QuoteThe indigenous European people are being written out of their own history, folklore and mythology by those who wish to re-write history and strip Europeans of their traditions and culture in order to propagate the lie that Europe was always multicultural and that people who did not originate in Europe have played pivotal roles in European history, and crucially that non-Europeans have a right to stake their claim to European soil.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSBx0pqTSL0&t=311s
That's OK. Preparing the next generations for right-think. Only proper.
Very 1984. Winston Smith is working for the BBC now (Ministry of Truth).
The future generations will not question it, it will be the Truth.
Our history going down the memory hole.
No one will know better.
They make all of French history like this. In their movies, the Indians are played by Vietnamese, and the Cowboys are played by Frenchmen. You are just going to have to like being French fried.
https://www.businessinsider.com/thomas-alexandre-dumas-france-first-black-general-napoleon-bonaparte-2018-3
Would France portray this guy as White? How about Napoleon as Italian (which his ancestry was)?
THEY ARE FUCKING ACTORS.
Casting an actor =/= writing something... especially not writing something OUT of history.
I never fucking thought I would see the day when right wingers started to cry about cultural appropriation.
You god damned fucking babies. You literally were just on liberals for the exact same thing.
Congrats, PR. You've just joined the victim olympics that you have been overly bashing for the last few years.
On a semi-but-not-really-related note, I do actually find it quite fascinating that Europeans do have a legitimate history of writing themselves out of it, going back to at least the Greek Dark Ages and the Bronze Age where actual empires became mythological stories... or in England where the indigenous British have merged with Romans, Celts, Vikings, Anglo-Saxons and been sort of lost to time even though they still exist.
The amount of cultures that have been lost, or incorporated into larger cultural groups, in Europe is actually really interesting and it is a shame that they have been written out of history by the major players in European history.
Quote from: Shiranu on December 07, 2018, 02:22:45 PM
On a semi-but-not-really-related note, I do actually find it quite fascinating that Europeans do have a legitimate history of writing themselves out of it, going back to at least the Greek Dark Ages and the Bronze Age where actual empires became mythological stories... or in England where the indigenous British have merged with Romans, Celts, Vikings, Anglo-Saxons and been sort of lost to time even though they still exist.
The amount of cultures that have been lost, or incorporated into larger cultural groups, in Europe is actually really interesting and it is a shame that they have been written out of history by the major players in European history.
Losers don't write history. Go tell the Sumerians ...
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Quote from: pr126 on December 07, 2018, 12:41:20 PM
That's OK. Preparing the next generations for right-think. Only proper.
Very 1984. Winston Smith is working for the BBC now (Ministry of Truth).
The future generations will not question it, it will be the Truth.
Our history going down the memory hole.
No one will know better.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on December 07, 2018, 02:12:34 PM
THEY ARE FUCKING ACTORS. ...
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pr, have you heard a series called Merlin? (2008-2012) I think you'd esp. love the Guinevere character in that one. Apparently, one of the production location was France. I smell conspiracy, don't say I didn't tell.
Oh. I am still laughing.
Lets provide some context here since the points clearly being missed.
Yes, I can see why this seems silly, because its just an actor playing a part. Honestly in this context it doesn't bother me if someones of another skin color is playing the role of white, blond haired character in history as long as they play the part well. The only time this might bother me is in a larger scale production like a movie, where I would hope for things to be more accurate in terms of character portrayal. If they made a moving about queen Elizabeth being brown skinned I have no problem claiming it not really historically accurate.
But lets be honest here. If they had a white girl playing the role of lets say rosa parks, or Harriet Tubman, I think its fair to say the same vitriol would be shown to them by certain far leftists, even if as your all saying 'its just acting'.
You mean like when Will Smith played James West?
;-)
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 07, 2018, 06:45:39 PM
You mean like when Will Smith played James West?
;-)
did people complain about that? if they did it didn't register.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on December 07, 2018, 02:12:34 PM
THEY ARE FUCKING ACTORS.
Casting an actor =/= writing something... especially not writing something OUT of history.
I never fucking thought I would see the day when right wingers started to cry about cultural appropriation.
You god damned fucking babies. You literally were just on liberals for the exact same thing.
Yet Gods of Egypt is awful.
Quote from: Munch on December 07, 2018, 06:53:04 PM
did people complain about that? if they did it didn't register.
