In all the pandemic panic, we might forget. But all hallows eve was another deadline in the brexit debate that just got passed by.
I get that people are waiting to see who will be top dog in the American election. But I must ask, does anyone even believe in this thing anymore? At this point, we'll have cyberpunk 2077 before we have brexit.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on November 02, 2020, 04:26:09 AM
In all the pandemic panic, we might forget. But all hallows eve was another deadline in the brexit debate that just got passed by.
I get that people are waiting to see who will be top dog in the American election. But I must ask, does anyone even believe in this thing anymore? At this point, we'll have cyberpunk 2077 before we have brexit.
I forgot about brexit. How many of the British have also forgot? I wonder if Boris Johnson forgot?
They will postpone it. Extraordinary circumstances and all.
Also I have read somewhere that England is going on in lockdown again.
On second thought...let's grab Scotland and run. This could be our last chance. :p
If George Bush were still here, we could invade Scotland to save the Scots. Does Scotland have any oil, by the way?
Infact, they do. (Just checked, North Sea.) Ha, I have never thought of that. Ring the bells! Scotland's in dire need of American democracy... :p
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on November 02, 2020, 04:26:09 AM
In all the pandemic panic, we might forget. But all hallows eve was another deadline in the brexit debate that just got passed by.
I get that people are waiting to see who will be top dog in the American election. But I must ask, does anyone even believe in this thing anymore? At this point, we'll have cyberpunk 2077 before we have brexit.
Bwahah ... BoJo is Corbyn's brother by another mother ;-) Same as all the other Tories ... bwahaha. In BoJo's case, a Turkish Delight. The real reason for Brexit is so that HoC can impose a bloody Cromwellian dictatorship, that the EU wouldn't allow, because they would be so jealous in Berlin.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on November 02, 2020, 09:06:27 AM
On second thought...let's grab Scotland and run. This could be our last chance. :p
The Scots only like the French, as their whores ;-) You want to find out what is up that kilt, lassie?
Quote from: SGOS on November 02, 2020, 09:12:28 AM
If George Bush were still here, we could invade Scotland to save the Scots. Does Scotland have any oil, by the way?
The English and Norwegians have almost drained all the North Sea Oil. The French and Dutch are hoovering up the last of the fish.
MI6 got to BoJo with Covid, but Meghan's sister in egomania, married BoJo so now he is as cucked as Prince Harry. US and UK Deep State are siamese twins, if you please, siamese twins if you don't please ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlQYqQs0R3w
Quote from: Baruch on November 02, 2020, 09:41:51 AM
The English and Norwegians have almost drained all the North Sea Oil. The French and Dutch are hoovering up the last of the fish.
Naah, apparently, 30 years of their Britain's need left.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on November 02, 2020, 09:46:03 AM
Naah, apparently, 30 years of their Britain's need left.
Won't be so funny when functional reproduction Lancasters drop functional reproduction 500 ib bombs on Berlin. Cromwell was a rather violent man.
What are you talking about?
Quote from: drunkenshoe on November 02, 2020, 10:38:19 AM
What are you talking about?
The continuity of British and Continental history. History didn't stop for Fukuyama, and didn't stop for Communism either. In WWI and WWII ... Britain declared war on Germany, not the other way around. Will Turkey be an armed neutral or rejoin the Kaiserin?
Europe in 1913 ... "it is inconceivable that the world-wide all-powerful European powers will try to annihilate each other" ... Europe in 1933 ... "Europeans are too civilized to indulge in genocide" ... Europeans are no better than Mongols!
You don't make any sense as usual.
Long story short, if you think Germans will let the helm go, or EU will let the UK be, you really have no idea. Brits could have fought the battle at least via the politics in the field, but hey, the moron part of the country has chosen to burn down the gate to the stadium a second time. There is a comparison between teh deals May and Johnson did in one of the current pieces. HA! And they have mocked and humiliated that woman. There is no battle anymore. They need to salvage whatever they can.
The EU has already sued them for treaty breach.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/eu-britain-brexit-sue-withdrawal/2020/10/01/14aa4c24-03c7-11eb-b92e-029676f9ebec_story.html
QuoteIn Brussels, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said legislation now moving through Parliament was in %u201Cfull contradiction%u201D to Britain%u2019s previous guarantee to avoid a hard border on the island of Ireland.
