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Title: My opinion about people who change of religion
Post by: viocjit on June 24, 2013, 03:29:18 PM
My opinion about people who change of religion is the next.
I think that people who leave their religion to change of religion are people who know that their religion is not the truth. Therefore they will make researches about others religions and will find a religion who can satisfy them.

Why I think that ? I read messages in many Francophone forums about people who leaved Islam for Christianity and all these people discovered that Islam is not the truth. Likewise for people who leaved Christianity for Islam.

But we can note that all of them didn't analysed all main texts (holy book , commentaries by theologians , others texts who are the foundation of this religion etc...) about their new religion.

Also I can saw that many of them don't have the basic scientifical knowledge (Cosmology , Evolution theory , Gravity etc...)

What is your opinion about that ?
Title: Re: My opinion about people who change of religion
Post by: Solitary on June 24, 2013, 03:39:11 PM
Sounds right to me. If they want to be born again I wish they would die and do it.  :shock:   :twisted: Solitary
Title: Re: My opinion about people who change of religion
Post by: viocjit on June 24, 2013, 05:23:24 PM
Quote from: "Solitary"Sounds right to me. If they want to be born again I wish they would die and do it.  :shock:   :twisted: Solitary

You made me laugh because I like your word game.
Title: Re: My opinion about people who change of religion
Post by: GSOgymrat on June 25, 2013, 11:59:37 PM
Some people change their religion for purely social reasons. He or she wants to be accepted by their spouse's family so they convert. It is very pragmatic.
Title: Re: My opinion about people who change of religion
Post by: Solitary on June 26, 2013, 12:53:09 AM
That's true for religion in general: it's pragmatic and works for people that believe in a magical God and why it will always be with us.  :roll: :Hangman:  Solitary
Title: Re: My opinion about people who change of religion
Post by: Hydra009 on June 26, 2013, 01:18:02 AM
Quote from: "viocjit"I think that people who leave their religion to change of religion are people who know that their religion is not the truth. Therefore they will make researches about others religions and will find a religion who can satisfy them.
The truth =/= satisfying.  A lot of people change over to what is "right for them" (i.e. beliefs that they find more appealing), but not a whole lot change over to more rational beliefs.
Title: Re: My opinion about people who change of religion
Post by: Aupmanyav on June 26, 2013, 09:40:23 AM
Quote from: "viocjit"Also I can saw that many of them don't have the basic scientifical knowledge (Cosmology, Evolution theory, Gravity etc...). What is your opinion about that?
Let me first mention that you need lessons in English grammar. Then I would like to know about your scientifical knowledge (Cosmology, Evolution theory, Gravity etc...).
Title: Re: My opinion about people who change of religion
Post by: leo on June 26, 2013, 09:43:46 AM
People that change religion don't realize all religions are bullshit .
Title: Re: My opinion about people who change of religion
Post by: Smartmarzipan on June 26, 2013, 02:48:45 PM
Quote from: "leo"People that change religion don't realize all religions are bullshit .

Right there. ^^

I changed religions. I was raised as a Christian, but as I learned more about the Bible and Christianity, I thought it was the wrong religion for me, so I looked for one that was better suited to my ideals. It had been ingrained in me that everyone needs a religion, even though I had questioned the existence of a deity a few times throughout the years. After Christianity, I practiced paganism for a few years. Eventually, I came to the realization that I was just trading in old bullshit for slightly better-looking bullshit. I don't need religion to dictate my life or explain the universe around me. I dropped all of it and never looked back.
Title: Re: My opinion about people who change of religion
Post by: Farroc on June 26, 2013, 05:19:17 PM
Quote from: "leo"People that change religion don't realize all religions are bullshit .
WHY IS THERE A SPACE BETWEEN YOUR SENTENCES AND PERIODS?!?










