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QuoteWhy should we continue to help fund schools that don’t allow a free exchange of ideas?

During a recent speech to the Conservative Political Action Conference, President Trump floated the idea of an executive order withholding federal research dollars from schools that don’t protect speech and free inquiry. Conservatives rightly cheered, but there’s more to be done to preserve and advance right-of-center views on the quad.

Left-wing academe and its media cheerleaders, of course, don’t even acknowledge there’s a problem. A piece in the Washington Post following Trump’s speech was headlined: “Questions abound after Trump threatens to strip funding from colleges that don’t support free speech.”

The article quoted many people ostensibly supportive of free speech who were nevertheless concerned about Trump’s plan.

They don’t get it.

Jonathan Friedman, campus free-speech project director for PEN America, was quoted as saying that “colleges are not the enemy of free speech that this administration has sometimes made them out to be.”

But they are exactly that. Colleges are educating a generation of young adults who can’t hear ­opposing viewpoints. That this is dangerous to freedom of speech should be obvious.

Sigal Ben-Porath, a professor of education, political science and philosophy at the University of Pennsylvania, was also quoted in the Washington Post’s report, warning that Trump’s proposal is “thought-police territory.”

Ben-Porath has written a book ­titled “Free Speech on Campus,” yet she treats efforts to protect viewpoint diversity on campus as somehow straight out of a dystopian future. Ben-Porath has previously referred to “the focus on free speech as a wedge issue” and ­argued that free speech on campus is not under attack.

Again, this is plainly untrue â€" as any conservative or libertarian speaker who has ever been invited to speak on a university campus knows. Nowadays, it’s rare when such invitations aren’t met with calls for censorship, physical ­intimidation and violence and eventual dis-invitations.

QuoteBut they are exactly that. Colleges are educating a generation of young adults who can’t hear ­opposing viewpoints

And you'd never apply that to fucking FOX "News" would you?

The only people to start a war are ...

1. People who think there is a winner
2. That they will be the winners.

The Progressives started a political war, can they finish it?

Quote from: Baruch on March 11, 2019, 07:11:20 PM
The Progressives started a political war,

They did? Which war would that be?

Just to be clear, for our OP ...

I am not in favor of funding our colleges at all.  With the Internet, most of them became obsolete.  Whether the government subsidizes buggy whip manufacturers, or gets apprentice buggy whip workers to go into obscene debt ... isn't my problem.  Mostly people in history continue to do the same old thing that used to work, until it doesn't anymore.  With anything, if continued long enough, even if it did work at one time (GI Bill veterans in college in the 50s), it will eventually stop working.

Quote from: Unbeliever on March 11, 2019, 07:13:05 PM
They did? Which war would that be?

You are the funniest guy here (when not obviously in a depressive episode).

University of California, SDS 1965 Berkeley CA ... and the beat goes on ...

The Yippies took a breather 1972-1992 ... they had to find jobs.  But with Bill Clinton they came out of hibernation.  Just ask Cavebear ;-)

QuoteBut they are exactly that. Colleges are educating a generation of young adults who can’t hear ­opposing viewpoints. That this is dangerous to freedom of speech should be obvious.

Citation required.

Quote from: Shiranu on March 12, 2019, 12:27:22 AM
Citation required.

Some departments in some US colleges, don't support free speech.  But what to do about that?  In Europe, PC and hate speech law basically bans free speech.

Quote from: Baruch on March 12, 2019, 01:06:34 AM
Some departments in some US colleges, don't support free speech.  But what to do about that?  In Europe, PC and hate speech law basically bans free speech.

Shhhh, baruch!  Big brother is watching!

You'll get me in trouble by asociation.

Oh for fuck sake. This Conservative talk show bullshit again. Colleges do not restrict free thought. They do just the opposite. They teach critical thinking skills. The longer one spends in college the more likely they are to be Liberal, but not because their professors and classmates are putting pressure on them, but because critical thinking exposes the bullshit the Right fundamentally relies on. Indoctrination breeds Conservatives. Education breeds Liberals.

