spreading "misinformation" and come after them with mechetes.
...Some credibility...
You are an antivaxer?
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on September 19, 2021, 07:12:10 PM
You are an antivaxer?
And a cherry picker. Can't answer a simple question. Maybe come back as a cow after 20 days on a vent. I'd stay away from Texas. BBQ.
Quote from: Sheena on September 19, 2021, 06:50:34 PM
You mean they are drowning in all kinds of grave medical problems and death as result of the bioweapon they were told is a vaccine?!?!?
You know there are dozens of different covid vaccines, right? (Quite the coordinated effort by countries that normally can't agree on anything, sounds legit lol)
As for the assertion that they cause grave medical problems, that's a pretty serious accusation. I'd love to see a peer-reviewed source for that. And no, Nikki Minaj doesn't count as a credible source.
Quote from: Sheena on September 19, 2021, 06:33:59 PM
The so called "scientific" community completely ignored his work because it does not fit their dogmatic agenda. Just like what is happening now. Anybody who dares to say there is another solution than the bioweapon falsely termed as "covid vaccine", they accuse them of spreading "misinformation" and come after them with mechetes.
...Some credibility...
This is the 'dogma' scientists use: " The Scientific Process. ï,§ The scientific process is a method for experimentation that is used to explore observations , answer questions, and solve problems. Scientists use the scientific process to search for cause and effect relationships in nature. " There is no 'agenda'. What is searched for and tested for are facts. Facts that can be verified.
This is dogma: "1a : something held as an established opinion especially : a definite authoritative tenet. b : a code of such tenets pedagogical dogma. c : a point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative without adequate grounds." This is your bailiwick--a lack of adequate grounds to think something and no way or desire to test your 'beliefs'. The religious (that's you, I guess) are dogmatic--scientists are not. And if a scientist become dogmatic, his/her peers soon call him/her on his dogmatic pronouncements. Nothing is written in stone for a scientist and everything is written in stone for the religious.
So, can you enlighten me about the falseness of the covid vaccine? No?--didn't think so, since your universe is driven by dogma, beliefs and faith, which are all ignorant of and have no desire to find out facts.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on September 19, 2021, 07:12:10 PM
You are an antivaxer?
I am anti-death. And I take it based on the above, you are pro-death. I vaxxed throughout my life. Based on what I read and I read in a day more than you do in a week or more. The covid garbage is a gene therapy, a bioweapon, but you are more than welcome to take the first shot, the second, the third and not mention the boosters. They'll do you some reaaal good. Good luck.
Quote from: Sheena on September 20, 2021, 06:46:55 PM
I am anti-death. And I take it based on the above, you are pro-death. I vaxxed throughout my life. Based on what I read and I read in a day more than you do in a week or more. The covid garbage is a gene therapy, a bioweapon, but you are more than welcome to take the first shot, the second, the third and not mention the boosters. They'll do you some reaaal good. Good luck.
Being anti-death or pro-death is meaningless. We will all die--period. I will agree with you that covid is garbage, especially since people like you are bringing death (kind of ironic, isn't it??) to thousands who would not be dead now. But then, you will go to heaven and live forever--right? If that is so, why are you hanging around this struggling planet? Can you show me some scientific research to demonstrate that the covid vaccine is 'garbage'? Oh, how silly of me--of course you can't for people like you science does not exist; just the bible and all the info (the real garbage) the religious hierarchy tells you. Besides, why worry about unimportant stuff like this--it's all just god's plan.
Quote from: Sheena on September 20, 2021, 06:46:55 PM
I am anti-death. And I take it based on the above, you are pro-death. I vaxxed throughout my life. Based on what I read and I read in a day more than you do in a week or more. The covid garbage is a gene therapy, a bioweapon, but you are more than welcome to take the first shot, the second, the third and not mention the boosters. They'll do you some reaaal good. Good luck.
You've probably caused more death and suffering in the last year and a half than you ever did in the military though.
See, I can make assumptions about my conversational partner too. Whoopty fucking doo.
