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Title: MPs labeled apostates after voting for gay marriage
Post by: Valigarmander on February 18, 2013, 05:24:55 PM
http://petertatchellfoundation.org/lgbt ... et-threats (http://petertatchellfoundation.org/lgbt-rights/pro-gay-marriage-muslim-mps-get-threats)

QuoteMuslim MPs who voted for same-sex marriage have since received death threats and fatwas from Islamist extremists and clerics in the UK and Pakistan.

Five Muslim MPs voted in favour of the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill, two abstained and one voted against.

Mufti Muhammed Aslam Naqshbandi Bandhalevi, imam at the Jamia Islamia Rizvia mosque in Bradford, has issued a fatwa, or ruling, declaring one of the five pro-gay marriage Muslim MPs, Sadiq Khan, an "apostate" and that he should "repent before Allah", reports the Daily Mail. Mr Khan has received death threats since the parliamentary vote and is now under police protection.
http://bit.ly/Yonf46 (http://bit.ly/Yonf46)

Mufti Muhammad Aslam Naqshbandi of Jamia Islamia Rizvia mosque in Southfield said that Muslims MPs who supported the right of gay couples to marry had put themselves outside of Islam, according to a report by the Pakistan-based newspaper, The News International.
http://bit.ly/XR5hsV (http://bit.ly/XR5hsV)

The same paper reports that at least three Pakistani clerics have declared that the MPs were no longer Muslims and they must repent.

Several UK-based Islamist sects have denounced the MPs, including Hizb ut-Tahrir; as have posts on extremist websites such as Islamic Awakening and Izharudeen.com

Peter Tatchell, Director of the human rights organisation, the Peter Tatchell Foundation
said:

"We are delighted that most Muslim MPs voted in favour of legalising gay marriage. The ban on same-sex marriage is discrimination. Discrimination is not an Islamic value.

"The clerics who issued these fatwas are preaching hatred. Islam encourages love and marriage. Religious leaders should welcome the fact that gay couples love each other and want to get married.

"The people making the threats are a tiny extreme Islamist minority. They do not represent most Muslims in Britain.

"Increasingly, gay and Muslim people in the UK are working together to tackle the hatred, discrimination and violence that affects both our communities. We are taking a joint stand against all intolerance.

"There is a huge British gay Muslim population and openly gay Muslim organisations, such as Imaan. They believe it is possible to be both Muslim and lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT). The acceptance of gay Muslims by the wider Muslim community is growing; although there is more room for improvement," said Mr Tatchell.

Sadiq Khan MP explained on his website why he voted in favour of gay marriage:

"I firmly believe in marriage. Marriage is an important statement of love and long-term commitment, and has long been the main way that the state recognises and shows support for loving relationships. I believe that couples who love each other and want to make that long-term commitment to each other should be able to have a civil marriage regardless of their gender or their sexuality."

Muslim MPs voting record on marriage equality

Muslim MPs who supported same-sex marriage: Rushanara Ali (Labour), Sajid Javid (Conservative), Sadiq Khan (Labour), Shabana Mahmood (Labour) and Anas Sarwar (Labour).

Those who abstained were Khalid Mahmood (Labour) and Yasmin Qureshi (Labour).

The only Muslim MP who voted against was Rehman Chishti (Conservative).
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Post by: Minimalist on February 18, 2013, 06:24:40 PM
Then Mufti Muhammed Aslam Naqshbandi Bandhalevi, should be dragged out of his fucking mosque and hung by his balls from Tower Bridge.

If he doesn't like it let him take his ass back to Arabia.
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Post by: Brian37 on February 18, 2013, 07:14:45 PM
"Muslim MPs" I don't want to misunderstand that. What is "MP".
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Post by: Brian37 on February 18, 2013, 07:16:38 PM
Hey Muslims, if you don't want the west to view you as assholes, don't be assholes.
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Post by: Jason78 on February 18, 2013, 07:52:16 PM
Quote from: "Brian37""Muslim MPs" I don't want to misunderstand that. What is "MP".
A Member of Parliament in the UK is an elected representative of the people in the House of Commons.
Title: Re: MPs labeled apostates after voting for gay marriage
Post by: Agramon on February 18, 2013, 08:50:16 PM
Here's hoping they have the balls to continue to flip the bird at their stone age brethren.
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Post by: SvZurich on February 18, 2013, 08:58:41 PM
Brian, MP is roughly the same as Congressman.
Title: Re: MPs labeled apostates after voting for gay marriage
Post by: Fidel_Castronaut on February 19, 2013, 03:31:44 AM
I have to laugh.