Furthermore, just because an opinion exists doesn't mean it deserves equal attention. Should geology classes teach flat earth philosophy? Should psychology classes teach the opinion of some religious people who think mental diseases don't exist and that prayer is all people need to be healed? Of course not. If an opinion is baseless, it deserves no consideration. Yet that is exactly what Conservatives demand in schools and colleges. Christian and Conservative propaganda given equal time.

Quote from: Mr.Obvious on March 12, 2019, 01:34:05 AM
Shhhh, baruch!  Big brother is watching!

You'll get me in trouble by asociation.

Guy Verhoefstadt ... Belgians have him to atone for.  Cringe-worthy.  He is the Belgian Big Brother.

If colleges are to be defunded for any reason, it should be for bleeding their students dry. Overcharging for tuition, books, etc. If they're getting money from the government and still feel the need to charge over $100 for a single textbook, maybe they shouldn't be getting funding. They don't always use the money they get responsibly either. I remember one of my professors complaining about them repainting their walls, which were not the least bit worn out. They weren't even changing the color. "That's our tax money at work," he said. Meanwhile, the elevator was notorious for being slow and occasionally leaving people stuck.

Quote from: Blackleaf on March 12, 2019, 11:23:31 AM
If colleges are to be defunded for any reason, it should be for bleeding their students dry. Overcharging for tuition, books, etc. If they're getting money from the government and still feel the need to charge over $100 for a single textbook, maybe they shouldn't be getting funding. They don't always use the money they get responsibly either. I remember one of my professors complaining about them repainting their walls, which were not the least bit worn out. They weren't even changing the color. "That's our tax money at work," he said. Meanwhile, the elevator was notorious for being slow and occasionally leaving people stuck.

I don't know how closely involved the universities are (i'm going to assume heavily), but the pricing of textbooks is set by corporations and not the schools themselves. That said, I am sure the universities are heavily involved in the pricing process so that's not to take any blame from them... just to say that the blame needs to be on all parties involved.

Tuition is the real killer. My mom was able to work a part-time job and pay her way through school without taking a single loan. To make enough to pay for my tuition a semester if I had no other expenses (on an average salary here), I would need to work 40 hours a week... which is basically impossible because of class schedules and no one hiring full-time.

That's 40 hours a week that would go straight to tuition, not counting other fees and costs related to school... and not counting housing, gas, utilities, car payments, car insurance, internet, student loan payments, medical payments, food, leisure and everything else that comes up where you need to spend money.

I pay about $220 a month on student loans, $80 on cellphone, $260 on car payments and insurance, $80 gasoline, $125 on medical bills... so in total about $760 in bills, while only making about $800 a month... which is what most people I know in college make. And unlike them, I'm not currently paying rent, which has skyrocketed in university towns... the average here is about $1000 a month.

It is, simply, an unsustainable system; we are up to something like 1.6 or 1.7 trillion dollars worth of student loan debt and most of us have to live paycheck to paycheck to get by. That won't change once we graduate and as prices continue to rise on everything more and more of us are going to have to default and have our lives (and our families, because we cannot file for bankruptcy and student debt collectors come after not just you but your families' assets and credit) destroyed.

I've noticed drug use and alcoholism tends to be a real problem for my generation, myself included... but I don't see what our alternative is. Deal with that sober?

Correct.  Once the publishers figured out that textbooks were being traded from older students to younger students, they jacked up the price.  This wasn't the case in the 70s when I was an undergraduate.  To my mind, the best professors don't use any textbooks at all, just notes.

OK, I'm going to express the idea that one side is deliberately and falsifiably inaccurate and wrong, and the other side is just really bad a politics.  Do you want to guess which I think is which before reading further?

OK, "spoiler alert", Republicans generally don't actually care about facts and consider all politics just a big game to be won (usually) for money and influence.  Democrats are caring and real "Boy and Girl Scouts" and think that facts matter and that Government is really about governing for the whole, fairly and with compromise.

So Republicans are all wanna-be dictators and Democrats are naive dreamers...