Not that I know of, but it wouldn't surprise me.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on December 07, 2018, 08:30:06 PM
Yet Gods of Egypt is awful.
As Hollywood? Or because real Fellahin were not harmed (or used) in making the movie? The documentary ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dklixqvNcss
Is the real deal. Certainly after studying Middle Egyptian earlier this year ... it seems pretty authentic ;-)
The Egyptian woman teaching us Egyptian Arabic a year ago, is one of the most beautiful women I have ever seen. So I think Egyptians are real, even if Wakandans are not.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 07, 2018, 06:45:39 PM
You mean like when Will Smith played James West?
;-)
I like Will Smith in anything, even a dress ;-) Yeah it was the other guy who wore the dress that time, same as in the TV show. So that movie really didn't change things up too much. James West should have been the cross-dresser too. Early feminist. Play Artemis Gordon as his cross-race gay lover. Boy George would go ... Reee.
Quote from: Munch on December 07, 2018, 06:40:42 PM
Lets provide some context here since the points clearly being missed.
Yes, I can see why this seems silly, because its just an actor playing a part. Honestly in this context it doesn't bother me if someones of another skin color is playing the role of white, blond haired character in history as long as they play the part well. The only time this might bother me is in a larger scale production like a movie, where I would hope for things to be more accurate in terms of character portrayal. If they made a moving about queen Elizabeth being brown skinned I have no problem claiming it not really historically accurate.
But lets be honest here. If they had a white girl playing the role of lets say rosa parks, or Harriet Tubman, I think its fair to say the same vitriol would be shown to them by certain far leftists, even if as your all saying 'its just acting'.
I think the inequality, not the camp, is what is at issue here. Just kill the artistic Left already, for violating their poetic license.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on December 07, 2018, 04:54:24 PM
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Actors? So are all the media including all the politicians and lawyers.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on December 07, 2018, 05:03:08 PM
pr, have you heard a series called Merlin? (2008-2012) I think you'd esp. love the Guinevere character in that one. Apparently, one of the production location was France. I smell conspiracy, don't say I didn't tell.
Oh. I am still laughing.
My daughter loved that one, but she is very liberal, and Guinevere could be "black irish" ... so no, not Nordic at all.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 07, 2018, 06:45:39 PM
You mean like when Will Smith played James West?
;-)
Yeah, I am so glad he freed the Blacks from slavery!
Quote from: Munch on December 07, 2018, 06:53:04 PM
did people complain about that? if they did it didn't register.
We are all racists, except Shiranu.
Quote from: Munch on December 07, 2018, 06:40:42 PM
But lets be honest here. If they had a white girl playing the role of lets say rosa parks, or Harriet Tubman, I think its fair to say the same vitriol would be shown to them by certain far leftists, even if as your all just saying 'its just acting'.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oAKG-kbKeIo
Quote from: Munch on December 07, 2018, 06:40:42 PM
Lets provide some context here since the points clearly being missed.
Yes, I can see why this seems silly, because its just an actor playing a part. Honestly in this context it doesn't bother me if someones of another skin color is playing the role of white, blond haired character in history as long as they play the part well. The only time this might bother me is in a larger scale production like a movie, where I would hope for things to be more accurate in terms of character portrayal. If they made a moving about queen Elizabeth being brown skinned I have no problem claiming it not really historically accurate.
But lets be honest here. If they had a white girl playing the role of lets say rosa parks, or Harriet Tubman, I think its fair to say the same vitriol would be shown to them by certain far leftists, even if as your all saying 'its just acting'.
NO. ONE. IS. RE-WRITING. HISTORY. BOOKS. TO. SAY. THAT. THE. PEOPLE'S. ETHNICITIES. ARE. DIFFERENT. FROM. WHAT. THEY WERE.
Read that slowly and let it sink in.
Casting a fucking actor that is a different ethnicity is not writing people out of history. It blatantly does not equate to that.
Also. Let this sink in. You LITERALLY WERE JUST RAGGING ON LIBERALS FOR THE EXACT SAME THING. YOU ARE CRYING ABOUT CULTURAL APPROPRIATION FROM ACTORS PLAYING A PART IN AN ACTING ROLE.
How fucking thick headed are you.
Fucking dolts.
I'm actually fucking pissed.
