Two Minute Papers channel posted today a 3:46 minute vid on an OpenAI paper and demonstration of what pretty much is an AI extrapolating from 6 notes to create original music. Which makes me wonder: What exactly is creativity?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQA8Wzt8wdw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQA8Wzt8wdw)
For me, it seems, creativity is using present ideas and works, to create new, original, ideas and works based on the present ones. Creativity could also very well be created out of random noise, to see what sticks, but that isn't prudent to creativity per se IMO.
Also, as a side note, copyright will mean something else entirely when AI can create original works of art.
And I would go the opposite. I would think creativity would be actually coming up with the "prototype" without any outside influence. 30,000 yr ago sitting on the side of a river and watching a stick float by with a frog on it could easily summon the idea that we could do that as well, and a canoe is not far off. Thinking of a canoe while living in a desert would be damn ingenious. But as well, taking a simply idea and going ape shit, like building a canoe and then envision the Queen Mary might be a bit of a stretch...but certainly creative.
Most creativity, like most mutation, is a throw away. Actually harmful. But in a free market, the few really good ideas flourish.
Yes, extrapolation is more "creative" than "interpolation". This is exactly what Alan Turing was working on 66 years ago. But it has to go one better than a pseudorandom number generator he was working with. Turing was working with the very first computer games (checkers and chess) as well as computer generated poetry. The first two became everyday things, the third didn't. Music is highly mathematical, so it seems a good candidate, at least if the music is classical.
Sal, I agree with you on what you think creativity is about.
There must be a base to produce or create new works. By the way, the verb ''creat'' implies a wholly new thing that's non-existing before. That's the work of God : )...No any creative person can do this. Like i said, there must be a base.
Einstein couldn't improve the relativity theory without using the math invented by Newton.
And Newton couldn't invent calculus without the Indians who discovered zero.
And so on.
Demi-gods don't create ex-nihilo. But it is enough, is it not?
Quote from: Baruch on June 26, 2019, 08:50:10 PM
Demi-gods don't create ex-nihilo. But it is enough, is it not?
HEHEHEHEHEE
Quote from: SoldierofFortune on June 27, 2019, 10:03:34 AM
HEHEHEHEHEE
Painting consists in creatively mixing paints and putting them to canvas. But you don't create the elements that make up the materials.
I think "creativity" is "something new". The idea of paint is "creative". Using it isn't quite the same thing. The first homonid who cracked a rock and considered the edge was creative. The second who did a better job, maybe not so much. But the guy who attached one to a stick; that was creative.
The person who first blew chewed charcoal or ocher around his hand was creative, The next one (who did it better) wasn't. Unless he/she thought of it in a larger perspective was.
Maybe it's a difference between CREATIVE and creative.
If you were the caveman, I would have had you arrested for vandalizing the cave ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on July 13, 2019, 04:08:04 PM
If you were the caveman, I would have had you arrested for vandalizing the cave ;-)
If it weren't for people like me, you would be living in the world's cleanest cave.
Quote from: Cavebear on July 13, 2019, 04:11:37 PM
If it weren't for people like me, you would be living in the world's cleanest cave.
Only if we had some cave women.
Like Imogene Coca?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXB79q-XFac
I always wondered what candy Imogene liked ;-)
A 43 min long vid from Sept. 2017 with a presentation by Vinod Khosla pontificates about AI, some which are already reality today, less than 2 years later.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_D1CRyQDR1s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_D1CRyQDR1s)
Questions start around the 24 minute mark.
Quote from: Baruch on July 13, 2019, 06:46:36 PM
Only if we had some cave women.
Well, of course. Otherwise, you would probably be burping hip-deep in mead amphora and empty pizza boxes or something. I keep my own house impeccably clean, naturally (coff,coff)...
That is why men live outside. Natural scavengers take care of things.
Quote from: Baruch on August 01, 2019, 12:18:55 PM
That is why men live outside. Natural scavengers take care of things.
Outside? Without air-conditioning? No beer refrigerator in the basement? You've GOT to be kidding.
On the other hand, you have a point. Beyond a certain level, (ladies, do not read beyond this point) a house doesn't get any worse. Dirt actually decays and Brownian Motion carries it away. Other than the cats' litter boxes (which I tend to impeccably), I depend on this concept. I might add that it applies to cars as well. After I stopped washing it once a year, it never got worse. When a serious rain is coming, I park the car outside.
Don't over-read my humor. My house is not the Augean stables...
Quote from: Cavebear on August 01, 2019, 12:37:32 PM
Outside? Without air-conditioning? No beer refrigerator in the basement? You've GOT to be kidding.
On the other hand, you have a point. Beyond a certain level, (ladies, do not read beyond this point) a house doesn't get any worse. Dirt actually decays and Brownian Motion carries it away. Other than the cats' litter boxes (which I tend to impeccably), I depend on this concept. I might add that it applies to cars as well. After I stopped washing it once a year, it never got worse. When a serious rain is coming, I park the car outside.
Don't over-read my humor. My house is not the Augean stables...
The Arctic has its own advantages. No decay, but free refrigeration.
Quote from: Baruch on August 01, 2019, 03:18:41 PM
The Arctic has its own advantages. No decay, but free refrigeration.
Well, for now, but maybe not for much longer.
Quote from: Baruch on August 01, 2019, 03:18:41 PM
The Arctic has its own advantages. No decay, but free refrigeration.
For "now"...
I read about some people who cooked thawed mastodon meat newly exposed. Asked about the taste, they said "Well, it WAS rotten meat"...
nihilism, mysticism.
beginnings to tripping
the light fantastic.
Quote from: Gregory on February 27, 2020, 03:01:32 AM
nihilism, mysticism.
beginnings to tripping
the light fantastic.
Drugs, drugs, drugs ...
And please introduce yourself, or you are SPAM in a CAN.
Quote from: Baruch on February 27, 2020, 07:48:54 AM
Drugs, drugs, drugs ...
And please introduce yourself, or you are SPAM in a CAN.
How do you become a freethinking theist but by drugs.
Quote from: Gregory on February 27, 2020, 08:42:45 PM
How do you become a freethinking theist but by drugs.
I have met Jesus, and he had no weed, man.