Springfield Woman Accused of Using Antifreeze to Murder, Poison Family
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QuoteA Springfield woman is behind bars at the GreeneCounty jail after she allegedly killed members of her own family, according to authorities.
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Incidents started with Staudte's family last year when her husband Mark died in the family home in April. Staudte's son, Shawn, 26, then died in the home in September
After each death, Staudte had an explanation; her husband had been having seizures and her son had flu like symptoms. The Greene County Medical Examiner ruled them both to be natural causes.
Suspicions were raised, however, when Staudte's daughter was brought to Cox Hospital this June. It was soon discovered that she had been poisoning her own family.
QuoteThe statement goes on to say that Staudte visited her daughter in the hospital and her actions were described as 'inappropriate' by a nurse.
"She told me that Diane did not act how a mother should act," said McAmis. "She sai Diane was aware Sarah's condition was life threatening, but said Diane made jokes and laughed with hospital personnel... She said Diane told her she had a Florida vacation planned in the upcoming week. Diane told her she was still planning to take the vacation, no matter the status of Sarah."
The doctor describes Sarah's condition as very suspicious and he believed that the girl had possibly been poisoned, according to the statement.
QuoteEventually, Staudte admitted that she used anti-freeze to poison them all.
According to the statement, Staudte researched the use of anti-freeze as a poison on the Internet.
"She admitted that she poisoned Mark over a three day period," said McAmis. "She put the anti-freeze in his Gatorade. She stated she killed Mark because she hated him. She admitted that she poisoned Shawn over a two day period...because he was worse than a pest."
Staudte admitted to poisoning Sarah over a four day period because she would not get a job and she had student loans that had to be paid.
Sarah is expected to live, but may have permanent damage from the poison.
What in the ever-lovin' fuck.... :shock:
wow, I don't think she's gonna get mom of the year award.
Quote from: "aitm"wow, I don't think she's gonna get mom of the year award.
Well, 2 murders and one attempted might get her a needle for Mothers Day.
A family friend of ours spent a month in a coma after his wife 'spiked the punch' with antifreeze. Police did nothing. That was here in Ohio.
Needless to say he divorced her and fully recovered.
He is my daughters best friends dad..
By the way, his nitwit son is a teabgger republican and ironically receives welfare and foodstamps..
I hope I never have anyone I know a victim of even an attempt. I cant imagine having to deal with that. I have known people who have had friends commit suicide in front of them, but the worst I have ever had to suffer is normal health issues with family and friends who get old and die. Dealing with that is depressing enough. No sane people like losing loved ones, but to lose them to a murder, that has to be even worse.
She had terrific value judgments didn't she. I had friends, a husband and wife, with a son that they just let run wild. They were always taking about how they were jealous and it showed how much they loved each other. I told them that jealously was not love but hatred. Well her husband showed I was correct by shooting and killing her because her boss put his arm around her leaving work. He actually got away with it by following a book he got in France while in the service on how to kill your wife and get away with it. I told the Florida detectives about the book as well as others did, but they said they didn't find the book and didn't believe us. :cry: :evil:
PS There was a man at this forum at the time that posted about a picture from a video camera someone put on the forum showing a girl talking to a stranger that got kidnaped. He found out later that it was his niece who got raped and killed. :shock: :cry: :evil: Solitary
Oddly enough the antidote to antifreeze is ethanol. I read one account of a guy who wanted to commit suicide using antifreeze. Before he downed the antifreeze he decided that he should get flat out drunk to numb the pain of death...ended up having a hell of a hangover.
I think the murder rate is a bit higher than most people suspect. Most poisoners aren't caught on the first victim, and I imagine most poisoners stop at one.
So are we going to have to outlaw guns and antifreeze now? Or are we ready to talk a about how mental health, shifts in parenting method and possibly shifts in the culture in general have as much to do with the homicide rate as the availability of guns?