I have never been this pissed at this forum before in my life. And it isn't even about what is being said.... it's the context of what is being said and by who said it. It's about the bold-faced hypocrisy. Literally the other month you two were just pissing on liberals for the exact fucking same thing.
If you aren't trolling, you I'm assuming you're literally retarded.
Or simply enjoy all the variety of young women in the world ... in native costume ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lOnfFZYFNM&index=1&list=PLfRVkcCNsNL-5Bi6UmFI0bmO8C0yn2CXu
PickelledEggs, calm down and do some breathing exercise, think your reading more into something then there actually is.
The way your full cap scream texting means your offended by something you made worse in your head.
I already said, I don't care if someone in a reenactment of a person is played by someone of a different ethnicity in a play or theatre piece. I only expect them to put the effort in if its a larger production like a film or TV show.
And that goes for any historically accurate portrayal. If they made a movie of martin Luther king and had Hugh Jackman as him, I would be kinda perplexed at that choice.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 07, 2018, 08:31:14 PM
Not that I know of, but it wouldn't surprise me.
Well I never saw the original series and kinda liked the movie, so I didn't come from a place desiring authenticity. I doubt they had giant steam powered spiders though in the original series.
Nobody is missing the point, but you. I'll just leave at that.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on December 08, 2018, 06:14:12 AM
Nobody is missing the point, but you. I'll just leave at that.
I guess siding with pr on some issues means I'm now part of the borg, just so we're clear.
Quote from: Munch on December 08, 2018, 06:18:25 AM
I guess siding with pr on some issues means I'm now part of the borg, just so we're clear.
I wasn't trying to be offensive. On the contrary. Usually, when I write something, you find it agressive. You either purposefully refuse to refer anything I point out in a post and tell why you think the way you do and I the way I do, or you delete your response. Either way, it is never a dialogue.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on December 08, 2018, 06:31:41 AM
I wasn't trying to be offensive. On the contrary. Usually, when I write something, you find it agressive. You either purposefully refuse to refer anything I point out in a post and tell why you think the way you do and I the way I do, or you delete your response. Either way, it is never a dialogue.
I haven't delected any responses. And I will try to have a dialogue if I think it leads to something better, not usually carry it on if it's just a back and forth not going anywhere.
Quote from: Munch on December 08, 2018, 07:29:50 AM
I haven't delected any responses. And I will try to have a dialogue if I think it leads to something better, not usually carry it on if it's just a back and forth not going anywhere.
You have,lol. It's just a coincidence I saw that, not important. Really.
Quote from: Munch on December 08, 2018, 06:18:25 AM
I guess siding with pr on some issues means I'm now part of the borg, just so we're clear.
You are unawake! You were born gay like most are born straight. All straight people must become gay, all gay must become straight! Up must be down, down must be up ... Helter Skelter. See, the Left isn't where it is at, the Anarchists aren't Leftists, they are Nihilists.
Much get a girlfriend now! Or be forever bourgeois!!
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I've said it to the SJWs, and I'll say it to the Alt-Reich: If you don't like it, you don't have to fucking watch it. Normal well-adjusted people don't give a shit about this, because they understand the difference between entertainment and reality.
Quote from: Baruch on December 08, 2018, 08:40:41 AM
You are unawake! You were born gay like most are born straight. All straight people must become gay, all gay must become straight! Up must be down, down must be up ... Helter Skelter. See, the Left isn't where it is at, the Anarchists aren't Leftists, they are Nihilists.
Much get a girlfriend now! Or be forever bourgeois!!
I had a girlfriend once, we stayed in touch for a while.
Quote from: Munch on December 08, 2018, 06:18:25 AM
I guess siding with pr on some issues means I'm now part of the borg, just so we're clear.
Not following the party line?
Room 101 is ready. O'Brien will re-educate you.
2+2 is 5. Just a friendly advice. Less pain if you answer correctly.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on December 08, 2018, 11:32:00 AM
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I've said it to the SJWs, and I'll say it to the Alt-Reich: If you don't like it, you don't have to fucking watch it. Normal well-adjusted people don't give a shit about this, because they understand the difference between entertainment and reality.
Fucking. Thank you.
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Quote from: Munch on December 08, 2018, 05:22:18 AM
PickelledEggs, calm down and do some breathing exercise, think your reading more into something then there actually is.