More legislation to piss off the extremists. More i say!
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Post by: Plu on February 19, 2013, 03:39:56 AM
At least the ones who matter seem to have their brain in the 21st century. At least it shows a level of differing opinions within the muslim world as well. That's a first step.
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Post by: Atheon on February 19, 2013, 04:00:37 AM
When fundies blow their stacks, something good has been accomplished.
Title: Re: MPs labeled apostates after voting for gay marriage
Post by: pr126 on February 19, 2013, 04:29:20 AM
Islamist extremist == a devout Muslim who follows what his religion teaches and acts upon it.
Where is the crime in that?
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Post by: Savior2006 on February 19, 2013, 06:27:49 AM
Quote from: "Plu"At least the ones who matter seem to have their brain in the 21st century. At least it shows a level of differing opinions within the muslim world as well. That's a first step.

All we need is a couple more like it.
Title: Re: MPs labeled apostates after voting for gay marriage
Post by: Jason78 on February 19, 2013, 06:32:18 AM
Quote from: "pr126"Islamist extremist == a devout Muslim who follows what his religion teaches and acts upon it.
Where is the crime in that?

In exactly the same place as other religions that practice animal and human sacrifice.
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Post by: Jason78 on February 19, 2013, 06:36:09 AM
Quote from: "Plu"At least the ones who matter seem to have their brain in the 21st century. At least it shows a level of differing opinions within the muslim world as well. That's a first step.

The real issue is Khalid Mahmood, Yasmin Qureshi and Rehman Chishti.  

Those people were elected to represent the wishes of the people.  They failed to do so, but they wont be held to account.

They weren't elected to promote their religion.  They were elected to promote the interests of their constituents.
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Post by: Minimalist on February 19, 2013, 09:06:19 PM
Quote from: "Savior2006"
Quote from: "Plu"At least the ones who matter seem to have their brain in the 21st century. At least it shows a level of differing opinions within the muslim world as well. That's a first step.

All we need is a couple million more like it.

Fixed that for you.
Title: Re: MPs labeled apostates after voting for gay marriage
Post by: gussy on February 19, 2013, 10:55:19 PM
Mufti Muhammed Aslam Naqshbandi Bandhalevi is the most obnoxious name I have ever heard.  The print media should start referring to him as 'dipshit' or something else simple to save on ink.  Anyway, I hope that these MP's continue to vote for laws that infuriate this man.
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Post by: pr126 on February 20, 2013, 12:36:29 AM
Mufti Muhammed Aslam Naqshbandi Bandhalevidoes does not speak for all Muslims.

The problem is that Muslims will not tell him to shut up and mind his own business.
They cannot. The Quran solidly backs the Mufi up, and woe betide anyone goes against that.
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Post by: Jedster on February 21, 2013, 03:55:31 AM
Quote from: "Plu"At least the ones who matter seem to have their brain in the 21st century. At least it shows a level of differing opinions within the muslim world as well. That's a first step.


ditto

These MPs are surely brave.
Title: Re: MPs labeled apostates after voting for gay marriage
Post by: Fidel_Castronaut on February 21, 2013, 06:20:59 AM
I notice that Keith Vaz, Labour MP and chair of the home affairs select committee, was not one of those Muslim MPs who voted in favour.

This guy, remember, fully supported the burning of Rushdie's Satanic Verses in the 80's and demanded that the British Government outlaw its sale.

And he's in our parliament...a devout (and I would say extremist) Islamist who is informing policy on drink consumption (he doesn't drink, he's a muslim) and food production and slaughter (so Halal for everyone then!).

Sometimes I see the UK as so advanced, and equally so backwards.
Title: Re: MPs labeled apostates after voting for gay marriage
Post by: GurrenLagann on February 22, 2013, 01:14:55 PM
Supporting gay marriage getting you labeled a nonsense religious word? Surprise surprise.