> ...mental health, shifts in parenting method and possibly shifts in the culture in general have as much to do with the homicide rate as the availability of guns
If mental health, shifts in parenting method and possibly shifts in the culture in general have as much to do with the homicide rate as the availability of guns, and we should do something about them, then we should do something about the availability of guns.
Frank
What about the availability of antifreeze?
> What about the availability of antifreeze?
Well, let's see... There are about 30,000 deaths in the US from firearms. How many deaths result from antifreeze? Not as dangerous, is it?
Also, it's a totally inappropriate comparison. If all antifreeze disappeared overnight, come winter, cars wouldn't run, and that would destroy the US economy, since most people depend on cars to get to work and shopping. If all the privately owned firearms disappeared, there would be almost no impact whatsoever, except gun nuts would be louder than usual. There may be a few farmers who use guns to kill predators, and one or two families that still depend on hunting for meat. But that's about it.
The landmark CDC study showed that gun ownership increased the likelihood of being shot. It was so convincing that immediately after it was released, the NRA passed a law that made it illegal for the CDC to do research on gun statistics.
Frank
I had to check the names to determine this wasn't my hex-wife.
One has to wonder about how qualified the medical examiner was, even vets know when a dog dies from antifreeze. :roll: Solitary
Quote from: "Solitary"One has to wonder about how qualified the medical examiner was, even vets know when a dog dies from antifreeze. :roll: Solitary
Oh, you say your husband was having seizures, even though it was never documented in his medical files? That's good enough. Hey, Phil, would you mark this guy down as "natural causes"? Oh, and uh, are we ordering out for lunch? What are we having? Panera? Yeah, get me a panini. Oh! And a cookie! Thanks.
Quote from: "FrankDK"> What about the availability of antifreeze?
Well, let's see... There are about 30,000 deaths in the US from firearms. How many deaths result from antifreeze? Not as dangerous, is it?
Also, it's a totally inappropriate comparison. If all antifreeze disappeared overnight, come winter, cars wouldn't run, and that would destroy the US economy, since most people depend on cars to get to work and shopping. If all the privately owned firearms disappeared, there would be almost no impact whatsoever, except gun nuts would be louder than usual. There may be a few farmers who use guns to kill predators, and one or two families that still depend on hunting for meat. But that's about it.
The landmark CDC study showed that gun ownership increased the likelihood of being shot. It was so convincing that immediately after it was released, the NRA passed a law that made it illegal for the CDC to do research on gun statistics.
Frank
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Obviously antifreeze isn't used to kill as often as guns are. Forgive me but, duh. The point is, taking away the guns doesn't solve the problem. Doesn't even slow it down all that much. Cases like this one illustrate that quite clearly. If people want to kill, they will find a way. That is the point. So if you want to solve the problem of people wanting to kill other people, trying to limit access to the most commonly used tools is really piss poor way to do it IMO.
Also if you think the number of people that use guns to kill predictors is only a
few farmers and that only
one or two families depend on hunting for meat in this country I suggest you try to get out a little more.
QuoteIf people want to kill, they will find a way.
Fortunately you can arm yourself against death by anti-freeze quite well by not eating the sandwich the burglar offers you, though :)
Jesus fuckin Christ on a booster rocket! The homicide rate is at a historic low in the US for whatever reason. Can we not just all agree that this woman was fuckin nuts?
Quote from: "Plu"QuoteIf people want to kill, they will find a way.
Fortunately you can arm yourself against death by anti-freeze quite well by not eating the sandwich the burglar offers you, though :)
I know you're just being cute and snarky and I'm good with that. But its the end of a 20 hour day for me and I'm so fried I can hardly see straight. So you'll have to forgive me if I sound preachy but topics like this just get under my skin. I have known my share of people who became homicide statistics, and in my personal experience anyway, absolutely none of them got to be a homicide statistic because of a gun or a bullet.
Do we have a problem with people being too quick to want to kill other people in this country? Absofuckinglutely. And something needs to be done about it.