Though i do stand by it, actually. People like you or my gf's uncle who try their damnedest to spread their ignorance and misinformation to the larger public and who convince people into not getting the shot or get them to doubt it and slow the progress down, have blood on their hands.
Quote from: Cassia on September 19, 2021, 07:51:28 PM
And a cherry picker. Can't answer a simple question. Maybe come back as a cow after 20 days on a vent. I'd stay away from Texas. BBQ.
You have no answer to the following post, your head is as empty as an industrial cooking pot, so you cowardly resort to cheap insults and ad hominem in compensation hoping I won't notice.
As far the doctrine of reincarnation that Dr Ian Stevenson PROVED using the scientific method, how about you do some BASIC research b4 you open your useless trap?! And you accuse me of not answering your question?!?!? Shame on you. Like I said, continue to SECRETLY be terrorized of hell that does not exist. Have fun and you're on ignore. What did Martin Luther king say about consciencious stupidity?!?!?!
...something along the lines of :
“Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.â€
And here's the post you have nothin to say to but utter bs if at all:
Quote from: Sheena on September 18, 2021, 10:47:21 AM
Malachi 4:5-6 : [The last book of the OT]
Matthew 17:10-13: [The first book of the NT]Those are the boldest passages in the bible that document the doctrine of reincarnation. There are dozens more explicit hints here and there in the old as well as the new testament.
The doctrine of reincarnation supersedes the garbage they call hell. Jesus said no such thing as far as hell goes. They misquoted him to authicate the scam/lie. In fact he was known to have taught Reincarnation. They sanitized the bible, but they were stupid enough not to do a thourough cleaning. This is how reliable these scumbags are.
Furthermore, The OT portrays Elijah as this Mega prophet. Who is obviously destined for "heaven" after he dies, right? Yet the NT claims him to have come to earth, as John the Baptist, to do what Jesus have been quoted saying about him, but to only end up being vulgarly and cheaply beheaded so a slut could have his decapitated head to give to her mother as a trophee! Now is that what they mean by "heaven"?!?!?!?!? ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE and not to me. And if that is heaven, what is hell then?!?!?!
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speaking of "cows", I'd say what a hopeless cow you proved to be. Byye :bigbye:
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 20, 2021, 02:13:11 PM
You know there are dozens of different covid vaccines, right? (Quite the coordinated effort by countries that normally can't agree on anything, sounds legit lol)
As for the assertion that they cause grave medical problems, that's a pretty serious accusation. I'd love to see a peer-reviewed source for that. And no, Nikki Minaj doesn't count as a credible source.
I don't accuse lady, Go to the VAERS and see for yourself, it has only less that 10% of the so called "vaccine" casualties. That means the other 90% is missing this bs shot being experimental. ....Oooor let me think :headscratch: , You don't know what VAERS is?!?!? Mr. Google can help you.
The Tramp aka Trump originally commissioned 6 Big Pharma Thugs to make that garbage by paying them 6 billion dollars. So I don't live in the world. I live in the USA. And they are not "vaccines". Who the phak is nikki caboosh? You people need to get out more.
I don't have a twitter account either :rrotflmao: :rockout: :high5:.
So, Sheena, you suggest that Matthew is the first book of the NT. Actually, it has been shown that of the synoptics, Mark is the first. But if one goes by chronology by date, all of Paul's actual writing comes first.
Btw, which bible are you referring to?
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on September 20, 2021, 07:00:35 PM
You've probably caused more death and suffering in the last year and a half than you ever did in the military though.
See, I can make assumptions about my conversational partner too. Whoopty fucking doo.
Though i do stand by it, actually. People like you or my gf's uncle who try their damnedest to spread their ignorance and misinformation to the larger public and who convince people into not getting the shot or get them to doubt it and slow the progress down, have blood on their hands.
you need to get off Fentanyl. Yo! Bad for ya...
are you one of the flies? ...ENOUGH SAID! I didn't even read your filthy garbage. So I sure smoked you folks out of your holes , huh? toxic vermin and disease.