That's the simplistic view of both sides. 

I was a Republican for years and I know how they think (winning at life is everything and pushing at the rules is the way to win).  I'm a Democrat now.  I want all of us to succeed, I want the world to succeed.  It's possible. 

If Republicans had ruled the world from ancient days, we would be living in highly organized and hierarchical very clean caves where some people got a lot more food than others.  If Democrats had ruled the same time, we would probably be living in rather disorganized caves, but everyone eating about the same. 

We need both in the US for balance.  But what we do NOT NEED is a Donald Trump and his criminal associates.  Trump is neither a Republican nor a Democrat.  He is a con man, a grifter, and liar about everything.   His instinct is to lie.  So far as I can tell, it instinctual to him to lie.  We do not want someone like that in charge of our Government.

I leave you to draw the logical conclusion of how the Special Investigator and Congressional Committees will decide.

Cavebear, we are brothers by a different mother ...

"I was a Republican for years and I know how they think (winning at life is everything and pushing at the rules is the way to win).  I'm a Democrat now.  I want all of us to succeed, I want the world to succeed.  It's possible."

I was a Democrat for years and I know how they think (being a grifting cuck is everything).  I'm Independent now.  I want all of us to succeed, I want the world to succeed.  It's possible. 

Quote from: Baruch on March 14, 2019, 03:25:21 AM
Cavebear, we are brothers by a different mother ...

"I was a Republican for years and I know how they think (winning at life is everything and pushing at the rules is the way to win).  I'm a Democrat now.  I want all of us to succeed, I want the world to succeed.  It's possible."

I was a Democrat for years and I know how they think (being a grifting cuck is everything).  I'm Independent now.  I want all of us to succeed, I want the world to succeed.  It's possible.

I would like to say that I'm Independent (and I think of myself as such because I don't have any great loyalty, per se, to the Democratic Party), but I always end up voting Democratic because the Republicans are such a bunch of damn "gimme, gimme, gimme" elitist pricks that I can never find one to vote for.

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Quote from: your_dude_james on March 14, 2019, 10:36:58 AM
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Wow. You've just lost any ounce of credibility. You're comparing college, where people learn scientifically supported facts, to a cult that makes ridiculous, unsupported claims about aliens and demons. I'm starting to see why other atheist groups have "disappointed you." It's because they couldn't take you seriously.

Quote from: Cavebear on March 14, 2019, 03:37:23 AM
I would like to say that I'm Independent (and I think of myself as such because I don't have any great loyalty, per se, to the Democratic Party), but I always end up voting Democratic because the Republicans are such a bunch of damn "gimme, gimme, gimme" elitist pricks that I can never find one to vote for.

I do agree that balance is generally a good thing. But we need a better alternative to Republicans. Right now, Democrats are the only reasonable choice. If, perhaps, the Republican Party were to fall out of favor, another Conservative party would rise in their place. One that doesn't support pseudoscience and theocratic policies, and one that has an ounce of integrity, but I won't hold my breath. Trump is the worst the Republicans have to offer, all their weaknesses made plain for all to see, and yet Republicans continue to support him and make excuses for him, and so-called Centrists still think Hillary would have been just as bad or worse. Trump is going to win a second term, just watch. I don't have much hope for America's future.

Quote from: Blackleaf on March 14, 2019, 10:52:05 AM
I do agree that balance is generally a good thing. But we need a better alternative to Republicans. Right now, Democrats are the only reasonable choice. If, perhaps, the Republican Party were to fall out of favor, another Conservative party would rise in their place. One that doesn't support pseudoscience and theocratic policies, and one that has an ounce of integrity, but I won't hold my breath. Trump is the worst the Republicans have to offer, all their weaknesses made plain for all to see, and yet Republicans continue to support him and make excuses for him, and so-called Centrists still think Hillary would have been just as bad or worse. Trump is going to win a second term, just watch. I don't have much hope for America's future.

I agree with you more than you might realize.  But Trump IS the new conservative party.  That's the hard thing to accept...

And if you will all forgive me... "Please God, can we have Mitt Romney instead somehow?"