I'm sorry, but that's just been bugging me for a very long time. :-?
Title: Re: My opinion about people who change of religion
Post by: Jelly Penutbutter on July 01, 2013, 09:34:26 PM
My bestfriend is from around Boston, and he said that in the middle school that he went to some of the kids and their families would go through fad "religions".
Title: Re: My opinion about people who change of religion
Post by: Colanth on July 10, 2013, 11:58:53 PM
As Smartzie said, a person trading one religion for another is an addict trading one drug for another.  Something about Voltaire and wolves at the door.
Title: Re: My opinion about people who change of religion
Post by: frosty on July 14, 2013, 05:30:55 AM
It has been established since the beginning of recorded time that religion is always used for selfish purposes. If a believer is not using it for his own gain, then the priests and interpreters of the religion will use it for their own manipulation over the people. It happened "back then" and yes it still happens today.

The major psychological element behind religion, I believe, is comfort, alongside the "whatever works for you" element. People truly do not know what is really out there, they struggle to explain the world around them, and so they resort to a book, and an interpreter, and a community that circlejerks one another about how they know "the truth" when in reality they do not even know .00001 percent of the entire Universe we live in. Religion is for lazy, simple minds that would rather be told what to think than to discover things for themselves.
Title: Re: My opinion about people who change of religion
Post by: WitchSabrina on July 14, 2013, 06:48:08 AM
Quote from: "Smartmarzipan"
Quote from: "leo"People that change religion don't realize all religions are bullshit .

Right there. ^^

I changed religions. I was raised as a Christian, but as I learned more about the Bible and Christianity, I thought it was the wrong religion for me, so I looked for one that was better suited to my ideals. It had been ingrained in me that everyone needs a religion, even though I had questioned the existence of a deity a few times throughout the years. After Christianity, I practiced paganism for a few years. Eventually, I came to the realization that I was just trading in old bullshit for slightly better-looking bullshit. I don't need religion to dictate my life or explain the universe around me. I dropped all of it and never looked back.


This ^
Title: Re: My opinion about people who change of religion
Post by: leo on July 14, 2013, 11:42:53 AM
Quote from: "Farroc"
Quote from: "leo"People that change religion don't realize all religions are bullshit .
WHY IS THERE A SPACE BETWEEN YOUR SENTENCES AND PERIODS?!?










I'm sorry, but that's just been bugging me for a very long time. :-?
Dude I'm posting from my phone. Take it easy.
Title: Re: My opinion about people who change of religion
Post by: aitm on July 14, 2013, 11:46:46 AM
Quote from: "Farroc"
Quote from: "leo"People that change religion don't realize all religions are bullshit .
WHY IS THERE A SPACE BETWEEN YOUR SENTENCES AND PERIODS?!?










I'm sorry, but that's just been bugging me for a very long time. :-?

Then I....must drive you fuckin......nuts .
Title: Re: My opinion about people who change of religion
Post by: Hydra009 on July 14, 2013, 01:24:07 PM
Quote from: "aitm"Then I....must drive you fuckin......nuts .
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Yes.  That bugs me, too.  I keep thinking you're trailing off or something.
Title: Re: My opinion about people who change of religion
Post by: viocjit on July 25, 2013, 04:43:10 PM
I liked read yours POV. Seriously for those who take the religion of their husband or wife , I ask to myself if they believe what say their new religion.
Title: Re: My opinion about people who change of religion
Post by: Karon3E on July 25, 2013, 04:51:18 PM
Good points. But I'd rather have them change religions than to stick with one and not question anything else. The ones who know better will ultimately reach the same conclusion though.
Title: Re: My opinion about people who change of religion
Post by: frosty on July 25, 2013, 10:24:50 PM
In the old days, religion would only serve the heads of power that claimed to directly "speak" to "god". They would reap the material benefits of religion by plundering and pillaging the poor of everything they had, all under the justification of them having some type of special relationship with "god".

Now, things are much different, but it still happens. Priests, clerics and rabbis still manipulate their masses for money and other material gain, but the followers themselves have more power now considering it's 2013 and not 1302. Even the most sheepish delusional religious folk, as committed to their "faith" as they may be, still reap the benefits of living in a free system where their right to believe what they want is guaranteed. In turn, with the religious authorities off the backs of the people, individuals, just like the heads of power in the past, find a multitude of reasons to exploit whatever their religion may be for whatever purpose their minds can justify.