E.U. diplomats and policymakers have been dismayed by the British bill, viewing it as an almost absurdist culmination of years of Brexit antics, with Johnson%u2019s government threatening to undermine an agreement it signed less than a year ago and that hasn%u2019t even fully gone into effect.
The E.U. is now sending a %u201Cletter of formal notice,%u201D which could lead to a legal showdown in the European Court of Justice.
The Germans and French broke the deficit rules years ago. Some nations are more equal than others. History isn't your thing, which is OK. It is very depressing! If the Germans falter, Emperor of the French, Macron, will step in, if his school teacher lets him ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on November 03, 2020, 10:56:45 AM
The Germans and French broke the deficit rules years ago. Some nations are more equal than others. History isn't your thing, which is OK. It is very depressing! If the Germans falter, Emperor of the French, Macron, will step in, if his school teacher lets him ;-)
Pffft. You can break the rules as long as you are in the club.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on November 03, 2020, 11:02:55 AM
Pffft. You can break the rules as long as you are in the club.
GB wasn't in the club, though they thought they were promised this. Germany and France treated them like Slovenia. The British Bull Dog has a bite, even if it is more Cromwell than Marx. Without the finances of "The City" the EU is bankrupt (cash flow). The EU never took Brexit seriously, and allowed Deutche Bank to be run like Pirate Cove. Their only salvation is to steal the italian gold (to add it to the German gold that was stolen from their neighbors earlier) and do a Grexit. I hear Merkel printed the deutche marks in advance. Italy of course is aware of this, and past betrayals of Italy by Germany.
'The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.' - Thatcher. Germany could try MMT (Modern Monetary Theory) but they tried that already under Weimar ;-( Or the communists did in Hungary or Mr Mugabe did in Zimbabwe. Varoufakis on the other hand, is an honest Marxist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic#/media/File:50_Billionen_Mark_Stolberg_Eschweiler_001.jpg
The US has the FDR method, we can declare the official price of gold to not be $42.22 per ounce. We could rescale it to near the current commercial price of $2000.00 per ounce. Though that would cause massive dislocations, though that might be better than hyperinflation of the dollar.
Quote from: Baruch on November 03, 2020, 11:09:16 AM
GB wasn't in the club, though they thought they were promised this. Germany and France treated them like Slovenia. The British Bull Dog has a bite, even if it is more Cromwell than Marx.
Well, they didn't expect Euro so of course it was different. But they have entered because of the trade and business so yes they were in. That's the whole point. Schools, universities, travel...etc.
Also did you know that the white British was the biggest group in whole Europe who got the most EU welfare? This was a big issue during Brexit brought up by the Nayers because Cameron kept lying about the British welfare minorities got.
Also they could live everywhere in EU they liked. Brits are like a bit of Chinese people in that sense, you can find them everywhere. I like that.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on November 03, 2020, 11:19:07 AM
Well, they didn't expect Euro so of course it was different. But they have entered because of the trade and business so yes they were in. That's the whole point. Schools, universities, travel...etc.
Also did you know that the white British was the biggest group in whole Europe who got the most EU welfare. This was a big issue udring Brexit brought up by the Nayers because Cameron kept lying about the British welfare minorities got.
Also they could live everywhere in EU they liked. Brits are like a bit of Chinese people in that sense, you can find them everywhere. I like that.
Yes, there were advantages to Brits well off enough to have a winter home in France or a vacation home in Spain. But the Red Wall in N England didn't benefit as much. Most US welfare over the last 50 years went to women in general, not to Black men. Results aren't evenly distributed, particularly if, as they are, deliberately designed that way. Germany economically has benefited most from the EU and Euro, Vichy France getting German crumbs, as the US for the first 30 years, benefited most from Bretton-Woods and the Marshall Plan. There is a very subtle difference between differential fair trade and parasitic neo-colonialism. Militarily Europe and GB are still military colonies of the US.
What? You understand how trade goes around in the EU, right? How it is all connected? From food to flowers to tick tacky junk, medicine to everything people need? Again, that is the whole point of founding the EU. EU trade works pretty much like a mechanical clock. Even the timing of transportation of needed goods hour to hour in trade was set according to this net.
UK is not Switzerland. It's an island with a population of 66 million. Just the trade with Ireland is gonna suck for them as hell. Because now, there will be a real border between them. Ireland is EU. They will have to pay for every deal. And the EU won't let them go around as they like, as it looks like happening with the fishers.
