I am thankful I haven't seen the utterly moronic phrase, "What is rape culture? That's just some made up Marxist phrase!" in awhile, but nevertheless... this is rape culture.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/15/world/europe/ireland-underwear-rape-case-protest.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/15/world/europe/ireland-underwear-rape-case-protest.html)
QuoteA criminal trial in Ireland, in which the lawyer of a man accused of rape cited the lacy underwear worn by a woman as a sign of her consent, has ignited outrage across the country and beyond.
During the closing argument, the defense lawyer asked the jury to consider the underwear worn by the 17-year-old woman at the time prosecutors said she was raped in a muddy alleyway by a 27-year-old man.
“Does the evidence out-rule the possibility that she was attracted to the defendant and was open to meeting someone and being with someone?†the lawyer asked, according to The Irish Times. “You have to look at the way she was dressed. She was wearing a thong with a lace front.â€
The man was acquitted, and the case immediately drew calls for accountability and sparked a national dialogue about consent and victim blaming. Hundreds of women and men with posters and lace underwear in hand protested in five cities across the country on Wednesday.
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This cultural reckoning has also shone a light on the way the country deals with cases of sexual assault. There have been similar challenges in Northern Ireland. In Northern Ireland, fewer than 2 percent of rape cases lead to convictions, according to a recent report from the Criminal Justice Inspection.
This spring, a proceeding that came to be known as the Belfast trialignited similar outrage in Northern Ireland, where two rugby players who play for the national team were accused of raping a woman at a house party.
The prosecution’s case included accounts from a taxi driver who testified that the woman had been sobbing on her drive home and that there had been blood on the back of her white jeans. A doctor told the court that he had observed a laceration in her bleeding vagina.
But defense experts argued that this was not proof that she had been raped, or even that she had had sex.
I am not arguing that women in the West are not treated significantly better than women in the Middle East, but this idea that we are on a level where we can judge how other cultures treat their women is ridiculous to me. When only 2% of rape cases are leading to convictions (a number that is not isolated to conservative countries like the Irelands but to many Western nations), and an estimated 90% or so don't even get reported, we clearly do not have any moral high ground to be judging others and should be putting our own house in order first.
I hate people.
Its horrible that anyone is a victim of rape, nobody should ever have to endure that, and especially never have face the prospect the one who did it got off scot free.
However, I would like some statistics on these percentages based on current times, you say 2% leading to convictions, based on what information?
Also you should never use this as a reason to deflect from the crimes committed against women in the middle east, even the wests worst court system for female rape victims is better here then way of life is for many women over there.
Quote...you say 2% leading to convictions, based on what information?
The article above.
And I'm not deflecting from those issues, I am preemptively bringing it up before I got a, "Yeah, well, it's worse over there so why are you complaining?"
Quote from: Munch on November 16, 2018, 09:18:24 PM
Its horrible that anyone is a victim of rape, nobody should ever have to endure that, and especially never have face the prospect the one who did it got off scot free.
However, I would like some statistics on these percentages based on current times, you say 2% leading to convictions, based on what information?
Also you should never use this as a reason to deflect from the crimes committed against women in the middle east, even the wests worst court system for female rape victims is better here then way of life is for many women over there.
3 of 4 accusations against Kavanaugh retracted. 4th person got $1 million go-fund-me.
Recent Texas case. Man convicted of breaking and entering, and assault ... sentenced to 99 years in jail. Released now, because woman admitted she said it just because she was mad at him.
See, women are assholes, same as men.
Quote from: Shiranu on November 16, 2018, 09:44:40 PM
The article above.
And I'm not deflecting from those issues, I am preemptively bringing it up before I got a, "Yeah, well, it's worse over there so why are you complaining?"
"Less worse" is a poor justification for anything. The whole world needs to get better.
What a bunch of fucking bullshit.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on November 17, 2018, 08:53:02 AM
What a bunch of fucking bullshit.
Unless you have full video, and lie detector evidence .. what is consent? Don't have mutual sex with anyone, please. Any mutual sex, is rape, because even if consent is given, it was a mistake by the grantor, or to be denied later. No doubt if we did that, the SJW would be accusing masturbors of self rape.
How about actual facts, actual statistics?
https://www.rainn.org/statistics/perpetrators-sexual-violence
Or we can express our ass-hat opinions about how the criminal justice system is fucked, or how the perps need to be publicly crucified or how all victims are liars.
Quote from: Munch on November 16, 2018, 09:18:24 PM
Its horrible that anyone is a victim of rape, nobody should ever have to endure that, and especially never have face the prospect the one who did it got off scot free.
However, I would like some statistics on these percentages based on current times, you say 2% leading to convictions, based on what information?
Also you should never use this as a reason to deflect from the crimes committed against women in the middle east, even the wests worst court system for female rape victims is better here then way of life is for many women over there.
Classic. Rape is bad.
BUT...
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on November 17, 2018, 06:30:33 PM
JAPAN
Japanese businessmen prefer to sex trade in Manila, yes?
Quote from: Mermaid on November 18, 2018, 09:56:11 AM
Please explain.
Perhaps ...
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2018/jun/28/japans-secret-shame-review-breaking-a-nations-taboo-about
Quote from: Mermaid on November 18, 2018, 09:56:11 AM
Please explain.
Go to any hentai site and you'll find rape as a genre. Hell you'll find loli too.
I think it's a Japanese thing, even in yaoi, when characters are having sex, they look like their in pain or displeasure.