But one kids kills some other people with a gun and its headline news and there are multiple threads on dozens of forums all talking about how something needs to be done and we need to take action and so on and so forth. And then some woman kills her own family with antifreeze and it doesn't make national news at all and the single thread on about it on a internet forum consists mainly of the people saying 'eh, crazy bitch killed her family. Damnedest thing.' And that annoys me to no end.
Don't be mad about the one and want to pass a bunch of ill conceived laws as a result unless you're going to do the exact same about the other because its the same problem in both cases and it requires the same solution in both cases.
While I agree with you, I do wonder if gun culture has something to do with it. It just dawned on me when I read the topic about Popeye's shooting range and posting pictures of his guns. The general reaction he gets is "You have tools designed to kill. You're so cool."
If someone were to post pictures of his guns where I live, the most likely response would be "You're a fucking nutjob".
Likewise when you look at the military. In the US you are automatically a hero for going out and killing "dem foreigners". Where I live, it's just a job.
One most wonder if the attitude you have towards tools designed to kill and the people wielding said tools aren't among the reasons that people in the US are so quick to kill other people. Banning guns won't be the final solution, but the culture built around them is certainly a part of the problem I'd think.
And also dealing with mental health problems, but considering the amount of protest against the whole concept of national healthcare, well, it seems people don't really feel like dealing with those either.
Quote from: "billhilly"Jesus fuckin Christ on a booster rocket! The homicide rate is at a historic low in the US for whatever reason. Can we not just all agree that this woman was fuckin nuts?
Most of us generally put up with one another and can go our whole lives without killing one another. Then there are a few like this particular woman who is missing more than just a little bit of "empathy" which can result in impulsive, irrational, and in rare cases, homicidal tendencies.
Wouldn't our money be better spent learning how to recognize such aberrant personality types? It seems pretty obvious that your average citizen isn't going to go out and shoot, poison, run-over, or by some other means, kill someone - regardless of what tools are available.
I could theoretically grab the kitchen knife and kill my boyfriend in his sleep if I choose to do so. What would you think would be the more rational choice to prevent and/or manage such occurrences: outlaw kitchen knives from the general public or fund mental health outreach programs to help identify and if possible, rehabilitate those with distorted cognitions?
And yes, this woman is fucking nuts.
Quote from: "Plu"While I agree with you, I do wonder if gun culture has something to do with it. It just dawned on me when I read the topic about Popeye's shooting range and posting pictures of his guns. The general reaction he gets is "You have tools designed to kill. You're so cool."
I'm not familiar with what you're referencing so I can't really comment on it. But yes, we most definitely have a gun culture in this country. And again, we could have banned all guns on the day I was born and every single person I've known who became a homicide statistic would have still been a homicide statistic. So does our gun culture have something to do with the problem? Not significantly as far as I can tell. Contributing factor? Sure, absolutely. The root of the problem? Not even close.
QuoteIf someone were to post pictures of his guns where I live, the most likely response would be "You're a fucking nutjob".
That is no different here. Certainly there would be more people here who likely say 'eh, cool gun' but the
most likely response would still be the same.
QuoteIn the US you are automatically a hero for going out and killing "dem foreigners".
Says who? I won't deny that there a people in this country who feel this way. But I don't feel this way. My friends and family don't feel this way. The majority of the people I know don't feel this way.
QuoteOne most wonder if the attitude you have towards tools designed to kill and the people wielding said tools aren't among the reasons that people in the US are so quick to kill other people. Banning guns won't be the final solution, but the culture built around them is certainly a part of the problem I'd think.
Fair enough. I disagree, but fair enough. So my question is do we solve the problem of car exhaust damaging the atmosphere by only allowing people to drive cars 2 hours per day or do we solve the problem by making cars that don't damage the atmosphere?
You don't solve the homicide problem by trying to take away the most common tools. You solve the homicide problem by solving the fucking homicide problem. And yeah, that's a tough cookie to crack. But where's the discussion on that? Where's Piers Morgan on that? Nowhere, that's where.