Ireland is getting impatient. It's very weird. Apparently they don't even communicate with them, or inform them ahead what is going to happen with the deals and all. And they claim there is deliberate chaos created by the British government. In short, do they really look like they know what they are doing up there to you?
I'm curious of your meaningless bias against Germany. It can't be the obvious, can it? Do you have any idea how strong and stable Mark was when Germany accepted Euro? It was the European Dollar. Peopole here didn't buy Dollars, they bought Mark. From France to Nederland, the major economies were lockled in on it, anyway. And this is an economy that restarted from scratch after 1945. Not to mention the world of compensation they have paid for decades and then some.
You are talking as if they have been lying around doing nothing and keep collecting tributes, getting huge loans -Greece comes to mind, but not comparable of course- and keep wasting it on corruption, screwing their own people and EU or something. Sorry to bust your bubble but these people know how to work an economy, if you haven't noticed. It's not like you can benefit from Euro without knowing how to work that and produce like hell. What else is there? They have obviously learned some heavy lessons about pouring down money into wars too. So yeah it is a success. Especially considering doing all that while herding more than a few million Middle Easterners.
I haven't grown up with German culture, I actually know little about it compared to the ones I have grown up which is British -American as in popular cultural and the country has too old natural connections with French and Italian. I live in Levant, remember? The thing is, I think similar things for Japan too. They have both become very successful. This is about success after losing WWII. But I don't get why some people make it a big deal when it is about Germany.
Free trade? Under Stazi regulations ... that is free indeed ;-) Not knocking the EU, but y'all are the ones that want to exterminate England, as part of the 1000 year traditional hate fest (one of many) that characterizes Europeans. If Germany will exterminate the English, what will they do with the Turks?
Nothing is free. Nobody is getting exterminated. We all are subjected to the shit dictating the geography we live in, real or not.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on November 03, 2020, 01:16:58 PM
Nothing is free. Nobody is getting exterminated. We all are subjected to the shit dictating the geography we live in, real or not.
drunkenshoe - nobody is getting exterminated
Hitler - hold my Munich beer
Hitler isn't just a single person it is a personality type found all over the world and all thru history
Cummings has left the building, btw.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on November 16, 2020, 03:47:01 PM
Cummings has left the building, btw.
Yes ... all Brits will be absorbed into the Merkel "thing" shortly ;-) They will all have face transplants so they all look like Corbyn, the women too ;-))
Does anyone get what's going on?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-live-boris-johnson-trade-deal-b1760805.html
QuoteThe House of Lords has voted to force Boris Johnson’s government to seek the consent of the devolved administrations before ministers can exercise powers contained in No 10’s controversial Internal Market Bill.
It comes as Bank of England governor Andrew Bailey has said that a no-deal Brexit would cause even more long-term damage to the UK’s economy than the coronavirus pandemic. The influential figure told MPs a deal was in the “best interests of both sidesâ€.
It follows an optimistic assessment of trade talks by Irish premier Micheál Martin, who revealed legal texts were now in play on all areas of the prospective trade deal. “I would be hopeful that by the end of this week we could see the outline of a deal,†said Mr Martin. ...
I thought Boris Johnson was elected on a platform that the GB would be out of the EU with or without a deal, but it seems like it can't happen without a deal, but no deal so far proposed is acceptable. And no deal at all isn't acceptable either. I suspect Brits can't agree on what they want and what they are willing to give up. Independence is not easy. America had the same problem 250 years ago. Some Americans wanted independence. Others did not. Those who wanted it forced it on the others. I'm still not sure how well that worked out for us.
If you would like, America would be happy to go over there and colonize the British isles. You could become a state, and you could all own guns and buy your own health insurance, and the Royal Family would be given meaningful jobs. It would be like America taking care of it's parents in their old age. Or if you prefer, Canada might be willing to take you on. Frankly, I think Canada would be a better choice. Sometimes I wish they would make us a Province, and I could move to Coastal British Columbia and have a log cabin. I already own a Hudson's Bay Blanket.
There was always a possibility of a deal. In most countries trade deals are done behind closed doors, without transparency. Don't know the content of course, because it is not transparent. Hence the Brexiteers paranoia that BoJo is just another Cambridge Five (communist agent) only from Oxford, like PM Cameron and PM May. The colleges worldwide are THE hive of Menshevism.