Quote from: Blackleaf on March 14, 2019, 10:43:20 AM
Wow. You've just lost any ounce of credibility. You're comparing college, where people learn scientifically supported facts, to a cult that makes ridiculous, unsupported claims about aliens and demons. I'm starting to see why other atheist groups have "disappointed you." It's because they couldn't take you seriously.

This is only true of STEM. Any other major and you basically just learn how to be a protester.

And seriously all these -isms they love to churn out basically are a book on demonology and UFO sightings. Leftism is a cult.

Quote from: Cavebear on March 14, 2019, 12:25:07 PM
I agree with you more than you might realize.  But Trump IS the new conservative party.  That's the hard thing to accept...

And if you will all forgive me... "Please God, can we have Mitt Romney instead somehow?"

To Hillary you are a "deplorable" to Mitt ... says he "isn't worried about you" poor folk.  Sith always come in twos.

Yes, Mitt, the guy who brought you a Republican think-tank health plan to Massachusetts and then had it stolen by Obama.  You love the ACA, for everyone else, now that you are on Medicare.

Quote from: Shiranu on March 12, 2019, 11:59:51 PM
It is, simply, an unsustainable system; we are up to something like 1.6 or 1.7 trillion dollars worth of student loan debt and most of us have to live paycheck to paycheck to get by.

Something that makes me really angry about that is that the Republicans not too long ago passed a two trillion tax cut that overwhelmingly benefited corporations and the very rich. Taking that money and eliminating student debt could drastically improve the lives of younger people, and help you avoid a lifetime of poverty that the debt begins.

Quote from: Shiranu on March 12, 2019, 11:59:51 PMThat won't change once we graduate and as prices continue to rise on everything more and more of us are going to have to default and have our lives (and our families, because we cannot file for bankruptcy and student debt collectors come after not just you but your families' assets and credit) destroyed.

Not to mention, nobody wants to pay much when you graduate anyway. If the degree isn't practical, most will never dig their way out of the college debt.  I personally don't recommend going to college for anything but a STEM degree that will actually pay for itself over time, and do not even start if you are not hell bent on finishing. Personally, I think many people would be better off going to trade schools.

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Quote from: Shiranu on March 12, 2019, 11:59:51 PM
I don't know how closely involved the universities are (i'm going to assume heavily), but the pricing of textbooks is set by corporations and not the schools themselves. That said, I am sure the universities are heavily involved in the pricing process so that's not to take any blame from them... just to say that the blame needs to be on all parties involved.

Many classes could get by without overpriced text books at all. Of course, this doesn't make corporations or the university more money.

https://www.oercommons.org/hubs/open-textbooks?gclid=CjwKCAjwmq3kBRB_EiwAJkNDp-2at8a34hfHRQb9uGMaeBG27x_UwJq-NKUK00QLUkVhOBN2oGeRTBoCpXwQAvD_BwE

Quote from: your_dude_james on March 14, 2019, 05:16:35 PM
This is only true of STEM. Any other major and you basically just learn how to be a protester.

And seriously all these -isms they love to churn out basically are a book on demonology and UFO sightings. Leftism is a cult.

"Only one is true and right, all others are baaad and false. Because they are a cult!" LOL


The way of expression alone you used to define it -whatever you think you are defining in your head- as a cult, is a hilarious example of irony. Will the right wing wonders ever cease to shine?

It's impossible to change your biological gender.

Nobody gives a shit what you "identify" as. Nobody's obliged to read your mind to figure out what "identity" you woke up as.

Gender isn't just "performance", there are biological differences between the sexes.

Wanting to chop off your dick isn't healthy. People who chop off their dicks are mentally ill and shouldn't be listened to.

The list of disputes to the left's obvious lies goes on and on. The only reason they don't get called out more often or even beaten down for them is because of institutional support.

And I'm not right wing. As an example, I'm okay with abortion because it's voluntary eugenics. People who want abortions are degenerates and are doing the world a favor by cutting themselves out of the gene pool.

