This is long past due. The ruling was unanimous with no dissenting votes.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/scotus-cracks-down-on-civil-asset-forfeiture/
Indeed, it is good news! I wonder how local and state governments will fund their gestapos now?
Quote from: _Xenu_ on February 20, 2019, 02:44:44 PM
This is long past due. The ruling was unanimous with no dissenting votes.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/scotus-cracks-down-on-civil-asset-forfeiture/
Hurray!!! A rational thought that property fines could be a useful way to combat criminals had gotten WAY out of line. I'm pleased to see this judgement. The concept still makes sense, but has to be restricted.
The truth is, very few things make as many people's blood boil across party lines like civil asset forfeiture. Did they really think this tyranny would be allowed forever?
Quote from: _Xenu_ on February 22, 2019, 10:32:49 AM
The truth is, very few things make as many people's blood boil across party lines like civil asset forfeiture. Did they really think this tyranny would be allowed forever?
When it comes to crimminally ill-gotten gains, it makes sense. But when you have a parent losing a house because their kid got caught a joint in it, that's out of range...
Quote from: Cavebear on February 22, 2019, 12:34:23 PM
When it comes to crimminally ill-gotten gains, it makes sense. But when you have a parent losing a house because their kid got caught a joint in it, that's out of range...
Right. I have nothing against the idea of fines, they just need to be proportionate.
But his goes well beyond that. Police shouldn't just be allowed to steal anything they can remotely connect to a crime, that they don't even have to prove in a court of law, then use the money to pad their own budgets. The entire practice is corrupt and beyond dispicable.
Quote from: _Xenu_ on February 22, 2019, 12:42:43 PM
Right. I have nothing against the idea of fines, they just need to be proportionate.
But his goes well beyond that. Police shouldn't just be allowed to steal anything they can remotely connect to a crime, that they don't even have to prove in a court of law, then use the money to pad their own budgets. The entire practice is corrupt and beyond dispicable.
No argument there.
Quote from: _Xenu_ on February 22, 2019, 10:32:49 AM
The truth is, very few things make as many people's blood boil across party lines like civil asset forfeiture. Did they really think this tyranny would be allowed forever?
Yes. The government has been bankrupt since at least 1971 ... we need all your assets and income.
Quote from: Cavebear on February 22, 2019, 12:34:23 PM
When it comes to crimminally ill-gotten gains, it makes sense. But when you have a parent losing a house because their kid got caught a joint in it, that's out of range...
Everything since Jamestown?
Quote from: _Xenu_ on February 22, 2019, 12:42:43 PM
Right. I have nothing against the idea of fines, they just need to be proportionate.
But his goes well beyond that. Police shouldn't just be allowed to steal anything they can remotely connect to a crime, that they don't even have to prove in a court of law, then use the money to pad their own budgets. The entire practice is corrupt and beyond dispicable.
Most police pensions are bankrupt. They are worried enough ... to come for you.
The Roberts SCOTUS says, per ACA, that fines are taxes, and the Constitution puts no limits on taxes. So you are totally wrong.
Quote from: _Xenu_ on February 22, 2019, 10:32:49 AM
The truth is, very few things make as many people's blood boil across party lines like civil asset forfeiture. Did they really think this tyranny would be allowed forever?
I suspect that's exactly what they thought. If not, they figured they'd get while the getting was good.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 22, 2019, 01:15:17 PM
I suspect that's exactly what they thought. If not, they figured they'd get while the getting was good.
Part of the problem is that local governments, starved for funds, were offerred this source of quasi-legal revenue by legislators who expect that the people they assume culturally to be "criminals from birth to death" would be hardest or entirely hit by this scam. It is easy to say that mafia or drug lords would be harmed so people would agree, while knowing that "the little folk" (whatever their definition be) would be the main targets.
There are mean people in this world, and they like to hurt those they don't like. Think of those people in High School and then think of them in Government. That's what happens when you play "follow the leader" in elections. High School all over again.
Quote from: Cavebear on February 22, 2019, 01:29:21 PM
Part of the problem is that local governments, starved for funds, were offerred this source of quasi-legal revenue by legislators who expect that the people they assume culturally to be "criminals from birth to death" would be hardest or entirely hit by this scam. It is easy to say that mafia or drug lords would be harmed so people would agree, while knowing that "the little folk" (whatever their definition be) would be the main targets.
There are mean people in this world, and they like to hurt those they don't like. Think of those people in High School and then think of them in Government. That's what happens when you play "follow the leader" in elections. High School all over again.
Correct. Feds both corrupt and discipline local government. It is traditional to help your friends and harm your enemies. It is something exceptional, like Jesus ... who differs. Which is why the Church doesn't follow him.
Quote from: Baruch on February 22, 2019, 06:29:03 PM
Correct. Feds both corrupt and discipline local government. It is traditional to help your friends and harm your enemies. It is something exceptional, like Jesus ... who differs. Which is why the Church doesn't follow him.
