It seems like whenever Christians are cut off from trying to preach to everyone they think they're being oppressed. Maybe they are. I don't think so, but that's just me. In the latest manufactured outrage Fox News would like you to believe that NBC hates Jesus because an interviewer cut off a girl from quoting the bible during an interview about that cruise ship that got stuck. (Link Below)
I wasn't sure what to think just reading the story, but then I actually watched the clip and he did in fact cut her off as she was about to quote the bible, but from my perspective she was suddenly trying to hijack the interview for proselytization purposes.
The people commenting on the story are calling for boycotts of NBC and their sponsors and praying for the reporter to find "Him" before it's to late, etc. There doesn't seem to be any dissenting opinions just yet, so if you'd like to educate some people or to have a little fun you might want to head over there and say whats-up.
At any rate, is there a war on religion, because it seems more like there's a war by religion on everyone who doesn't believe what they do.
http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/to ... verse.html (http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/nbc-reporter-stops-cruise-ship-passenger-from-citing-bible-verse.html)
OK, I watched the video in question. The two valley girls got their 15 seconds of fame and then some. Should the reporter have allowed them to go on about their love for god? He could have, I suppose. I don't see that he was obligated, though. He was obviously looking for comments about conditions on the ship.
The Christian majority cries foul too much, and so does Fox News. For the most part, the interview was just a non-event: "How did you manage?" "Oh, fine. Bla Bla" "OK, it's back to you, Joe."
No need to make a Federal case over it.
Quote from: "EchoSider"At any rate, is there a war on religion, because it seems more like there's a war by religion on everyone who doesn't believe what they do.
Whenever there was war between religions. Most often it is used as a scapegoat for economic and political reasons, but we can not forget that "love your neighbor as yourself" was spoken exclusively to Jews and inconscientemente (or not) seems that everyone understands this message, ie love only if he believes in the same god.
Yes, lately religion, in particular, Xtianity, is under attack, and for good reason. Religion has enjoyed respect that it never deserved for far too long, and now it's just getting what it has coming.
Saying that religion is under attack is like saying belief that the Earth is flat is under attack.
Contrary to popular belief, you don't get to believe any stupid piece of shit that crosses your mind. Reality doesn't work that way. There is some wiggle room in some areas that have not be adequately explored. These people get no points for choosing to believe shit in areas where there is no wiggle room.
Most forms of evidence-free woo have been under attack of one sort or another from adherents of different evidence-free woo since time immemorial. I don't see that changing any time soon.
In my opinion saying Christianity is under attack in America is like Hitler saying Germans were under attack by the Jews. For centuries they have been strong-arm thugs forcing their beliefs on everyone else. They have confused the waning of their undeserved power with persecution.
And let's not forget that Christians define "persecution" every differently than intelligent people do. If you say Muslims are bad, not persecution of anyone. If you say atheists are bad, not persecution of anybody. The same is true for gays and Wiccans and all manner of pagans. But if you say Christianity is bad, now THAT is persecution. If you teach school children that they should be atheists, persecution of Christians. If you teach school children nothing about religion, persecution of Christians. If you teach school children to be Christian, nobody is being persecuted.
I watched the clip. The reporter is there to report "the news". A Bible quote was not "the news", it was babbling. A good reporter will always cut off someone who is babbling about something unrelated to what is being reported and not of newsworthy value, such as some dumb bitch preaching. He did what any good reporter would do and cut her off, politely, when she started babbling about something completely irrelevant to the story he was reporting on and which was not in the least bit newsworthy.
Quote from: "widdershins"In my opinion saying Christianity is under attack in America is like Hitler saying Germans were under attack by the Jews. For centuries they have been strong-arm thugs forcing their beliefs on everyone else. They have confused the waning of their undeserved power with persecution.
And let's not forget that Christians define "persecution" every differently than intelligent people do. If you say Muslims are bad, not persecution of anyone. If you say atheists are bad, not persecution of anybody. The same is true for gays and Wiccans and all manner of pagans. But if you say Christianity is bad, now THAT is persecution. If you teach school children that they should be atheists, persecution of Christians. If you teach school children nothing about religion, persecution of Christians. If you teach school children to be Christian, nobody is being persecuted.
I watched the clip. The reporter is there to report "the news". A Bible quote was not "the news", it was babbling. A good reporter will always cut off someone who is babbling about something unrelated to what is being reported and not of newsworthy value, such as some dumb bitch preaching. He did what any good reporter would do and cut her off, politely, when she started babbling about something completely irrelevant to the story he was reporting on and which was not in the least bit newsworthy.
100x this.
If their god really wanted them to speak on his behalf, he would have permitted the interview to continue.
They need to stop thinking that their god cannot make a reporter bow to his wishes. It bespeaks a lack of faith on their part.
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Yeah, Christianity is always under attack. 75-80% of U.S. citizens identify as Christians, but they are under attack. They were martyrs in Rome- oops, evidence is coming out that maybe they weren't. Hmm. Never mind the genocide, pogroms, racial prejudice and homophobia committed by them over centuries, they are under attack.