Quote from: "Solitary"One has to wonder about how qualified the medical examiner was, even vets know when a dog dies from antifreeze. :roll: Solitary
There is no diagnostic other than acute renal failure and a history of the dog being allowed near antifreeze. That isn't exactly first to mind when a human dies of it.
Dealing with murder in general is to pervasive and vague. It's like dealing with moisture in a hurricane and subsequent floods. Poison? Really? Hundreds of 1000's exist in nature alone plus the gazillion produced by humans..
Mental health care in the US is a joke so trying to attack the root of murder? Greed, envy, lust, revenge? Maybe the ten commandments? I know.. go after the root of all evil.. WOMEN!
Well, that's what Pat Robertson might say anyway.. :-k
And here I thought I was going to read a thread about a woman who poisoned her family. I should have known better.
At first I was wondering if this was one of those Munchousen by proxy cases, but no, seems like she did not want sympathy or attention, she just wanted them dead. The coldbloodedness reminds me of Dianne Downs or Anthony Casey.
QuotePoison? Really? Hundreds of 1000's exist in nature alone plus the gazillion produced by humans..
The problem with poison is that it simply describes anything that would disrupt the working of the human body. And the human body is one of the most complex machines we've ever encountered, and taking away any few small parts will have it falling apart.
It's the same reason that drugs come in such numbers and are so easy to make; a drug is simply a weak poison that disrupts the proper workings of the brain. Which is the most complicated part of the most complicated machine.
It's why the stuff is so impossible to deal with.
Johan might have a case if the majority of violence was committed by the mentally ill. I disagree with this premise so I find her entire argument lacking.
As for the subject on topic: Yeah, most likely some sort of psycho person with mental issues. It's scary... you never know who might be fundamentally broken in the head to the point they would do something like this. Family, friends, neighbour, co-worker, spouse... it could be anyone. Some people have some... obvious... signs, but alot don't.
Quote from: "Plu"If someone were to post pictures of his guns where I live, the most likely response would be "You're a fucking nutjob".
It's not all that different here. Most people wouldn't think you were cool for posting pictures of yourself with your guns. They would think you were a little weird.
I didn't neccesarily mean "posing with guns", I meant like the general "Look at what I bought" kind of post. The whole idea of telling people that you have or collect guns would be met with distrust and negative responses.
Quote from: "Plu"I didn't neccesarily mean "posing with guns", I meant like the general "Look at what I bought" kind of post. The whole idea of telling people that you have or collect guns would be met with distrust and negative responses.
It would probably be more a roll of the eyes here. You wouldn't automatically distrust the person, but the issue of trust would certainly cross your mind. And you're right. Just a collection of guns might not illicit an automatic response, but a guy dressed up like Poncho Villa decked out with his bandoliers and pearl handles holstered with grips forward, well you wouldn't have any desire to hang out with that guy.
Quote from: "Shiranu"Johan might have a case if the majority of violence was committed by the mentally ill. I disagree with this premise so I find her entire argument lacking.
As for the subject on topic: Yeah, most likely some sort of psycho person with mental issues
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Well, guns, like it or not make killing real fucking easy.. Anyone with a finger can do it.. MOST people have them..
Poison takes a bit of planning and you can use all kinds of shit readily available almost anywhere. For that matter you can poison someone with minute amounts of fecal matter and not have to buy a damned thing.. Still, with guns..it doesn't take a hell of a lot of planning.. Poison takes malice and forethought so someone poisoning someone else might not be deranged, just a fucking piece of shit.. Shitty people are everywhere and a whole shit load of em have guns too..
> And here I thought I was going to read a thread about a woman who poisoned her family. I should have known better.
There's an article in the latest Scientific American (July 2013) that indicates men are more likely to kill a significant other (or anyone else, for that matter) with a gun than any other means. Women, however, are more likely to kill a significant other or family member with a blunt object, knife, or poison than with a gun.
