We don't have to rely on just the aura of scumbaggery and asshattery exuded by the Orange Disaster Area; there are several serious allegations being made against him that, if true, constitute not just criminal activity but an explicit breach of the Constitution.
These three are the most serious, I think:
- Hush money payments (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46563979), particularly now that his former attorney Michael Cohen has stated they were directed by Trump himself, and AMI -- parent company of the National Enquirer -- is corroborating his testimony. AMI has been killing stories damaging to Trump for years (https://apnews.com/143be3c52d4746af8546ca6772754407); one cannot help but wonder what (else) lurks in their safe.
- The closure of the Trump Foundation under the supervision of the New York attorney general’s office. The investigation is ongoing; the AG described the foundation as “little more than a checkbook to serve Mr Trump’s business and political interests (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46611178).†Additionally, he can't pardon himself or his spawn (or spawn-in-law) out of this one -- it's a state case, not a federal one.
- The emoluments case (https://oag.dc.gov/about-oag/emoluments-lawsuit) spearheaded by the DC and Maryland attorneys general. This is a particularly interesting one, since if proven, it’s an explicit violation of the Constitution. I can’t think of anything more obviously impeachable than that.
And still lurking is the Mueller investigation, which has yet to level specific allegations against Lord Dampnut so I don't include it above. The firing of FBI Director Comey may or may not have been unethical, but it wasn't so far as I know illegal â€" Comey was an employee of the Executive Branch, and serves at the pleasure of the chief executive.
Of course, Congressional Republicans just don't care (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/12/11/sen_orrin_hatch_on_trump_allegations_i_dont_care.html). Even though we all know that they would have started impeachment proceedings against a Democrat based on just the allegations, never mind facts and investigations, of any
one of these.
Yes, is anyone surprised by the corruption? But isn't this the Clinton playbook too? See, I don't love corruption either, but I would commit genocide over partisanship. Not a puritan on morals ... just don't like it in high places. If the Clintons and Trumps were slum dwellers ....
'Sorry losers and haters, but my I.Q. is one of the highest â€" and you all know it! Please don’t feel so stupid or insecure, it’s not your fault.'
D.J. Trump
'I think Viagra is wonderful if you need it, if you have medical issues, if you’ve had surgery. I’ve just never needed it. Frankly, I wouldn’t mind if there were an anti-Viagra, something with the opposite effect. I’m not bragging. I’m just lucky. I don’t need it. I’ve always said, "If you need Viagra, you’re probably with the wrong girl."'
D.J. Trump
What a font of wisdom is D.J. Trump!
is this site turning into a soapbox stand now?
What Clinton "corruption" is that? Remember, you will be asked to produce your evidence and if you start citing Breitbart you are going to get flamed.
After 7 failed Benghazi investigations the republicunts wasted another $7 million on yet another one. But I imagine that is your idea of "good government?"
Quote from: Baruch on December 18, 2018, 08:02:16 PM
the Clinton playbook
You do so love to make stuff up.
Quote from: Munch on December 18, 2018, 08:34:47 PM
is this site turning into a soapbox stand now?
This
is the Political/Government General Discussion area, you know. You might have a point if I had put it elsewhere, but I didn't.
Quote from: Munch on December 18, 2018, 08:34:47 PM
is this site turning into a soapbox stand now?
Psychopath central ... don't ask don't tell, what molecules may be smoked or snorted here. And these monkeys banned Gilgamesh ;-)
Quote from: Minimalist on December 18, 2018, 09:08:20 PM
What Clinton "corruption" is that? Remember, you will be asked to produce your evidence and if you start citing Breitbart you are going to get flamed.
After 7 failed Benghazi investigations the republicunts wasted another $7 million on yet another one. But I imagine that is your idea of "good government?"
Yes, you are ... ignorable.
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 18, 2018, 10:13:55 PM
You do so love to make stuff up.
Actually not. You are ignorable too.
Thread derailed.
Quote from: SGOS on December 19, 2018, 07:08:41 AM
Thread derailed.
1. Murder of Trump family
2. Genocide of Republicans
There ... back on topic.
I understand y'alls pain, but your revenge fantasies are Nazi.
Quote from: SGOS on December 19, 2018, 07:08:41 AM
Thread derailed.
Not if you have Baruch on ignore, it's not.
Quote from: Baruch on December 19, 2018, 02:57:00 AM
Actually not. You are ignorable too.
Oh, no!!! Not that!!! Fucking grow up Baruch! More and more you sound like a Trump 5th grade bully.
Quote from: trdsf on December 19, 2018, 08:41:51 AM
Not if you have Baruch on ignore, it's not.
LOL I heard about this yesterday on NPR. While we've heard these allegations since before Trump was elected, this is the first formal action taken by a government agency that I know of, albeit a state government. Well, OK, congress has had their investigations to show the public that they are doing something. This almost sounds like a States Rights issue taking on the Fed, so I'm doubtful that it goes anywhere. But the funny thing is, I knew right away it would show up in the forum, and my first thought was wondering how soon Baruch would turn this into a condemnation of Hillary in attempt to deflect the issue away from his beloved hero <See reply #1>. Now it doesn't take a fortune teller to predict that, but it still makes me chuckle.
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 19, 2018, 09:26:37 AM
Oh, no!!! Not that!!! Fucking grow up Baruch! More and more you sound like a Trump 5th grade bully.