So when people convert to many different religions, or they basically "shop around" the 'religious market', it's because they, just like basically everyone else throughout existence that has believed in god and religion, are doing it for insert selfish reason here. People use god and religion to serve their own greedy wants and interests, and converting to multiple different religions is a sign that those individuals may be converting because X religion may allow them to do something that Y religion did not (if they are scripture literalists, or not, it depends).

It's all, after all, in the name of god. Ask any person of faith and I'm absolutely sure that basically all of them will believe that whatever path they are following is approved by god.
Title: Re: My opinion about people who change of religion
Post by: NilDesperandum on July 26, 2013, 11:20:29 PM
My opinion is people are looking for what fits their preconceived notions the best as not to cause cognitive dissonance. Everyone does it. As a scientist, I think your question is stupid, juvenile, and exhibits an embyo's level of consciousness.
Title: Re: My opinion about people who change of religion
Post by: WitchSabrina on July 27, 2013, 05:44:51 PM
Quote from: "NilDesperandum"My opinion is people are looking for what fits their preconceived notions the best as not to cause cognitive dissonance. Everyone does it. As a scientist, I think your question is stupid, juvenile, and exhibits an embyo's level of consciousness.


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Title: Re: My opinion about people who change of religion
Post by: leo on July 28, 2013, 09:49:07 AM
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"
Quote from: "NilDesperandum"My opinion is people are looking for what fits their preconceived notions the best as not to cause cognitive dissonance. Everyone does it. As a scientist, I think your question is stupid, juvenile, and exhibits an embyo's level of consciousness.


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I like this quote.
Title: Re: My opinion about people who change of religion
Post by: Solomon Zorn on September 23, 2013, 07:59:55 AM
I changed religions: from Christianity to Rock and Roll! 8-)
Title: Re: My opinion about people who change of religion
Post by: mykcob4 on September 23, 2013, 12:42:31 PM
Quote from: "Aupmanyav"
Quote from: "viocjit"Also I can saw that many of them don't have the basic scientifical knowledge (Cosmology, Evolution theory, Gravity etc...). What is your opinion about that?
Let me first mention that you need lessons in English grammar. Then I would like to know about your scientifical knowledge (Cosmology, Evolution theory, Gravity etc...).
I would venture a guess that the OP is not American and English is not their first language. The fact is that we, or most of us can understand what they are saying. That is good enough for me. I don't think that their grammer is in question here, only their theory.
Now to that:
People decide about their beliefs in as many ways as there are people. Most are brainwash/indoctrinated from an early age. Many are peer pressured or socialized to their belief. Cultural intimidation accounts for many beliefs. This not only dictates what to believe but enforces that all will stay inline and maintain that obedience.
The conservatives in this nation use Cultural Intimidation to that effect.
A few come to their beliefs and or nonbeliefs by critical thought and individual decission. Most of us here on this forum for example.
Now those that change:
For one reason or another the belief system that one has or had was not satisfying their specific needs.
Again Cultural Intimidation (called enlightenment) is the most usual cause. Actual brainwashing is a cuase. But most fascinating are the ones that change because they realize that all religion is bullshit and they finally wake up!
Title: Re: My opinion about people who change of religion
Post by: LikelyToBreak on September 23, 2013, 04:32:19 PM
Many do for social reasons, as many have said.  When I dropped out of Christianity, I explored different religions.  I think I was looking for a community I could belong to.  But, then I learned there are none.  All religions have a hierarchy and an absolutist doctrinal stance.   Which usually makes no sense whatsoever.

Except maybe for the Universal Life Church, which I am ordained in.  Which if you want to do many things in most states gives you license to do so.  Such as conducting a marriage ceremony.  Good political cover to, as when asked about your religion, you can say you are an ordained minister of the ULC.  The electorate don't need to know there are devout atheists in the ULC's ranks.  

Anyway, I think people change their religion for social reasons and to a lesser extent in a search for the "truth."