Of course BoJo may give a transition period on fishing rights (Netherlands and France depend on it). Exactly what the legal arrangements are to be, since GB will be out of Schengen, but still want millions of anti-British Muslims as local slave labor ... have to be worked out. Like in the US (we can't survive without labor and drugs from Mexico). I still read a little British news every day, even in this transition period, for entertainment. Their criminal political class are so much more entertaining than the American brand.
"The people of Europe will rise up against their soulless un-elected corrupt dictators." ... German leaders to Nuremberg, French leaders to Plac de Concorde!
Munch, if you still read this: hope you are doing fine.
Shit seems fucked in GB. With the travel ban and delays at the exact moment of stockpiling for the first weeks of Brexit...
Hope you and yours do well.
The EU army will invade GB presently. The reality is, France and Germany have hated England for 1000 years, and have always enabled the Celtic resistance to join them in the fun.
President Teddy Roosevelt enabled the reconciliation between the British and French Empires by 1910. King Edward was directly involved and pissed off the Foreign Office and Indian Office. From that point, the monarchy has had no authority what so ever. The result was, the British Empire declared war on the German Empire in 1914, and on the Third Reich in 1939. Many Brits today wish they had stayed out of it and just let the Germans and French kill each other.
"'So Long, And Thanks For All The Fish' - UK Announces Historic Brexit Trade Deal" ... PM Johnson is a porpoise? Has to past Parliament first. Money promised for British fisheries screwed for the last 40 years. EU gets a quota of British fish, not all of it. Farage etc will see BoJo in a ditch over this! There is third party arbitration over allocation, trade disputes, but BoJo promises that that won't have to be resorted too, too often ;-) UK will be allowed to make 3rd party trade deals, and he promises that the UK/EU won't tariff the shit out of each other ;-) He must never have met a French farmer ;-)
"1000s Of Trucks Still Stranded In UK As French COVID-Testing Rules Spark "Chaos"" ... next time President Macron will send Napoleon's corpse
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""Plague Island": Media Uses Xenophobic Anti-British Cartoon To Depict COVID" ... if you don't take it in the ass from Germany, you are evil!
There are people who want Parliament to turn down the deal, because they want no-deal, but they are unlikely to prevail.
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Early analysis shows that the agreement is a perpetual Brexit negotiation with a new layer of joint bureaucracy, a bit like how Norway is associated with the EU. Also the UK will continue to give up 1/3 of their fish for the next 5.5 years, and maybe longer. UK will not owe as much money into the common pot, so the EU is still in financial trouble, though the Covid finance bill is supposed to solve this. Parliament would be wise to pocket-veto this and go with no-deal. I don't expect, as all being part of the Fabian Socialists, that they will do this.
"EU Nations Unanimously Approve Brexit Deal As UK Warns Businesses To "Prepare For A Bumpy Ride"" ... replace EU tyranny with Doris tyranny?
"UK shouldn't take the 1,246-page agreement as the final word on EU market access" ... as 80% of UK economy is services ... that is what Germany mostly wants, to nuke The City (so Frankfurt and the corrupt Deutchebank becomes the world financial center).
"Votes on the text of the deal in Parliament and the EU Parliament, which will represent the final obstacles to the deal being officially ratified, are scheduled for Wednesday." ... goes into effect this Thursday night, if it gets those last two approvals.
Why Brexit? "Don’t want to be governed by an elected government in Westminster but willing to be ruled by the French and Germans in an un-elected EU, strange!" ... yes, the whole UK in the EU period was an LSD trip
I've read that Britain has signed a free trade agreement with Turkey. Frankly, I find it odd.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on December 30, 2020, 08:37:36 AM
I've read that Britain has signed a free trade agreement with Turkey. Frankly, I find it odd.
They did, yesterday ... "UK, Turkey reach post-Brexit free trade agreement". UK has signed a number of free trade agreements outside of the EU, and expect many more.
"Brexit Trade Deal Easily Passes House Of Commons" ... "Brexit deal allows Britain to "have its cake and eat it," BoJo says." ... passing House of Lords and Queens Assent should be trivial. Doris is just a legend with clay feet after all ;-) Seems people prefer crooked politicians to crooked businessmen (see Trump).