I think you are older than me. Have someone else change your Depends, I am not available ;-)
When you put on Dr Carrier ... you were sourcing good material. Now you might as well be a coke snorting 20 year old.
Quote from: SGOS on December 19, 2018, 09:43:30 AM
LOL I heard about this yesterday on NPR. While we've heard these allegations since before Trump was elected, this is the first formal action taken by a government agency that I know of, albeit a state government. Well, OK, congress has had their investigations to show the public that they are doing something. This almost sounds like a States Rights issue taking on the Fed, so I'm doubtful that it goes anywhere. But the funny thing is, I knew right away it would show up in the forum, and my first thought was wondering how soon Baruch would turn this into a condemnation of Hillary in attempt to deflect the issue away from his beloved hero <See reply #1>. Now it doesn't take a fortune teller to predict that, but it still makes me chuckle.
You are on form, not off form. Not ignorable or ignorant. No, Hillary isn't the primary issue. Biden is. Y'all will get your Biden Messiah in 2020.
Here is the deal with corruption. If Trump has been criminal for the last 40 years, then why hasn't he gone to jail? Why wait until ... he is in the White House? If the many layers of the legal system are that corrupt, then I can't trust any judge or jury either. For all I know, there are no criminals, just innocent people being framed. Which is what D-maniacs think the Clintons are. If the Clintons are guilty of crimes, why weren't they arrested in the 2000-2016 period? Must be innocent. Maybe that is the ultimate "liberal" position ... that society is guilty but no individual is. That is why banks are fined for criminal acts, but no executives are even charged? Good, then let all the current prisoners out of all the jails ... they are all innocent.
Quote from: Baruch on December 19, 2018, 12:43:56 PM
I think you are older than me. Have someone else change your Depends, I am not available ;-)
When you put on Dr Carrier ... you were sourcing good material. Now you might as well be a coke snorting 20 year old.
That makes as much sense as you usually do.
Baruch is not here to make sense, he's here to push our buttons - or try to, anyway.
I see where Roger Stone is making money the old fashioned way - he's selling autographed rocks on E-bay! LOL! And not just any old rocks, either, they're exact replicas of the stone that killed Goliath!
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/roger-stone-selling-roger-stones-defense-fund
This is a really strange world we live in. But it's not boring!
Quote from: SGOS on December 19, 2018, 09:43:30 AM
But the funny thing is, I knew right away it would show up in the forum, and my first thought was wondering how soon Baruch would turn this into a condemnation of Hillary in attempt to deflect the issue away from his beloved hero <See reply #1>. Now it doesn't take a fortune teller to predict that, but it still makes me chuckle.
That's why I have him on ignore. There's no point in talking to a broken record or a tape on loop. Any breath against the Orange Disaster Area automatically triggers the recording, and there's as much point trying to engage with that as there is trying to debate a piece of furniture.
Hell, furniture makes more sense.
Quote from: Baruch on December 19, 2018, 02:57:00 AM
Actually not. You are ignorable too.
Don't threaten me with a good time!
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 19, 2018, 01:15:50 PM
Baruch is not here to make sense, he's here to push our buttons - or try to, anyway.
Zippers, not buttons. I am using a zip gun ;-)
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 19, 2018, 05:38:47 PM
Hell, furniture makes more sense.
Are you a disciple of Shaker or Chippendale?
Ikea.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 19, 2018, 05:38:47 PM
Hell, furniture makes more sense.
My chest of drawers agrees.
The tragedy is, he's capable of entertaining conversation. Unfortunately, the blind spots, knee jerks, and deliberate derails simply are not worth ploughing through -- it's like talking about NASA with a moon landing denier. I suspect Spinoza himself would dope-slap him upside the back of his head and say something along the lines of "Seriously? C'mon, get your shit together." Although he'd probably have said it in Dutch or Portuguese.
Quote from: trdsf on December 19, 2018, 08:05:03 PM
My chest of drawers agrees.
The tragedy is, he's capable of entertaining conversation. Unfortunately, the blind spots, knee jerks, and deliberate derails simply are not worth ploughing through -- it's like talking about NASA with a moon landing denier. I suspect Spinoza himself would dope-slap him upside the back of his head and say something along the lines of "Seriously? C'mon, get your shit together." Although he'd probably have said it in Dutch or Portuguese.
Spinoza was very private, and not an exhibitionist. So of course he would disapprove of Trump. Trump is more of an Earl of Shaftsbury guy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Ashley_Cooper,_1st_Earl_of_Shaftesbury
This gives some idea of the time period, and a very early Robert Downey Jr ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvsAuHYBgEQ
What a delightful looking movie! I'll read the book.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 18, 2018, 08:05:02 PM
'Sorry losers and haters, but my I.Q. is one of the highest â€" and you all know it! Please don’t feel so stupid or insecure, it’s not your fault.'
D.J. Trump
'I think Viagra is wonderful if you need it, if you have medical issues, if you’ve had surgery. I’ve just never needed it. Frankly, I wouldn’t mind if there were an anti-Viagra, something with the opposite effect. I’m not bragging. I’m just lucky. I don’t need it. I’ve always said, "If you need Viagra, you’re probably with the wrong girl."'
D.J. Trump
What a font of wisdom is D.J. Trump!
His wisdom makes Bushism's words of Shakespearean art. As the Bard said, "Oh witless buffoonery, that caused the quest for power to overtake the mind and set the worlds awry"...