Ah "TRADITION". Yeah, and that's what progressives fight against through history. And that is why most of us are not serfs or slaves. and live past 40.
Quote from: Cavebear on February 22, 2019, 07:09:40 PM
Ah "TRADITION". Yeah, and that's what progressives fight against through history. And that is why most of us are not serfs or slaves. and live past 40.
You are a serf, a slave ... to the US. Your progressivism is just Americanism (death to all non-Americans). It is debatable to me at this point, if living past 40 was really worth it.
Serf's up - let's go to the beach!
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 22, 2019, 07:15:51 PM
Serf's up - let's go to the beach!
Cultural appropriation. You may not have more borsch!
Quote from: Baruch on February 22, 2019, 07:14:46 PM
You are a serf, a slave ... to the US. Your progressivism is just Americanism (death to all non-Americans). It is debatable to me at this point, if living past 40 was really worth it.
If the US thought Americanism was all there was, we could have happily been doing good trade with a continental Nazi Europe for 80 years, so stop being an ass.
And if you decided to do away with yourself after such 40 years of frustration, we would all just assume you found other people to annoy and merrily go on without you.
As you all would me if I keeled over outside tomorrow...
Quote from: Cavebear on February 22, 2019, 08:43:31 PM
If the US thought Americanism was all there was, we could have happily been doing good trade with a continental Nazi Europe for 80 years, so stop being an ass.
And if you decided to do away with yourself after such 40 years of frustration, we would all just assume you found other people to annoy and merrily go on without you.
As you all would me if I keeled over outside tomorrow...
Ah, but I do care ... that is why I am frustrated. We are doing trade, with E Germany aka EU.
Quote from: Baruch on February 22, 2019, 11:34:28 PM
Ah, but I do care ... that is why I am frustrated. We are doing trade, with E Germany aka EU.
Germany today is not Germany of 1945. But I suspect you wish it was. And "yes, I know...
Quote from: Cavebear on February 26, 2019, 08:43:37 AM
Germany today is not Germany of 1945. But I suspect you wish it was. And "yes, I know...
No, it is the E Germany of 1960 ... you capitalist you.
Quote from: Baruch on February 26, 2019, 12:58:42 PM
No, it is the E Germany of 1960 ... you capitalist you.
I think you meant W Germany. But one never knows with you...
Quote from: Cavebear on March 07, 2019, 02:10:22 AM
I think you meant W Germany. But one never knows with you...
A Stazi member is currently the Chancellor of a united Germany. And wants to ... become as dependent on Russia as possible (natural gas). Of course the Germans may have no choice. In which case it is long past time the US left Nato to its fate.
Quote from: Baruch on March 07, 2019, 02:25:14 AM
A Stazi member is currently the Chancellor of a united Germany. And wants to ... become as dependent on Russia as possible (natural gas). Of course the Germans may have no choice. In which case it is long past time the US left Nato to its fate.
Ah, that explains your previous post. You want to believe that West Germany is a Russian puppet. Completely ridiculous, but carry on with your conspiracy theories...
I'll mention another thought, though. As US Republicans have a habit of trying to diminish the US Democratic party by referring to them as the "Democrat" party (because they just HATE the idea of allowing their opponents to be called "Democratic"), I have noticed that a lot of conservatives often lately refer to "NATO" as "Nato" in order to diminish it.
If that was a simple typo, "no problem" (we all get finger-flooey sometimes). But if it was deliberate, I'm calling you out on it.
West Germany? No, United Germany. And yes, materially, and politically, it is a puppet to Russia.
And yes, like the German Democratic Republic (E Germany) ... the Democrats TODAY are doctrinaire Marxists. LBJ was not a Marxist. He was worse.
You are too ... code reading ... into things. NATO, Nato, nAto ... all the same to me. Maybe not to your New England Neo-Lib handlers.
Quote from: Baruch on March 07, 2019, 06:59:31 AM
West Germany? No, United Germany. And yes, materially, and politically, it is a puppet to Russia.
And yes, like the German Democratic Republic (E Germany) ... the Democrats TODAY are doctrinaire Marxists. LBJ was not a Marxist. He was worse.
You are too ... code reading ... into things. NATO, Nato, nAto ... all the same to me. Maybe not to your New England Neo-Lib handlers.
You're odd. Since your claims are all easily falsifiable, I have to treat such claims as jokes. But what the point is I can't be sure... The answer is only in YOUR mind.
Quote from: Cavebear on March 07, 2019, 10:41:44 AM
You're odd. Since your claims are all easily falsifiable, I have to treat such claims as jokes. But what the point is I can't be sure... The answer is only in YOUR mind.
Falsifiable?
There is no E Germany?
There is no W Germany?
There is no United Germany?
Merkel wasn't in the Stazi?
Merkel isn't the German chancellor?
So what dope do you smoke?