I am healthy. I will remain healthy and throughout the phony scamdamic I remained HEALTHY. And I am not getting what you thugily refer to as "vaccine". But you're welcome to go out and OVER DOSE ON IT. I won't mind a bit.
I couldn't leave without giving U this Precious bible verse, as you need to read it since it will do you some good, satan:
"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies". -(John 8:44)-
People are being DEPOPULATED with the death shot. The Phaking spike protein is a pathogen that causes anything from blood clut, to spinal cord and brain inflamation, to heart attack, to paralysis of the limps, Balls' palsy, organ failure, contracting the Very Covid the scumbags like Fooshi the baboon say it will prevent, death, etc. etc, etc. and this is only the Genesis of the depopulation.
Goodbye. Enough toxic garbage for me.
Fact Check-VAERS data does not prove COVID-19 vaccine deaths exceeded 12,000
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaers-12000-idUSL1N2P21DB
Here you go Sheena
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 20, 2021, 07:24:07 PM
So, Sheena, you suggest that Matthew is the first book of the NT.
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I don't suggest a dung. IT IS The first book of the NT. We are talking about the Christian bible here and not the satanist one, Mike.
I am not impressed at all.
The only one I feel bad for is the Administrator who was kind enough to allow me in.
Otherwhise, Have a good Variant. I am gone.
... I came here with the intent to quit god. And I am leaving wanting to go back to church :letsparty: :rrotflmao: :grilling: :high5:.
They say The Lord works in mysterous waaays.... :jamband: :jazzband:
You are not good @ what what you're supposedly good at. NOt a bit. Instead of bringing people in, you end up acting like a powerful repellent.
Have a good "vaccine". I read the FDA pretended to prove cr*&P to trick the populace into thinking "Oh, the vaxx is 'approved', now we can vaxx" as if one can trust that demon. And they did that because they have large and laaaaarge quantities of the phony "Covid-19" "vaccine" that they want to get rid of as most people are not stupid.
I have an idea. Why don't you find a way of getting hold of that worthless stock, bring them to someone's house who has a nice size pool, dump them all in there and swim in them. Since you seem to be into that cr*p so much. I submit that you put the Cow who call others that first, as wickedly retarded as she is.
Quote from: Sheena on September 20, 2021, 07:39:21 PM
I don't suggest a dung. IT IS The first book of the NT. We are talking about the Christian bible here and not the satanist one, Mike.
I am not impressed at all.
The only one I feel bad for is the Administrator who was kind enough to allow me in.
Otherwhise, Have a good Variant. I am gone.
There is no such thing as 'The Christian Bible', except in your stunted and unused mind. YOU are not impressed? :))))) Who gives a shit. And you do accurately reflect what 'Christian' love and good will is all about--nothing but bluster and lies.
You are gone? I hope you are not spinning another lie--but christians have a hard time not telling lies. Anyway, don't let the door hit you in the butt (since that is what you apparently use for your beliefs) on the way out! You never were anything other than the typical christian full of hate, troll. Have a happy life under your bridge.
Quote from: Sheena on September 20, 2021, 08:05:14 PM
... I came here with the intent to quit god. And I am leaving wanting to go back to church :letsparty: :rrotflmao: :grilling: :high5:.
They say The Lord works in mysterous waaays.... :jamband: :jazzband:
You are not good @ what what you're supposedly good at. NOt a bit. Instead of bringing people in, you end up acting like a powerful repellent.
Have a good "vaccine". I read the FDA pretended to prove cr*&P to trick the populace into thinking "Oh, the vaxx is 'approved', now we can vaxx" as if one can trust that demon. And they did that because they have large and laaaaarge quantities of the phony "Covid-19" "vaccine" that they want to get rid of as most people are not stupid.
I have an idea. Why don't you find a way of getting hold of that worthless stock, bring them to someone's house who has a nice size pool, dump them all in there and swim in them. Since you seem to be into that cr*p so much. I submit that you put the Cow who call others that first, as wickedly retarded as she is.