The way your full cap scream texting means your offended by something you made worse in your head.
I already said, I don't care if someone in a reenactment of a person is played by someone of a different ethnicity in a play or theatre piece. I only expect them to put the effort in if its a larger production like a film or TV show.
And that goes for any historically accurate portrayal. If they made a movie of martin Luther king and had Hugh Jackman as him, I would be kinda perplexed at that choice.
you.
are.
whining.
about.
cultural appropriation.
You literally were just on liberals about this. How do you feel justified whining about this, yourself? Or do you now all of a sudden think liberals were right?
Do you seriously not see how you are contradicting yourself, from thread to thread?
Liberals can be whiny babies, but at least their consistent.
I actually am curious in how yall feel this compares to Scarlet Johanssen or Emma Stone playing Asian characters, or even just the fact that there is a long history in media of white-washing minority roles?
On the one hand, I feel like to be logically consistent I do actually need to disagree with what is happening in the OP... and to an extent, I do. The Joan of Arc one... not so much, since I'm guessing the actress was from Orleans... but Margret Queen of England being portrayed by someone of African descent is just objectively weird.
However on the other hand... it's a completely different dynamic with the majority white-washing minority characters. That is a position of power being used to, intentionally or not, to marginalize people who don't have the same amount of power and that's just inherently worse.
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If people want to get pissed off about this, fair play to them. However if you are pissed off about this and yet are either silent about white-washing in other films, or even worse criticize people who point it out when it happens, then I feel like some introspection is desperately needed. I would argue that white-washing is inherently and logically worse than what is happening in this instance, but if you are angry about this but not white-washing then it's hard not to view it at the very least being utterly hypocritical and only caring about it when it happens to people who look like you.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on December 08, 2018, 01:43:18 PM
Do you seriously not see how you are contradicting yourself, from thread to thread?
Liberals can be whiny babies, but at least their consistent.
Okay, your really going to need to provide context to this, I'm back tracking though my posts and can't find what your on about.
Do me a favour and show me up with quotes.
I mean shiranu actually seems to get the point I was making, that it can be weird choices picking someone who doesn't fit the part for the role.
Scarlet Johanssen - anime isn't realistic. The Japanese consider themselves White, and all other Asians as ... less. Also whenever in animated Anime, a Westerner is drawn, I don't want any Japanese/Chinese artist to draw it ... has to be done by a White Protestant Male American artist.
Emma Stone - she was mis-caste, and people apologized.
On scifi ... aliens are triggered, none of them have gotten any work at all. The Coneheads was Alien-washing.
Now when John Wayne portrayed Genghis Khan ... that was White-washing. If any Japanese tried for the role, they should invade Japan all over again.
It is pretty hard to say that the Europeans and their cast-offs the Americans, Canadians, and Australians aren't major players in the world. Sure there are other powerful nations. But I've noticed they tend to rise and fall quickly.
It was the Germans in the 80s, the Japanese in the 90s, the Chinese today. Let them do their best. A bit of competition with the "West" tends to wear them out.
Democracy stands as most overall successful...
Quote from: Munch on December 07, 2018, 06:40:42 PM
Lets provide some context here since the points clearly being missed.
Yes, I can see why this seems silly, because its just an actor playing a part. Honestly in this context it doesn't bother me if someones of another skin color is playing the role of white, blond haired character in history as long as they play the part well. The only time this might bother me is in a larger scale production like a movie, where I would hope for things to be more accurate in terms of character portrayal. If they made a moving about queen Elizabeth being brown skinned I have no problem claiming it not really historically accurate.
But lets be honest here. If they had a white girl playing the role of lets say rosa parks, or Harriet Tubman, I think its fair to say the same vitriol would be shown to them by certain far leftists, even if as your all saying 'its just acting'.
Are you talking about the 1st or the 2nd Elizabeth?
Quote from: drunkenshoe on December 13, 2018, 03:30:00 AM
Are you talking about the 1st or the 2nd Elizabeth?
Either one.
It does sometimes seem idiotic that actors and actresses play historical characters of very different races (acknowledging the unreality of "race" in evolutionary terms). But hey, let there be a woman Iago, an Asian George Washington, and a male Salome.
But let there be a white woman playing Malcolm X and all hell would break loose...