Atheists by and large didn't really abandon "god". They just replaced "god" with "multiculturalism" and "inclusivity" and other such bullshit.

Quote from: your_dude_james on March 15, 2019, 01:11:46 PM
And I'm not right wing. As an example, I'm okay with abortion because it's voluntary eugenics. People who want abortions are degenerates and are doing the world a favor by cutting themselves out of the gene pool.

A man can find himself in west, by only travelling east.

Quote from: your_dude_james on March 15, 2019, 01:11:46 PM
It's impossible to change your biological gender.

Nobody gives a shit what you "identify" as. Nobody's obliged to read your mind to figure out what "identity" you woke up as.

Gender isn't just "performance", there are biological differences between the sexes.

Wanting to chop off your dick isn't healthy. People who chop off their dicks are mentally ill and shouldn't be listened to.

The list of disputes to the left's obvious lies goes on and on. The only reason they don't get called out more often or even beaten down for them is because of institutional support.

And I'm not right wing. As an example, I'm okay with abortion because it's voluntary eugenics. People who want abortions are degenerates and are doing the world a favor by cutting themselves out of the gene pool.

Atheists by and large didn't really abandon "god". They just replaced "god" with "multiculturalism" and "inclusivity" and other such bullshit.

Well, nobody gives a fuck what you think you identify as. It's clear.

Do you realise, there isn't one thing up there in that list that would affect you or your life, ever? But you sound angry about it all and what's more, you actually sound like you demand these to be, to happen as the way you are stating them.   

And after presenting the basic definition of a right winger, a person who is threatened or angry about perfect strangers' genitals, gender or what they want to do with them, how do they want to call themselves, if they want to have a kid or not; simply what to do with their own bodies, deciding what is healthy for them or not, you try to preach what atheism is or should be to a forum full of atheists.

I admit, you turned the abortion issue into a bit of a sentimental one for me for a moment, because between real life and your bullshit, I am annoyed that noone thought of aborting you and now we are to look at your posts that will repeat itself over and over and over and over again in every thread. How inconsiderate.   

Quote from: Mr.Obvious on March 15, 2019, 02:00:25 PM
A man can find himself in west, by only travelling east.

I'm banning the civilised lot from engaging with right winger newbies, because they actually think they 'touch' people with their precious vision of the world. :ppp   

@drunkenshoe Wow I really hit a nerve didn't I. One person complains about institutionalized bullshit in an abstract sense and now you wish death upon him. Weak. You're weak. And deranged. But of course I already knew that.

Quote from: your_dude_james on March 15, 2019, 02:30:40 PM
@drunkenshoe Wow I really hit a nerve didn't I. One person complains about institutionalized bullshit in an abstract sense and now you wish death upon him. Weak. You're weak. And deranged. But of course I already knew that.

LOOL He is a pink ass.

No sweety, I haven't had any abortions. I definitely would, if I got pregnant though, because I have never wanted kids. I just didn't need one. I give similar responses to anyone with the same bullshit. Thinking that you hit a nerve, just because I reacted is something like someone claiming that you actually want to 'cut your penis' off but can't get it over with according to your previous post. Can you follow that?

You are a grown man. You come here and declare anyone having an abortion as 'degenerates' and blurt a lot of bullshit, but when someone says 'too bad nobody aborted you' which is practically a terrible joke but nothing more, you come back with 'you wish dead upon me!', 'you are weak and deranged'. Who is weak?

Tell me James, why all right wingers and religious nuts can't help but project desperately?

Quote from: drunkenshoe on March 15, 2019, 03:02:34 PM
LOOL He is a pink ass.

No sweety, I haven't had any abortions. I definitely would, if I got pregnant though, because I have never wanted kids. I just didn't need one. I give similar responses to anyone with the same bullshit. Thinking that you hit a nerve, just because I reacted is something like someone claiming that you actually want to 'cut your penis' off but can't get it over with according to your previous post. Can you follow that?