Hmm, not been here long, despite the years-old begin date. I've got you calibrated.
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Another atheist Christian turned Christian. Usually they hold on to the deception a little longer, before they announce their sudden epiphany.
Just another exceedingly feeble 'impostering' attempt. Here to 'own' some atheists, LOL. And since every religion is just a conspiracy theory, they can't walk ten feet without falling down the next rabbit hole. Pathetic and primed to eat up any old bullshit. Reality and fantasy are one and the same for these casualties of manipulation...consuming from some Qanon website or holy book. All of them are instant virologists and epidemiologists. Parting of the seas, corpses arising, demon-infested pigs and killer government vaccines with 5G microchips, LOL. It is all just so fucking stupid.
Quote from: Sheena on September 20, 2021, 07:27:32 PM
you need to get off Fentanyl. Yo! Bad for ya...
are you one of the flies? ...ENOUGH SAID! I didn't even read your filthy garbage. So I sure smoked you folks out of your holes , huh? toxic vermin and disease.
I am healthy. I will remain healthy and throughout the phony scamdamic I remained HEALTHY. And I am not getting what you thugily refer to as "vaccine". But you're welcome to go out and OVER DOSE ON IT. I won't mind a bit.
I couldn't leave without giving U this Precious bible verse, as you need to read it since it will do you some good, satan:
"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies". -(John 8:44)-
People are being DEPOPULATED with the death shot. The Phaking spike protein is a pathogen that causes anything from blood clut, to spinal cord and brain inflamation, to heart attack, to paralysis of the limps, Balls' palsy, organ failure, contracting the Very Covid the scumbags like Fooshi the baboon say it will prevent, death, etc. etc, etc. and this is only the Genesis of the depopulation.
Goodbye. Enough toxic garbage for me.
Don't let the virtual door hit you on the way out, you monster.
Quote from: Sheena on September 20, 2021, 08:05:14 PM... I came here with the intent to quit god. And I am leaving wanting to go back to church
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I am a former Christian, myself. And abuse sadly happens a lot. My family doesn't even believe in therapy. So struggling in my teenage years were really hard dealing with the beginning stages of my schizophrenia. When I could have gotten help earlier in my life. I been going to therapy for about 4 years now. It helped a lot more then praying to a god I thought I could hear. I was also taken advantage of by people who I thought were my friends. They would say that I was seeing demons as well as saying that I had specials gifts. They said I was psychic and I believed them. Side note I was in a vulnerable time in my life with my grandmother that had just passed away 6 months prier. So I was looking for answers for my self and got abused along the way.
I was also abused sexually by one of my friends whom said I was psychic.
I am working thought this trauma with my therapist I have been diagnosed with ptsd and schizoafftive disorder anxiety type. I am getting tested for autism in half a year do to my developmental issues.
Just sharing this to anyone who may be struggling with past trauma as well.
Sorry to hear that man. Thank you for sharing.
Welcome to our little band of heathens.
Feel free to make an intro thread and tell us a bit more about yourself.
Welcome, RabbitEyes. You had (and have) a hard road to travel. I hope you have now found good help and can lead a satisfactory life. Hope you stick around.
Thank you very much for your kindness.
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 02, 2021, 10:29:57 AM
Sexual abuse of children happening in broad range of religious settings, report finds.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/sexual-abuse-children-happening-broad-110648938.html
"The sexual abuse of children takes place in a broad range of religious settings, with some found to have no child protection policies in place, a report has found.
Victim-blaming, an absence of discussion around sex and sexuality, abuse of power by religious leaders and discouraging external reporting are among the "shocking failures" outlined in the report from the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA)."
I have a strong feeling that this is just the tip of the iceberg. And it has been going on for centuries. For me this simply illustrates two things. Religion promotes male dominance of the society in which said religion exists--and that leads to sexual abuse of women and children. And allows males to dominate all aspects of a society, not just the religious part. Religion always leads to abuse or all kinds. Our country is living proof of that.