Might explain why Japanese have a dwindling population
Why does that have anything to do
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on November 18, 2018, 01:42:15 PM
Go to any hentai site and you'll find rape as a genre. Hell you'll find loli too.
Why is that germane to this case in Ireland?
Quote from: Munch on November 18, 2018, 03:41:25 PM
I think it's a Japanese thing, even in yaoi, when characters are having sex, they look like their in pain or displeasure.
Might explain why Japanese have a dwindling population
Grimacing samurai in Kabuki posters? I suspect for them, it is the transitoriness of life, and knowing sooner or later they get decapitated or disemboweled.
Quote from: Mermaid on November 18, 2018, 03:52:21 PM
Why is that germane to this case in Ireland?
I wondered that too, but I didn't want to post anything about it, because I figured it would just open another floodgate of crap.
Quote from: Mermaid on November 18, 2018, 03:52:21 PM
Why does that have anything to do Why is that germane to this case in Ireland?
Because it a part of rape culture
Quote from: SGOS on November 18, 2018, 05:13:54 PM
I wondered that too, but I didn't want to post anything about it, because I figured it would just open another floodgate of crap.
I should know better. You're right.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on November 18, 2018, 05:39:12 PM
Because it a part of rape culture
And so is asking a victim what she was wearing, bringing her panties to court and suggesting that they indicate consent. And the jury agreeing.
And what? I agree with you sunshine.
Even if a woman were naked, or undressed in front of me, that doesn't mean I can touch her. In fact, I should excuse myself from the room.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on November 18, 2018, 05:39:12 PM
Because it a part of rape culture
I know I'll regret this but.... That presupposes that the actual case presented by the prosecutor was rock solid the defense presented by the lawyer was insufficient to achieve a not guilty verdict until the lawyer made the lace thong comment during closing argument.
Quote from: Johan on November 19, 2018, 07:55:46 PM
I know I'll regret this but.... That presupposes that the actual case presented by the prosecutor was rock solid the defense presented by the lawyer was insufficient to achieve a not guilty verdict until the lawyer made the lace thong comment during closing argument.
Even if that is true, that just makes the lace remark the icing on top of the cake, or more accurately the salt being rubbed in the wound, and still is indicative of a rape culture where women, 9 out of 10 times, will be presumed to be lying about being raped if they even have the courage to go to the police about it.
It's still indicative that we live in a rape culture because why in the actual right fuck would anyone think that's an acceptable thing to say in court, in the presence of someone who was potentially raped, and why was he not (metaphorically) crucified for saying it?
Quote from: Shiranu on November 19, 2018, 08:06:22 PM
Even if that is true, that just makes the lace remark the icing on top of the cake, or more accurately the salt being rubbed in the wound, and still is indicative of a rape culture where women, 9 out of 10 times, will be presumed to be lying about being raped if they even have the courage to go to the police about it.
It's still indicative that we live in a rape culture because why in the actual right fuck would anyone think that's an acceptable thing to say in court, in the presence of someone who was potentially raped, and why was he not (metaphorically) crucified for saying it?
All the men are liars too. This is an Adam & Eve thing.
I don't think anything should be said at court, because courts shouldn't exist. Her male relatives should kill anyone she chooses to have ennui toward. That would be an international men's day worth celebrating.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on November 19, 2018, 02:08:20 AM
And what? I agree with you sunshine.
I understand. I wasn't suggesting otherwise.
Quote from: Shiranu on November 19, 2018, 08:06:22 PM
Even if that is true, that just makes the lace remark the icing on top of the cake, or more accurately the salt being rubbed in the wound, and still is indicative of a rape culture where women, 9 out of 10 times, will be presumed to be lying about being raped if they even have the courage to go to the police about it.
You might be interested in this:
https://www.amazon.com/Missoula-Rape-Justice-System-College/dp/0385538731
"From bestselling author Jon Krakauer, a stark, powerful, meticulously reported narrative about a series of sexual assaults at the University of Montana Ââ€" stories that illuminate the human drama behind the national plague of campus rape."
Krakauer, one of my favorite authors, has written some outstanding books on a variety of topics. Missoula describes events, public and legal responses over rapes in one community, but is claimed to be indicative of culture far beyond the town of Missoula. From reading reports from all over the country, it appears to be close to the mark. The book is even handed, as it doesn't moralize much. It reports known facts and testimonies mostly. The shocking parts to me were how large segments of the population draw knee jerk conclusions without actual information and how influential people in the community and University officials can interfere in a legal system which is often reluctant to get involved in the first place. Throw in a star quarterback with his future ahead of him, and the community develops opinions that muddy the process even more.
For some reason, I was left with the thought, "This isn't going to change."
Cheerleaders and athletes ... what could go wrong?
A few decades ago, there was a guy walking around naked in my college campus. No gay guys ever raped him.
So the idea that what a woman wears should be considered any remote justification for rape is utterly idiotic.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 24, 2018, 02:19:11 AM
A few decades ago, there was a guy walking around naked in my college campus. No gay guys ever raped him.
So the idea that what a woman wears should be considered any remote justification for rape is utterly idiotic.
Walking around in public (was he a streaker or a nudist?0) is utterly idiotic. And you aren't-a-true liberal, or using the usual required liberal bath salts, if you don't support public nudity. You are oppressing a minority group, you monster!
PS - maybe the gay guys considered rape a bad thing? Or are all gays rapists? And maybe your nudist was ugly? And no, there is no excuse for rape, including dating or marriage. Just say no to women.