You are a grown man. You come here and declare anyone having an abortion as 'degenerates' and blurt a lot of bullshit, but when someone says 'too bad nobody aborted you' which is practically a terrible joke but nothing more, you come back with 'you wish dead upon me!', 'you are weak and deranged'. Who is weak?

Tell me James, why all right wingers and religious nuts can't help but project desperately?

Shoe, this guy claims to be atheist.  I don't believe him.  He talks like a theist. 

Quote from: Mike Cl on March 15, 2019, 03:21:06 PM
Shoe, this guy claims to be atheist.  I don't believe him.  He talks like a theist.

I have no idea. But yeah he is preaching. Almost all right wingers, like the religious believe they are entitled to define everything as they like. Making an attempt on what is atheism or what should atheists think or do with home cooked notions wouldn't surprise. But then I was serious on projection thing. Not just typical right wingers or the religious. Most people we encounter online is much younger than us. Self help trends, self help generations. They are basically talking about themselves most of the time they snap at anything they see as an issue. They are often not even issues. It's the general medium. No real life experience. Every thing is explained with a meme or a video you can play, like or dislike whenever you want and write comments under. Being born and raised in that culture and adapting it later are very different two things. Real life, very far from it. So everything doesn't fit that is baaaad. Freud, how the fuck you missed this age?! 

I have seen quite a few of atheists like him. There were one or two old members here, atheists -their nicks escape me at the moment, haven't posted in years- with the similar attitude on transgender issues. I am sure we still have, probably they just don't talk about it. These issues, esp. transgender subject bugger a lot of people, men or women.

LOL, there was this guy, aitm didn't let out from the Enter the Darkness section. He had some graphic violent designs on transgender people. Piece of shit. Didn't sound like a normal person expressing a common hatred.   

Quote from: your_dude_james on March 15, 2019, 01:11:46 PM
It's impossible to change your biological gender.

And there's your problem. You don't know what you're talking about. Gender isn't biological. Sex is. Maybe if you went to college, you'd know this.

Quote from: Blackleaf on March 15, 2019, 04:12:42 PM
And there's your problem. You don't know what you're talking about. Gender isn't biological. Sex is. Maybe if you went to college, you'd know this.

He thinks 'degenerate' people get abortions. You really think that simple ignorance is his problem?

LOL, you are sweet. 

Quote from: drunkenshoe on March 15, 2019, 04:30:10 PM
He thinks 'degenerate' people get abortions. You really think that simple ignorance is his problem?

LOL, you are sweet.

Ignorance isn't always involuntary. Some people hear the truth and refuse to accept it. I don't mind ignorance from a person who is willing to learn, but I don't get the impression James is one of those people.

Nobody but insane trannies gives a shit about your "gender".

Quote from: your_dude_james on March 16, 2019, 01:52:27 PM
Nobody but insane trannies gives a shit about your "gender".

Human consciousness is stable hysteria.  From birth canal onward.

If you are at home, and if you are married to a woman, do you ever cook or do house work?  Child care?  In that circumstance (but not bachelor without children) you are doing women's work.  That is the social aspect of gender.  If you are a man, who cross-dresses as a woman, you aren' necessarily trannie or gay ... but you are expressing the personal aspect of gender.  Now you can condemn anyone for anything, including deviance from the average.  But that is just majoritarian tyranny.

Trannies do have mental problems.  So do non-Trannies.  Gays do have mental problems.  So do non-gays.  Are you uber-mensch?

Quote from: your_dude_james on March 16, 2019, 01:52:27 PM
Nobody but insane trannies gives a shit about your "gender".

You seem to care quite a lot about gender. While the Liberal policy is to live and let live, you seem obsessed with what people have in their pants.

Quote from: Blackleaf on March 16, 2019, 02:51:58 PM
You seem to care quite a lot about gender. While the Liberal policy is to live and let live, you seem obsessed with what people have in their pants.

Your-Dude-James = Maniacs frequently project their own self-perceived inadequacies?

We're talking about science vs bullshit. You don't get to pretend that "gender" means anything from a scientific standpoint. That means no left wing studies doctrine or Canada style laws against "misgendering" and other made up bullshit.