Any form of superstition should be under attack. Why should any evidence free woo get a pass from questioning? Is Christianity under attack? Yea and was the flat earth claims, so should Ouija Boards and Big Foot.
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Christianity needs to be backed up against the wall and bitch slapped. Seriously.
Christians are under attack today on my FB page and I launched a two part rant telling them to shit or get off the pot; and seriously GO CLEAN their own houses.
Yes I ranted. And I ranted Hard and Long.
And I laugh and I'm mean when they tell me how oppressed they are.
Today.......they can fucking shove it!
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Christians are under attack today on my FB page and I launched a two part rant telling them to shit or get off the pot; and seriously GO CLEAN their own houses.
Yes I ranted. And I ranted Hard and Long.
And I laugh and I'm mean when they tell me how oppressed they are.
Today.......they can fucking shove it!
don't know whether to send hugs or back slowly away....
Quote from: "stromboli"Christianity needs to be backed up against the wall and bitch slapped. Seriously.
ALL superstitions need to be verbally bitch slapped with blasphemy and ridicule and reason and questioning, not just Christianity.
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I can't be the only one that though this...
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Now that we are making this a video game motif. I'd like to see a spoof version of Mortal Kombat where Sonja beats Allah and Jesus and Yahweh and each time it says "FATALITY, REASON WINS"
Quote from: "stromboli"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Christians are under attack today on my FB page and I launched a two part rant telling them to shit or get off the pot; and seriously GO CLEAN their own houses.
Yes I ranted. And I ranted Hard and Long.
And I laugh and I'm mean when they tell me how oppressed they are.
Today.......they can fucking shove it!
don't know whether to send hugs or back slowly away....
both please.
LOL
(but the backing away so that you avoid the fallout I'm getting )
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I can't be the only one that though this...
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* snorts * People like us have been persecuted for years. Criticized. Beaten. Burned. Killed. For years. If Christians can't take a little verbal punishment in return it shows how strong those bunch are.
Quote from: "invisibleandpink"* snorts * People like us have been persecuted for years. Criticized. Beaten. Burned. Killed. For years. If Christians can't take a little verbal punishment in return it shows how strong those bunch are.
PINKIE!!! How are you?
Good. Good. Been lazy, lately. But I'm still around. * beams *
PINK! Good to see ya. Welcome back, my friend!
Quote from: "invisibleandpink"* snorts * People like us have been persecuted for years. Criticized. Beaten. Burned. Killed. For years. If Christians can't take a little verbal punishment in return it shows how strong those bunch are.
*hug* Pink!! Hope you're doing good.
Pink, I posted very similar comments to yours above ^ today. LOL
Quote from: "Brian37"Now that we are making this a video game motif. I'd like to see a spoof version of Mortal Kombat where Sonja beats Allah and Jesus and Yahweh and each time it says "FATALITY, REASON WINS"
Not quite. (//http://kasposterous.com/mortal-kombat-jesus-vs-pope)
Why does this picture remind me of christianity? Hmmm.
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Because they just won't be happy until we have all been assimilated.
Quote from: "EchoSider"It seems like whenever Christians are cut off from trying to preach to everyone they think they're being oppressed. Maybe they are. I don't think so, but that's just me. In the latest manufactured outrage Fox News would like you to believe that NBC hates Jesus because an interviewer cut off a girl from quoting the bible during an interview about that cruise ship that got stuck. (Link Below)
I wasn't sure what to think just reading the story, but then I actually watched the clip and he did in fact cut her off as she was about to quote the bible, but from my perspective she was suddenly trying to hijack the interview for proselytization purposes.
The people commenting on the story are calling for boycotts of NBC and their sponsors and praying for the reporter to find "Him" before it's to late, etc. There doesn't seem to be any dissenting opinions just yet, so if you'd like to educate some people or to have a little fun you might want to head over there and say whats-up.
At any rate, is there a war on religion, because it seems more like there's a war by religion on everyone who doesn't believe what they do.
http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/to ... verse.html (http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/nbc-reporter-stops-cruise-ship-passenger-from-citing-bible-verse.html)
Heh heh heh. Time to stir up the ant hill..... :twisted:
over the weekend i had to go on a confirmation retreat to some asshat place. I was very surprised by the emphasis the preachy-people were putting on "combating" atheism. They specifically went out of their way to define it as a rejection of god, and as a disease. There was a huge push against the internet, at one point the people even said, "You may read things online that try to disprove God, and you might think they are true, but they are false truths, don't believe them, for it is the devil tempting you." utter bullshit, right? They repeatedly said that if there was anyone in the audience that thought that what they are doing is bullshit (adoration, confession) to please keep it to themselves, and try to get help. So obviously Christians aren't being persecuted (as far as i know), but rather the church is dying, and they know it.
-Overall the retreat wasn't too horrible, met another atheist and we chilled in our cabin and laughed at all the asshat things people were doing.
Christianity should be under attack . This religion is guilty of crimes against humanity .