Frank
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"Well, guns, like it or not make killing real fucking easy.. Anyone with a finger can do it.. MOST people have them..
Poison takes a bit of planning and you can use all kinds of shit readily available almost anywhere. For that matter you can poison someone with minute amounts of fecal matter and not have to buy a damned thing.. Still, with guns..it doesn't take a hell of a lot of planning.. Poison takes malice and forethought so someone poisoning someone else might not be deranged, just a fucking piece of shit.. Shitty people are everywhere and a whole shit load of em have guns too..
In one case, someone I knew was stabbed to death when he made the unfortunate mistake of getting into a fight with his lover while his lover was off his meds. In another case, there was a local woman I knew who was strangled to death. Not a whole lot of pre-planning going on in either of those scenarios. No guns either.
I have said many times that gun laws in this country need to be more restrictive. I still stand by that. But I also believe that trying to control guns is not the way to fix the homicide problem in this country anymore than I believe bubble gum is the way to fix a leaking roof. And that is what I think this particular case helps to show. That's all I'm saying.
Quote from: "Johan"Quote from: "Shiranu"Johan might have a case if the majority of violence was committed by the mentally ill. I disagree with this premise so I find her entire argument lacking.
As for the subject on topic: Yeah, most likely some sort of psycho person with mental issues
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Oh, I didn't realize one case by a mentally ill woman therefor means all murder cases are caused by mentally ill people. Damn, I do deserve a face palm...
Come on now.
Quote from: "Shiranu"Quote from: "Johan"Quote from: "Shiranu"Johan might have a case if the majority of violence was committed by the mentally ill. I disagree with this premise so I find her entire argument lacking.
As for the subject on topic: Yeah, most likely some sort of psycho person with mental issues
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Oh, I didn't realize one case by a mentally ill woman therefor means all murder cases are caused by mentally ill people. Damn, I do deserve a face palm...
Come on now.
No, you didn't realize that I was talking about more issues than just people being mentally ill. We live in a desensitized culture (compared to when are parents were kids) and people are much more apt to kill now than they were when I was a kid. That doesn't mean they're mentally ill, but it does mean that the problem of people being more apt to kill others has more to do with people, and culture, and parenting, and yes even mental illness than it has to do with guns. You completely missed that. So yeah, it gets a facepalm.
Oh and Johan is a boys name. So yeah, that gets a facepalm too.
The desensitized thing is BS, though I grant the rest (parenting, mental illness, etc.). People are actually far LESS likely to kill another person now than at any other time in human history. Murder rates, despite having a nearly 1:1 per capta rate of guns in the US, and our shiity mental health coverage, is at an all time low and still dropping.
The desensitized argument usuaaly blames movies-TV and/or video games, though all recent studies show no correlation. So maybe it would help if you clarified what you mean by desensitized, and also links showing murder to be more common now than say, 20 or 50 or 100 years ago.
Here are links showing the plumiting murder rates, though the first link tries to link it with lead, the fact is murder is down regardless of why.
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QuoteNo, you didn't realize that I was talking about more issues than just people being mentally ill. We live in a desensitized culture (compared to when are parents were kids) and people are much more apt to kill now than they were when I was a kid.
Already refuted.
QuoteThat doesn't mean they're mentally ill, but it does mean that the problem of people being more apt to kill others has more to do with people, and culture, and parenting, and yes even mental illness than it has to do with guns.
Again refuted, but I agree with this. But if you are going to say, "See! It is a bigger issue than just guns!" on a story about a woman with mental illness... well, its hard not to think about mental illness.
And its funny you talk about culture, when its the pro-gun culture that is a part of the problem. Do you only mean the parts of culture YOU think is the problem?
QuoteOh and Johan is a boys name. So yeah, that gets a facepalm too.
I have a family member who goes by Johan, her name being Johana. She is obviously a she. Therefor since all the Johan's I know are female, my obvious thought would be... female.