I was sexually, physically, and emotionally abused by Christians not only as a child but as an adult too. To be so abused is a truly terrible experience, and I almost took my own life over it. When I tell Christians about it, they seem more concerned about their religion and shutting me up.
Sorry to hear that, jagella.
Fuck those sanctimonious asses.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on October 07, 2021, 02:38:59 PM
Sorry to hear that, jagella.
Fuck those sanctimonious asses.
Is the Christian religion just plain evil? Is it that simple?
A lot of nasty people use it for cover, is all. The ability to accept non-truth as truth, or a willingness to go along with a religion out of social inertia (i.e., "my family has always been church-goers"). It's how I ended up going back to church when my children came along, even though I wasn't a real believer. The wife, however, still is. My three sons are atheist, same as me, though. What is disheartening is how the laity in the RCC probably expect the clergy to clean up their fellow's acts, but from the pope down, it's just acting sorry without effective change. Just another con, afaiac. I guess it's actually a feature, not a bug, since no one seems to want to fix it.
Quote from: Jagella on October 07, 2021, 04:18:10 PM
Is the Christian religion just plain evil? Is it that simple?
Well, anyone who would follow the christian doctrine as laid out by the bible literally would probably in my view be categorized as evil.
Luckily, most christians don't.
But still more oft than not i do not see someones christianity as a boon on there person. Most of times, at best as nonconsequential.
Quote from: Jagella on October 07, 2021, 02:20:35 PM
I was sexually, physically, and emotionally abused by Christians not only as a child but as an adult too. To be so abused is a truly terrible experience, and I almost took my own life over it. When I tell Christians about it, they seem more concerned about their religion and shutting me up.
I am very sorry to learn that. It seems that there is no limit to what christians do and still profess that they lead lives of love and consideration to all.
Quote from: Jagella on October 07, 2021, 04:18:10 PM
Is the Christian religion just plain evil? Is it that simple?
Much evil flows from the christian religion. I think it is mainly fostered by church hierarchies. It seems that the stronger any christian groups hierarchy, the more evil it produces. I've found that individuals who are more 'spiritual' than religious tend to be nicer people.
Quote from: Mike Cl on October 07, 2021, 06:07:33 PMIt seems that the stronger any christian groups hierarchy, the more evil it produces. I've found that individuals who are more 'spiritual' than religious tend to be nicer people.
Exactly right. Corruption, groupthink, and tribalism are produced strongly in strongly hierarchical organizations, especially religious organizations. This can lead to a sort of moral blindness where the tribe's rules and health are prioritized over general morality, with tragic results.
Quote from: Mike Cl on October 07, 2021, 06:01:53 PM
I am very sorry to learn that.
Thanks for the concern and understanding. I received none of either one at the CARM.org forum when I reported that abuse to the Christians there. All they could do was tell me how hateful they thought I was. I eventually got banned there for asking that the forum rules be changed to allow me to freely make my case about Christianity and its ill effects on people.
QuoteIt seems that there is no limit to what christians do and still profess that they lead lives of love and consideration to all.
Their version of love differs from what most of us think of as love. They are commanded to love like a slave needs to love his master and fellow slaves lest the slave be beaten by the master. In other words, they don't love because it comes naturally but because they will get their asses beat if they don't. And as you say, that threat doesn't always inspire love even then.
Quote from: Hydra009 on October 07, 2021, 06:43:16 PM
Exactly right. Corruption, groupthink, and tribalism are produced strongly in strongly hierarchical organizations, especially religious organizations. This can lead to a sort of moral blindness where the tribe's rules and health are prioritized over general morality, with tragic results.
You are correct. It's important to understand that Christians are no different from most people in that they may place the concerns of their group over their concerns for individuals. This kind of behavior is utilitarian because the benefits of the many take precedence over the wellbeing of the few. Harming the group is seen as a greater evil than harming one or two individuals. In the case of Christianity, millions of people granted eternal life in paradise may come at the cost of a smaller number of people hurt or even killed.