Quote from: "EchoSider"It seems like whenever Christians are cut off from trying to preach to everyone they think they're being oppressed. Maybe they are. I don't think so, but that's just me. In the latest manufactured outrage Fox News would like you to believe that NBC hates Jesus because an interviewer cut off a girl from quoting the bible during an interview about that cruise ship that got stuck. (Link Below)
I wasn't sure what to think just reading the story, but then I actually watched the clip and he did in fact cut her off as she was about to quote the bible, but from my perspective she was suddenly trying to hijack the interview for proselytization purposes.
The people commenting on the story are calling for boycotts of NBC and their sponsors and praying for the reporter to find "Him" before it's to late, etc. There doesn't seem to be any dissenting opinions just yet, so if you'd like to educate some people or to have a little fun you might want to head over there and say whats-up.
At any rate, is there a war on religion, because it seems more like there's a war by religion on everyone who doesn't believe what they do.
http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/to ... verse.html (http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/nbc-reporter-stops-cruise-ship-passenger-from-citing-bible-verse.html)
The major thing we don't know (which of course, Fox News doesn't bother to address) is whether or not the interview was running up against the time block. Television news is NOT like print or even online reporting, where a person can blather on for a paragraph or two and it isn't such a big deal (as long as all the contacts aren't doing it). This is because each story in print, or on a website is independent of the other. If one person turns his shit in late (or not at all), it doesn't effect the other articles really. The managing editor just does a little presto chango, and fills in the gap with something else.
In cable news each story has a
very specific of amount seconds that it can have on air, because they are serial. One after the other. And when one story exceeds it's limit, then guess what? All the other stories are delayed and each starts to run up against it's own limit. I can't begin to explain how much that sucks, especially when a delayed story encroaches upon the time of an ad.
Quote from: "TheDevoutPasta"over the weekend i had to go on a confirmation retreat to some asshat place. I was very surprised by the emphasis the preachy-people were putting on "combating" atheism. They specifically went out of their way to define it as a rejection of god, and as a disease. There was a huge push against the internet, at one point the people even said, "You may read things online that try to disprove God, and you might think they are true, but they are false truths, don't believe them, for it is the devil tempting you." utter bullshit, right? They repeatedly said that if there was anyone in the audience that thought that what they are doing is bullshit (adoration, confession) to please keep it to themselves, and try to get help. So obviously Christians aren't being persecuted (as far as i know), but rather the church is dying, and they know it.
-Overall the retreat wasn't too horrible, met another atheist and we chilled in our cabin and laughed at all the asshat things people were doing.
False truths? That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I guess I would call it "stupid wisdom". Now if you don't mind I have to get in my bicycle car to go to my home neighbor's house and eat some kosher bacon.
If we revisit the original post, ending of an interview is not an "attack". Christians may or may not claim they are under attack in this case, but that doesn't mean it's an attack.
They pretend to be martyrs so they can walk in the footsteps of their beloved Jesus and show each other the strength of their faith. But supposedly Jesus was nailed to a cross and executed. What Christians often do is act like victims even if no victimization is present.
What Fox News was doing was just playing to that stupid mindset. The reporter ended the interview. Oh my! Big deal. And how much time did Fox News spend treating that dead horse of a non-event as news?
Quote from: "drunkenshoe"Reporter acted like a sensible person after this:
Quote"We knew the Lord was in complete control of the situation,"
:lol: Obviously he isn't and he wanted to demonstrate that. These people are NUTS. Hitting them with a microphone on the head could be a better solution.
:rollin:
(look like rollie dude is BACK - yay!)
LMAO Drunkzie your post made me laugh out loud!
Is Christianity under attack? No.......at least........not yet.....
MWHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
By the way, $10 says these girls end up getting on Fox News by the end of the week.
It's hard for me to remember if Christianity is under attack at any moment, since that statement can be made by ANY believer who doesn't get to say what they want to say, WHENEVER AND WHEREVER they want to say it.
Yes, I've seen people's "free speech" rights violated time and again here, at least, to hear them talk about it. It's funny how those who bitch the most about their rights being violated know so little about their rights, and the rights of those who own the medium they wish their speech to be carried by.
Is Christianity under attack?
If only..............
It's much too difficult to debate with a Christian. Their final trump card always lies in "because God," and frankly, we Atheists/Agnostics can't do anything about that. They have that "ultimate" argument in which they call to finalize the debate. Provided Christians aren't the best debaters, they have to make do with how the world is changing around them. They fall back to the basis of their book.
Come on guys :P we know Christians don't argue from a logical sense. They argue from a theological sense, one where they're able to dive into the depths of illogical and mind-boggling "facts."
Quote from: "Jesus"It's much to difficult to debate with a Christian. Their final trump card always lies in "because God," and frankly, we Atheists/Agnostics can't do anything about that. They have that "ultimate" argument in which they call to finalize the debate. Provided Christians aren't the best debaters, they have to make do with how the world is changing around them. They fall back to the basis of their book.
Come on guys :P we know Christians don't argue from a logical sense. They argue from a theological sense, one where they're able to dive into the depths of illogical and mind-boggling "facts."
Why debate a matter of faith?
Now, if a religionist brings in factual claims, those are fair game. But I don't debate unicorns and leprechauns, and I'm damned sure not about to start.