If your cabal weren't so power hungry people would care about you as much as they do flat earthers. As it is though you are OBSESSED with taking over powerful institutions and infecting them with your idiotic cult dogma. University, the government, etc. Your obvious insanity makes you totally unfit for the offices you crave so much.

Quote from: your_dude_james on March 16, 2019, 06:04:37 PM
We're talking about science vs bullshit. You don't get to pretend that "gender" means anything from a scientific standpoint. That means no left wing studies doctrine or Canada style laws against "misgendering" and other made up bullshit.

If your cabal weren't so power hungry people would care about you as much as they do flat earthers. As it is though you are OBSESSED with taking over powerful institutions and infecting them with your idiotic cult dogma. University, the government, etc. Your obvious insanity makes you totally unfit for the offices you crave so much.

Which science?  Dr Frankenstein?  If gays etc do something political, that is their politics, not their sex or gender.  Unless you think that gay world conquest is going to get your ass violated ;-)  As far as politics goes, nothing about it is scientific.  Partisans abuse science however they need to for the propaganda.  Some partisans are gay, so you will have to get over that.  The straight politicians are the majority, are the greater danger.

Quote from: your_dude_james on March 16, 2019, 06:04:37 PM
We're talking about science vs bullshit. You don't get to pretend that "gender" means anything from a scientific standpoint. That means no left wing studies doctrine or Canada style laws against "misgendering" and other made up bullshit.

If your cabal weren't so power hungry people would care about you as much as they do flat earthers. As it is though you are OBSESSED with taking over powerful institutions and infecting them with your idiotic cult dogma. University, the government, etc. Your obvious insanity makes you totally unfit for the offices you crave so much.

Again, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Gender is psychological. That makes it the subject of science, specifically psychology, which is my field. Are you ready to take your head out of your ass yet?

That would take a combination psychiatrist/proctologist to accomplish.

Quote from: your_dude_james on March 16, 2019, 06:04:37 PM
We're talking about science vs bullshit. You don't get to pretend that "gender" means anything from a scientific standpoint. That means no left wing studies doctrine or Canada style laws against "misgendering" and other made up bullshit.

If your cabal weren't so power hungry people would care about you as much as they do flat earthers. As it is though you are OBSESSED with taking over powerful institutions and infecting them with your idiotic cult dogma. University, the government, etc. Your obvious insanity makes you totally unfit for the offices you crave so much.

Are you related to Airk??????

Quote from: your_dude_james on March 15, 2019, 01:11:46 PM
It's impossible to change your biological gender.

Really...what is the gender of a new born infant who has both sex organs?

QuoteNobody gives a shit what you "identify" as.

True..ass-holes like you don't give a fuck about other humans and their miseries.

QuoteNobody's obliged to read your mind to figure out what "identity" you woke up as.

true...ass-holes like you don't give a fuck about the pains that other humans are born with

QuoteGender isn't just "performance", there are biological differences between the sexes.

again...ass-hole..what is the gender of a newborn that has both a penis and a vagina?

QuoteWanting to chop off your dick isn't healthy. People who chop off their dicks are mentally ill and shouldn't be listened to.

ass-holes shouldn't be listened too but here you are.

QuotePeople who want abortions are degenerates and are doing the world a favor by cutting themselves out of the gene pool.

ahh.. little dick syndrome. Got it.

Quote from: your_dude_james on March 16, 2019, 06:04:37 PM
We're talking about science vs bullshit.

yeah....I'm thinking I have read so little of your posts but dislike you so much already that you should save me the time and just go find a nice little white supremacist home because your time is limited from now until I wake up...so about 7 hours from right now. Oh wait.... I get to sleep in tonight....make that 9 hours from now. Seriously.

Quote from: your_dude_james on March 15, 2019, 02:30:40 PM
@drunkenshoe Wow I really hit a nerve didn't I. One person complains about institutionalized bullshit in an abstract sense and now you wish death upon him. Weak. You're weak. And deranged. But of course I already knew that.

Sounds like a quote from Trump...