The idea that the French won't take GB to court over the details of this agreement, about once a month, ignores what the French are really like. But at least the French farmers won't be able any more to use the Chunnel to tractor over the Kent and drop rotten produce on the highways ;-))
"BoJo Deploys Military To Help Secure UK Schools Against COVID As Cases Surge" ... what will the SAS do, shoot the viruses?
Well we'll well
Brexit is a fact.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on December 31, 2020, 06:41:19 PM
Well we'll well
Brexit is a fact.
Not really. Even with House of Lords and Queen's assent ... the Ides of March have not yet arrived. Also .. one more assent from the EU, the EU Parliament in maybe February. Lots more time for EU/Macron to fuck with GB, and even after that, they can wrangle a new 100 Years War over the details and the committees that turn horses into camels ;-) I think UK won't be really autonomous, that was never possible, they will just be more autonomous than they have been since 1992. And that doesn't save the Brits from the malign intentions of their upper class, lower class and corrupt politicians ;-) We are talking about GB, not the fabled court of King Arthur.
"UK Woman Arrested For Filming Inside Empty Hospital" ... Britain has centuries more corruption than the US, who do you think we learned it from?
Quote from: Baruch on December 31, 2020, 07:08:11 PM
Not really. Even with House of Lords and Queen's assent ... the Ides of March have not yet arrived. Also .. one more assent from the EU, the EU Parliament in maybe February. Lots more time for EU/Macron to fuck with GB, and even after that, they can wrangle a new 100 Years War over the details and the committees that turn horses into camels ;-) I think UK won't be really autonomous, that was never possible, they will just be more autonomous than they have been since 1992. And that doesn't save the Brits from the malign intentions of their upper class, lower class and corrupt politicians ;-) We are talking about GB, not the fabled court of King Arthur.
"UK Woman Arrested For Filming Inside Empty Hospital" ... Britain has centuries more corruption than the US, who do you think we learned it from?
Agreements from the lords or the queen aside: the brexit did go in effect starting today. Non-agreement on the deal would simply lead to no deal and strip the provisional state of affairs.
Things can very well still get more fucked up, I agree. But GB is officially out of the EU.
EU is Hotel California, you can check in, but never check out .. France and Germany can't allow it, or the Poles, Hungarians and Italians will make kielbasa, goulash and pasta out of the EU ;-) Mind you, I don't hate the Europeans, but if I were British I would never have joined the Common Market, let alone the EU. But this happened under US pressure, to bolster Germany as the front line against the Warsaw Pact. Of course the Warsaw Pact and the Soviet Union folded, but momentum must be maintained (NATO forever). The US has stabbed the UK in the back any chance we got, we remember who burned Washington DC. I think if Churchill hadn't been half-American, we would have let the Nazis eat England alive.
Quote from: Baruch on January 01, 2021, 12:19:25 PM
EU is Hotel California, you can check in, but never check out .. France and Germany can't allow it, or the Poles...
Sure we can. It's just not smart too. And we are under no obligation to give the same benefits without due compensation. Brexit could have been a lot faster and easier if the Brits cared nothing for their own well-being and prosperity. Just gone for no deal. Would have been worst for all involved, but the EU would have let them had that been the resolve. Or the Brits could have let it, if it were the EU's resolve.
But no one with a right functioning brain would want the worst case scenario.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on January 01, 2021, 01:51:03 PM
Sure we can. It's just not smart too. And we are under no obligation to give the same benefits without due compensation. Brexit could have been a lot faster and easier if the Brits cared nothing for their own well-being and prosperity. Just gone for no deal. Would have been worst for all involved, but the EU would have let them had that been the resolve. Or the Brits could have let it, if it were the EU's resolve.
But no one with a right functioning brain would want the worst case scenario.
Smart is being under the thumb of Germany? If you are German that is true, sometimes. I agree, no-deal would have been better (in a sense) but almost everything is politically impossible everywhere (politicians are there to stop things from happening aka status quo prejudice). I don't see it tautologically true that whatever Germany wants, is even good for Germans, let alone anyone else. And that applies to any political regime. Why don't you just state (tongue in cheek) that you agree with France-Germany that the only good English are dead English? ;-) Like in the US, we used to have signs that said "No Blacks or Irish allowed"?
Really, the EU economically less than China, and you all just as well cut to the chase, and enter slavery to China. America is.
"Sacrifice 1 of 100 Remainers to their pagan gods and proceed without rancour." ... Brexiteer response ;-))